George Floyd killing: Former police officer Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[Gilly]

Didn’t attack her character, attacked her judgement.

Black Conservatives sadden me. They think because they made it, any black person can. But it comes back to the three strikes at bat. She just happened to hit a home run off her one available strike. It’s doable, but harder and statistically less likely. But most blacks will stay second class citizens in terms of job opportunity, health and justice provision. Interesting that her father-in-law is a Tory peer. Also interesting that black woman who are successful have made themselves look more white by having their hair straightened. I can’t think of a single successful black American woman with braids or corn rows.

Think Whoopie.

Hundreds and hundreds of models, singers, dancers, movie stars.

 

[Robert]

Think Whoopie.

Hundreds and hundreds of models, singers, dancers, movie stars.

Ok, I should have clarified. Not entertainers - politicians and pundits. Look at Kamala. If she put her hair in corn rows her approval rating would plummet. So she has to straighten it.

 

[Technics 1210]

Ok, I should have clarified. Not entertainers - politicians and pundits. Look at Kamala. If she put her hair in corn rows her approval rating would plummet. So she has to straighten it.

This is stretching it. Any evidence?

I suggest you look at her pictures of her at young age, in particular as a child. She has naturally wavey but dense hair and women of all races tend to straighten their wavey hair. It's incredibly common to do so.

Plus she was promoting herself as African American in the elections, not her mother's side as, South Asian - she was clearly appealing to the black demographic as VP so why would she straighten her hair just for the white vote?

Obama didn't change his hair style, and was voted twice as President, largely by the white demographic.

 

[Gilly]

Ok, I should have clarified. Not entertainers - politicians and pundits. Look at Kamala. If she put her hair in corn rows her approval rating would plummet. So she has to straighten it.

Well think lawyers, CEO's, sportswomen and entrepreneurs. I dont think you are giving successful black women the respect they deserve and are just using them as political fodder.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is stretching it. Any evidence?

I suggest you look at her pictures of her at young age, in particular as a child. She has naturally wavey but dense hair and women of all races tend to straighten their wavey hair. It's incredibly common to do so.

Plus she was promoting herself as African American in the elections, not her mother's side as, South Asian - she was clearly appealing to the black demographic as VP so why would she straighten her hair just for the white vote?

Obama didn't change his hair style, and was voted twice as President, largely by the white demographic.

That's a sign of inferiority complex if you ask me. They do it to fit in with the image of successful and desirable women in the country. As for why would she straighten her hair just for the white vote, why couldn't she appeal to both demographics? She's black ( sort of) so her colour can catch the black vote, and she can straighten her hair to look more like the white people she is trying to woo as well.

 

[Technics 1210]

That's a sign of inferiority complex if you ask me. They do it to fit in with the image of successful and desirable women in the country. As for why would she straighten her hair just for the white vote, why couldn't she appeal to both demographics? She's black ( sort of) so her colour can catch the black vote, and she can straighten her hair to look more like the white people she is trying to woo as well.

She can appeal to whoever she wants, but she was on the election ticket to attract the female/coloured vote. I was just making the point that she didn't straighten her hair in fear of losing approval ratings - her stint as Governor of California was enough to do that.

 

[Robert]

That's a sign of inferiority complex if you ask me. They do it to fit in with the image of successful and desirable women in the country. As for why would she straighten her hair just for the white vote, why couldn't she appeal to both demographics? She's black ( sort of) so her colour can catch the black vote, and she can straighten her hair to look more like the white people she is trying to woo as well.

It’s a sign of getting turned down at job interviews if they turn up with their hair in rows or braids.

 

[Robert]

Well think lawyers, CEO's, sportswomen and entrepreneurs. I dont think you are giving successful black women the respect they deserve and are just using them as political fodder.

Dunno what “political fodder” means.

Don’t know any American black lawyers and CEOs. Let’s focus on recent entertainers, the really big ones. Whitney Houston, Beyoncé, Halle Berry, Oprah all straighten their hair and put in extensions, to look less different and threatening to white audiences. Even your Whoopi had straight hair in her peak earning years.

 

[Robert]

She can appeal to whoever she wants, but she was on the election ticket to attract the female/coloured vote. I was just making the point that she didn't straighten her hair in fear of losing approval ratings - her stint as Governor of California was enough to do that.

Attorney General and Senator, not Governor.

 

[Gilly]

Dunno what “political fodder” means.

Don’t know any American black lawyers and CEOs. Let’s focus on recent entertainers, the really big ones. Whitney Houston, Beyoncé, Halle Berry, Oprah all straighten their hair and put in extensions, to look less different and threatening to white audiences. Even your Whoopi had straight hair in her peak earning years.

It means you are just using her to score political points by making up something that is not true.

 

[Robert]

It means you are just using her to score political points by making up something that is not true.

Political points? . I think Kamala is great. I want her to be POTUS in 2024.

It’s true - it’s just not something you have considered, and you have ignored my other points.

 

[Technics 1210]

Dunno what “political fodder” means.

Don’t know any American black lawyers and CEOs. Let’s focus on recent entertainers, the really big ones. Whitney Houston, Beyoncé, Halle Berry, Oprah all straighten their hair and put in extensions, to look less different and threatening to white audiences. Even your Whoopi had straight hair in her peak earning years.

