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In the year 2001, India was on the back of the match fixing scandal. Public interest in cricket was at its absolute low. Indian cricket itself was not doing well in terms of on-field play.

On the other hand we were facing the rampaging Aussies who were almost unbeatable during this time.

We got humiliated in the first test and were on the absolute ropes but then the VVS-Dravid miracle happened.

I feel this was the watershed moment for Indian cricket.

Since then I feel India has had more highs than lows and has been on the rise. That changed the way Indian team believed
In themselves.

Currently Pakistan is in a similar hopeless situation. All the controversies and demoralizing losses.

If they make a comeback and win this series, this might be dawn of a new era for the Pakistan team.

While this English team is intimidating, they are no where near the quality of that Aussie side.

I feel this might just be the opportunity for Pakistan to have their own watershed/historic moment. It’s up for grabs . Will they take it?
 
Not sure about situation being similar. India was very poor away from home in 90s, but issue with Pakistan is losing non-stop at home even against BD.

India had lost only 5 tests out of 30 in entire decade of 90s.

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The first class system is clearly broken and can't be trusted to cultivate players or give them competitive experience.

They should pick their best in the u16s and send them on a sponsored 2 year stint in UK or OZ club cricket otherwise another generation will be wasted.
 
Local.Dada said:
Not literally but figuratively. Like coming back from this humiliation and winning the series against a big team.:sachin
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I don't recall the Indian team ever being at this kind of low-point. Don't recall India losing a test series to Zimbabwe at home, who I guess would be the Bangladesh equivalent for that time. Even when India were a rubbish side they didn't lose at home.
 
LOL.
India had a great Captain in Ganguly. Batting line up with the likes of Dravid, SRT and Laxman. We have jokers.

Also India did not lose Test series at home.
 
Local.Dada said:
Not literally but figuratively. Like coming back from this humiliation and winning the series against a big team.:sachin
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The worst thing that happened to Pakistan is the "cornered tigers" name. It basically gave fans the excuse to wait for the other shoe to drop after a slew of bad performances because "we will eventually win out of nowhere". That "eventually" has now stretched on to 3 years at home.

Plus, some teams tend to be poor at some of the formats but good at the other (West Indies till around 2016 for example). Pakistan has been crapping the bed in all the formats after 2022. Constant talks of overhaul with each overhaul/reset making things worse than the previous reset so having to back to the previous reset which makes things even worse. Absolute shambles this is and something has to give.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I can't recall the Indian team ever being at this kind of low-point. Don't recall India losing a test series to Zimbabwe at home, who I guess would be the Bangladesh equivalent for that time. Even when India were a rubbish side they didn't lose at home.
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It’s not about winning and losing. It’s about a really bad phase: even India has got drubbed overseas, knocked out in first round of world tournaments or lose to minnows but it happened between some high moments too.

However 2001 was a different monster for Indian cricket. The match fixing fiasco was the first time even passionate fans were tuned off from cricket: the casual fans who would watch the odd odi match or World Cup also were tuned off saying “sab fixed hai”. That was the absolute low.in fact we got smacked by Srilanka in Sharjah which was one of our most embarrassing losses.

This 2001 win came on the back of that and after that Indian team had a different level of belief. Wins and losses happen but there was a method, approach, process.

If you were not a fan in that era you don’t know how big that win was.
 
Local.Dada said:
It’s not about winning and losing. It’s about a really bad phase: even India has got drubbed overseas, knocked out in first round of world tournaments or lose to minnows but it happened between some high moments too.

However 2001 was a different monster for Indian cricket. The match fixing fiasco was the first time even passionate fans were tuned off from cricket: the casual fans who would watch the odd odi match or World Cup also were tuned off saying “sab fixed hai”. That was the absolute low.in fact we got smacked by Srilanka in Sharjah which was one of our most embarrassing losses.

This 2001 win came on the back of that and after that Indian team had a different level of belief. Wins and losses happen but there was a method, approach, process.

