Gen Asim Munir takes over as Pakistan's 17th COAS

[Bewal Express]

Munir has been given clear demands by the Americans under Trump after the meeting in Saudi earlier this week. They include

- Recognise Israel irrespective of what they have done to our Palestinian brothers
- Forget about Kashmir and accept Ind leadership.
- back any attack on Iran that seems to be only a matter of time.


If these conditions are met you can do whatever you want in PK. The 1st one will pass easily because the Mullahs are total hypocrites and will get sweetners. Off course they will do some PR stunts but as we know they are all part of the same mafia, the 2nd one has been on going for the last 3 years with Ind agents killing inside PK and not a word from anyone in our govt. The last one is the unknown variable because it has the potential to cause chaos in PK as the Shia PKs make up big portions of the population in Sindh and South Punjab. It goes without saying that Munir will do these to stay in Power. They have him by the short and curlies because of his crimes.and PK will be sacrificed to keep him in power.

 

[Bewal Express]

Reports some resolution/bill being presented in US senate regarding #1. Let's see what is cooking

Just part of the attempt to get Munir accept all the conditions I have outlined above.

 

[Bewal Express]

Munir has been given clear demands by the Americans under Trump after the meeting in Saudi earlier this week. They include

- Recognise Israel irrespective of what they have done to our Palestinian brothers
- Forget about Kashmir and accept Ind leadership.
- back any attack on Iran that seems to be only a matter of time.


If these conditions are met you can do whatever you want in PK. The 1st one will pass easily because the Mullahs are total hypocrites and will get sweetners. Off course they will do some PR stunts but as we know they are all part of the same mafia, the 2nd one has been on going for the last 3 years with Ind agents killing inside PK and not a word from anyone in our govt. The last one is the unknown variable because it has the potential to cause chaos in PK as the Shia PKs make up big portions of the population in Sindh and South Punjab. It goes without saying that Munir will do these to stay in Power. They have him by the short and curlies because of his crimes.and PK will be sacrificed to keep him in power.

@topspin
So the Americans have laid to their terms to keep Munir in power. Are you going to blame IK,Jemima or Zach Goldsmith?

 

[psyoptica]

@Bewal Express Asim Munir is apparently under a lot of pressure as he’s been given an ultimatum by his colleagues to step down and if he doesn’t then be will be removed by force. Any information on this?

 

[psyoptica]

I found this article. I hope this dictator general is brought to justice soon

Pakistan's army chief faces ultimatum: Resign or risk military coup - CNBC TV18

Pakistan is currently facing an economic downturn, widespread frustration with the military, and growing unrest in regions such as Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. The Army has long been a dominant force in the country, but this internal revolt suggests its authority is weakening.

www.cnbctv18.com

 

[Bewal Express]

@Bewal Express Asim Munir is apparently under a lot of pressure as he’s been given an ultimatum by his colleagues to step down and if he doesn’t then be will be removed by force. Any information on this?

It's just another diversion tactic. I don't buy any of it. They run these stories every week to keep the population hoping that something better is around the corner. Look at the daily stories of the govt is on the edge etc but it's all rubbish. All the Generals are knee deep in poo and if he falls, they all fall including the dynasties, the Judges, the Bureaucrats and the media houses.

 

[topspin]

@topspin
So the Americans have laid to their terms to keep Munir in power.

If you can show me evidence of this bro, I will change my mind.

You have to remember there can be no comprise when it comes to Pakistan’s national security interests. We cannot have terrorist sympathisers leading our country.

Are you going to blame IK,Jemima or Zach Goldsmith?

I certainly blame Goldsmiths.I wish IK never married one of them. They are powerful family, who are hardcore Zionists. They are our enemy.

 

[Bewal Express]

If you can show me evidence of this bro, I will change my mind.

You have to remember there can be no comprise when it comes to Pakistan’s national security interests. We cannot have terrorist sympathisers leading our country.



I certainly blame Goldsmiths.I wish IK never married one of them. They are powerful family, who are hardcore Zionists. They are our enemy.

