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This is getting beyond a joke now. He is known to be pro-Palestinian and is sacked for a tweet that is not even remotely Antisemetic.

Unacceptable. Welcome to cancerous Britain.

George Galloway has been sacked by talkRADIO after sending an allegedly anti-Semitic tweet.

The former MP posted on the social media site after the Champions League final between Liverpool and Tottenham on Saturday night.

He praised Liverpool's win, before adding: "No #Israël flags on the Cup!" - appearing to reference Tottenham's strong links with the Jewish community.

On Monday, the radio station said it had terminated his weekly show.

Mr Galloway hit back at his former employer, tweeting: "See you in Court guys."

The original tweet from Mr Galloway on Saturday night saw the former Labour and Respect MP face a backlash on Twitter.

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He defended the comment, claiming a number of Tottenham fans were flying the flag of Israel in the crowd and it showed an affiliation to a "racist state".

But he was accused of being racist himself, including by Tottenham football club itself, which told Sky News the tweet was "blatant anti-Semitism".

On Monday morning, talkRADIO said it had cancelled Mr Galloway's show, adding: "As a fair and balanced news provider, talkRADIO does not tolerate anti-Semitic views."

Taking to Twitter again, Mr Galloway said he'd been given a "red card" by the station for "over-celebrating" Liverpool's success.

Mr Galloway has hosted The Mother of All Talk Shows show since 2016 and has breached Ofcom rules twice - once after discussing anti-Semitism accusations in the Labour Party and once after a show on the Salisbury poisonings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48498010
 
To be honest, speaking as a considerable admirer of George, it was not the greatest comment from him.

George is a skilled rhetorician who is usually very careful in his language, and 99% of the time he is actually a great exponent of it.

But this tweet was ill-considered and seemed to conflate Israel and Jews, which fits numerous definitions of antisemitism.

Whether George should have been fired or not is another matter - feels like a rash decision and it doesn’t sound like he was given much opportunity to clarify his comment.
 
He did not say anything against the Jews at all. Political correctness is going way over the top here by a mile. Spurs are well known to have Jewish roots which is most likely why he made a comment of there being no Israeli flags at the final. I saw a few Palestinian flags amongst the Liverpool fans. Spurs by and large have very few if any Muslim fans.
 
To be honest, speaking as a considerable admirer of George, it was not the greatest comment from him.

George is a skilled rhetorician who is usually very careful in his language, and 99% of the time he is actually a great exponent of it.

But this tweet was ill-considered and seemed to conflate Israel and Jews, which fits numerous definitions of antisemitism.

Whether George should have been fired or not is another matter - feels like a rash decision and it doesn’t sound like he was given much opportunity to clarify his comment.

I agree the comment was a poor one. Basically saying a lot of Tottenham fans who are Jewish have allegiance to Israel. Some may do but you can’t generalise.

That said he should have been told to delete the tweet, not sure this was a sackable offence.
 
I think it was a ridiculous sacking, how is being anti-Israel seen as being anti-semetic? Its the reason Israelis get away from a lot of nonsense by claiming its anti-semetic.
 
To be honest, speaking as a considerable admirer of George, it was not the greatest comment from him.

George is a skilled rhetorician who is usually very careful in his language, and 99% of the time he is actually a great exponent of it.

But this tweet was ill-considered and seemed to conflate Israel and Jews, which fits numerous definitions of antisemitism.

Whether George should have been fired or not is another matter - feels like a rash decision and it doesn’t sound like he was given much opportunity to clarify his comment.

Or conversely the conflation is on the part of those accusing him of antisemitism based on his comment on Israeli flag.

If he had used the words Jews or Jewish in his tweet then the accusation of antisemitism would have made sense, so the only conflation is by those taking Israeli flag to be representative of Jews exclusively.
 
“no Israel flags on the cup”

Lol at you guys defending this...Tottenham has Jewish history so he's done some pathetic conflation here...

Some guys have human rights issues with Israel and call them out for it...and actually consistently take issue with other countries too...

The likes of Galloway only seems to care about human rights when Jews are involved...when you're as obsessed with Israel and their human rights records but then roll with dictators then it's not a good look...
 
Or conversely the conflation is on the part of those accusing him of antisemitism based on his comment on Israeli flag.

If he had used the words Jews or Jewish in his tweet then the accusation of antisemitism would have made sense, so the only conflation is by those taking Israeli flag to be representative of Jews exclusively.

Lol it's an allusion to Tottenham...Jews = Israelis...hence why his antisemitism gets exposed here...
 
Or conversely the conflation is on the part of those accusing him of antisemitism based on his comment on Israeli flag.

If he had used the words Jews or Jewish in his tweet then the accusation of antisemitism would have made sense, so the only conflation is by those taking Israeli flag to be representative of Jews exclusively.

It isn’t always entirely about the actual words that get used. It can also be about the meanings, the context and the tone.

To anyone who is familiar with Tottenham Hotspur’s connection to the sizeable North London Jewish community, George’s tweet can easily read like a conflation of Jews with Israel.
 
On the subject of Galloway heres one of his gems:

“the Zionists” engineered the situation in Ukraine in order to bring “the Nazis” to power and have the Ukrainian Jews “settle in Palestine”.

If I remember right he also accused Israel of giving Al Qaeda chemical weapons...
 
Just seen this now. As a regular listener to his weekly show, I'm very saddened to be honest.

I don't put much stock in these supposed anti-Semitic tweets of his, but unfortunately this is the climate of political correctness we currently live in and George should have known better.

I just hope some other radio station gives him a slot, but I doubt that will happen. Talkradio was tailor-made for him.
 
