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Scots saving the Tory party 
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The Tories would be deep in dog treacle without the gains in Scotland - Ruth Davidson has bailed them out
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Labour and Snp have hurt each other. Should have done some seat adjustments with each other. This is why I like Aus system a bit better where you have to get 50% to get elected so if you don't people's 2nd preference is taken into account. Most voters from Labour and SNP would have the other party as their 2nd choice.
First past the post system is terrible.
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Well it also keeps the extremists out.... ukip is now finished.
It doesn't really keep them out though does it?
UKIP are finished not because the voters didn't like them, UKIP are finished because the Conservative party changed their policies to appeal to UKIP voters.
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Lol ,what a disaster for May,arrogance got the better of her. Congrats to all the Brit Pakistani posters.
So it's official, we have a hung Parliament. Looks like the DUP will help the Tories form a government but May has got to go.
Unfortunately that means we might end up with Boris has PM which is even worse but fortunately the Tory/DUP lead will be so small that it will be hard for them to govern effectively.
Fingers crossed, this is the death knell for a hard Brexit but we shall see. What a night, I might go to bed now.
Unfortunately that means we might end up with Boris has PM which is even worse but fortunately the Tory/DUP lead will be so small that it will be hard for them to govern effectively.
Fingers crossed, this is the death knell for a hard Brexit but we shall see. What a night, I might go to bed now.
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Woke up this fine morning to a hung parliament.
Surely May has to resign now?!?!?!
Brexit Referendum Mrk 11 around the corner??
Surely May has to resign now?!?!?!
Brexit Referendum Mrk 11 around the corner??
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Why does everyone vote for the cons they haven't made the country and everything is really rubbish like The NHS,SCHOOLS and what this party is going to do is bring people to the streets.
One of the most dramatic nights in British election history.
The cause of progressive docial democracy is alive. People will not keep voting to make themselves poorer - Tories offered nothing in their manifesto but further cuts and vague promises. This result will be to the eternal credit of Jeremy Corbyn after all the doubts from the naysayers.
The cause of progressive docial democracy is alive. People will not keep voting to make themselves poorer - Tories offered nothing in their manifesto but further cuts and vague promises. This result will be to the eternal credit of Jeremy Corbyn after all the doubts from the naysayers.
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I think one thing everyone can agree upon is that Corbyn is an honest person much admired by most people.
If this was a presidential election he would have won hands down.
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It's just a shame then that there was such a concerted effort by the media to present him as some sort of deranged communist traitor. The Sun's now sickeningly trying to change tack like the opportunistic scumbag publication they are.
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He is disliked by the majority if not all of the Jewish people because of his stance in Isreal and his overall outlook on the Middle East and we all know who controls the press.
Turnout of 18-24 year olds estimated to be 72%, up from 43% in 2015.
That's made a huge difference.
What's also appears from the results is that the swing to Labour in strong Remain seats is higher than the swing to the Tories in strong Leave seats.
That's made a huge difference.
What's also appears from the results is that the swing to Labour in strong Remain seats is higher than the swing to the Tories in strong Leave seats.
Congratulations to [MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] and [MENTION=107620]s28[/MENTION] on their anticipation of this.
One fascinating footnote though.
In normal circumstances, 7 Sinn Fein seats means the Tories can govern with DUP support, as Sinn Fein don't take their seats at Westminster.
But Jeremy Corbyn gets on well with Sinn Fein. What if he asks them to attend Westminster as part of a Progressive Alliance, in return for a Border Poll on Irish reunification?
That would make it effectively impossible for the Conservatives to govern, even with DUP support.
One fascinating footnote though.
In normal circumstances, 7 Sinn Fein seats means the Tories can govern with DUP support, as Sinn Fein don't take their seats at Westminster.
But Jeremy Corbyn gets on well with Sinn Fein. What if he asks them to attend Westminster as part of a Progressive Alliance, in return for a Border Poll on Irish reunification?
That would make it effectively impossible for the Conservatives to govern, even with DUP support.
Wow. Now this is another aspect of this election to discuss - is this a rejection of Hard Brexit, a rejection of exiting the Single Market and the Customs Union ?