If you were not a fan in that era you don’t know how big that win was.
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I get your point. But there is still a limit to the depths a team can sink to. PAK has been a mediocre team for a very long time and fans such as myself have been hoping for that magical turnaround for quite some time. But never did we expect to sink to these kinds of lows. And how will things change? When everything in our system is so fundamentally screwed up. Things may have been bad for Indian cricket in 2001 but they still had players like Ganguly, Sachin, Dravid, VVS, Kumble with Harbhajan, Yuvraj, Sehwag etc. waiting in the wings. The best young talent that PAK has, we have already seen. And so far they have been just as rubbish and mentally weak as the rest.

I'm perfectly well-aware of how big that win was. But like I said, India had the players. They just hadn't established themselves yet. PAK does not have the players.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I get your point. But there is still a limit to the depths a team can sink to. PAK has been a mediocre team for a very long time and fans such as myself have been hoping for that magical turnaround for quite some time. But never did we expect to sink to these kinds of lows. And how will things change? When everything in our system is so fundamentally screwed up. Things may have been bad for Indian cricket in 2001 but they still had players like Ganguly, Sachin, Dravid, VVS, Kumble with Harbhajan, Yuvraj, Sehwag etc. waiting in the wings. The best young talent that PAK has, we have already seen. And so far they have been just as rubbish and mentally weak as the rest.

I'm perfectly well-aware of how big that win was. But like I said, India had the players. They just hadn't established themselves yet. PAK does not have the players.
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This summarizes. They were all world class players who were up against an ATG team. They showed tremendous resilience. Also Harbhajan had one of those freak series picking 32 wickets in that series including a hatrick. There is not a single bowler who can remotely repeat that for Pakistan.
 
I remember Australia had this low point too from 2011 to 2013. And then in 2013-14 Ashes they just turned around their fortunes.
 
Probably the first time you are seeing a Pakistan with zilch quality in all departments. The results of this team in the last 5 years speaks for itself. T-20 results mean very little in the larger scheme of things.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
I remember Australia had this low point too from 2011 to 2013. And then in 2013-14 Ashes they just turned around their fortunes.
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This low however is quite lower than the lows India and Australia had at 2001 and 2011 respectively

If a laxman like innings has to come, it will not come from the current playing 11 of this test.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
I remember Australia had this low point too from 2011 to 2013. And then in 2013-14 Ashes they just turned around their fortunes.
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It was loss of form and transition phase. It wasn’t a crisis. Crisis example would be more like the sandpaper gate and Aussie losing a few games after with replacement players not being that good.
 
Get a turning pitch and these English players bar Joe Root or maybe Stokes if he is in form will fall like a pack of cards. Get some domestic players in Pak who can play these pitches. Throw in a couple of youngsters for experience. It is not rocket science. Winning this series will give a huge lifeline and confidence to Pak cricket.
 
India were not a terrible side then, they were a decent team, everyone apart from Sachin that is, fought to win. In the current era of TikToks, T20 cricket and petty politics, these dummies do not have the spirit to turn the tide
 
Pakistan's best bet is low scoring pitches. Problem is on any pitch this bazball team can dismantle this Pakistan bowling attack. That will make the contest even more one-sided.
 
Local.Dada said:
It’s not about winning and losing. It’s about a really bad phase: even India has got drubbed overseas, knocked out in first round of world tournaments or lose to minnows but it happened between some high moments too.

However 2001 was a different monster for Indian cricket. The match fixing fiasco was the first time even passionate fans were tuned off from cricket: the casual fans who would watch the odd odi match or World Cup also were tuned off saying “sab fixed hai”. That was the absolute low.in fact we got smacked by Srilanka in Sharjah which was one of our most embarrassing losses.

This 2001 win came on the back of that and after that Indian team had a different level of belief. Wins and losses happen but there was a method, approach, process.