It isn’t always entirely about the actual words that get used. It can also be about the meanings, the context and the tone.

To anyone who is familiar with Tottenham Hotspur’s connection to the sizeable North London Jewish community, George’s tweet can easily read like a conflation of Jews with Israel.

Yep. Clumsy and insensitive use of language rather than antisemitism, I would say.
 
It isn’t always entirely about the actual words that get used. It can also be about the meanings, the context and the tone.

To anyone who is familiar with Tottenham Hotspur’s connection to the sizeable North London Jewish community, George’s tweet can easily read like a conflation of Jews with Israel.

The conflation began with those Tottenham fans waving Israel flags during the match. It was them that started the conflation of Jews and Israel. This is specifically what George was referencing in his tweets. I don't know if those flag wavers were Jews themselves, but if they were then it all seems abit hypocritical to me.
 
The conflation began with those Tottenham fans waving Israel flags during the match. It was them that started the conflation of Jews and Israel. This is specifically what George was referencing in his tweets. I don't know if those flag wavers were Jews themselves, but if they were then it all seems abit hypocritical to me.

The why say 'flags on the trophy'

It's not like those fans will be lifting the trophy...he's labeling the club...

And he's gloating about Liverpool beating Spurs...he's insulting the club...
 
The why say 'flags on the trophy'

It's not like those fans will be lifting the trophy...he's labeling the club...

And he's gloating about Liverpool beating Spurs...he's insulting the club...

As I said in my earlier post, George should have been more careful with his words. He, more than most, should have known how his words would be construed even if he wasn't necessarily being anti-Semitic.

I just find it abit rich, those people criticising George for conflating Jews with Israel, when you had Spurs fans doing the same thing, but they get a free pass of course. It seems to me you can conflate the two as long as it is done in a positive light, but as soon as someone does so in a critical manner you have some idiots whining about anti-Semitism. You can't have it both ways.
 
“no Israel flags on the cup”

Lol at you guys defending this...Tottenham has Jewish history so he's done some pathetic conflation here...

Some guys have human rights issues with Israel and call them out for it...and actually consistently take issue with other countries too...

The likes of Galloway only seems to care about human rights when Jews are involved...when you're as obsessed with Israel and their human rights records but then roll with dictators then it's not a good look...

There are Israeli flags at every Spurs game. Stating a fact here
 
There are Israeli flags at every Spurs game. Stating a fact here

Saying the word 'fact' doesn't make something a fact...non-Jewish Spurs will happily admit that that just is patently not true...you're more likely to find Korean flags :)
 
They also sing pro-israel and anti-palestinian songs at every match. This is another fact.

Really now?...

Can you tell me the words to these pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian songs?...since of course the discussion is about facts...
 
To basically put that claim to bed...the guy above is clearly not from London nor has met any Spurs fans...not been to any games...

If there were any pro-Israel chants or anti-Palestinian chants they would be on Youtube...or posted somewhere...

Spurs chants arent remotely political ...and neither is their Jewishness...

You're slandering the club now...I hope you can back this up with some evidence...
 
Its not allegedly anti Semitic, it clearly is.

And I despise Israel and its actions.
 
Good to see this conspiracy theorist facing consequences for once.
 
Lol i'm still waiting in anticipation for the two guys chatting about facts about Spurs to actually produce some form of evidence...

Not even Arsenal fans would play that card :) ...
 
Galloway has said far worse on his radio shows , tv shows & in written articles & rightly so . Talksport has ignored this yet sacked him this tweet ? GG has always been a target of the Zionist machine who want to silence any criticism of their terrorist , extremist & barbaric entity known as Israel .

As for Spurs , it’s ironic their own supporters sing anti Semitic songs lol

Most Spurs fans are not Jews & many are also disgusted by Israel, so GG shouldn’t have wrote the tweet for this reason . However the owners are Zionist supporters , so he was being factual.

Don’t worry Galloway Liverpool & Celtic are no supporters of Israel & will dominate the likes of Spurs & Rangers forever

Btw Israel should not be allowed to be part of any European sporting competitions because it’s not in a Europe but in the Middle East and a temp entity.
 
Lol whatever your views are on Israel there are better guys than Galloway to make that point...

Even his response to Alan Sugar is the standard Jews and money trope...

Had a chat with a couple of my Spurs mates about your point... Non Jews... And they laughed at your comment... Joe lewis sees them as a business and never even goes to games... Levy they don't know...

What do you know about them being Zionist supporters?... Or are these just more 'facts' like the guy who claims spurs sing pro Israel songs...

The bit I did agree with is many spurs fans are not Jewish...
 
Any supporter of Israel or defender of their crimes against humanity is a low life , pathetic human being who is no better than a occupying soldier standing on someone’s else’s land & pointing at gun at them. I think it’s best not even debate these Zionist lap dogs as GG has often done .

Again Spurs fan themselves sing what many anti Semitic Jews organisations believe to be racist , anti Semite songs . You can’t make this up lol

Most Spurs fans are ignorant of their owners. I’m not going to educate the scm Zionists but if they look into the life of Joe Lewis & his associates, it’s not hard to find out they are close to the terrorist state known as Israel .

There were Israeli flags at the stadium in the Spurs end & Palestine 🇵🇸 flags in the Liverpool end . We beat the Zionist owned club & there are no Israeli ribbons on the trophy’, a magnificent night of was too .

The Jewish owners are tight , this is a fact yet some clown will start crying anti Semitism lol . If they continue their ways , Spurs won’t be in the top 4 & good IMO .
 
