"Giving Pakistan over a billion dollars, and they continue to harbour terrorists" : Nikki Haley

[boomboomcheema]

"Giving Pakistan over a billion dollars, and they continue to harbour terrorists" : Nikki Haley

Pakistan continues to harbour terrorists that turn around and kill American soldiers, US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley has said, asserting that Washington should not blindly give Islamabad even a dollar until it steps up efforts to combat terrorism.
Haley, the first Indian-American ever appointed to a Cabinet position in any US presidential administration, said the US did not need to give money to countries that wish harm to America, go behind its back and try and "stop us from doing things".

"...I think there should be a strategic view on which countries we partner with, which ones we count on to work with us on certain things, and move forward accordingly. I think we just blindly allow money to keep going without thinking that this is real leverage. We have to use it," Haley told US magazine 'The Atlantic'.

"The one example I'll give you is, look at Pakistan. Giving them over a billion dollars, and they continue to harbour terrorists that turn around and kill our soldiers -that's never okay. We shouldn't even give them a dollar until they correct it. Use the billion dollars. That's not a small amount of change," she said.

Haley will step down as the UN envoy at the end of this year. US President Donald Trump last week nominated chief State Department spokeswoman and a former Fox News journalist Heather Nauert as Haley's successor.

In October, Haley announced that she was leaving the post by the end of the year. The 46-year-old former South Carolina governor has served nearly two years in the post.

She said Pakistan should be told "you have to do these things before we will even start to help you with your military or start to help you on counterterrorism".

Asked if she does not agree that foreign aid can turn an adversary into an ally, or can make a country more favourable than it would be otherwise, Haley said, "no, I think it absolutely can. I think that you do have to use it as leverage".

"I don't think you should blindly give it and then expect goodwill. You have to ask for goodwill and then give it when you see good things happen," she said.

In September, the Trump administration cancelled USD 300 million in military aid to Islamabad for not doing enough against terror groups active on its soil.


Last month, Trump defended his administration's decision to stop hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to Pakistan, saying Islamabad does not do "a damn thing" for the US and its government helped late al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden hide near its garrison city of Rawalpindi.

Referring to Laden and his former compound in Abbottabad in Pakistan, Trump told Fox News, "you know, living - think of this - living in Pakistan, beautifully in Pakistan in what I guess they considered a nice mansion, I don't know, I've seen nicer".

"But living in Pakistan right next to the military academy, everybody in Pakistan knew he was there," Trump said.

The US Naval Special Warfare Development Group forces, in a daring helicopter raid, killed Laden in 2011 and demolished the compound.

"We give Pakistan USD 1.3 billion a year... (Laden] lived in Pakistan, we're supporting Pakistan, we're giving them USD 1.3 billion a year - which we don't give them anymore, by the way, I ended it because they don't do anything for us, they don't do a damn thing for us," he said.

The relations between Pakistan and the United States nosedived this January after President Trump accused Islamabad of giving nothing to Washington but "lies and deceit" and providing "safe haven" to terrorists.

"The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies and deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools," he wrote.

"They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help. No more!" Trump added.

The US Congress also passed a bill to slash Pakistan's defence aid to USD 150 million, significantly below the historic level of more than USD one billion per year.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-...r-till-they-act-on-terror-nikki-haley-1960185

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Trump and his trumpets blowing wistful tunes and hot air. Trumps first tweet ( are they still important?), was all drum thumping and it was his _first_ one of 2018, like as if we were top of his New Year resolution.

Nearly twelve months gone, they'll get a man on Mars before browbearing Pakistan.

If my family there are typical, it's a case of 'over my dead body'.

Come USA wayagah?

 

[the Great Khan]

"The United States has foolishly given Pakistan more than 33 billion dollars in aid over the last 15 years, and they have given us nothing but lies and deceit, thinking of our leaders as fools," he wrote

lol I would expect nothing from a non entity like her. Over a 100k dead or wounded, 100 billion lost from the economy, most of that 33 billion goes back to the US in one form or the other. Murder of Pakistani soldiers, murder of innocent Pakistani civilians. Joining forces with the nations enemies to destroy the very fabric of the nation. Coming out with nonsense like Pakistan will be gone by 2015 and so forth.