If you were not a fan in that era you don’t know how big that win was.
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Will never forget that series, that day!.
load shedding in a lot of parts of the city i lived in then. Me and my bro by chance on the morning of the 4th day Calcutta test were near this ramshackle dhabba - an absolute truckies hangout :)...it had a venerated TV going on a diesel generator, decided to have tea/snacks etc and just saw Rahul and Laxi pinging the ball off to all corners...We spent the whole day there...was just magic, hypnotic...We went there again during the next test @ chennai and that was an incredible test victory as well....
Looking back - yeah was a defo watershed moment in indian cricket....
 
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Local.Dada said:
In the year 2001, India was on the back of the match fixing scandal. Public interest in cricket was at its absolute low. Indian cricket itself was not doing well in terms of on-field play.

On the other hand we were facing the rampaging Aussies who were almost unbeatable during this time.

We got humiliated in the first test and were on the absolute ropes but then the VVS-Dravid miracle happened.

I feel this was the watershed moment for Indian cricket.

Since then I feel India has had more highs than lows and has been on the rise. That changed the way Indian team believed
In themselves.

Currently Pakistan is in a similar hopeless situation. All the controversies and demoralizing losses.

If they make a comeback and win this series, this might be dawn of a new era for the Pakistan team.

While this English team is intimidating, they are no where near the quality of that Aussie side.

I feel this might just be the opportunity for Pakistan to have their own watershed/historic moment. It’s up for grabs . Will they take it?
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Excellent post. Totally agree with your comment on Indian cricket
 
Pakistan never have been a quality test side, in 1990 we have even lost to Zimbabwe at home.
 
I wrote before the series that Pakistan will emerge as winners and I am sticking to what I said because it is the natural progression.

Pakistan have been too poor for too long and ultimately you will have a reaction, a lot of players who have not been in good touch lately will come good.

I think we will see better pitches in the remaining two Tests and two very good performances from Pakistan to overturn this series 2-1.
 
Babar is due runs, Rizwan is due runs, Saim is due runs, Shan is due some good fortunate and good tactical decisions as skipper, Abrar is due wickets, Shaheen is due wickets, Naseem is due wickets.

A lot of rise factors shall combine to help Pakistan turn the tables on England in this series. It will happen.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar is due runs, Rizwan is due runs, Saim is due runs, Shan is due some good fortunate and good tactical decisions as skipper, Abrar is due wickets, Shaheen is due wickets, Naseem is due wickets.

A lot of rise factors shall combine to help Pakistan turn the tables on England in this series. It will happen.
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Hopefully it happens, but pitch has to not like the first test. I don't see Pakistan outplaying Eng in that kind of pitch.
 
Buffet said:
Hopefully it happens, but pitch has to not like the first test. I don't see Pakistan outplaying Eng in that kind of pitch.
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It won't happen. They have lost 4 tests in a row to England in different ways. They will find another way to lose the next Test. If Stokes returns the chance will go further down. Bashir was totally useless. They can play Rehan who can bat as well.
 
Local.Dada said:
In the year 2001, India was on the back of the match fixing scandal. Public interest in cricket was at its absolute low. Indian cricket itself was not doing well in terms of on-field play.

On the other hand we were facing the rampaging Aussies who were almost unbeatable during this time.

We got humiliated in the first test and were on the absolute ropes but then the VVS-Dravid miracle happened.

I feel this was the watershed moment for Indian cricket.

Since then I feel India has had more highs than lows and has been on the rise. That changed the way Indian team believed
In themselves.

Currently Pakistan is in a similar hopeless situation. All the controversies and demoralizing losses.

If they make a comeback and win this series, this might be dawn of a new era for the Pakistan team.

While this English team is intimidating, they are no where near the quality of that Aussie side.

I feel this might just be the opportunity for Pakistan to have their own watershed/historic moment. It’s up for grabs . Will they take it?
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You expect such comeback from a team that got whitewashed in it's last Test series that too at HOME and that too against minnow Bangladesh?
 
Local.Dada said:
In the year 2001, India was on the back of the match fixing scandal. Public interest in cricket was at its absolute low. Indian cricket itself was not doing well in terms of on-field play.

On the other hand we were facing the rampaging Aussies who were almost unbeatable during this time.