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] [MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION] and all.
Kensington result too close to call after two recounts. That seat has NEVER gone Red ! Tony Blair couldn't do it but Jeremy Corbyn could.
It wouldn't be the first shock result though, Labour gains Canterbury which has voted Conservative since the seat was created in 1918 ! That seat voted Remain in the referendum so again, a backlash against Hard Brexit seems real.
It wouldn't be the first shock result though, Labour gains Canterbury which has voted Conservative since the seat was created in 1918 ! That seat voted Remain in the referendum so again, a backlash against Hard Brexit seems real.
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Two words. Autumn Election
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Finally Sikhs making inroads into British politics,looks like Canada has helped the cause.
There was a lot of comparison among Sikhs about the difference in Canada and British politics.
From an Indian citizen POV would say this is good,less support for Khalistan and worrying about issues over there,being apolitical is a requirement.
What's your take [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]
There was a lot of comparison among Sikhs about the difference in Canada and British politics.
From an Indian citizen POV would say this is good,less support for Khalistan and worrying about issues over there,being apolitical is a requirement.
What's your take [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]
No, George Osborne is to blame for all of this.
I have nailed my colours to the mast. I'm a Tory who thinks that austerity is stupid.
And now even Jeremy Corbyn has destroyed us.
I blame Osborne and Cameron and seven years of pointless misery due to austerity.
This wasn't a pro or anti Brexit vote. It was an anti-austerity vote.
As [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] is alluding to - a big night for the UK Sikh community.
The first female Sikh MP and the first turbaned Sikh MP have been elected to parliament.
Preet Kaur Gill won in Birmingham Edgbaston and Tan Dhesi won in Slough, both for the Labour Party.
The first female Sikh MP and the first turbaned Sikh MP have been elected to parliament.
Preet Kaur Gill won in Birmingham Edgbaston and Tan Dhesi won in Slough, both for the Labour Party.
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Yes I think it is partly to do with this. However, imho it is also largely due to Labour's economic and social policies.
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Won't happen.
For Sinn Fein to take their seats in Parliament, each MP has to take an Oath of Allegiance to the Queen. Sinn Fein won't do that. That's why they don't take their seats. And don't get paid their MP's salaries. They just need to attend once, take the Oath, and leave, and not return until winning the seat again at the next election, in order to start having their salaries paid, plus benefits and MP's allowances (for secretaries etc). But they don't.
But we have seen the contempt and disdain across the political spectrum for the Hong Kong disqualification of MPs who take their oath in a disrespectful way.
Corbyn gets on well with Sinn Fein. I actually would never say never.
I agree people will not continue to vote to make themselves poorer.
However I wouldn't totally discount the Brexit factor. The results show an 8% swing from Conservatives to Labour in those seats that voted remain in last year’s referendum. In seats that voted leave there was a 1% swing from Labour to the Conservatives.
Corbyn's stance on the EU was widely lambasted as vague, but it turns out to have been quite shrewd. He was careful not to alienate Remainers or Leavers.
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Yes I seen that. At least that sleaze Hopkins lost Ilkley/Keighley
Really good. It's a shame Kuldip Sahota did not win in Telford against an awful Conservative candidate. I think he will regret focusing his campaign on the local hospital and not including Corbyn on his election literature. We had disaffected Telford activists joining us in Wolverhampton to campaign with us rather than their own constituency
Also in Wolverhampton some great campaigning from sikhs on behalf of Eleanor Smith against Sikh millionaire Paul Uppal. Sikh community rejected 'racial' politics. Credit to them.
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Yea a lot of people in Scotland are against IndyRef 2.
Last time we were told its a once in a generation event and majority of the country voted "No" and even though now Brexit is happening, a lot of people do not see that as a legitimate excuse to have a second referendum.
SNP have got themselves in an awkward position here. They have been successful for years on the fact that they want an independent Scotland. If they stop promoting that message, they will lose a huge chunk of voters. However, at the same time, for many other voters, since we have already voted to stay with the UK, negotiating good terms in Brexit and being a part of the UK is way more important right now, rather than worrying about an independent Scotland, which puts them off the SNP who seem very independence orientated.