We know that Americans have their Foreign Policy totally controlled by Israel. Just a Plain fact. The visit of the delegation from the Junta was part of the begging process to save Munir. The Israelis have asked for the recognition in return. Hamid Mir has been on record saying that IK was asked by Bajwa and Saudi to recognise Israel, he refused and hence the reason MBS along with Biden( for a different reason) had him locked up as part of the coup led by Bajwa
The Iran thing is obvious- the Israelis need Iran knocked out and Trumps Foreign policy on Israel is controlled Sheldon Adelmans widow. She is even more right wing than Netanyahu. Either Iran backs down or it will be attacked. They need PKs backing because of its large shared border.
The Ind thing is already a fact. The Inds have already killed inside PK. You can read the Guardian story on this.

Let's wait and see. IA you remain healthy and so do. Time will tell if the predictions are right or wrong. Munir and the mafia will happily sacrifice PK to stay in power.

 

[topspin]

We know that Americans have their Foreign Policy totally controlled by Israel. Just a Plain fact.

Agreed.

The visit of the delegation from the Junta was part of the begging process to save Munir. The Israelis have asked for the recognition in return. Hamid Mir has been on record saying that IK was asked by Bajwa and Saudi to recognise Israel, he refused and hence the reason MBS along with Biden( for a different reason) had him locked up as part of the coup led by Bajwa
The Iran thing is obvious- the Israelis need Iran knocked out and Trumps Foreign policy on Israel is controlled Sheldon Adelmans widow. She is even more right wing than Netanyahu. Either Iran backs down or it will be attacked. They need PKs backing because of its large shared border.
The Ind thing is already a fact. The Inds have already killed inside PK. You can read the Guardian story on this.

You see I thought IK's visit to Russia, shortly after invading Ukraine, was the precursor to all this. What you have to remember is you can't making moves like this without getting approval of the establishment.

The establishment didn't approve of this visit because it threatens Pakistan's national security.

IK didn't want to comprise with the establishment and then accused US of plotting against him. But the truth is there's absolutely no evidence that this was the case.

This is why I say all people in Pakistan must unite against the army and the rest of the establishment. Pakistan will never be able to progress with them in power.

Let's wait and see. IA you remain healthy and so do. Time will tell if the predictions are right or wrong. Munir and the mafia will happily sacrifice PK to stay in power.

If we can remove the establishment then IA Pakistan will flourish with or without PTI, I can promise you that much.

 

[Bewal Express]

Agreed.



You see I thought IK's visit to Russia, shortly after invading Ukraine, was the precursor to all this. What you have to remember is you can't making moves like this without getting approval of the establishment.

The establishment didn't approve of this visit because it threatens Pakistan's national security.

IK didn't want to comprise with the establishment and then accused US of plotting against him. But the truth is there's absolutely no evidence that this was the case.

This is why I say all people in Pakistan must unite against the army and the rest of the establishment. Pakistan will never be able to progress with them in power.


If we can remove the establishment then IA Pakistan will flourish with or without PTI, I can promise you that much.

He did the right thing but Bajwa betrayed him. PK like Ind would have got cheap oil and we had an opportunity to develop our economy with low inflation. The mafia are interested in stealing and power and they haven't suffered the disaster of high inflation and non existent growth.
The establishment is never going to go and give up their Qabza. This is where I disagree with IK assertion of my army. I see them as continuation of the Raj and never treat PKs with any respect. As you may know I was very pro army because of many of my family served in PK army. But their actions have been horrific and i for one cannot forget or forgive.

 

[topspin]

He did the right thing but Bajwa betrayed him. PK like Ind would have got cheap oil and we had an opportunity to develop our economy with low inflation.

This does not justify visiting Russia after their invasion of the Ukraine. If he wanted to do this, they could have met outside Russia or kept it very low key, if this was all about getting cheap oil and investment.

The mafia are interested in stealing and power and they haven't suffered the disaster of high inflation and non existent growth.
The establishment is never going to go and give up their Qabza. This is where I disagree with IK assertion of my army. I see them as continuation of the Raj and never treat PKs with any respect. As you may know I was very pro army because of many of my family served in PK army. But their actions have been horrific and i for one cannot forget or forgive.

My paternal grandfather was also in the army.