Whitney Houston and Beyonce are succesful because of their music and talent, not their colour, and their hair style consistency changes because its part of their image which sells worldwide, not just in USA. Many young people of colour aspire to be like them. This is success and influence.

Jazz, Soul, Swing, Rap, Hip Hop - all dominated by blacks.

Famous black lawyer - Johnnie Cochran (unfortunately passed away)

 

[Gilly]

Political points? . I think Kamala is great. I want her to be POTUS in 2024.

It’s true - it’s just not something you have considered, and you have ignored my other points.

Its just as stupid as saying there are no successful white men with mullets. It sits in well with the stuff they spew out of CNN, FOX and MSNBC.

 

[Robert]

Its just as stupid as saying there are no successful white men with mullets. It sits in well with the stuff they spew out of CNN, FOX and MSNBC.

Except that white men, mullets or no, are not the victims of structural and institutional racism in the USA. Black women are.

 

[Robert]

Whitney Houston and Beyonce are succesful because of their music and talent, not their colour, and their hair style consistency changes because its part of their image which sells worldwide, not just in USA. Many young people of colour aspire to be like them. This is success and influence.

Jazz, Soul, Swing, Rap, Hip Hop - all dominated by blacks.

Famous black lawyer - Johnnie Cochran (unfortunately passed away)

Ok - in an industry dominated by image, where 75% of the buying public (with a lot more that 75% of the wealth) is white, can you see an advantage to black female artists making themselves look more like the bulk of their target audience?

 

[Technics 1210]

Except that white men, mullets or no, are not the victims of structural and institutional racism in the USA. Black women are.

I don't think anyway denies racism exists, it's just that it's not widespread/structual/systemic as you and the media are making it out to be.

Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Asian - are all victims of racism in USA.

Why is it when non-whites are succesful no one mentions how racism didn't play a role, but when a black person fails, it's down to racsim?

No one who shares your view seems to have an answer, other than what and how the media reports on such issues.

 

[Technics 1210]

Ok - in an industry dominated by image, where 75% of the buying public (with a lot more that 75% of the wealth) is white, can you see an advantage to black female artists making themselves look more like the bulk of their target audience?

Image is secondary in the music industry. Music is first. You got to have the talent.

Micheal Jackson was succesful when he had an afro with the Jackson 5. More whites bought his music than blacks, and still do.

You know what propelled MJ into superstardom? The day he did the Moonwalk live on stage. Not his skin colour, but his talent.

After superstardom, he changed his image, and ironically got slated for it.

This is pretty much the same pattern for all black artists.

Whites buy more Rap/Hip Hop than blacks after listening to tracks on the radio where image is irrelevant.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Political points? . I think Kamala is great. I want her to be POTUS in 2024.

It’s true - it’s just not something you have considered, and you have ignored my other points.

America ain't electing a woman less one of colour

 

[Gilly]

Except that white men, mullets or no, are not the victims of structural and institutional racism in the USA. Black women are.

And there are thousands and thousands of successful black women that thrived and to talk down their success for political gain is worse.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't think anyway denies racism exists, it's just that it's not widespread/structual/systemic as you and the media are making it out to be.

Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Asian - are all victims of racism in USA.

Why is it when non-whites are succesful no one mentions how racism didn't play a role, but when a black person fails, it's down to racsim?

No one who shares your view seems to have an answer, other than what and how the media reports on such issues.

Why would you mention racism when someone succeeds? They will still have faced it most likely, but racism is not legally enforced any more so non-white people can succeed regardless of it.

Black people can fail for many reasons, not everything can be attributed to racism.

There you go, your questions have now been answered.

 

[Technics 1210]

Why would you mention racism when someone succeeds? They will still have faced it most likely, but racism is not legally enforced any more so non-white people can succeed regardless of it.

Black people can fail for many reasons, not everything can be attributed to racism.

There you go, your questions have now been answered.

Took you long enough.

We are told that racism is systemic and structural when black people fail, by users and by the media.

Do you you agree with Robert/media that racism is structual and systemic in the USA? Yes or no?

Where is the evidence of systemic and structual racism? Is the evidence that Black people fail? Try again, more black people succeed in the USA than fail; thus racism is not systemic etc in USA.

This is the point which Robert is not addressing and is focused just on the failures. You will find failures among whites, hispanics, asians too.

Lets talk about why blacks fail, and clearly upbringing is a root cause, but hey, no one wants to address this point; too busy regurgitating headlines from sensationalist media reporting coupled with justifying the rioting, looting, and violence - by claiming society has pushed blacks into a corner - sheer delusional **.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Took you long enough.

We are told that racism is systemic and structural when black people fail, by users and by the media.

Do you you agree with Robert/media that racism is structual and systemic in the USA? Yes or no?

Where is the evidence of systemic and structual racism? Is the evidence that Black people fail? Try again, more black people succeed in the USA than fail; thus racism is not systemic etc in USA.

This is the point which Robert is not addressing and is focused just on the failures. You will find failures among whites, hispanics, asians too.

Lets talk about why blacks fail, and clearly upbringing is a root cause, but hey, no one wants to address this point; too busy regurgitating headlines from sensationalist media reporting coupled with justifying the rioting, looting, and violence - by claiming society has pushed blacks into a corner - sheer delusional **.

