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France-Pakistan relations : Imran Khan and Emmanuel Macron speak over phone

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ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan and French President Emmanuel Macron spoke over the phone on Friday, but after a drama over the scheduling of the call.

The prime minister was in a meeting with a group of journalists when President Macron first called. On being told by Foreign Secretary Tehmina Janjua about it, the prime minister asked her to get the pre-scheduled call rescheduled.

The calls between the heads of states and governments are usually scheduled well in advance. It seldom happens that the staff of a head of government or state get an unexpected call from another leader, requesting a conversation. The request for conversation is initiated by the embassy of the country whose leader wishes to speak, while explaining the proposed agenda and reasons for the call. If the receiving leader agrees then the two sides work it into their busy schedules, according to diplomatic protocols for high-level conversations.

Shah Mehmood Qureshi speaks to his Dutch counterpart, stresses need to work together against Islamophobia

According to a diplomatic source, the call was pre-scheduled. Foreign Office spokesman Dr Muhammad Faisal did not respond when he was asked by Dawn about the veracity of the claim.

Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi later told a journalist that “we had sought time adjustment because the prime minister was in a meeting”.

The two leaders later spoke, according to a source. Details of the conversation were not shared with the media.

Dutch foreign minister
Pakistan and the Netherlands, meanwhile, agreed to continue to work together against Islamophobia and activities that promote religious hatred.

The agreement was reached during a telephonic conversation between Foreign Minister Qureshi and his Dutch counterpart Stef Blok.

“Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi noted that the timely efforts made by the two governments helped in achieving the desired result. He stressed on the need to work together to raise awareness and limiting the disturbing trend of Islamophobia, incitement to racial and religious hatred, and building bridges among civilisations,” the FO said.

Earlier, anti-Islam Dutch legislator Geert Wilders, who was organising a sketch contest hurtful to Muslims, cancelled the event amid mass protests in Pakistan.

Foreign Minister Qureshi had also lodged strong protest with Mr Blok a few days back, urging him to disallow the planned activity on the premises of Dutch parliament. PM Khan also issued a video statement condemning the planned contest.

Lawmaker Wilders said he had cancelled the contest out of security concerns.

The FO said that Mr Blok, while talking to Mr Qureshi, reiterated his government’s position of disassociation with Wilder’s activities and assured of continued cooperation.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1430285/macron-imran-exchange-views-on-phone
 
People in Pakistan are doing bhangra on social media that Imran had to make Macron wait for 30 mins on the phone before talking to him.

They are celebrating because it shows that our PM is an alpha male and we needed a ruler who can display such bravado.

This is the mentality of our people. Imagine.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] the ones that are going over the top i agree... however, it is a big deal, NS used to lay down in front of other leaders with his "purchi's" and "kashkol"... its not like IK dissed him or was rude, they just requested a rescheduling instead of dropping whatever they were in middle of...
 
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] the ones that are going over the top i agree... however, it is a big deal, NS used to lay down in front of other leaders with his "purchi's" and "kashkol"... its not like IK dissed him or was rude, they just requested a rescheduling instead of dropping whatever they were in middle of...

Hollow arrogance and bravado does not take anyone anywhere. Pakistan is a third world country with massive problems and it cannot survive without the aid of first world countries as well as institutions. Wait till Imran Khan goes to IMF with a kashkol.

People are in denial if they think that Pakistan will stop becoming a pushover now that the Great Khan is in charge. No matter who is in charge, Pakistan has no option but to be subservient to some countries to a good degree. We cannot afford to diplomatic isolation.

Also, a head of state does not call another head of state simply by picking up a phone. It is a channelized process involving communication between the FOs of both countries and the time of the call is pre-scheduled.

If the French President was made to wait, we should be blaming the negligence of our FO, and should be looked into. It is not something that should happen again because it is against diplomatic courtesy. It doesn’t matter if it was the French President or some third world leader.

If Imran calls the French President, he will not be made to wait either. It doesn’t happen anywhere.

However, people in Pakistan are celebrating as if it is the biggest blow to the French government since the French Revolution in 1789.

What a fool Macron is, he doesn’t know who he called. It appears that he is not aware of the norms of the newly established Medinah state.
 
I grudgingly agree with Mamnoon here the FO should be doing a better job.EU is one of our biggest trade partner and unlike US thei support is not linked to do more crap we should be careful that our relations with Major EU states like France remain cordial.
 
Agree on how the calls are channelised; however, for your kind info, this is a non issue. It shows no disrespect to the French leader, and none was taken, and yup no one took notice of the odd guy doing bhangra in the streets. It does however show us, our new PM isnt going to be run over by others, us being 3rd wrld or not. You have to start demanding respect at some point...
 