But the army has been the culprit ever since Muhammad Ali Jannah. If you don't know, look up what they did to his wife.

 

[Bewal Express]

This does not justify visiting Russia after their invasion of the Ukraine. If he wanted to do this, they could have met outside Russia or kept it very low key, if this was all about getting cheap oil and investment.



My paternal grandfather was also in the army.

But the army has been the culprit ever since Muhammad Ali Jannah. If you don't know, look up what they did to his wife.

He went before the invasion. The invasion started afrer he went, not before. I am sure IK would not gone if the invasion had already happened.
My family history made me blinkered to the brown Sahibs and their intentions. A patriotic army doesn't treat its own like crap.

 

[JaDed]

The Establishment droned their own shepherds and madr KP government apologise, remarkable silence!

 

[Farhan The Man]

An army that owns a country.

First of its kind.

An islamic army to boot. Exceptional.

 

[Devadwal]

Over 5m Pakistani citizens are Hindu, 100s serve in the army he commands, 1000s in the govt. How is it appropriate or lawful for the head of a supposedly professional military to be publicly raging about irreconciliable differences b/w Hindus & Muslims like a TLP rabble rouser?

 

[Devadwal]

@Rajdeep @Bhaijaan @Hitman @JaDed
Have You all listened to Asim Munir's openly Hinduphobic speech?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912725818868134072

Tahir Gora is basically Tarek Fatah from Temu even though Tarek Fatah himself wasn't really authentic either.

 

[Devadwal]

I did yesterday. Not even worth my time. And they talk about the treatment of Muslims in India.

This is eye opener for people's in india especially the Aman ki Asha Brigade have this dichotomy of thought that peace with Pakistan is achievable

 

[psyoptica]

@Rajdeep @Bhaijaan @Hitman @JaDed
Have You all listened to Asim Munir's openly Hinduphobic speech?

Lol people like you are why propaganda is so effective. It’s no surprise Pak army is as strong as it is projecting India as a threat same as Modi who’s staying relevant in Indian politics using Pakistan as the boogeyman.

 

[Bhaijaan]

@Rajdeep @Bhaijaan @Hitman @JaDed
Have You all listened to Asim Munir's openly Hinduphobic speech?

Brother,

What i saw is the head of an institute making a desperate speech at a time when the house is falling.

Pakistanis of 2025 are more open hearted and open minded than ever before and don’t hate Sanatan. Example is this forum itself where our brothers always talk about Sanatan with utmost respect even if they happen to disagree which is their right just like it is for us being critical of other faith while being respectful.

Don’t take things to heart yar.
These are politicians.

 

[Bewal Express]

Days after the loser said hard state meant a state based on a law and the constitution, the IHC and SC decision on allowing IK to meet was totally ignored. The lying chief and his hell CV

 

[emranabbas]

I understand that some Hindus have taken offense, but could someone please clarify why they believe Hindus and Muslims are the same in terms of religion, customs, traditions, or even mindset and ambitions?

In the video posted, Asim Munir said that we are different and its created an uproar, Perhaps I missed something,

 

[Bewal Express]

I understand that some Hindus have taken offense, but could someone please clarify why they believe Hindus and Muslims are the same in terms of religion, customs, traditions, or even mindset and ambitions?

In the video posted, Asim Munir said that we are different and its created an uproar, Perhaps I missed something,

Topi drama. He has allowed Ind agents to kill PKs on PK soil and not a murmur. Just a mealy mouthed response to something as serious as this.

India appears to confirm extrajudicial killings in Pakistan

Defence minister’s comments after Guardian report are first time India has acknowledged any assassinations on foreign soil

www.theguardian.com

 

[JaDed]

I understand that some Hindus have taken offense, but could someone please clarify why they believe Hindus and Muslims are the same in terms of religion, customs, traditions, or even mindset and ambitions?

In the video posted, Asim Munir said that we are different and its created an uproar, Perhaps I missed something,

Probably because he is alienating the Hindus of Pakistan.

Irrespective nothing wrong with what he said as he was referring to the Two nation theory, and he wants to make sure first gen, third gen don’t stop sending remittances so plz pass down the story.