It took me long enough because these issues are not black or white or "yes or no" which you are asking for, so to be quite frank I find it tedious to explain issues in simplistic terms which can have plenty of layers and nuance.

I am not going to argue on behalf of Robert that racism is structural or systemic as I am not sure what that means exactly, but yes I agree on most of his points that there are silent barriers and hierarchies which work against non-whites - not that different to the caste system in India in many ways.

I am not even arguing that such discrimination is wrong by the way, just that it is there. Perhaps it is justified, but we can look at that as well.

 

[Technics 1210]

It took me long enough because these issues are not black or white or "yes or no" which you are asking for, so to be quite frank I find it tedious to explain issues in simplistic terms which can have plenty of layers and nuance.

I am not going to argue on behalf of Robert that racism is structural or systemic as I am not sure what that means exactly, but yes I agree on most of his points that there are silent barriers and hierarchies which work against non-whites - not that different to the caste system in India in many ways.

I am not even arguing that such discrimination is wrong by the way, just that it is there. Perhaps it is justified, but we can look at that as well.

Whites, Hispanics, and Asians face the same barriers. They have to work hard, study, find work, raise familes, survive, deal with racism.

Perception is reality, and cleary the perception of the majority is set by the sensationst media. So bad is the effect not a single one of the SJWs made a comment on Tony Timpa. That's how deep the media brainwashing is.

It's not an arguement it's a fact.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Whites, Hispanics, and Asians face the same barriers. They have to work hard, study, find work, raise familes, survive, deal with racism.

Perception is reality, and cleary the perception of the majority is set by the sensationst media. So bad is the effect not a single one of the SJWs made a comment on Tony Timpa. That's how deep the media brainwashing is.

It's not an arguement it's a fact.

This is what I mean by nuance. You are claiming all of those ethnic groups face the same barriers and have to deal with racism. Maybe that's true...but all to the same degree? This isn't fact, it's playing with words.

 

[Technics 1210]

This is what I mean by nuance. You are claiming all of those ethnic groups face the same barriers and have to deal with racism. Maybe that's true...but all to the same degree? This isn't fact, it's playing with words.

Yes to the same degree, if not more. Don’t forget that blacks dominate certain spheres such as sports and music. The difference is non blacks don’t cry racism or victim when they fail.

What is also a fact is if black victims of policy brutality complied with police instructions, most of them would be alive today, including Floyd. Fact.

What is also a fact is that Floyd’s death was not the result of racism as the media made it out to be, the prosecution and jurors agree. Fact.

What the media spun as a racist murder for the purpose of dividing USA and fuelling race wars turned out to be nothing more than police brutality.

You can ignore the facts and honour Floyd’s legacy as Nancy Pelosi suggested.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes to the same degree, if not more. Don’t forget that blacks dominate certain spheres such as sports and music. The difference is non blacks don’t cry racism or victim when they fail.

What is also a fact is if black victims of policy brutality complied with police instructions, most of them would be alive today, including Floyd. Fact.

What is also a fact is that Floyd’s death was not the result of racism as the media made it out to be, the prosecution and jurors agree. Fact.

What the media spun as a racist murder for the purpose of dividing USA and fuelling race wars turned out to be nothing more than police brutality.

You can ignore the facts and honour Floyd’s legacy as Nancy Pelosi suggested.

Blacks don't dominate sports and music, there are plenty of non-black sportsmen and musicians all enjoying tremendous success. There is no need to cry racism because the non-blacks are already winning. Fact.

Even if black victims are wrong to resist arrest, that doesn't excuse police then overstepping their bounds and pinning a man to the ground by placing a knee on his neck until he is choked to death. For 10 mins no less. Fact.

When you claim the media was trying to divide the nation and fuel a race war, do you know that for a.....fact?

 

[Technics 1210]

Blacks don't dominate sports and music, there are plenty of non-black sportsmen and musicians all enjoying tremendous success. There is no need to cry racism because the non-blacks are already winning. Fact.

Even if black victims are wrong to resist arrest, that doesn't excuse police then overstepping their bounds and pinning a man to the ground by placing a knee on his neck until he is choked to death. For 10 mins no less. Fact.

When you claim the media was trying to divide the nation and fuel a race war, do you know that for a.....fact?

Yes I know for a fact the media was trying to fuel a race war, you know how? The media sensationalised a murder, by calling it a racist attack based on incomplete video footage of Floyd’s murder (from a passer-by), BUT when the full body-cam video of the police officers was released, cries of racism diminished, prosecution changed it’s tune. By then it was too late, BLM had already started rioting, looting, and resorting to violence, and Chauvin was found guilty of unintentional murder - 2nd degree. This is sensationalism in a nutshell. The political fall out was obvious. Trump was President, Democrats blamed him - thus fuelling a race war and further dividing a nation that was already divided.

Basketball, American Football, US Olympic dominated by blacks. Rap, Hip-Hop - the largest selling music genre in USA - dominated by blacks. Non whites do not cry about disproportionate representation in said spheres.

Police officers over react because guns are legal in the USA and fear a non-compliant suspect may shoot back and kill said officers. It’s a natural fear in a country when guns are legal. Yes some police officers over react, like Chauvin, but the same police kill non-black suspects too, whom comply and don't comply.