It's a catch 22 for SNP. If the stop raving about independence - the lose a lot of voters. If they keep raving about independence - they lose a lot of voters.
On top of that you add the fact that now a lot of Labour's policies are in line with SNP policies, the votes are being split and I know a lot of people who voted for SNP in the last election, however, under Jeremy Corbyn's Labour, have voted for them this time.
Looks like even though the Tories have lost their majority in this snap election, it is the SNP who have taken the biggest hit and lost the most seats.
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Sinn Fein taking an Oath of Allegiance to the Queen? And you're equating that with 'contempt and disdain across the political spectrum for the Hong Kong disqualification of MPs who take their oath in a disrespectful way'?
Sorry to say old boy, but if you think that then you don't understand Sinn Fein / Northern Ireland.
What say you [MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION]
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While I almost wish they would partake in Westminster it wont happen. They have stated that they were elected on the basis that the electorate knew they wouldnt take their seats therefore they won't.
Not the end og the world this tbh. Now the UK can't ignore the vicious backwardsness of the DUP plus any fallback from the government will fall at the DUP's feet.
Natinalist parties missed a trick though. DUP and UUP agreed a pact not to compete in some constituencies, If SF and SDLP had done the same they could have won two constituencies they eventually lost.
This is going to be highly unstable.
As you've doubtless noticed, I stand alone on this forum as a very centrist One Nation Conservative, who feels more affinity for the Lib Dems, Labour and Greens than for the John Redwood-style right of my own party.
People like me consider the DUP to be intolerant bigots, and to be honest I find them more offensive than Sinn Fein.
We won't tolerate any closeness to their party. I'd rather be in opposition.
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Just woke up to the news that the British Trump is on the verge of becoming the PM. Oh dear.
So how many people are going to "regret" voting for the Tories? I hope they are brave enough to come out now.
So how many people are going to "regret" voting for the Tories? I hope they are brave enough to come out now.
I can assure you, there is no British Trump.
The closest would be Farage, but he has an IQ of around 130 compared with Trump's 85-90.
Corbyn is a thoughtful, decent man, although he's on the opposite side to me. He has a lot in common with Barack Obama.
Theresa May is a rather boring and uncharismatic woman, but she is a very decent human being.
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Boris Johnson is as close as it gets to the "British Trump", and it is not just the hair. And he is far less clever than Farage.
Oh, I see!
Actually you're wrong.
I don't much like Boris, but he plays the buffoon a bit like I ham up my posts here.
He's actually a very, very clever man. The problem - and arguable similarity with Trump - is his lack of conscience and ethics. He's an inveterate philanderer and liar, who made up many of the atrocious EU stories about legal bend measurements in bananas, etc.
Watching May's speech outside Number 10.
It's like the Last Days of Maggie.
She's giving a speech which has been rendered obsolete and absurd by events.
She really seems slightly unhinged. No insight into her loss of a majority. She's talking as if she won the election. But she hasn't got a majority.
I think a better option would have been to go all PM Hugh Grant in "Love Actually".
Just walk up to the podium and say "Well that didn't go very well, did it?"
Humour could work. Denial has just ensured that the party will overthrow her now.
It's like the Last Days of Maggie.
She's giving a speech which has been rendered obsolete and absurd by events.
She really seems slightly unhinged. No insight into her loss of a majority. She's talking as if she won the election. But she hasn't got a majority.
I think a better option would have been to go all PM Hugh Grant in "Love Actually".
Just walk up to the podium and say "Well that didn't go very well, did it?"
Humour could work. Denial has just ensured that the party will overthrow her now.
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So after all the hype and nonsense over Corbyn and IRA, May has just entered government with a party who regularly get pictured with loyalist paramilitaries, last week openly received support by a paramilitary group in the election, the same paramilitaries who just last week assassinated someone in a carp park in front of his 3 year old son.
This coalition will do well t survive 3 months. Any half decent politician in the UK will eat the DUP alive. More ammunition for them than they could possibly hope for.
This coalition will do well t survive 3 months. Any half decent politician in the UK will eat the DUP alive. More ammunition for them than they could possibly hope for.