We still remember the Psyops and the brainwashing that began in 2009.

Ill give you an example, some of the most popular blockbuster games and movies had subliminal messages that pointed to a move to harm Pakistan. I was replaying COD Modern warfare 2 again after many years and there is a level called Karachi in it. This was in 2009/10 at the height of the war on Pakistan. Bombs in Masjids, killings on the streets, Raymond Davis scouting and monitoring our nuke facilities (or trying) and he was the one we caught.

I would use a very horrible slur but I dont want to lower myself to Nimrata's level. We dont need Indians telling us what we have won or lost..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Isn't this an old interview? Seem to remember her saying this about six months ago, unless she's being sponsored to regurgitate it every few months. I don't think she could place India on a map never mind Pakistan.

 

[Madplayer]

Nikki actually had the worst combination of interests you will ever come across.

Her husband is an active Zionist and she herself has Indian roots (real name Nimrata Randhawa) and hence her anti-muslim bias knows no bounds.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Nikki actually had the worst combination of interests you will ever come across.

Her husband is an active Zionist and she herself has Indian roots (real name Nimrata Randhawa) and hence her anti-muslim bias knows no bounds.

I disagree somewhat, having read her interview which was linked here, seems her Indian roots are very minimal, she ditched her Indian name and married an American. If he's a Zionist as you say, then her anti-Islamic stance will be from his POV, I really doubt she knows that much about India's stance.

 

[Bewal Express]

Reading between the lines- we cant fight and win our own wars and we want PK to fight them.

 

[Slog]

Nikki actually had the worst combination of interests you will ever come across.

Her husband is an active Zionist and she herself has Indian roots (real name Nimrata Randhawa) and hence her anti-muslim bias knows no bounds.

she is a self-hating Indian and even Americanized her name to wash away her Indian roots

 

[Swashbuckler]

Nikki actually had the worst combination of interests you will ever come across.

Her husband is an active Zionist and she herself has Indian roots (real name Nimrata Randhawa) and hence her anti-muslim bias knows no bounds.

Like almost all Republican Indian Americans her roots to India are minimal. She has disowned her Sikh background and become gung-ho Christian for political reasons. She isn't as big a tool as Bobby Jindal but Indians don't identify with her, why bother when she herself feels ashamed to be identified as Indian?

 

[Slog]

Like almost all Republican Indian Americans her roots to India are minimal. She has disowned her Sikh background and become gung-ho Christian for political reasons. She isn't as big a tool as Bobby Jindal but Indians don't identify with her, why bother when she herself feels ashamed to be identified as Indian?

agreed. Bobby Jindal is even more self-hating and to another level really. In the potrait he had in his Governor house, he was white lol! And he is fairly dark skinned. Atleast that is not the case with Haley

also it is funny to me how these guys are totally unaware or act such about what role their roots play. For eg when during the campaign Nikki Haley opposed Trump and I think endorse Rubio, there were a lot of racist attacks on her by Republican rednecks and she was being called by her Indian name as if that was an insult. And now she is back in the good books that she backed Trump after the election. I wonder if she realizes that she is the typical house ***** who is a good person as long as she does without questioning what is wanted from her, and as soon as she has one differing opinion of her own there will be no hesitation to launch racist attacks on her

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Nikki actually had the worst combination of interests you will ever come across.

Her husband is an active Zionist and she herself has Indian roots (real name Nimrata Randhawa) and hence her anti-muslim bias knows no bounds.

LOL.

Is she the USA Pritti Patel (sp?).

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Says the person whose army couldn't have done a "damn thing" against the Soviets in Afghanistan without PAK army's help.

We'll listen to Americans once they stop their chest-thumping and start recognizing Pakistan's role in regional peace.

 

[Waseem]

Nicky's Randhawa coming out obviously, she can't tolerate the fact that Trump wrote to Pakistan asking for help

 

[Sachin136]

Says the person whose army couldn't have done a "damn thing" against the Soviets in Afghanistan without PAK army's help.

We'll listen to Americans once they stop their chest-thumping and start recognizing Pakistan's role in regional peace.

Their role in maintaining regional peace or unrest?