Look beyond the colour of the skin.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes I know for a fact the media was trying to fuel a race war, you know how? The media sensationalised a murder, by calling it a racist attack based on incomplete video footage of Floyd’s murder (from a passer-by), BUT when the full body-cam video of the police officers was released, cries of racism diminished, prosecution changed it’s tune. By then it was too late, BLM had already started rioting, looting, and resorting to violence, and Chauvin was found guilty of unintentional murder - 2nd degree. This is sensationalism in a nutshell. The political fall out was obvious. Trump was President, Democrats blamed him - thus fuelling a race war and further dividing a nation that was already divided.

Basketball, American Football, US Olympic dominated by blacks. Rap, Hip-Hop - the largest selling music genre in USA - dominated by blacks. Non whites do not cry about disproportionate representation in said spheres.

Police officers over react because guns are legal in the USA and fear a non-compliant suspect may shoot back and kill said officers. It’s a natural fear in a country when guns are legal. Yes some police officers over react, like Chauvin, but the same police kill non-black suspects too, whom comply and don't comply.

Look beyond the colour of the skin.

Do you know for a fact that the media deliberately withheld camera footage in order to sensationalise a murder to fuel a race war? or maybe they were just playing the video they had access to at that point in time?

Basketball is dominated by blacks, baseball is probably dominated by whites. Rap is dominated by blacks, rock and country is dominated by whites. I'm not sure why you are using either genre as proof of anything since as far as I'm aware nobody has claimed racism in these fields.

I am happy to look beyond the colour of the skin, but the rest of the world isn't, that is why we have this thread, and why it's such a big issue globally.

 

[Technics 1210]

Do you know for a fact that the media deliberately withheld camera footage in order to sensationalise a murder to fuel a race war? or maybe they were just playing the video they had access to at that point in time?

Basketball is dominated by blacks, baseball is probably dominated by whites. Rap is dominated by blacks, rock and country is dominated by whites. I'm not sure why you are using either genre as proof of anything since as far as I'm aware nobody has claimed racism in these fields.

I am happy to look beyond the colour of the skin, but the rest of the world isn't, that is why we have this thread, and why it's such a big issue globally.

Read again. I never said the media deliberately withheld the video footage. I said the media sensationalised the murder based on incomplete video footage.

Full body-cam footage was released while the trial was being prepared amongst the lawyers, then viewed by the public during the telecast of the trial - by then the damage was already done.

Sensationalist headline before the trial : White racist police officer kills black man.

Truthful/objective headline before the trial : Citizen killed by police officer.

There is a massive difference on how the headlines influence public perception.

Media is to blame for the false perception and narrative created, and then you have the likes of Pelosi cashing in on sensationalism.

As for black domination in certain spheres - the point is if we are to believe the SJWs and media, that USA is institutionally racist, systemic racism towards blacks exists, then the opportunities for blacks to succeed wouldn’t exist - clearly this is not the case.

The only privilege that exists in USA is economic privilege -born into money - everything else, every race, every person, in the USA, has to work to achieve something.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Read again. I never said the media deliberately withheld the video footage. I said the media sensationalised the murder based on incomplete video footage.

Full body-cam footage was released while the trial was being prepared amongst the lawyers, then viewed by the public during the telecast of the trial - by then the damage was already done.

Sensationalist headline before the trial : White racist police officer kills black man.

Truthful/objective headline before the trial : Citizen killed by police officer.

There is a massive difference on how the headlines influence public perception.

Media is to blame for the false perception and narrative created, and then you have the likes of Pelosi cashing in on sensationalism.

As for black domination in certain spheres - the point is if we are to believe the SJWs and media, that USA is institutionally racist, systemic racism towards blacks exists, then the opportunities for blacks to succeed wouldn’t exist - clearly this is not the case.

The only privilege that exists in USA is economic privilege -born into money - everything else, every race, every person, in the USA, has to work to achieve something.

Not disputing that, but then why is race an issue?

 

[Technics 1210]

Not disputing that, but then why is race an issue?

Why is race an issue? The old adage - divide and conquer.

 

[Saj]

Why is race an issue? The old adage - divide and conquer.

I don't see this matter as a white police officer killing a black man.

The objective way to look at is, one human being killing another when it could so easily have been avoided.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why is race an issue? The old adage - divide and conquer.

Who is doing the dividing and conquering in this scenario?

 

[Technics 1210]

Who is doing the dividing and conquering in this scenario?

I have already mentioned above.

 

[Technics 1210]

I don't see this matter as a white police officer killing a black man.

The objective way to look at is, one human being killing another when it could so easily have been avoided.

Yup as I mentioned, there is a difference between a sensationalist and objective headline. However, when one is objective, one is accused of being racist for not subscribing to the media narrative.

The problem is many people rely on the media and are unable to think for themselves. Said people hold the media as gospel truth.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have already mentioned above.

I haven't been following this thread daily, it's almost 300 posts, but I did see you mention Zionists a few times so I will take the liberty to assume you mean them. Do you really believe they want to pit blacks against whites for their own purposes?

 

[Technics 1210]

I haven't been following this thread daily, it's almost 300 posts, but I did see you mention Zionists a few times so I will take the liberty to assume you mean them. Do you really believe they want to pit blacks against whites for their own purposes?