What was anti semitic about it? He tells it like it is.
I quite enjoy Galloway sometimes.
 
If they applied the same standards to anti-Muslim dog whistle statements there'd be a lot of people writing for the national media in trouble. By all means call it if you think there is something anti-semitic in this tweet, but then we need to see these same standards applied across the board, and as we have seen with the opposition to adoption of the term Islamophobia, that isn't the case.
 
Am I to presume KKWC that you boycotted your team in '07-10?...

How do you feel about your club having had probably Israel's three most iconic players play for your club in Cohen, Rosenthal and Benayoun?...

The amusing thing about your rant is Spurs aren't even on the radar in Israel...Liverpool is the side that Israelis like more...Chelsea and Arsenal are more popular too...

I decided to do a bit of a digging into Joe Lewis...and lol the only two sources who speak about Lewis ad they are a conspiracy website Mintpress and conspiracy theorist Thierry Myssen...lol the equivalent of reading about Muslims on Breitbart :) ...what you gonna quote next 'Mondoweiss'...

If I have underestimated your ability to choose impartial sources then by all means show me this clear Zionist link between Spurs and Israel...

Lol you are hilarious though...claiming moral superiority cos you support a football team :) ...
 
Does anyone seriously believe that Spurs has some genuine link with the state of Israel other than the craziest white nationalist groups? Even if there is Jewish ownership of the club, it's no different from Arab ownership of Man City. Man City hasn't become a Muslim club, and as far as I'm aware, Spurs hasn't become a Jewish one, no matter how many EDL types sing songs about Yids.
 
To be honest, speaking as a considerable admirer of George, it was not the greatest comment from him.

George is a skilled rhetorician who is usually very careful in his language, and 99% of the time he is actually a great exponent of it.

But this tweet was ill-considered and seemed to conflate Israel and Jews, which fits numerous definitions of antisemitism.

Whether George should have been fired or not is another matter - feels like a rash decision and it doesn’t sound like he was given much opportunity to clarify his comment.

You are the one doing the conflation.

It is quite simple.

He mentioned Israel.

You are mentioning Jews.
 
The incredible irony here is that Murdoch owned Talk Radio has sacked Galloway for 'antisemitism' (which isn't antisemitism it's anti-zionism)

So there is a legal case now for : Wrongful Dismissal and a case for Defamation

PLUS Murdoch has himself indulged in real antisemitic tropes e.g.

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You are the one doing the conflation.

It is quite simple.

He mentioned Israel.

You are mentioning Jews.

It's quite simple...

What has Israel got to do with Tottenham?...
 
It's commonly known amongst football fans that some of the Spurs fans fly Israel flags at matches. It is quite abhorrent for anybody to want to associate with that racist Apartheid state.
 
Does anyone seriously believe that Spurs has some genuine link with the state of Israel other than the craziest white nationalist groups? Even if there is Jewish ownership of the club, it's no different from Arab ownership of Man City. Man City hasn't become a Muslim club, and as far as I'm aware, Spurs hasn't become a Jewish one, no matter how many EDL types sing songs about Yids.

Israel & Spurs wanted to host home Israeli matches in the London stadium . They realised the authorities wouldn’t allow this and gave up. This proves a link , a strong link .

Celtic fly Palestinian flags , if anyone tweeted something similar regarding them nobody would care . As usual the Zionist terrorists & their immoral disgusting supporters are playing the victim card in order to hide their crimes against humanity . It’s as simple as this , always is .
 
It's commonly known amongst football fans that some of the Spurs fans fly Israel flags at matches. It is quite abhorrent for anybody to want to associate with that racist Apartheid state.

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You are the one doing the conflation.

It is quite simple.

He mentioned Israel.

You are mentioning Jews.

Er yeah....or more accurately, no.

George is a widely acknowledged connoisseur of 20th century history and culture. He is broadly knowledgeable and highly intelligent. Even his detractors agree with this.

I therefore refuse to believe that, with George being George, he possessed zero awareness of the stink he would kick up by tweeting “No Israel flags on the cup!” straight after Spurs - a club with very well-known ties to the sizeable North London Jewish community - had lost the Champions League final. Global Twitter traffic would also have been at a maximum during this time - George will have also known this.

The ultimate truth is that George is much too bright to hide behind counter-allegations that he has been stitched up here and his words have been twisted. He knew exactly what he was doing, and the impact that NOT the words themselves, BUT the contextualised meaning of the words, would have.
 
This thread actually has little to do with Israel at all...

Just reaching claims of a clear link between Israel and Spurs...

So far the following has been claimed without basis...

- spurs fans make anti Palestinian and pro Israel chants...

- spurs fans always bring Israel flags... So a few fans bring flags... More likely to see Korean flags actually

- Joe lewis apparently is a massive supporter of Zionism... A claim with no proof provided

- now further scraping of the bottom of the barrel... Israeli FA couldn't play games at home and in what 2004 asked if they could play games at White Hart Lane cos the area has a large Jewish population... Firstly Spurs said no... And secondly even if they said yes its not indicative of anything other than a business decision...

Go see the furore that your own club made when it was alleged that you were considering a sponsorship deal with an Israeli company...

Or the fact that KKWC you were cheering on Benayoun...

Sometimes just take a step back and accept you were chatting rubbish...
 
Don’t quote me or mention me . You support Israel a terrorist entity in every fashion & im disgusted by anyone who spends time defending it .

Yes Israel wanted to play at Spurs ground but have no connection. lol

Respect to GG and Tamils from east London .
 
But you support a team that signed Benayoun...

Lol your club even had 1 minutes of applause to commemorate Avi Cohens death...