We got humiliated in the first test and were on the absolute ropes but then the VVS-Dravid miracle happened.

I feel this was the watershed moment for Indian cricket.

Since then I feel India has had more highs than lows and has been on the rise. That changed the way Indian team believed
In themselves.

Currently Pakistan is in a similar hopeless situation. All the controversies and demoralizing losses.

If they make a comeback and win this series, this might be dawn of a new era for the Pakistan team.

While this English team is intimidating, they are no where near the quality of that Aussie side.

I feel this might just be the opportunity for Pakistan to have their own watershed/historic moment. It’s up for grabs . Will they take it?
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Bro , I know you are not serious and rubbing it in :ROFLMAO:

Pak will be happy if they can squeeze out a draw here and not get hammered 3-0 and you are talking about a 2-1 Ind style comeback with Shan masood, shafique, babar, rizzy . Ind has Bhajji the terminator then. Dont think Abrar or any Pak spinner is anyway near him.
 
Hitman said:
You expect such comeback from a team that got whitewashed in it's last Test series that too at HOME and that too against minnow Bangladesh?
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I personally don’t think so. If I had to predict I would say 2-1 to England. I feel England will run out of gas towards the end. Pakistan can bring fresh legs from domestics any time if they want.

I am just saying they can create an opportunity to put themselves back on the world stage.
 
deltexas said:
Bro , I know you are not serious and rubbing it in :ROFLMAO:

Pak will be happy if they can squeeze out a draw here and not get hammered 3-0 and you are talking about a 2-1 Ind style comeback with Shan masood, shafique, babar, rizzy . Ind has Bhajji the terminator then. Dont think Abrar or any Pak spinner is anyway near him.
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I am not saying they will, I am saying winning this series will pull them out of the long slump they have been in since Asia cup match. They need that moment of inspiration.
 
Local.Dada said:
I am not saying they will, I am saying winning this series will pull them out of the long slump they have been in since Asia cup match. They need that moment of inspiration.
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That Test match was an epic Test. You are basically expecting them to recreate epic. Not gonna happen. If they want to draw inspiration they can draw inspiration from Srilanka which won the third Test in England, draw inspiration from West Indies which won the Gabba test on the back of Shamar Joseph's fiery spell.
 
Do you know who India had in their playing XI in 2001 ? Who is even close to Dravid , Laxman or Tendulkar ? Does Pakistan have a spinner like Harbhajan ?

If today you play against West Indies , the result will be same. The skill set is just not there.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar is due runs, Rizwan is due runs, Saim is due runs, Shan is due some good fortunate and good tactical decisions as skipper, Abrar is due wickets, Shaheen is due wickets, Naseem is due wickets.

A lot of rise factors shall combine to help Pakistan turn the tables on England in this series. It will happen.
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The law of averages is bound to favour Pakistan. I don't think PCT has ever had a losing streak of more than 6 consecutive matches in their history.

PCT have lost 6 in a row now. So the next one should be a win.
 
Local.Dada said:
In the year 2001, India was on the back of the match fixing scandal. Public interest in cricket was at its absolute low. Indian cricket itself was not doing well in terms of on-field play.

On the other hand we were facing the rampaging Aussies who were almost unbeatable during this time.

We got humiliated in the first test and were on the absolute ropes but then the VVS-Dravid miracle happened.

I feel this was the watershed moment for Indian cricket.

Since then I feel India has had more highs than lows and has been on the rise. That changed the way Indian team believed
In themselves.

Currently Pakistan is in a similar hopeless situation. All the controversies and demoralizing losses.

If they make a comeback and win this series, this might be dawn of a new era for the Pakistan team.

While this English team is intimidating, they are no where near the quality of that Aussie side.

I feel this might just be the opportunity for Pakistan to have their own watershed/historic moment. It’s up for grabs . Will they take it?
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At what point during this dream, did you wake up?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The law of averages is bound to favour Pakistan. I don't think PCT has ever had a losing streak of more than 6 consecutive matches in their history.