You're quite right.
I don't want anything to do with the DUP. We will have another election by October.
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Frankly gobsmacking.
What we now have is two badly divided main parties, heading for another GE by year-end.
My own party lost Nick Clegg but got Sir Vince and Jo Swinson back. The latter could be the next leader, perhaps by the autumn. We have to have a rethink as the second referendum thing did not work on the doorsteps.
Cross about Zac G getting back in so quick in Richmond. Thought that might happen. Labour lost their deposit there in December but reduced Mrs Olney's vote this time.
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The Scottish Tories did brilliantly.
But this article shows just how badly they did in terms of May's visits, identifying the wrong battleground seats and probably losing twenty they should have won....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40222733
It's extraordinary after their data triumph in 2015.
Labour also got it wrong in some ways in not identifying key battle places because they underestimated their support there eg Broxtowe they came within a whisker of ousting the awful, odious Anna Soubry but failed to send activists & resources as they didn't think they had a chance.
Also hopefully they will regain the seats they lost to Cons in an Autumn election but it is worrying that these eg Mansfield,Stoke,Middlesborough,Walsall went blue.
Also hopefully they will regain the seats they lost to Cons in an Autumn election but it is worrying that these eg Mansfield,Stoke,Middlesborough,Walsall went blue.
Well at least now they have the data and will know exactly the seats to target.
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[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] who is that man with bucket on his head? is he a DUP member?
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Lord Buckethead. A great man. Don't insult him by comparing him to the DUP, who's heads tend to be firmly stuck in a pot of 17th century soil.
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I was seeing a fair amount of memes on the net comparing that image to cercei and the mountain so I thought Lord Buckethead was a meanie
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His manifesto is on the internet somewhere, absolutely hilarious, should read it if you can haha
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"Katie Hopkins to be banished to the phantom zone"
) He also ran against Margaret Thatcher LOLAnyone know much about Michaelle St Vincent of the Gold party
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] she ran in the 1987 GE finchley constituency Daaayum!!!
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Gonna add more info here for those curious about your proposed new government
- DUP Assembly Minister Jim Wells has publicly called on a ban on abortions given in cases of rape and incest. He has also claimed children raised by gay parents are at serious risk of being abused and neglected.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...d-be-ruled-out-for-rape-victims-28785234.html
- New DUP MP Sammy Wilson has been videotaped agreeing with calls for ethnic deportation
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35693195
He has also declared climate change to be "a con".
- Peter Robinson, former party leader with strong links to paramilitary activity, when quizzed on his wife's disgusting homophobic comments (ironic considering she slept with another man while married), replied "It wasn’t Iris Robinson who determined that homosexuality was an abomination, it was The Almighty. "
- The Ulster Resistance, terrorist group, has counted several prominent DUP members and ministers on its list over the years, including Peter Robinson
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- New DUP MP and potential government MP Gregory Campbell has publicly mocked the Irish language and refused to apologise for doing so. He's also probably the most bitter man I've ever seen
- Arlene Foster the DUP head presided over an energy scheme that actively profited businessmen and relations of DUP members to the tune of 500 million pounds at the taxpayers expense of course
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_Heat_Incentive_scandal
She also met with UDA (terrorist group) bosses two days after they carried out a murder two weeks ago,
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html
- DUP Assembly Minister John Buchanan, has called on creationism to be taught in every school
- DUP Minister Edward Poots, believes and I quote, the planet is a “young earth” created just 4,000 years ago.
“You’re telling me that cosmic balls of dust gathered and there was an explosion. We’ve had lots of explosions in Northern Ireland and I’ve never seen anything come out of that that was good,” he told the Radio Times.
- They were the only major party in 1998 to oppose the Good Friday Agreement which brought peace to the region.
- Unconfirmed but I've read elsewhere some of the DUP's demands for entering government with May are..
a) Amnesty for British soldiers in NI, so any soldiers found guilty for their actions during the Troubles in NI (which tended to involve gunning down innocent men women and children ) cannot be prosecuted.
b) A review and potential hardening of UK abortion laws.
c) GB and NI Olympic team be renamed to the UK (lol)
And many more to come no doubt!