Seems your club is cool with Israelis... Your moaning about a small minority of fans with flags while your club has embraced Israelis with open arms...

You still haven't answered how it is you justified supporting your club while it had Benayoun...

And your point about playing at Tottenham is so full of holes... Sizeable Jewish community in the area... That was the reason behind the choice... And Spurs said no anyway...

You still haven't come up with anything on Lewis...

Forget me you have attempted to misrepresent a club... But it makes sense that you resort to ad hominem cos your points have no basis
 
But you support a team that signed Benayoun...

Lol your club even had 1 minutes of applause to commemorate Avi Cohens death...

Seems your club is cool with Israelis... Your moaning about a small minority of fans with flags while your club has embraced Israelis with open arms...

You still haven't answered how it is you justified supporting your club while it had Benayoun...

And your point about playing at Tottenham is so full of holes... Sizeable Jewish community in the area... That was the reason behind the choice... And Spurs said no anyway...

You still haven't come up with anything on Lewis...

Forget me you have attempted to misrepresent a club... But it makes sense that you resort to ad hominem cos your points have no basis

He is never an arm length's away from hypocrisy. If his stance against Israel had any credibility, he would have stopped supporting Liverpool after they signed Benayoun. Unfortunately, it is too inconvenient for him.
 
He is never an arm length's away from hypocrisy. If his stance against Israel had any credibility, he would have stopped supporting Liverpool after they signed Benayoun. Unfortunately, it is too inconvenient for him.

lol Unlike you I actually go to the matches , not a plastic fan sitting thousands of miles away from the club you claim to support . I’m not going to boycott my club over one Israeli player. He was an average player & at that time LFC were at a low point with not enough funds to compete with other bigs clubs. No Israeli player will sign again because none are good enough to play for the most successful club in English football. Benayoun didn’t mention or promote Israel at his time at the club & played less than 100 matches.

Do you have anything to say on the topic ? Do you also believe Israel has a right to bomb schools because the children will grow up to be terrorists as you feel India has a right to bomb schools in Pakistan ?

Not going to take lesson on ethnics from you lol
 
He is never an arm length's away from hypocrisy. If his stance against Israel had any credibility, he would have stopped supporting Liverpool after they signed Benayoun. Unfortunately, it is too inconvenient for him.

Well since he goes to games I wonder if he gave applause to commemorate Avi Cohen following his passing...

And yep the Benayoun thing shows the hypocrisy especially considering this whole thread he has been trying to attack Spurs... I'm sure when they drew 4-4 against Arsenal he was busy being appalled about the Israeli playing for his side...

And don't take his bait on discussing Israel... Its just diversionary from the very fact that he's trying to malign Spurs...

The thread isn't a discussion about Israel... Its about the claim that Spurs are an Israeli club... Which he and the others have failed to show despite the fact that this is a 'fact'...
 
He is never an arm length's away from hypocrisy. If his stance against Israel had any credibility, he would have stopped supporting Liverpool after they signed Benayoun. Unfortunately, it is too inconvenient for him.

lol Unlike you I actually go to the matches , not a plastic fan sitting thousands of miles away from the club you claim to support . I’m not going to boycott my club over one Israeli player. He was an average player & at that time LFC were at a low point with not enough funds to compete with other bigs clubs. No Israeli player will sign again because none are good enough to play for the most successful club in English football. Benayoun didn’t mention or promote Israel at his time at the club & played less than 100 matches.

Do you have anything to say on the topic ? Do you also believe Israel has a right to bomb schools because the children will grow up to be terrorists as you feel India has a right to bomb schools in Pakistan ?

Not going to take lesson on ethnics from you lol

Lol gotta love your alternative facts...

He played for you guys 134 times... And scored 29 times for you...

https://youtu.be/vnr00nc0cK4

Im sure you remember this one...

Benayoun played for Israel while he was at your club...

Your point about not signing Israeli players cos they aren't good enough means what exactly?...that if there was a player good enough then you would sign them... I agree with that but it doesn't support your position... Moanes Dabour was one of your links not that long ago...

And you go to matches... Even worse... You support club with funds that bought an Israeli player...

Were you at the game that commemorated Avi Cohen?... Did you give your applause?...

Your idealism is simply behind a keyboard... And stick to topic... This isn't a discussion about Israel... Its about you attempting to malign Spurs with baseless 'facts'... while suggesting you support a more moral club...

A club that has been the home of the three best Israeli players to have played...
 
Anyway I guess it's not surprising to see youre disingenuous when discussing football too...

So you claimed you signed Benayoun at a crisis point for your club where you had no money...

You signed Torres that same season for 38m lol... You spent more than Chelsea did on transfers :)

So yeah a real struggle for your club... You were delighted to have landed Benayoun at 5m...

And your attempts to denigrate him as some bit part player for you... He played almost every game for you for the 3 seasons he was there... And yep not under 100 games as you mentioned... Another lie of yours...

So what of this crisis period...

07/08 you got the CL semi final and finished 4th in the league...

08/09 you were 2nd... And qf of the CL... I hope you booed Benayoun when he scored at the Bernabeu...

09/10 was your poor season... And then he signed for Chelsea...

It's incredible how almost everything you say is a lie...
 
Supporters of State terrorism trying to win an argument by suggesting a Liverpool fan cannot criticise these crimes because the club has featured a few Israeli players out of thousands in its history. lol But understandable as no intelligent person would justify such crimes. It’s embarrassing even engaging with such people.
 
Supporters of State terrorism trying to win an argument by suggesting a Liverpool fan cannot criticise these crimes because the club has featured a few Israeli players out of thousands in its history. lol But understandable as no intelligent person would justify such crimes. It’s embarrassing even engaging with such people.