PCT have lost 6 in a row now. So the next one should be a win.
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law of averages doesn't work that way. statistically every event is independent event and is not influenced by what happened in the past. for eg in a fair coin chance of getting head or tails are approximately 50/50. If you get 10 heads in a row, it does not increase your chances of getting a tail in the next flip. Every flip of coin will stay independent and will always carry same 50/50 chances. Law of averages may catch up, but that depends on the events being exactly identical as the coin flips are. But here there are lots of moving parts, changing teams, pitches, abilities, mental strength, motivation, team composition, strategy, etc making each individual event completely unique and different from the past
 
Mamoon said:
Babar is due runs, Rizwan is due runs, Saim is due runs, Shan is due some good fortunate and good tactical decisions as skipper, Abrar is due wickets, Shaheen is due wickets, Naseem is due wickets.

A lot of rise factors shall combine to help Pakistan turn the tables on England in this series. It will happen.
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Not trying to troll, but I don't understand the due part, for all we know it is all downhill from here, is it some misplaced optimism or are you trying to magically manifest these runs and wickets?
 
SportsWarrior said:
law of averages doesn't work that way. statistically every event is independent event and is not influenced by what happened in the past. for eg in a fair coin chance of getting head or tails are approximately 50/50. If you get 10 heads in a row, it does not increase your chances of getting a tail in the next flip. Every flip of coin will stay independent and will always carry same 50/50 chances. Law of averages may catch up, but that depends on the events being exactly identical as the coin flips are. But here there are lots of moving parts, changing teams, pitches, abilities, mental strength, motivation, team composition, strategy, etc making each individual event completely unique and different from the past
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Finally somone who actually understands how probability works.
It is really just superstition that people term as law of averages coz it sounds scientific.
 
I really want to stay optimistic and hope Pakistan comes good soon because it has been so disappointing to see this team getting beaten up, down, left right, and center.

No hopes for this team but I want them to win anyway.
 
Toughest tour in test cricket

Asian teams are playing in SENA countries.

SENA teams are playing in India .
Pakistan team is playing in Pakistan . :kp
 
Mamoon said:
Babar is due runs, Rizwan is due runs, Saim is due runs, Shan is due some good fortunate and good tactical decisions as skipper, Abrar is due wickets, Shaheen is due wickets, Naseem is due wickets.

A lot of rise factors shall combine to help Pakistan turn the tables on England in this series. It will happen.
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Why is anything due for any of these players? Who knows, may be babar is hiding his age and may be his peak is truely over and he is losing his hand eye coordination? May be Riawan is playing to his potential and what we are seeing is his limit? Arbrar has shown now appreciable skills as a legspinners, why is he weed something? And by whom? Why is Naseem due wickets? His average against any decent side is atrocious and why will he suddenly become world beater on the same kind of pitch. Same wirh Shaheen who for all you know doesn't even want to be playing this format. Shan is an actual fraud and doesn't even merit a place let alone due runs.

No one is due anything. If they truely have skills they will come back in the series. England is a beatable team. They can do it if they bring the required skills and are motivated to do well. Right now players look like they neither have the skills or motivation to do well for their country
 
2001 was the result.

I encourage those interested to read Laxman's book '281 and Beyond' to see what happened behind the scenes. Particularly the details around a camp held by John Wright in Chennai in the winter of 2000-01 which was instrumental for Indian cricket for the next decade.
 
SportsWarrior said:
Why is anything due for any of these players? Who knows, may be babar is hiding his age and may be his peak is truely over and he is losing his hand eye coordination? May be Riawan is playing to his potential and what we are seeing is his limit? Arbrar has shown now appreciable skills as a legspinners, why is he weed something? And by whom? Why is Naseem due wickets? His average against any decent side is atrocious and why will he suddenly become world beater on the same kind of pitch. Same wirh Shaheen who for all you know doesn't even want to be playing this format. Shan is an actual fraud and doesn't even merit a place let alone due runs.