 

[emranabbas]

Topi drama. He has allowed Ind agents to kill PKs on PK soil and not a murmur. Just a mealy mouthed response to something as serious as this.

India appears to confirm extrajudicial killings in Pakistan

Defence minister’s comments after Guardian report are first time India has acknowledged any assassinations on foreign soil

www.theguardian.com

Who has?

 

[Bewal Express]

Who has?

Munir, PK army and ISI.

 

[emranabbas]

Munir, PK army and ISI.

Stop doing this 2+2=5
unless you can provide any clear cut evidence untill then

 

[Bewal Express]

Stop doing this 2+2=5
unless you can provide any clear cut evidence untill then

Are you saying that the Guardian is wrong? If they are wrong then who is killing these people and if they are right then why has our govt allowed this?

 

[emranabbas]

Are you saying that the Guardian is wrong? If they are wrong then who is killing these people and if they are right then why has our govt allowed this?

Where in the article does it say the army has killed their own people?

 

[Bhaijaan]

His hard state speech was legendary.

But nothing ever gonna beat the school kids pledge video.

I wanna become a fighter jet and destroy endia

 

[Bewal Express]

Where in the article does it say the army has killed their own people?

Just like before you have problem with comprehension. The PK army ain't killed these people, they have turned a blind eye to the murder on PK soil of over 20 people by Ind agents. One of the conditions of the coup was that we allow Inds total control of the Sub Continent so that they can challenge China

 

[emranabbas]

Just like before you have problem with comprehension. The PK army ain't killed these people, they have turned a blind eye to the murder on PK soil of over 20 people by Ind agents. One of the conditions of the coup was that we allow Inds total control of the Sub Continent so that they can challenge China

Don't try to divert the discussion can you please copy and paste the section where your claiming that the guardian published "the pakistani army killed its own people"

@The Bald Eagle

 

[Bewal Express]

Don't try to divert the discussion can you please copy and paste the section where your claiming that the guardian published "the pakistani army killed its own people"

@The Bald Eagle

This discussion is about Munir. Munir is the chief and PK has had extra Judicial killings by Indian agents. That was what they Guardian story was about. The Topi drama from the crook is pretending to be anti Indian and at the same time allowing Ind to murder on PK soil. I know you ain't the smartest guy or the most moral( as we saw with your deliberate misinformation( being kind here) but the Guardian story is relevant.

 

[emranabbas]

Just like before you have problem with comprehension. The PK army ain't killed these people, they have turned a blind eye to the murder on PK soil of over 20 people by Ind agents. One of the conditions of the coup was that we allow Inds total control of the Sub Continent so that they can challenge China

The issue is with your lack of comprehension. You’re so desperate to bash the government and the army that you keep sharing YouTube links and articles that don’t even support your claims you make.

You twist things out of context just to push your narrative, and you’ve done this multiple times which is exactly why I don’t take you seriously.

If the public were to remove the army from the borders, would you or your family be willing to move to Pakistan permanently and take on the job of defending its borders especially since you come from an army background?

 

[emranabbas]

This discussion is about Munir. Munir is the chief and PK has had extra Judicial killings by Indian agents. That was what they Guardian story was about. The Topi drama from the crook is pretending to be anti Indian and at the same time allowing Ind to murder on PK soil. I know you ain't the smartest guy or the most moral( as we saw with your deliberate misinformation( being kind here) but the Guardian story is relevant.

Bro I'm still waiting for the section where the guardian posted that asim munir killed its own people

@The Bald Eagle

 

[Bewal Express]

The issue is with your lack of comprehension. You’re so desperate to bash the government and the army that you keep sharing YouTube links and articles that don’t even support your claims you make.

You twist things out of context just to push your narrative, and you’ve done this multiple times which is exactly why I don’t take you seriously.

If the public were to remove the army from the borders, would you or your family be willing to move to Pakistan permanently and take on the job of defending its borders especially since you come from an army background?

Which bit isn't true

So are you saying that PK( army because its millitary rule with puppets) isn't allowing Inds to kill PKs on PK soil. If they aren't, can you.explain how they manged to kill 20+ people? BTW one of the people killed was a guy that helped to catch Yadav.