I mentioned who in our convo yesterday.

Politicians and Media.

Personally when I mentioned sensationalist media and Democrats [Pelosi] vs. Republicans [Trump] it was a dead give away for a smart man like you.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I mentioned who in our convo yesterday.

Politicians and Media.

Personally when I mentioned sensationalist media and Democrats [Pelosi] vs. Republicans [Trump] it was a dead give away for a smart man like you.

Politicians and media represent us at the end of the day though. They can only sell an idea or news to their willing subscribers.

 

[Technics 1210]

Politicians and media represent us at the end of the day though. They can only sell an idea or news to their willing subscribers.

They are selling, I ain’t buying.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They are selling, I ain’t buying.

Well, that's how it's meant to work. You don't buy, someone else might according to their choice.

 

[ChTab]

George Floyd: Four police officers charged with violating civil rights


Four ex-police officers have been charged with violating the civil rights of African-American George Floyd, whose murder in Minneapolis last year sparked global outrage.

A federal grand jury in Minnesota indicted the four - who include Derek Chauvin, the officer convicted in April of Floyd's murder.

Prosecutors say they wilfully "deprived Mr Floyd of his constitutional rights".

Chauvin was filmed kneeling on Mr Floyd's neck for over nine minutes.

The former policeman was found guilty of murder and manslaughter, in a criminal case filed by the state of Minnesota

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His legal team requested a new trial on Wednesday, accusing both prosecutors and jurors of misconduct. The white former officer will be sentenced next month and faces up to 40 years in prison.

What are the new charges?
According to a Department of Justice statement, four officers - Alexander Keung, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao, as well as Chauvin - are accused of infringing Mr Floyd's civil rights.

Count one alleges that when Chauvin knelt on Mr Floyd he broke his "constitutional right to be free from the use of unreasonable force by a police officer".

The second count accuses Mr Keung and Mr Thao of failing to intervene that day, while the third count alleges that all four "saw Mr Floyd lying on the ground in clear need of medical care" and failed to help him.

Chauvin has also been charged with two charges for an incident in September 2017, the statement said.

The former police officer is accused of holding a 14-year-old by the throat and hitting him "multiple times in the head", as well as allegedly kneeling on his neck and upper back "after the teenager was lying prone, handcuffed, and unresisting".

All the federal charges revealed on Friday are separate to those filed against the four officers by the state of Minnesota.

Mr Kueng, Mr Lane, and Mr Thao are due to stand trial together later this year over Mr Floyd's death.

What happened to George Floyd?
The 46-year-old bought a pack of cigarettes at a convenience store in May 2020. A shop assistant believed he had used a counterfeit note and called police after Mr Floyd refused to give the cigarettes back.

When officers arrived, they ordered Mr Floyd out of his parked car and handcuffed him. A struggle ensued when officers tried to put a screaming Mr Floyd in their squad car. They wrestled him to the ground and pinned him under their weight.

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Chauvin pressed his knee into the back of Mr Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes.

As he was being restrained, Mr Floyd said more than 20 times that he could not breathe, pleading for his mother and begging "please, please, please".

When the ambulance arrived, Mr Floyd was motionless. He was pronounced dead about an hour later.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57023223

 

[Technics 1210]

George Floyd: Four police officers charged with violating civil rights


Four ex-police officers have been charged with violating the civil rights of African-American George Floyd, whose murder in Minneapolis last year sparked global outrage.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57023223

Even the BBC has changed the way it is reporting Floyd's death AFTER the trial. Note the term used by the BBC - African American above.

Now look at how BBC reported Floyd’s death BEFORE the trial, based on partial video footage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52854025

A former Minneapolis police officer has been arrested and charged with murder following the death of an unarmed black man in custody.

MEDIA SENSATIONALISM.

Of course read the posts from users in this thread before and after the trial. The left/SJW have changed their tuned. Claiming the murder was racially motivated based on a partial video, and what the media was feeding them.

As said the damage was done by the time the trial was concluded.

Keep buying the sensationalism folks! You’re getting brainwashed in broad daylight and don’t even realise it. Great value for money indeed.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.reuters.com/business/legal/judge-hears-arguments-about-possible-leak-coercion-floyd-case-2021-05-13/

A judge postponed the trial of three former Minneapolis policemen accused of taking part in the murder of George Floyd to March 2022 after they said that prosecutors leaked prejudicial information about the case, according to media reports.

Tou Thao, 25, J. Alexander Kueng, 27, and Thomas Lane, 28, all fired and arrested days after Floyd was killed on May 25, have been charged with aiding and abetting the second-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter of Floyd.

Former Minneapolis policeman Derek Chauvin was convicted on April 20 of murdering Floyd, 46, by kneeling on his neck for more than nine minutes, in a case that marked a milestone in America's fraught racial history and a rebuke of law enforcement’s treatment of Black Americans. The death, captured on cellphone video, led to protests around the nation and overseas.

On Thursday, attorneys for Thao, Kueng and Lane raised concerns that information had been leaked that would taint the jury pool, and that a key witness was coerced into amending his findings.