Lol the fact that you keep talking about Israeli 'crimes' is you continuously diverting...stick to the topic...

Well you're making a fuss over a few flags...if you had actually been good enough to win a Trophy back then you would have actually had Israeli hands on the cup :) ...

Claiming moral superiority over Israel cos youre a Liverpool fan is the topic of discussion here...

You haven't been able to come up with a single relevant point on Spurs...

And have also exposed your own hypocrisy by supporting a club that has had 3 Israeli players...
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Your hypocrisy has been thoroughly exposed. You are not going to give up your support for Liverpool because they signed an Israeli player, because your anti-Israel stance has no credibility.

Your love for something trivial like football is greater than than your empathy for the Palestinians, so please don’t give others lecturers and stop criticizing Spurs.

If Liverpool cared about Palestine, they would not have signed Benayoun in 2007, and because you go to watch matches, your money has helped fund his signing.

Anyway, if you have no problem with your tax money funding the War on Terror, I suppose you have no problem with your money funding the signing of an Israeli player.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Your hypocrisy has been thoroughly exposed. You are not going to give up your support for Liverpool because they signed an Israeli player, because your anti-Israel stance has no credibility.

Your love for something trivial like football is greater than than your empathy for the Palestinians, so please don’t give others lecturers and stop criticizing Spurs.

If Liverpool cared about Palestine, they would not have signed Benayoun in 2007, and because you go to watch matches, your money has helped fund his signing.

Anyway, if you have no problem with your tax money funding the War on Terror, I suppose you have no problem with your money funding the signing of an Israeli player.

Lol you are embarrassing yourself as you do on a daily basis . Firstly you don’t know my views on boycott . It’s not possible to fully boycott anything to do with Israel . You want India to bomb Pakistani school children while Zionist posters on here support Israeli crimes & likely smile when a child is shot dead. You and them have no credibility at and certainly no right to accuse others of anything. Your views are treasonous.

Ok for argument sake I agree I’m a hypocrite because I support a team which had a couple of Israel players many years ago now .

But the difference between us is I stand up against murder of children, you and the Zionist support kids being murdered.
 
Lol you are embarrassing yourself as you do on a daily basis . Firstly you don’t know my views on boycott . It’s not possible to fully boycott anything to do with Israel . You want India to bomb Pakistani school children while Zionist posters on here support Israeli crimes & likely smile when a child is shot dead. You and them have no credibility at and certainly no right to accuse others of anything. Your views are treasonous.

Ok for argument sake I agree I’m a hypocrite because I support a team which had a couple of Israel players many years ago now .

But the difference between us is I stand up against murder of children, you and the Zionist support kids being murdered.

Yawn... Again deflection... This isn't a discussion about Israeli policies... Can you just admit the following:

Spurs are not supporters of Israel or Zionism as you have claimed.

The issue is you maligning a football club while claiming your own as a paragon or morality.

Football clubs are a business. It's quite simple really.
 
Any supporter of Israel or defender of their crimes against humanity is a low life , pathetic human being who is no better than a occupying soldier standing on someone’s else’s land & pointing at gun at them. I think it’s best not even debate these Zionist lap dogs as GG has often done .

Again Spurs fan themselves sing what many anti Semitic Jews organisations believe to be racist , anti Semite songs . You can’t make this up lol

Most Spurs fans are ignorant of their owners. I’m not going to educate the scm Zionists but if they look into the life of Joe Lewis & his associates, it’s not hard to find out they are close to the terrorist state known as Israel .

There were Israeli flags at the stadium in the Spurs end & Palestine 🇵🇸 flags in the Liverpool end . We beat the Zionist owned club & there are no Israeli ribbons on the trophy’, a magnificent night of was too .

The Jewish owners are tight , this is a fact yet some clown will start crying anti Semitism lol . If they continue their ways , Spurs won’t be in the top 4 & good IMO .

You’ll actually have to read a book before you think about “educating” anyone.

Unless the books you read only have smilies, lols and Islamaphobe printed on every line.

Would you call yourself anti-Semitic?
 
You’ll actually have to read a book before you think about “educating” anyone.

Unless the books you read only have smilies, lols and Islamaphobe printed on every line.

Would you call yourself anti-Semitic?

Arabs are also Semitic , try reading a book yourself first . The actual term shouldn’t even be referred to Jews only.

Remind a Zionist what they are supporting & their response is yawn , this is the level of such human beings. They won’t even bother defending themselves as they are proud to support Israel crimes ,

You tell them Israel shouldn’t be killing children &!they accuse you of anti semitism . Scm
 
Arabs are also Semitic , try reading a book yourself first . The actual term shouldn’t even be referred to Jews only.

Remind a Zionist what they are supporting & their response is yawn , this is the level of such human beings. They won’t even bother defending themselves as they are proud to support Israel crimes ,

You tell them Israel shouldn’t be killing children &!they accuse you of anti semitism . Scm

Genius!

Hopefully, I’ll be as erudite as you. More than happy to dissect all the material both of us have read on any subject. Ball is in your court.

Once again, even though it’s clearly evident that you are an incredibly “intelligent” individual, the following;

- I believe / I haven’t ever seen
- lol
- 😀😝
- islamaphobe
-Zionist

Don’t constitute valid, fact based counter points.

Did I say Arabs weren’t? What relevance does this have to the question asked?

How can you educate if you can’t even decipher questions that are asked?

Once again resorting to your standard ad hominem.

Can you clarify who you are referring to as a Zionist?
 