 

[Bewal Express]

Bro I'm still waiting for the section where the guardian posted that asim munir killed its own people

@The Bald Eagle

Can you tell me where i said that? Can you quote the exact phrase because we know you like to make things up. Where did I say that.

 

[emranabbas]

Which bit isn't true

So are you saying that PK( army because its millitary rule with puppets) isn't allowing Inds to kill PKs on PK soil. If they aren't, can you.explain how they manged to kill 20+ people? BTW one of the people killed was a guy that helped to catch Yadav.

Stick to discussion stop blabbering on

First show me where in the article does guardian say the pakistani army killed its people?

 

[emranabbas]

Which bit isn't true

So are you saying that PK( army because its millitary rule with puppets) isn't allowing Inds to kill PKs on PK soil. If they aren't, can you.explain how they manged to kill 20+ people? BTW one of the people killed was a guy that helped to catch Yadav.

Stick to discussion stop blabbering on

First show where in the article does guardian say the pakistani army killed its people?

 

[emranabbas]

Can you tell me where i said that? Can you quote the exact phrase because we know you like to make things up. Where did I say that.

Don't play that game today yesterday the mods gave you benefit of doubt and got away with it

 

[Bewal Express]

Don't play that game today yesterday the mods gave you benefit of doubt and got away with it

View attachment 153568

The Mods saved backside from your blatant lie and very dangerous one at that. The Mods had one look and realised what I knew said.
On

Stick to discussion stop blabbering on

First show where in the article does guardian say the pakistani army killed its people?

You idiot i didn't say that and nor does the Guardian. So another blatant lie caught. Quote the exact line

 

[Bewal Express]

The Mods saved backside from your blatant lie and very dangerous one at that. The Mods had one look and realised what I knew said.
On

You idiot i didn't say that and nor does the Guardian. So another blatant lie caught. Quote the exact line

I said they have turned a blind eye to the murder of PKs by Inds in PK. The Guardian artiicle was about the fact that it happened on PK soil and PK authorities have kept it quiet.You need to actually go back to school.

 

[emranabbas]

The Mods saved backside from your blatant lie and very dangerous one at that. The Mods had one look and realised what I knew said.
On

You idiot i didn't say that and nor does the Guardian. So another blatant lie caught. Quote the exact line

So dumbass why are you replying to my post number #422 saying the army allowed India to kill pakistanis?

 

[Bewal Express]

Topi drama. He has allowed Ind agents to kill PKs on PK soil and not a murmur. Just a mealy mouthed response to something as serious as this.

India appears to confirm extrajudicial killings in Pakistan

Defence minister’s comments after Guardian report are first time India has acknowledged any assassinations on foreign soil

www.theguardian.com

This was the original post. And you asked who has and I said Munir and Co.

 

[emranabbas]

I said they have turned a blind eye to the murder of PKs by Inds in PK. The Guardian artiicle was about the fact that it happened on PK soil and PK authorities have kept it quiet.You need to actually go back to school.

Yes they are referring to 2019 when india claimed to do surgical strikes

Who was the PM in 2019 and who was sitting in the army lap in 2019

 

[emranabbas]

This was the original post. And you asked who has and I said Munir and Co.

Munir wasn't even running things in 2019 so why you blaming him? This is why I said bring evidence

 

[Bewal Express]

So dumbass why are you replying to my post number #422 saying the army allowed India to kill pakistanis?

Look at the timeline. It's still on here. You got away with lie because the Mods deleted the conversation( or you thought) but thankfully they had the archive and it showed u up as liar, which btw I had taken a screen shot off anyway because of aap ki kasam.

 

[Bewal Express]

Munir wasn't even running things in 2019 so why you blaming him? This is why I said bring evidence

They started under Bajwa and increased recently until the Guardian expose. You are too naive to understand why they have allowed these to happen

 

[emranabbas]

They started under Bajwa and increased recently until the Guardian expose. You are too naive to understand why they have allowed these to happen

I think you have become an Indian agent just so you can bash the army.