Remember guys, potential government party here!) UK created this monster, time for them to finally see it and deal with it
- DUP Assembly Minister Jim Wells has publicly called on a ban on abortions given in cases of rape and incest. He has also claimed children raised by gay parents are at serious risk of being abused and neglected.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...d-be-ruled-out-for-rape-victims-28785234.html
- New DUP MP Sammy Wilson has been videotaped agreeing with calls for ethnic deportation
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-35693195
He has also declared climate change to be "a con".
- Peter Robinson, former party leader with strong links to paramilitary activity, when quizzed on his wife's disgusting homophobic comments (ironic considering she slept with another man while married), replied "It wasn’t Iris Robinson who determined that homosexuality was an abomination, it was The Almighty. "
- The Ulster Resistance, terrorist group, has counted several prominent DUP members and ministers on its list over the years, including Peter Robinson
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- New DUP MP and potential government MP Gregory Campbell has publicly mocked the Irish language and refused to apologise for doing so. He's also probably the most bitter man I've ever seen
- Arlene Foster the DUP head presided over an energy scheme that actively profited businessmen and relations of DUP members to the tune of 500 million pounds at the taxpayers expense of course
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_Heat_Incentive_scandal
She also met with UDA (terrorist group) bosses two days after they carried out a murder two weeks ago,
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html
- DUP Assembly Minister John Buchanan, has called on creationism to be taught in every school
- DUP Minister Edward Poots, believes and I quote, the planet is a “young earth” created just 4,000 years ago.
“You’re telling me that cosmic balls of dust gathered and there was an explosion. We’ve had lots of explosions in Northern Ireland and I’ve never seen anything come out of that that was good,” he told the Radio Times.
- They were the only major party in 1998 to oppose the Good Friday Agreement which brought peace to the region.
- Unconfirmed but I've read elsewhere some of the DUP's demands for entering government with May are..
a) Amnesty for British soldiers in NI, so any soldiers found guilty for their actions during the Troubles in NI (which tended to involve gunning down innocent men women and children ) cannot be prosecuted.
b) A review and potential hardening of UK abortion laws.
c) GB and NI Olympic team be renamed to the UK (lol)
And many more to come no doubt!
Remember guys, potential government party here!
) UK created this monster, time for them to finally see it and deal with it
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Methinks that over time, more than one intergalactic star lord has worn the Mantle of the Bucket.
Unless he comes from a race longer lived than us.
Unless he comes from a race longer lived than us.
So there we have it - the DUP have agreed a confidence and supply deal with the Conservatives.
The UK Government now takes one side in the Northern Ireland political process in a betrayal of the Good Friday Agreement.
I'm sure the big man will be laughing from beyond the grave:
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The UK Government now takes one side in the Northern Ireland political process in a betrayal of the Good Friday Agreement.
I'm sure the big man will be laughing from beyond the grave:
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My old Dad had LPs of some of his sermons.
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Personally speaking in the long term this will only damage the DUP. Inevitable controversy, media gaffs, Brexit likely gonna negatively impact on the UK which falls on their feet, the sheer bigotry they stand for will now get a global audience.
In the short term obviously bad for SF and Nationalists but they aint stupid, they know all they have to do is wait and watch the inevitable implosion and capitalise.
In the short term obviously bad for SF and Nationalists but they aint stupid, they know all they have to do is wait and watch the inevitable implosion and capitalise.
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A beer festival
In country famous for alcohol consumption
Add some DUP.
Result?
Apologies to [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] and all the other Brits on here, but ye technically have voted for this)
In country famous for alcohol consumption
Add some DUP.
Result?
Apologies to [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] and all the other Brits on here, but ye technically have voted for this
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A beer festival
In country famous for alcohol consumption
Add some DUP.
Result?
Apologies to [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] and all the other Brits on here, but ye technically have voted for this
Seriously though it's no laughing matter now I've heard the DUP kill little catholic children and what not :/ anyhow we're going to head for a new GE and Labour will get their majority then hopefully; by voting for them and a hung parliament we've prevented political discourse from shifting to the right in the long term so this short term alliance between DUP and Tory skum will be short lived mate
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