Genius!

Hopefully, I’ll be as erudite as you. More than happy to dissect all the material both of us have read on any subject. Ball is in your court.

Once again, even though it’s clearly evident that you are an incredibly “intelligent” individual, the following;

- I believe / I haven’t ever seen
- lol
- 😀😝
- islamaphobe
-Zionist

Don’t constitute valid, fact based counter points.

Did I say Arabs weren’t? What relevance does this have to the question asked?

How can you educate if you can’t even decipher questions that are asked?

Once again resorting to your standard ad hominem.

Can you clarify who you are referring to as a Zionist?

He is referring to me...

As for defending myself...this isn't a discussion about Israel's foreign policy but a discussion about Spurs supporting Zionism...

There are plenty of people worthy of having a nuanced conversation with on this topic... But as you can probably imagine KKWC with his constant ad hominem attacks isn't worthy of that... Or in fact capable of that...

In short anyone who doesn't believe Hamas are amazing is an evil Zionist...

Anyone who doesn't believe that Israelis should all leave is an evil Zionist...

Someone who is shockingly badly read... And incapable of constructing a coherent argument unfortunately...who simply relies on insults... And doesn't understand the difference between an interpretation and a fact...
 
He's back! The left-wing firebrand and Celtic FC fanatic George Galloway has now scored a hat-trick of election victories over Labour, the party he represented in parliament for 16 years.

After ousting Oona King in Bethnal Green and Bow in 2005 and a winning spectacular by-election victory in Bradford West in 2012, he has now done the treble with a stunning and controversial triumph in Rochdale.

His majority over an independent candidate, David Tully, was a comfortable 5,697, with the Conservatives third, Liberal Democrats fourth and the disowned Labour candidate Azhar Ali fifth.

The polls had been closed for less than an hour when the Galloway team claimed victory here. "We've won - comfortably," a source close to his campaign told Sky News before 11pm. How right they were. It was indeed comfortable.

In a rousing victory speech, he denounced Labour and the Conservatives as "two cheeks of the same backside" and claimed he had put Sir Keir Starmer on notice.

He declared with characteristic Galloway passion: "Starmer, this is for Gaza. You have paid, and you will pay, a high price for the role you have played in enabling, encouraging and covering for the catastrophe currently going on in occupied Palestine in the Gaza Strip."

He relentlessly targeted his former party during the campaign. One leaflet, showing a pugilistic Mr Galloway in his trademark fedora with raised fists and a glum-looking Labour leader, said: "It's George Galloway or Keir Starmer's Labour in Rochdale.

Another was headlined: "For Rochdale, for Gaza." It went on: "The people of Gaza don't have a vote in this election - you do."

And it concluded: "This election is a straight choice between George who will fight for Palestine and the people of Rochdale - and Keir Starmer, who will fight for Israel."

But of course, strictly speaking, it wasn't Sir Keir's Labour Party he was fighting. The Labour candidate, Azhar Ali, was disowned by his party on 13 February after comments he made about the Hamas attacks on Israel at a meeting in Lancashire.

"The Egyptians are saying that they warned Israel 10 days earlier… Americans warned them a day before… there's something happening," the Mail on Sunday reported him saying.

"They deliberately took the security off, they allowed... that massacre gives them the green light to do whatever they bloody want."

Dismissed by the Labour leadership as a wild and antisemitic conspiracy theory, Mr Ali apologised and was dumped a few days later. But it was too late for Sir Keir to repair the damage.

Nominations had closed, which meant he was still the candidate and his name - beginning, fortuitously for him, with the letter A - remained at the top of the ballot paper.

Fat lot of good it did him, as he was pushed into fifth place, behind Mr Galloway, political virgin Mr Tully, the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.

For Reform UK, also, it was a night to forget, with the former Labour MP for Rochdale Simon Danczuk coming a humiliating sixth, after recent good performances in by-elections that gave Rishi Sunak and the Tories the jitters.

There will be relief in the Tory high command at Reform UK's poor showing here. For once, after a by-election, Mr Sunak will be relieved and Sir Keir horrified.

Before the result was declared, Reform UK's leader Richard Tice launched a blistering attack live on Sky News on Mr Danczuk's opponents. Though he didn't name names, he appeared to be accusing Mr Galloway's supporters and those of Mr Ali.

He said Mr Danczuk had faced "vile racist abuse and death threats". His party's staff had been intimidated, and they'd had to hire security guards. Business supporters had been threatened with being firebombed and there had been intimidation at polling stations, he claimed.

But in an interview with Sky News immediately after his victory speech, Mr Galloway denied any wrongdoing and said it was his supporters who had faced intimidation during the campaign.

ROCHDALE BY-ELECTION FULL RESULT
George Galloway - Workers Party of Britain - 12,335
David Tully - Independent - 6,638
Paul Ellison - Conservative - 3,731
Azhar Ali - Labour - 2,402
Iain Donaldson - Liberal Democrat - 2,164
Simon Danczuk - Reform - 1,968
William Howart - Independent - 523
Mark Coleman - Independent - 455
Guy Otten - Green - 436
Michael Howarth - Independent - 246
Ravin Rodent Subortna - Monster Raving Loony - 209

Mr Tice also challenged the legitimacy of the very high number of postal votes cast, a claim his friend and predecessor Nigel Farage has been making in by-elections for years.

For Labour, meanwhile, when it holds its inquest into the debacle of this by-election, it will reflect on how what should have been a routine by-election win in a relatively safe seat turned into Sir Keir's worst nightmare - a win for George Galloway.