Agree on how the calls are channelised; however, for your kind info, this is a non issue. It shows no disrespect to the French leader, and none was taken, and yup no one took notice of the odd guy doing bhangra in the streets. It does however show us, our new PM isnt going to be run over by others, us being 3rd wrld or not. You have to start demanding respect at some point...

No it doesn't. It is purely a case of mismanagement and it should not happen again. The fact that we are perceiving this as a show of bravado shows exactly what is wrong with us as a nation.
 
No it doesn't. It is purely a case of mismanagement and it should not happen again. The fact that we are perceiving this as a show of bravado shows exactly what is wrong with us as a nation.

Bravado? Or simple respect. You schedule calls beforehand. Bravado would've been telling the Journalists to hold on.

And iirc, it was Hamid Mir who phrased it in that particular way. Didn't know you were such a fan of censoring the media.

And lastly... was that you playing the Alpha-Beta game again in your first post?
 
If people think that Pakistan is just another 3rd world coutry, they are seriously mistaken. Yes it has been ruined by corrupt civilian and army personals but the potential of a lucrative market for investment is still there. Just because a troll has given his negative views again, it does not mean that Pak has no significance in this world.

As far as the issue is concerned, we do not know the reality and whether these incidents do happen all over the world. It is good to see though that Imran did not bend over backwards to end the meeting and I am sure rescheduling was done amicably. Those who are fanning the issue always need something to sell which is a common phenomenon all over the world.
 
Bravado? Or simple respect. You schedule calls beforehand. Bravado would've been telling the Journalists to hold on.

And iirc, it was Hamid Mir who phrased it in that particular way. Didn't know you were such a fan of censoring the media.

And lastly... was that you playing the Alpha-Beta game again in your first post?

This happened because of miscommunication and negligence. It could have been because of the French FO or Pakistan FO, but instead of calling it a sign of defiance and an example of how Imran won’t be a pushover, we should hope that this will be looked into so that it does not happen again.

I don’t blame Imran for this. I am only pointing out the warped mentality of our people who think there is nothing wrong with what happened.
 
This happened because of miscommunication and negligence. It could have been because of the French FO or Pakistan FO, but instead of calling it a sign of defiance and an example of how Imran won’t be a pushover, we should hope that this will be looked into so that it does not happen again.

I don’t blame Imran for this. I am only pointing out the warped mentality of our people who think there is nothing wrong with what happened.

Did the PTI press office put this out or did Hamid Mir & other press?

It seems you're particularly upset that Pakistani's are enjoying having a PM who won't dance to the beat of a foreign drum. Get used to it. You voted for him.
 
Did the PTI press office put this out or did Hamid Mir & other press?

It seems you're particularly upset that Pakistani's are enjoying having a PM who won't dance to the beat of a foreign drum. Get used to it. You voted for him.

I have no issues with the PTI as far as this fiasco is concerned, and I don’t care about Hamid Mir.

My problem is the way people have reacted to this news. It is not something to be proud of and it should not happen again. The fact that people are hailing this as a sign of how Imran won’t be a pushover etc. sums up the mentality of our people. They are actually celebrating this.

And no, I am not prepared for lack of courtesy. This is not the way any president should be treated.
 
any person who thinks IK made the French PM wait for 30 mins is a fool. And that includes our so called senior journalists.

PMs dont just get up in the morning and dial another country's pm.

The Embassey of France will first requests the staff of the Pakistani PM that the French PM will like to place a call, so what is the suitable time. And after a time is set, then a call is made.
 
I have no issues with the PTI as far as this fiasco is concerned, and I don’t care about Hamid Mir.

My problem is the way people have reacted to this news. It is not something to be proud of and it should not happen again. The fact that people are hailing this as a sign of how Imran won’t be a pushover etc. sums up the mentality of our people. They are actually celebrating this.

And no, I am not prepared for lack of courtesy. This is not the way any president should be treated.

You're upset Pakistani's are glad their PM asked a leader of an economically more powerful country to follow proper protocol?

Can you blame them? We've had an idiot who couldn't speak without cue cards followed by a daisy who allowed himself to be stripped in public by US airport staff.
 
The biggest virtue is ghairat, and under Imran Khan, the self respect of the nation is not for compromise. Just by occupying the PM chair, he has increased the global stature of country not seen since the days of Ayub Khan.
 
Two kind of people here,

The one who understand how the diplomatic and government calls work.

Then there are those who would call out Pakistan PM for no self-respect and if they practice self-respect which is appreciated by the general population then they resort to disrespecting the general population. Because, it is a habit.

This issue isn't about making to wait to talk or self-respect, person like IK is respected, it rather shows where the priority lies for the PM of Pakistan at given time.
 
It should be normal in international relations. Our previous PM's were approachable within minutes. After a long time our PM is showing self respect and guts for a change. If other PM's don't attend calls without appointments then neither should ours.
 
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