 

[Thomaskutty]

I wonder if she realizes that she is the typical house ***** who is a good person as long as she does without questioning what is wanted from her, and as soon as she has one differing opinion of her own there will be no hesitation to launch racist attacks on her

^ Interesting to see all these personal attacks on her. It's not particularly a desi problem but reducing a person purely down to his color/origin of birth as if they have no independent thoughts is always bizarre.

It's an extremely narrow minded way of analysing the world but it is a rite of passage on PP for many.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

^ Interesting to see all these personal attacks on her. It's not particularly a desi problem but reducing a person purely down to his color/origin of birth as if they have no independent thoughts is always bizarre.

It's an extremely narrow minded way of analysing the world but it is a rite of passage on PP for many.

I don't recall you having any problems when the same has been done for British Pakistanis.

 

[BlackShadow]

Well, this is a common perception globally, hence the FATF Grey listing.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Nicky's Randhawa coming out obviously, she can't tolerate the fact that Trump wrote to Pakistan asking for help

How soon before trumps starts mocking her?

 

[Varun]

Well, I'm sure most Pakistanis would accept - benefit of hindsight notwithstanding - that at least one reason they got into bed with the United States starting the 1980s was for the money involved.

It makes the world go around after all.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

^ Interesting to see all these personal attacks on her. It's not particularly a desi problem but reducing a person purely down to his color/origin of birth as if they have no independent thoughts is always bizarre.

It's an extremely narrow minded way of analysing the world but it is a rite of passage on PP for many.

Lol, females with Indian roots, love of Anglo Saxons and Zionists who work for right wing governments, we would be wasting our time giving them the benefit of the doubt, better to save time and stereotype females like that. Exhibit B - Priti Patel

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Well, I'm sure most Pakistanis would accept - benefit of hindsight notwithstanding - that at least one reason they got into bed with the United States starting the 1980s was for the money involved.

It makes the world go around after all.

We were doing better than the Indians, then just looked for easy money.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Well, I'm sure most Pakistanis would accept - benefit of hindsight notwithstanding - that at least one reason they got into bed with the United States starting the 1980s was for the money involved.

It makes the world go around after all.

There was a slight cas of a super power on the doorstep, ready to invade.

 

[Varun]

There was a slight cas of a super power on the doorstep, ready to invade.

The Soviet Union was never going to invade Pakistan. However, I can imagine that this is a scare tactic that the Pakistan military would have used at the time to press for funds or public support.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

The Soviet Union was never going to invade Pakistan. However, I can imagine that this is a scare tactic that the Pakistan military would have used at the time to press for funds or public support.

It wasn't a case that the commies were going to invade Pakistan, just having them next door (domino theory, 50's South East Asia) was enough for the Amreekans to come hollering. I mean we are talking Reagan era.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well, I'm sure most Pakistanis would accept - benefit of hindsight notwithstanding - that at least one reason they got into bed with the United States starting the 1980s was for the money involved.

It makes the world go around after all.

It does. But if money was the only consideration for Pakistan you would imagine they would be in a lot better financial position in the last couple of decades.

 

[Varun]

It does. But if money was the only consideration for Pakistan you would imagine they would be in a lot better financial position in the last couple of decades.

Wrong. That's like claiming that a serial personal loan applicant is flush with funds.

Eventually, the repayment cycles and hefty interest due will catch up and he's in a soup.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wrong. That's like claiming that a serial personal loan applicant is flush with funds.

Eventually, the repayment cycles and hefty interest due will catch up and he's in a soup.

It's not anything like a serial personal loan applicant. In Pakistan's case the application is usually handled by certain higher ups in the chain who can manipulate the mechanics of the payments to flow to their own personal advantage. You won't see many of those 'applicants' in the soup personally, most of them have assets parked strategically around the world.

 

[Thomaskutty]

I don't recall you having any problems when the same has been done for British Pakistanis.

I can't recall the same being done to British Pakistanis, certainly not much from Indian posters here anyhow. Do you?

 

[Vegitto1]

With Hilary Clinton, a Presidential candidate, attending a wedding in India in “personal capacity” it is not difficult to to understand why most US politicians are following the Indian narrative.

India is most likely throwing a lot of money at these politicians via “campaign funding” and they are in turn, reading from a script.