If the Labour leader thinks he gets a hard time now from the SNP's Westminster leader Stephen Flynn and the Corbynite Labour left over the Israel-Hamas ceasefire row, wait until the ferocious Galloway starts tearing into him in the Commons chamber.

Top of the agenda for the Labour inquest will be to identify which idiot decided to hold the by-election in such an unseemly rush after the death of veteran MP and party stalwart Sir Tony Lloyd.

There used to be a convention that a party waited until after the funeral of an MP who'd died before starting moves to select a candidate or plan for the by-election.

Yet here Labour threw convention out of the window and moved with indecent haste. Sir Tony died on 17 January and Mr Ali was selected, defeating political journalist Paul Waugh, just 10 days later, on 27 January.

Sir Tony's funeral, however, was not until 16 February, three days after Sir Keir had been forced to jettison Mr Ali after allegations from opponents that the Labour leader dithered over how to respond to the Mail on Sunday's initial report.


It's not as if Labour hasn't made this blunder before. In Hartlepool in 2021, Labour MP Mike Hill resigned on 18 March after sexual harassment allegations and Labour raced ahead with the by-election on 6 May, the same day as the local elections.

Then, Labour's would-be candidates were only given one day to submit their applications and there were allegations of a stitch-up. The by-election was a disaster, with the Tories' Jill Mortimer winning in a "red wall" triumph for the Conservatives.

Sir Keir responded then by sacking chief whip Nick Brown and attempting to sideline his deputy, Angela Rayner, in a clumsy reshuffle, perhaps forgetting that she was elected to her position by the party and couldn't be sacked.

There will, surely, be more recriminations after Rochdale, which for the maverick known as "Gorgeous George", this morning is indeed a beautiful new dawn.

There's a real risk now that Mr Galloway will carry out his threat to stand up to 50 pro-ceasefire, anti-Israel candidates against Labour in the general election.

Chris Williamson, a Corbynite Labour ex-MP who was here at the Rochdale count supporting Mr Galloway, has told Sky News he hopes to be selected to fight the retiring grandee Margaret Beckett's Derby South seat at the general election.

So it's not just an election hat-trick that Mr Galloway is celebrating. He hopes to score more victories over his former party later this year, as he also declared in his victory speech.

But amid all the controversy of this campaign, Mr Galloway also claims to have made history in an even more grand manner with his victory here in Rochdale.

In his Sky News interview, he said it was his seventh parliamentary election victory in four different cities, which equals the record of Winston Churchill.

On level terms with Churchill? Modesty has never been Mr Galloway's style, of course.

But after this hat-trick of election victories for the controversial left-wing firebrand, Sir Keir Starmer should be very, very worried indeed.

SKY
 
George has lost the plot recently but knows how to tap into public sentiment for his own benefit.

He turns into a royalist to win votes from Scottish Unionists and leans slightly right wing when it suits him. He will also lurch back to the left when trying to court ex Cobyn supporters.

One thing that never changes is his commitment to the Palestinian people. I hope he gives the Tories a good thumping in Parliament.
 
Galloway ran 'one of most divisive campaigns we've seen' in Rochdale

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is in Aberdeenshire today, where he was asked about the results of the Rochdale by-election.

Workers Party candidate George Galloway is the constituency's new MP after gaining around 40% of the vote overnight.

Mr Sunak said: "It was very concerning to see the reports of intimidation through the by-election, and by all accounts one of the most divisive campaigns that we've seen in recent times.

"I'm pleased that the Conservative Party is the only party to run a really positive campaign, focused on local issues with a great local candidate in Paul Ellison."

Asked if he would welcome Mr Galloway back to the Commons, Mr Sunak dodged the question.

'Galloway only won because Labour didn't stand'
We've just heard from Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, who is reacting to criticism levelled against him by Rochdale by-election winner George Galloway today.

Asked if he accepts it is Labour's fault that Mr Galloway is back in the Commons, Sir Keir said: "Galloway only won because Labour didn't stand a candidate.

"I regret that we had to withdraw our candidate, I apologise to voters in Rochdale, but I took that decision - it was the right decision - and when I say I've changed the Labour Party, I mean it.

"Obviously, we will put a first class candidate, a unifier before the voters in Rochdale at the general election."
 
He didn’t do anything for the people of Bethnal Green or Bradford.

Galloway just jumps on the current crisis bandwagon.

Foolish people of Rochdale voting for this time waster.
 

Is Rishi awake now?​

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PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart' in Downing Street address​

The Tory leader stresses the need to "beat this poison" and describes the Rochdale by-election result as "beyond alarming", amid heightened community tensions fuelled by the Israel-Hamas conflict.

In response, Mr Galloway told Sky News he "despised" the prime minister and did not care what he thought as he had won "a free and fair election".

Community tensions in the UK have heightened against the backdrop of the Israel-Hamas conflict, triggered by the militant attack on 7 October.

In the face of ongoing pro-Palestinian protests, MPs have spoken of their experiences of receiving death threats and their concerns for the safety of their families, prompting the government to announce an extra £31m to protect elected representatives.

It followed chaotic scenes in Westminster over the vote on a ceasefire in Gaza, when Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle broke with precedent in his handling of proceedings because he had concerns about the intimidation suffered by some parliamentarians, sparking a backlash.

From bodyguards to death threats - the real impact of chaos in the Commons

Mr Sunak said: "In recent weeks and months, we have seen a shocking increase in extremist disruption and criminality.

"What started as protests on our streets have descended into intimidation, threats and planned acts of violence.

"Jewish children fearful to wear their school uniform lest it reveals their identity. Muslim women abused in the street for the actions of a terrorist group they have no connection with.