There is a whole load of thread on this topic where indians claimed to kill terrorists in Pakistan and it turned out to be bunch of trees

 

[Bewal Express]

I think you have become an Indian agent just so you can bash the army.

There is a whole load of thread on this topic where indians claimed to kill terrorists in Pakistan and it turned out to be bunch of trees

You can believe what you want.
I hate this crooked Junta with all my might. They have sold PK to criminals, Inds and Americans. They have killed innocent PKs on the 26th Nov and made bodies disappear and blackmailed families into signing affidavits to get their body released.

 

[emranabbas]

You can believe what you want.
I hate this crooked Junta with all my might. They have sold PK to criminals, Inds and Americans. They have killed innocent PKs on the 26th Nov and made bodies disappear and blackmailed families into signing affidavits to get their body released.

The army and the government are doing a good job at cracking down on terrorists

 

[Bewal Express]

The army and the government are doing a good job at cracking down on terrorists

Really? How many soldiers have been killed this year. And they are in cahoots with dacoits

 

[Bewal Express]

@emranabbas
Who is doing this and why hasnt Munir showed a bit of backbone. Is Munir and the Junta only good at fighting unarmed citizens fighting for their constitutional rights. Look up at who he was?

Weiterleitungshinweis

 

[Bewal Express]

Munir is now cahoots with Dacoits. NS had always desired to turn PK into the Punjab Police and needed some duffer without any morals or backbone. It took NS 25 years but he succeeded into a slightly better trained and armed version of Punjab Police

 

[Major]

One of the best COAS we ever had, and Pakistan is more protected under him than anyone else.

 

[Farhan The Man]

One of the best COAS we ever had, and Pakistan is more protected under him than anyone else.

Actually I am beginning to take a strong liking to him.

Never been a fan of pak army.

But this dude is like trump. He walks/talks the beast in him. He's the devil that I at least know.

 

[Major]

Actually I am beginning to take a strong liking to him.

Never been a fan of pak army.

But this dude is like trump. He walks/talks the beast in him. He's the devil that I at least know.

The BLA attack on the army was a direct attack and it was never gonna be tolerated.

I have respect for this guy for standing up for the nation and not shying away.

The speech he gabe recently was a good one and timing was perfect.

 

[Lonewarrior]

One of the best COAS we ever had, and Pakistan is more protected under him than anyone else.

how ? can you explain a little ?

 

[Major]

how ? can you explain a little ?

He gave a very good response after the Indian sponsored Balochistan attack

 

[Bhaijaan]

He gave a very good response after the Indian sponsored Balochistan attack

And what was the response?

Are you taking responsibility for the Pahalgam terrorist incident on behalf of Pakistan army?

 

[Major]

And what was the response?

Are you taking responsibility for the Pahalgam terrorist incident on behalf of Pakistan army?

Where i said that?

 

[LordJames]

Who is Lt Gen Asim Munir, PM Shehbaz’s pick for army chief?

After days of speculation, anticipation and apprehension that the appointment to the military’s top office could face delays, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif has picked Lieutenant General Asim Munir to succeed outgoing army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa.

The selection, which caps weeks of speculation, is now pending the president’s approval.

Lt Gen Munir is an outstanding officer, but because of the technicalities involved, it was earlier believed he may remain the proverbial dark horse in the race for the army chief’s position.

He was promoted to the rank of a two-star general in September 2018, but he took charge two months later. As such, his four-year tenure as Lt Gen ends on November 27, around the same time when incumbent Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Gen Nadeem Raza and Chief of Army Staff Gen Bajwa will be doffing their army uniform.

Lt Gen Munir entered the service via the Officers Training School programme in Mangla, and was commissioned into the Frontier Force Regiment.

He has been a close aide of Gen Bajwa ever since he commanded troops in the Force Command Northern Areas as a brigadier under the outgoing army chief, who was then Commander X Corps.

Lt Gen Munir was later appointed Military Intelligence director general in early 2017, and in October next year was made the Inter-Services Intelligence chief.

However, his stint as the top intelligence officer turned out to be the shortest ever, as he was replaced by Lt Gen Faiz Hamid within eight months, on the insistence of then-PM Imran Khan.