The attorneys said prosecutors leaked "damning" information to the New York Times about Chauvin's supposed plan to plead guilty and asked Hennepin County District Judge Peter Cahill to sanction prosecutors, including state Attorney General Keith Ellison.

In a statement, Ellison had earlier called the leak allegation "completely false and an outlandish attempt to disparage the prosecution."

Cahill postponed the trial from August 2021 to March 2022, the Wall Street Journal and other news media reported.

On May 25, Kueng and Lane were the first officers to arrive outside the food store where Floyd was accused of passing a counterfeit $20 bill to buy cigarettes. Thao arrived on the scene with Chauvin after Floyd had already been handcuffed.

Thao, Kueng, and Lane were not present at Thursday's hearing, and no cameras were permitted in the courtroom.

Thao's defense attorney also asked Cahill to drop all charges against Thao, and to rule that Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County medical examiner, was coerced into saying that Floyd died of asphyxiation.

According to the motion the attorney filed before the hearing, Dr. Roger Mitchell, Washington, D.C.'s chief medical examiner, was planning to write an opinion piece critical of Baker's initial findings. Thao's legal team claimed Baker had changed his findings to avoid controversy, and that prosecutors knew about it.

It was unknown when Cahill would rule on that motion.

 

[Saj]

Sentencing today.

'My family and I have been given a life sentence.'

George Floyd's brother, Philonise, says his brother 'will never be allowed to attend those magical moments in his daughters life', as he speaks ahead of the sentencing of Derek Chauvin.

 

[Saj]

Former police officer Derek Chauvin sentenced to 22 years and six months in prison for the murder of George Floyd

He could be out in 15 years.

 

[Saj]

Before issuing his sentence, the judge gave short remarks describing how he arrived at a sentence of 270 months, or just over 22 years.

"My comments are actually going to be very brief, because most of it is going to be in writing," he says, pointing to his 22-page sentencing memo.

He said that he will let his written work stand, because this case "is a legal analysis" and "is not based on emotion or sympathy."

"However, I acknowledge the pain felt in this courtroom" and outside the courtroom, says Judge Cahilll.

He says the pain has been felt around the country, but adds: "Most importantly we need to recognise the pain of the Floyd family."

 

[KingKhanWC]

Before issuing his sentence, the judge gave short remarks describing how he arrived at a sentence of 270 months, or just over 22 years.

"My comments are actually going to be very brief, because most of it is going to be in writing," he says, pointing to his 22-page sentencing memo.

He said that he will let his written work stand, because this case "is a legal analysis" and "is not based on emotion or sympathy."

"However, I acknowledge the pain felt in this courtroom" and outside the courtroom, says Judge Cahilll.

He says the pain has been felt around the country, but adds: "Most importantly we need to recognise the pain of the Floyd family."

Strange from the judge, you dont sentence someone because of emtions outside in the world.

However 22 could have been 40 years. He will be out in 15 years, expect the story to re-emerge then.

 

[Technics 1210]

He will be out in 10 years for best behaviour, he is eligible for parole, and I bet you he will have multi-million dollar deals lined up by time of realise.

This story isn't over yet IMO. I reckon there's another twist.

Also lets face reality. He will not fear when picking up soap in prison. I bet you all those Nazi sympathisers will anoint this guy for sainthood.

 

[Saj]

Strange from the judge, you dont sentence someone because of emtions outside in the world.

However 22 could have been 40 years. He will be out in 15 years, expect the story to re-emerge then.

A lot of anger amongst the African American community. Whilst this is the longest sentence handed out to an American police officer, the community wanted a longer sentence.

 

[Saj]

Lawyers for three former Minneapolis police officers charged in George Floyd’s death have asked a judge to bar their upcoming trial from being livestreamed, saying some witnesses will not testify if the proceedings are broadcast.

The request from the lawyers for Thomas Lane, J Kueng and Tou Thao on Thursday is an about-face from their earlier request to have the trial publicly broadcast, and it is opposed by prosecutors and news outlets including The Associated Press.

Lane, Kueng and Thao are scheduled to stand trial next March on charges of aiding and abetting both second-degree murder and manslaughter in Floyd’s May 2020 death. Their co-defendant, Derek Chauvin, was convicted in April of murder and manslaughter after weeks of proceedings that marked the first time in Minnesota that a criminal trial was livestreamed in its entirety.

Before Chauvin’s trial, lawyers for all four men requested the trials be broadcast, but Lane and Kueng recently backtracked, with their lawyers saying that the “worldwide publicity” from televised coverage of Chauvin’s trail “crushed” their clients’ right to a fair trial. Lawyers Earl Gray and Tom Plunkett said the public access led some witnesses to decline to testify for the defence, noting one witness in the Chauvin trial has been harassed and another faced professional scrutiny.

“Cameras in the Chauvin Courtroom brought us to the dangerous pass where people are deterred from testifying for the defense because they fear the wrath of the crowd,” they wrote.

Thao’s lawyer, Robert Paule, said in court on Thursday that he would file a motion to join the other two officers in objecting.

Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill, who presided over Chauvin’s trial and is also handling the case of the other three officers, said he would rule later on the livestreaming matter.