Source: Sky News
 
George is the political comeback king. He instinctively sees the gaps and knows how to take his opportunities.

I think he is an individual well suited to by-elections because he is a very good orator and door-to-door salesman who can briefly stir up a tidal wave to sweep away his opponents in a mini 4 week campaign, but he is a less effective MP when it comes down to it who (statistically) rarely attends parliament. But whether he votes in the lobbies or not, he makes a memorable impact whenever he appears back on the scene.

I used to listen to his radio show on Talksport and he was a bit of a shock jock (and very good at this too), but to set the record straight on some of the comments flying about on social media today: he absolutely isn’t a racist, he isn’t a bigot or an extremist — he used to regularly challenge racists, BNP, ELP, anti gay callers and Holocaust deniers who would ring in to have a pop at him.

My main objection — I find his opposition to western empires but support of communist empires slightly hypocritical; he is anti imperial, but only selectively.

An interesting character. Still proves to be a better listen than much of the dross we have masquerading as politicians nowadays. A sharply dressed man of letters. On the whole, I like him.

And on a side note George made some quite thought provoking pro-Brexit speeches as an “Old Leftist” / Miners welfare club (Dennis Skinner, Tony Benn) which were based on national independence, wage growth and an empowered labour force — and was much more articulate and grounded on this topic than the vacuous flag waving soundbites from Boris, Rees Mogg etc…
 
George is the political comeback king. He instinctively sees the gaps and knows how to take his opportunities.

I think he is an individual well suited to by-elections because he is a very good orator and door-to-door salesman who can briefly stir up a tidal wave to sweep away his opponents in a mini 4 week campaign, but he is a less effective MP when it comes down to it who (statistically) rarely attends parliament. But whether he votes in the lobbies or not, he makes a memorable impact whenever he appears back on the scene.

I used to listen to his radio show on Talksport and he was a bit of a shock jock (and very good at this too), but to set the record straight on some of the comments flying about on social media today: he absolutely isn’t a racist, he isn’t a bigot or an extremist — he used to regularly challenge racists, BNP, ELP, anti gay callers and Holocaust deniers who would ring in to have a pop at him.

My main objection — I find his opposition to western empires but support of communist empires slightly hypocritical; he is anti imperial, but only selectively.

An interesting character. Still proves to be a better listen than much of the dross we have masquerading as politicians nowadays. A sharply dressed man of letters. On the whole, I like him.

And on a side note George made some quite thought provoking pro-Brexit speeches as an “Old Leftist” / Miners welfare club (Dennis Skinner, Tony Benn) which were based on national independence, wage growth and an empowered labour force — and was much more articulate and grounded on this topic than the vacuous flag waving soundbites from Boris, Rees Mogg etc…

To add to that, he has just forced a meltdown upon our fool of a PM on national TV :))😂
 
Rishi is an absolute idiot. To turn Galloways bye elections win into a existential crisis for the UK, what a dearth of talent we have here in the UK. Where are the likes of Haseltine,Clark and Peter Walker in the Tory party. Instead we have these losers
 
Galloway is back with a bang.

I loved his interview last night. The Sky Presenter kept on saying the PM said this and that about you.

Galloway - Dont keep telling me about the PM he isn't God. We are talking about little Rishi Sunak at the back end of his prime ministership.
 
what a dearth of talent we have here in the UK. Where are the likes of Haseltine,Clark and Peter Walker in the Tory party. Instead we have these losers

That’s the thing, as I mentioned above I don’t agree with everything George says (although I agree with a fair chunk of it) but what’s refreshing about having him around is that there are no soundbites or buzzwords; his command of the English language and rhetorical skills are classical and objectively impressive — he also brings personality, humour, and charm — in this way he is almost a throwback, from a different era of British politics, where we had the “big beasts” in both major parties who were principled, charismatic, and not afraid to say what they thought in the House even if it might be unpopular.
 
Can't wait to see GG in the House of Commons. Hopefully, he'll be schooling Rishi in the run up to the elections.
 
On the subject of Galloway heres one of his gems:

“the Zionists” engineered the situation in Ukraine in order to bring “the Nazis” to power and have the Ukrainian Jews “settle in Palestine”.

If I remember right he also accused Israel of giving Al Qaeda chemical weapons...

I'm not saying it's true but it wouldn't surprise me. I hope you haven't gone into hiding because I have a question for you. Who created Hamas?
 
He needs to calm down a bit. I think he's too involved with shadiness, friendly with Saddam and Putin, supported Zardari.

But he's a firebrand, and he's exciting. He'll probably not last after the election later this year a la Bradford
 
Rishi is an absolute idiot. To turn Galloways bye elections win into a existential crisis for the UK, what a dearth of talent we have here in the UK. Where are the likes of Haseltine,Clark and Peter Walker in the Tory party. Instead we have these losers
The steady regression in the UK is visible everywhere not just politics. Johnson, Truss, Rishi, one after the other a succession of lying imbeciles. They will be followed by 'I do nothing' Starmer.

Galloway is a new low as people will vote for anything right now, they're simply fed up.
 
NEW: George Galloway is considering standing against Andy Burnham in upcoming Greater Manchester mayoral elections
 
Listened to his maiden speech and also his comment on the new extremism definition. He’s made a very good start.
 
Bumped into him at Juma today, he's doing the rounds ahead of the local elections in May. He's giving his all in supporting Gaza.
 
Bumped into him at Juma today, he's doing the rounds ahead of the local elections in May. He's giving his all in supporting Gaza.
Did he pray the namaz or just hang around?

I'm curious as to if he has converted.....
 
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