He was posted as Gujranwala Corps commander, a position he held for two years, before being moved to the General Headquarters as the quartermaster general.

DAWN

I may have said this in another post so apologize for repeating it.

Spoke to two retired Pak Army officers 2 weeks ago about the young Asim Munir when he came into his unit and all the way to Captain and this guy was below average, unassuming, timid and so he remains until today, below average solider and Pakistan has a long line of mediocre "ass-kissers" becoming COAS such as whose service records can be verified:

1. Ayub Khan
2. Tikka Khan
3. Yahya Khan
4. Ziaul-Haq
5. Qamar Javed Bajwa
6. Asim Munir

We may disagree with Musharraf (his views and ideas) but he was a professional solider and so was Kiani (en elite soldier) who was always destined to lead. General Kakar, soldier's soldier

Asim Munir is a "girl in skirt" who isn't even good looking as they term it in Pakistan Army.

Some of these like Ayub Khan were actually cited for "cowardice" during WWII and still became CIC of a country, unbelievable

 

[JaDed]

He gave a very good response after the Indian sponsored Balochistan attack

Are you talking about his speech? Yes easily the best.

 

[Rajdeep]

Are you talking about his speech? Yes easily the best.

He is talking about the Pahalgam terrorist attack as the response.

 

[JaDed]

He is talking about the Pahalgam terrorist attack as the response.

Ji Janab

 

[Major]

He is talking about the Pahalgam terrorist attack as the response.

where i said that?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I am not a fan of his speech. There is no need to say things like Muslims and Hindus are different etc. It was the reason for partition but there are many Hindu Pakistanis, perhaps even in the army. What is the need to make these comments?

Army Chief seems more vocal on history and domestic politics than actual defence.

 

[Rajdeep]

where i said that?

You are talking with Rajdeep, remember? I can smell what you cooking from 10 km away

 

[Major]

You are talking with Rajdeep, remember? I can smell what you cooking from 10 km away

Maybe teach these doggy sense to your army. Clearly they couldn't even smell anything within 50 km of their protected area.

 

[HalBass9]

I may have said this in another post so apologize for repeating it.

Spoke to two retired Pak Army officers 2 weeks ago about the young Asim Munir when he came into his unit and all the way to Captain and this guy was below average, unassuming, timid and so he remains until today, below average solider and Pakistan has a long line of mediocre "ass-kissers" becoming COAS such as whose service records can be verified:

1. Ayub Khan
2. Tikka Khan
3. Yahya Khan
4. Ziaul-Haq
5. Qamar Javed Bajwa
6. Asim Munir

We may disagree with Musharraf (his views and ideas) but he was a professional solider and so was Kiani (en elite soldier) who was always destined to lead. General Kakar, soldier's soldier

Asim Munir is a "girl in skirt" who isn't even good looking as they term it in Pakistan Army.

Some of these like Ayub Khan were actually cited for "cowardice" during WWII and still became CIC of a country, unbelievable

General Abdul Waheed Kakar truly embodied what it means to be a soldier’s soldier, respected and principled.

 

[RexRex]

We may disagree with Musharraf (his views and ideas) but he was a professional solider and so was Kiani (en elite soldier) who was always destined to lead. General Kakar, soldier's soldier

What a bizarre thing to say. Aren't professional soldiers supposed to take their orders from the civilian commander-in-chief ?

Maybe somebody should educate LordJames about what happened in the 1999 military coup & Kargil.

 

[LordJames]

What a bizarre thing to say. Aren't professional soldiers supposed to take their orders from the civilian commander-in-chief ?

Maybe somebody should educate LordJames about what happened in the 1999 military coup & Kargil.

My message starts with We may disagree with Musharraf (his views and ideas), did you miss this?

I am merely commenting on him being a professional soldier (as in the Army and his career from being 2nd Lieutenant on wards) which Ayub Khan, Ziaul-Haq, Yahya, Bajwa and Asim Munir are clearly not!

Kargil and Martial Law are clearly his ideological errors and mistakes and no comments needed.

His Alcholhism is also well known

 

[RexRex]

My message starts with We may disagree with Musharraf (his views and ideas), did you miss this?