Minnesota court rules usually ban cameras at criminal trials unless both sides agree to them. Cahill ordered the trials to be broadcast live, over the initial objections of prosecutors, because of the intense global interest in the case and limited court space due to the pandemic. The livestreaming was widely praised and has led the state to consider expanding its rules for broadcasting future court proceedings.

Prosecutors initially opposed livestreaming Chauvin’s trial but now have said it was the right move — protecting everyone involved during the pandemic, allowing for meaningful public access and letting people watch the fair administration of the justice system.

They have favoured livestreaming the second trial as well, saying defence claims that audio-video coverage will deny them a fair trial is unconvincing. They said there is no concrete evidence that any witnesses are refusing to testify for the defence — and if that is the case, reluctant witnesses can be compelled to appear.

“Indeed, if Defendants have difficulty finding expert witnesses — and there is no evidence that they cannot secure experts — that difficulty is a product of their overwhelming guilt,” prosecutors wrote.

Lawyers for a media coalition also say the court should allow audio-video coverage, saying even if the trial is not televised, witnesses will still face publicity and scrutiny because their names and the content of their testimony will be reported. The media coalition argued that some witnesses are not worried about a livestream but just do not want to be associated with the defendants.

The media lawyers also argued that barring cameras would mean the public cannot fully monitor what is going on.

Brock Hunter, a Minnesota defence lawyer, said barring cameras will not protect witness identities because “whether on stream testifying or just quoted in the news, they are going to be publicly identified and face potential backlash”.

In other motions filed on Thursday, Gray dropped a request that the state provide all use-of-force reports since July 2016 in which another officer intervened in force used by a colleague, because he is pursuing them from the city. An officer’s duty to intervene came up often during testimony in Chauvin’s trial.

Cahill also heard arguments Thursday on a defence motion that alleged a potential expert witness for the state coerced the testimony of Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr Andrew Baker, which the state has denied. He also considered a defence request for sanctions after The New York Times reported that Chauvin had been prepared to plead guilty days after Floyd’s death. Numerous lawyers from the Attorney General’s Office and the Hennepin County Attorney’s Office have filed affidavits stating they were not the source of the leaked information.

Chauvin has been sentenced to 22.5 years in prison. All four former officers also face federal charges that they violated Floyd’s civil rights.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/...&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

 

[KingKhanWC]

^ I dont think the others are guilty, esp those keeping an eye out.

But I think they will be found guilty, jury is too emotionally attached and brainwashed by the media.

 

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Ex-police officers guilty in George Floyd death

Three ex-Minneapolis policemen present at the death of George Floyd denied the unarmed black man of his civil rights, a jury has found.

The officers were charged with showing "deliberate indifference to [Mr Floyd's] serious medical needs" during the attempted arrest in May 2020.

Tou Thao, 36, J Alexander Kueng, 28, and Thomas Lane, 38, all testified in their own defence in the trial.

They said they did not realise Mr Floyd needed medical care at the time.

Violating a person's civil rights carries various punishments but prosecutors have recommended 25 years in federal prison for each man.

Derek Chauvin, the former police officer who was filmed kneeling on Mr Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes, is currently serving a 22-and-a-half-year sentence.

Chauvin was found guilty of Mr Floyd's murder last April. He also pleaded guilty in December to his own federal civil rights charges as part of a plea agreement.

Video footage of the arrest shows Keung and Lane assisting Chauvin by helping to hold Mr Floyd down. Thao, meanwhile, kept concerned bystanders away.

Over four weeks of testimony, prosecutors argued that "human decency and common sense" should have compelled the men to take action to prevent Mr Floyd's death.

"It wasn't a split-second use of force like a gunshot. Not 30 seconds, not a minute, several minutes - 569 seconds," said Assistant US Attorney Manda Sertich.

But lawyers for the defence claimed they were listening to a commander with seniority.

Chauvin was a field training officer to both Lane and Kueng.

When asked why he did not tell Chauvin to get his knee off Mr Floyd's neck, Officer Thao testified: "I think I would trust a 19-year veteran to figure it out."

A 12-person jury deliberated for about 13 hours before returning their verdict on Thursday.

In June, the trio of defendants will be back, this time in state court, to face criminal charges for aiding and abetting Chauvin's actions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60512531

 

[James]

<b>Derek Chauvin sentenced to 20 years for violating George Floyd's rights</b>

Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin has been sentenced to more than 20 years in prison for violating George Floyd's civil rights.

Chauvin, 46, pleaded guilty to the separate federal civil rights charges in December.

He is already serving a 22-year state prison sentence for the on-duty murder of Mr Floyd, a 46-year-old black man.

The two sentences will run concurrently and Chauvin will now be moved to a federal prison.

But he will almost certainly spend more time behind bars following the sentencing.

His sentence is due to be followed by five years of supervised release.

"George's life matters," Mr Floyd's brother, Philonese, said in court on Thursday as he asked the judge to impose the maximum sentence of 25 years.

Chauvin, who is white, was convicted on murder and manslaughter charges in Minnesota for kneeling on Mr Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes.

The killing - captured on a bystander's phone camera - sparked global outrage and a wave of demonstrations against racial injustice and police use of force.

The federal charges against Chauvin included two counts for depriving Mr Floyd of his rights by kneeling on his neck as he was in handcuffs, and by failing to provide medical care during the May 2020 arrest.