No one is due anything. If they truely have skills they will come back in the series. England is a beatable team. They can do it if they bring the required skills and are motivated to do well. Right now players look like they neither have the skills or motivation to do well for their country
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Especially after Bangladesh winning from a situation 26/6. In Tests you need to win multiple key sessions. Winning a session here and there won't cut it. Pakistan won 3 or 4 sessions upfront. Still they went on to lose the Test as they lost the rest of the sessions.
 
I really feel that if you put a prime Navjot Sidhu in this Pakistan test team, he would be their best batter and he is more known for his comedy judge appearance in India than Cricket.

Even if a team is bad, they should actually be able to defeat teams in their home grounds, even the worst of teams have managed that. The only teams who regularly lose in home conditions are actual minnows.
 
SportsWarrior said:
Why is anything due for any of these players? Who knows, may be babar is hiding his age and may be his peak is truely over and he is losing his hand eye coordination? May be Riawan is playing to his potential and what we are seeing is his limit? Arbrar has shown now appreciable skills as a legspinners, why is he weed something? And by whom? Why is Naseem due wickets? His average against any decent side is atrocious and why will he suddenly become world beater on the same kind of pitch. Same wirh Shaheen who for all you know doesn't even want to be playing this format. Shan is an actual fraud and doesn't even merit a place let alone due runs.

No one is due anything. If they truely have skills they will come back in the series. England is a beatable team. They can do it if they bring the required skills and are motivated to do well. Right now players look like they neither have the skills or motivation to do well for their country
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If you would have followed Babar’s cricketing journey throughout his career, you would realize that his stated age is accurate. Babar is just going through a mid career slump like a lot of other batsmen. It is not an old age decline like Kohli in Test cricket.

It is a common problem for cricket fans because most people cannot look beyond their nose, and any player who has a prolonged slump at the age of 29-30 is considered as a spent force.

We all remember what people said about Root when he averaged mid 30s for nearly two years prior to 2021 and just couldn’t score hundreds.

Babar’s best years are ahead of him. There is no doubt about.

Rizwan averages 18 vs England compared to a career average of 43. He is clearly not playing to even 50% of his potential and he is bound to go big vs England at some point.

The bowlers will also be amongst the wickets at some point under the guidance of Gillespie, and they don’t need someone to run through England - all they need is 2-3 front-line bowlers getting 2 wickets a piece.

When you push something too much, it recoils. There is a reaction. The Pakistan players are getting abused, insulted and humiliated from all quarters and they are not oblivious. Your ego and your pride will kick in at some point and you will eventually get the rub of the green.

There is also a great degree of arrogance amongst the critics these days to the point where they don’t even want to give a chance to a bunch of individuals and don’t even want to consider the possibility of them producing success even though they have all done it in various capacities at some point previously.

This is why I’m convinced that Pakistan will make a comeback in this series. You can call it a fluke, a punch above their weight, a flash in the pan, whatever, but I don’t see England walking away with a 3-0 whitewash here.
 
Bobby and Riz are due for runs and are going to make unmatched historic records with the bat.

With supporting wickets, SSA, Naseem and spinners can run through the Brit lineup like a sharp knife through a cake.

There is no escape for the Poms now that the tigers are trapped. The cornered tigers are going to trounce the Poms in the remaining matches.
:inti
 
Time for government to completely outsource entire cricketing operation from every level (grassroot, domestic & international) to multi national company for at least 5 years or even more with strong accountability and KPIs. There shouldn't be any involvement of politicians, ex cricketers in set up and no influence of media. Only strong MNC which can work with full authority and without any external influence and change the current pathetic state of affairs
 
Devadwal said:
Toughest tour in test cricket

Asian teams are playing in SENA countries.

SENA teams are playing in India .
Pakistan team is playing in Pakistan . :kp
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You are making it sound like Pakistan is winning everywhere else.
 
Sidhu averaged a very respectable 42 in a tough period. Just because you only know him from comedy shows doesn't mean everyone else does too and yes, very likely be the best batsman in the current Pakistan team.
jeeteshssaxena said:
I really feel that if you put a prime Navjot Sidhu in this Pakistan test team, he would be their best batter and he is more known for his comedy judge appearance in India than Cricket.