I am merely commenting on him being a professional soldier (as in the Army and his career from being 2nd Lieutenant on wards) which Ayub Khan, Ziaul-Haq, Yahya, Bajwa and Asim Munir are clearly not!

Kargil and Martial Law are clearly his ideological errors and mistakes and no comments needed.

His Alcholhism is also well known

'Disagree' is such a casual word. Normal human beings would call him a total disgrace to the country and to the uniform for all that he has done and the lives he has ruined, yet here you are approvingly calling him a professional. So weird.

Just a few weeks ago, @Major was telling everyone how the Pak army is just misunderstood by everybody and really has noble intentions.

The khaki brainwashing on the people of Pakistan is unreal.

 

[LordJames]

'Disagree' is such a casual word. Normal human beings would call him a total disgrace to the country and to the uniform for all that he has done and the lives he has ruined, yet here you are approvingly calling him a professional. So weird.

Just a few weeks ago, @Major was telling everyone how the Pak army is just misunderstood by everybody and really has noble intentions.

The khaki brainwashing on the people of Pakistan is unreal.

I have an entire thread on the issues of Pakistan Army so I hope that you don't think that I have khaki brainwashing.

"A professional Solider" but you have the right to disagree even though you don't understand what is being said, appreciate the feedback.

"A professional Solider" with ideological problems means that everything else in his life like drinking, Kargil (overriding command decision), Martial Law (usurping of power) are problems

Thanks

 

[Farhan The Man]

'Disagree' is such a casual word. Normal human beings would call him a total disgrace to the country and to the uniform for all that he has done and the lives he has ruined, yet here you are approvingly calling him a professional. So weird.

Just a few weeks ago, @Major was telling everyone how the Pak army is just misunderstood by everybody and really has noble intentions.

The khaki brainwashing on the people of Pakistan is unreal.

Let's put it this way.

kargil fiasco did pakistan in. Like expedition against bangla bros in '71.

mushy had fauji bois sent straight to slaughterhouse. And pakistani citizens are yet paying for that "misunderstood" adventure.

 

[HalBass9]

'Disagree' is such a casual word. Normal human beings would call him a total disgrace to the country and to the uniform for all that he has done and the lives he has ruined, yet here you are approvingly calling him a professional. So weird.

Just a few weeks ago, @Major was telling everyone how the Pak army is just misunderstood by everybody and really has noble intentions.

The khaki brainwashing on the people of Pakistan is unreal.

There’s an undeniable political bias in the statement you quoted, and acknowledging the source is crucial to understanding the intent behind it.

In Pakistan, an overwhelming majority now sees clearly the role the military has played in steering the nation’s path, often to the detriment of both democracy and economic stability. This awareness is no longer confined to the margins, it’s mainstream, and it’s growing louder.

Of course, those who control the media will always dominate the volume, but not necessarily the truth.

 

[RexRex]

In Pakistan, an overwhelming majority now sees clearly the role the military has played in steering the nation’s path, often to the detriment of both democracy and economic stability. This awareness is no longer confined to the margins, it’s mainstream, and it’s growing louder.

People in Pak might slightly dislike the Army because of what it did to Imran Khan, not because of the khaki role in Kashmir or India-related matters. People are still as gullible as ever on the latter and believe their military is noble.

 

[emranabbas]

If I was an Indian I would be concerned about security in IOK despite having million soldiers there than pointing fingers at the Pakistan army

 

[HalBass9]

People in Pak might slightly dislike the Army because of what it did to Imran Khan, not because of the khaki role in Kashmir or India-related matters. People are still as gullible as ever on the latter and believe their military is noble.

No, you’re wrong. Again. And I get it, you want it to be true, because it’s what you’ve been conditioned to believe over the years. That’s not truth, it’s just human nature clinging to outdated comfort.

 

[RexRex]

No, you’re wrong. Again. And I get it, you want it to be true, because it’s what you’ve been conditioned to believe over the years. That’s not truth, it’s just human nature clinging to outdated comfort.

So if I'm outdated, tell me what the truth is .. specifically with regards to Pak Army and India.