As part of the plea agreement, Chauvin also pleaded guilty to violating the rights of a then-14-year-old boy during another arrest that took place in 2017.

According to the indictment, Chauvin held the boy by the throat, hit him in the head with a flashlight and held his knee on the boy's neck and upper back while he was handcuffed and not resisting.

Like Mr Floyd, this boy was black.

Prosecutors said that unreleased bodycam footage showed Chauvin kneeling on the boy's back for 17 minutes while he cried out for his mother.

When Chauvin pleaded guilty, prosecutors asked that he serve his sentence concurrently with his murder sentence.

He had been facing life in prison if we were to be convicted at a second criminal trial.

In court on Thursday, his lawyer requested a sentence of 20 years, saying that he showed respect for the legal process during his trial and is not at risk of repeating his offenses.

Addressing the court for what is likely to be his final legal hearing for years, Chauvin said that the judge had a difficult decision, given the "politically charged environment," and recognised that the court strives for fairness.

Addressing Mr Floyd's children, some of whom were present in court, Chauvin said that he wishes them "all the best in their life" and that they have "excellent guidance in becoming good adults". He did not apologise.

"For your actions, you must be held accountable," Judge Paul Magnuson said before handing down the sentence.

He concluded the 35-minute hearing by wishing Chauvin "the very best in his future".

BBC

 

[MenInG]

A former Minneapolis police officer who knelt on George Floyd's back has been sentenced to three-and-a-half years in prison for his role in Mr Floyd's death.

J Alexander Kueng pleaded guilty to a state charge of aiding and abetting second-degree manslaughter in October.

He was one of four officers involved in the arrest, filmed by bystanders, of the 46-year-old.

Mr Floyd was killed by police in May 2020 while lying prone and handcuffed.

His death sparked global outrage and a wave of demonstrations against racial injustice and police use of force.

Kueng will serve his new sentence for state charges concurrently with a previous federal sentence for violating Mr Floyd's civil rights.

BBC

 

[BouncerGuy]

A former Minneapolis police officer convicted of murdering George Floyd has been stabbed in prison, according to an official.

Derek Chauvin was attacked by another inmate while in prison in Arizona, according to a law enforcement official familiar with the incident.

The US Bureau of Prisons confirmed an inmate had been assaulted at the Federal Correctional Institution (FCI) in Tucson at around 12.30pm local time on Friday.

In a statement, the agency said prison staff performed "life-saving measures", before the inmate, who it did not name, was taken to a hospital for further treatment and evaluation.

The FBI said it was aware of an assault at the prison - though it also did not name anyone involved.

Chauvin, 47, was sent to FCI Tucson from a maximum-security Minnesota state prison in August 2022 to serve a 22-year sentence for the second-degree murder of Mr Floyd.

He was also sentenced to a concurrent 21-year sentence for violating Mr Floyd's civil rights.

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[BouncerGuy]

So the killer gets attacked in the prison. Prison crimes have been a problem in these states and need to be controlled for the safety of the inmates even tough they are criminals but justice has to prevail anyways.

 

[BouncerGuy]

A former Minneapolis police officer jailed over the murder of George Floyd is "expected to survive" after being stabbed by a fellow inmate, according to officials.

Derek Chauvin was "seriously injured" during the attack in a prison in Arizona on Friday, according to a law enforcement source familiar with the incident.

SOURCE: SKY NEWS

 

[Saj]

The reality is that he will always be a target in prison.

There will always be plenty of inmates who will want to kill him and be known as the man who killed Chauvin.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Derek Chauvin: George Floyd's killer was stabbed 22 times with 'improvised knife' by former mafia member

Derek Chauvin - the ex-police officer jailed over the murder of George Floyd - was stabbed 22 times with an "improvised knife" in prison, it has emerged.

Fellow inmate John Turscak has been charged with attempted murder following the attack on 24 November, which was Black Friday.

The 52-year-old, a former member of the Mexican Mafia, told FBI agents he attacked Chauvin on that date as a symbolic connection to the Black Lives Matter movement.

He also revealed he had been thinking about targeting Chauvin for over a month - and said he would have killed the high-profile inmate had officers not intervened so quickly.

"Life-saving measures" were performed after the stabbing in the prison library, and Chauvin is "expected to survive".

Turscak has also been charged with three counts of assault and could face an additional 60 years behind bars if convicted. He had been due to complete his current sentence by 2026.

He had led a faction of the Mexican Mafia in Los Angeles during the late 1990s, and went by the nickname "Stranger".

The former gang member later became an FBI informant and recorded conversations with his associates in the hope of receiving a lighter sentence.

Chauvin had been moved to the jail in Tucson, Arizona last August - and at the time, his lawyer had called for him to be kept away from other inmates for his own protection.

The disgraced cop was convicted of second-degree murder and violating George Floyd's civil rights after pressing a knee on his neck for nine-and-a-half minutes outside a store in Minnesota in 2020.

Mr Floyd had been suspected of using a counterfeit $20 (£16) bill, and footage from bystanders captured him telling officers "I can't breathe".

His death sparked protests worldwide and a national reckoning with police brutality and racism.

Chauvin was subsequently sentenced to 22-and-a-half years behind bars, but some members of Mr Floyd's family had argued the jail term was "disappointing" and too short.

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