Even if a team is bad, they should actually be able to defeat teams in their home grounds, even the worst of teams have managed that. The only teams who regularly lose in home conditions are actual minnows.
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Man...im looking for Pak supporters on these threads despite the gloom...and there is only one bar me?
Mamoon?...keep the torch high.
 
It's unlikely unless we produce a green mamba and the roll of the dice goes our way
 
Mamoon said:
Babar is due runs, Rizwan is due runs, Saim is due runs, Shan is due some good fortunate and good tactical decisions as skipper, Abrar is due wickets, Shaheen is due wickets, Naseem is due wickets.

A lot of rise factors shall combine to help Pakistan turn the tables on England in this series. It will happen.
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You probably have 200 million+ Inshallahs right there.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar is due runs, Rizwan is due runs, Saim is due runs, Shan is due some good fortunate and good tactical decisions as skipper, Abrar is due wickets, Shaheen is due wickets, Naseem is due wickets.

A lot of rise factors shall combine to help Pakistan turn the tables on England in this series. It will happen.
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I thought you hated saim? And hated Shan? And hated naseem?

Infact you hate Shan more then I do? As for the rest yes their due runs and wickets but I've seen your comments talking about how

- You're glad that Saim is failing so that @Rana Can't gloat

- You hate Naseem and mentioned his weight gain and how he's nothing

- You despise Shan and consider him medicore

Now you're saying their all due runs, Shan is due good fortune and is suddenly a good tactical skipper? And that naseem is due some good form?

What made you change your mind now? You change your mind more often then a girl changes her clothes my dude.
 
Mamoon said:
I wrote before the series that Pakistan will emerge as winners and I am sticking to what I said because it is the natural progression.

Pakistan have been too poor for too long and ultimately you will have a reaction, a lot of players who have not been in good touch lately will come good.

I think we will see better pitches in the remaining two Tests and two very good performances from Pakistan to overturn this series 2-1.
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Three steps ahead of everyone as always.
 
Rana said:
Probably Bashir
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Varun said:
2001 was the result.

I encourage those interested to read Laxman's book '281 and Beyond' to see what happened behind the scenes. Particularly the details around a camp held by John Wright in Chennai in the winter of 2000-01 which was instrumental for Indian cricket for the next decade.
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Can you summarize please?

Would love to know more..
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't recall the Indian team ever being at this kind of low-point. Don't recall India losing a test series to Zimbabwe at home, who I guess would be the Bangladesh equivalent for that time. Even when India were a rubbish side they didn't lose at home.
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India did lose a test series to Srilanka in 1985. When Sri Lanka was very new to Test cricket and a minnow. But that was in Srilanka.
 
Pakistan has cracked the code to beat England in Pakistan. They need to make a spin track but they also need the toss to go in their favor.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
The first class system is clearly broken and can't be trusted to cultivate players or give them competitive experience.

They should pick their best in the u16s and send them on a sponsored 2 year stint in UK or OZ club cricket otherwise another generation will be wasted.
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That won't work either because after two years they'll all have enrolled in Australian unis, applied for PR, gotten married to locals, and have kids on the way.
 
mominsaigol said:
I thought you hated saim? And hated Shan? And hated naseem?

Infact you hate Shan more then I do? As for the rest yes their due runs and wickets but I've seen your comments talking about how

- You're glad that Saim is failing so that @Rana Can't gloat

- You hate Naseem and mentioned his weight gain and how he's nothing

- You despise Shan and consider him medicore

Now you're saying their all due runs, Shan is due good fortune and is suddenly a good tactical skipper? And that naseem is due some good form?

What made you change your mind now? You change your mind more often then a girl changes her clothes my dude.
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Bro, you gotta keep up. Back then, he was two steps behind. Now he's enlightened and "three steps ahead of everyone as always". You just gotta trust.
 
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