Anyone with 0.1% of common sense could see that what Pakistan has done is a lot more than what any other country has done in this unholy war!

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

These Trump minions are a meme.

So basically, here is a country waging some kind of a war against everybody (be it Russia, China, the EU or Middle East), financing terrorist state of Israel, arming murderer Saudis to their teeth and they talk about "harboring terrorists"

Lolz. No one buys your rubbish anymore Nikki. It ain't 2001 no more!

Oh the irony

This crap is more hilarious than any joke.

PS: also killing planet earth our home

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I can't recall the same being done to British Pakistanis, certainly not much from Indian posters here anyhow. Do you?

Yes I do, I can name names as well, but what for? Are we here to discuss posters or the topic in question? Nikki Hayley is a public figure, if she is going to stick her head above the parapet and make allegations, she can expect for her credentials to be examined.

 

[Mamoon]

With Hilary Clinton, a Presidential candidate, attending a wedding in India in “personal capacity” it is not difficult to to understand why most US politicians are following the Indian narrative.

India is most likely throwing a lot of money at these politicians via “campaign funding” and they are in turn, reading from a script.

Anyone with 0.1% of common sense could see that what Pakistan has done is a lot more than what any other country has done in this unholy war!

I imagine giving Osama and his family a house to live in right next to a military academy is difficult for a lot of countries to top.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Didn't know she is of indian origin. looks very much a european american.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

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I imagine giving Osama and his family a house to live in right next to a military academy is difficult for a lot of countries to top.

That could also have been at the US behest so could be counted as aiding the US as well.

 

[Mamoon]

That could also have been at the US behest so could be counted as aiding the US as well.

Quite likely, but that is not what our patriotic friend was alluding to with his usual bravado.

 

[Vegitto1]

[/b]

I imagine giving Osama and his family a house to live in right next to a military academy is difficult for a lot of countries to top.

Countries have done far worse than to house an individual who was trained by the CIA, funded and supported by America to fight a war in Afghanistan against Russia. Upon success, he started a crusade to evict American influence from the Middle East, especially his home country of Saudi Arabia.

If I recall correctly, you are studying to become a doctor. You spend a good part of your life following instructions and procedures and certain methods. Law, politics, justice, freedom and human rights issues are not as straightforward.

You may be able to see justification in a person in a uniform killing 100 innocent civilians and call it "collateral damage". And you may be able to distinguish it from a person, in plain clothes, blowing himself up in a bus full of people. However, I can't. For me, the first one is far more worse.

 

[troodon]

Didn't know she is of indian origin. looks very much a european american.

Same here. I thought she is half Indian and half White.

Wiki says she identifies herself as Christian, but still follows Sikh religion.

If you want to be in Republican Party, you better be a Christian.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Countries have done far worse than to house an individual who was trained by the CIA, funded and supported by America to fight a war in Afghanistan against Russia. Upon success, he started a crusade to evict American influence from the Middle East, especially his home country of Saudi Arabia.

If I recall correctly, you are studying to become a doctor. You spend a good part of your life following instructions and procedures and certain methods. Law, politics, justice, freedom and human rights issues are not as straightforward.

You may be able to see justification in a person in a uniform killing 100 innocent civilians and call it "collateral damage". And you may be able to distinguish it from a person, in plain clothes, blowing himself up in a bus full of people. However, I can't. For me, the first one is far more worse.

Indeed they made the terrorist of Irgun the presidents and prime ministers of the land t they stole.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

I wonder how that dude who grassed on Saddams wherabouts is doing with his 13 or 30 million dollars.Personally y thought Osama Bin Laden was, hold your horse, what am i allowed to say? Better not say anything...

 

[PakLFC]

Just another Indian who hates her roots. Cry all you want lady but Trump is begging IK to help America exit Afghanistan. Pak has lost far more money then America has given that she'd realise if she had a functioning brain. Afghan Taliban fighting American occupation have done no harm to Pak at all. As I always say if Pak's enemies are not America's enemies then the same applies the other way round. Pak should never turn against the Afghan Taliban who rule almost all of Afghanistan, let the Americans deal with their own mess. Pak not the Americans has to live with Afghanistan being the neighbour after the American's leave so can't afford to make enemies of the Afghan Taliban.