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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

Syed1 said:
My response was specifically for the poster who said that Pandya has achieved so much in international cricket while Fahim hasn't done anything. The Indians are making it out as if Pandya is some well established player snapping at the heels of Stokes as best alrounder.

I agree that hattrick isn't a measure of how good a bowler is, but you have to be slightly better than average to take a hattrick in international cricket.


Ashraf was also by far our best pacer in NZ, anybody who had actually seen the matches would attest to that fact. Even the commentators were impressed by him, his ability to hit the deck, vary the pace when required, maintain good channels or bowl 140+ if the situation demands, but if you look at the scorecard it would show mediocre trundler Rumman Raees as the highest wicket-taker even though he got phainti match after match.
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I agree that he is talented and both him and Pandya have a long way to go in International cricket. They are too green for us to call one better than the other. Pandya was a total flop with the bat in SA except for one test innings but did well with the ball. So he has to improve a lot to be called an all-rounder in world cricket. Heath Streak who was a very good all-rounder was hugely underrated. These two haven't even reached his level yet in world cricket and the fans of both the countries are making them out to be the next Imran and Kapil.
 
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International career summaries so far.

Pandya Age -> 24 yrs 154 days
in Tests - 1 MOM from 6 tests with 2 50's and a 100
in ODIs ' 3 MOM, 1 MOS from 39 matches; 4 50's
in T20I's - Once defended 10 runs in last over in world T20 with 3 wickets off last 3 balls (with one run out)

Faheem Age -> 24 yrs 57 days
in T20I's - 1 hattrick. Bolwing average 13.30 in 7 matches
 
Oligochaetes said:
International career summaries so far.

Pandya Age -> 24 yrs 154 days
in Tests - 1 MOM from 6 tests with 2 50's and a 100
in ODIs ' 3 MOM, 1 MOS from 39 matches; 4 50's
in T20I's - Once defended 10 runs in last over in world T20 with 3 wickets off last 3 balls (with one run out)

Faheem Age -> 24 yrs 57 days
in T20I's - 1 hattrick. Bolwing average 13.30 in 7 matches
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Thats bcz Pandya has played more, credit to India that they are playing him every match. Pakistan is bit spoiled with bowling options and some spin bowling all rounders however, I believe Faheem should definitely be inducted in tests in near future for that 5th bowling option and aggressive batsman at no 7. He will be useful in UAE if you want to play two spinners and in overseas tests as well.

Both are talented we will come to see in WC 19 and in 2 years time who is better.
 
Titan24 said:
Thats bcz Pandya has played more, credit to India that they are playing him every match. Pakistan is bit spoiled with bowling options and some spin bowling all rounders however, I believe Faheem should definitely be inducted in tests in near future for that 5th bowling option and aggressive batsman at no 7. He will be useful in UAE if you want to play two spinners and in overseas tests as well.

Both are talented we will come to see in WC 19 and in 2 years time who is better.
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A team that 'spoiled' with bowling options wouldn't be getting thrashed and humiliated 5-0 by NZ, or be perpetually be ranked at the bottom with minnows.
 
AMSS said:
A team that 'spoiled' with bowling options wouldn't be getting thrashed and humiliated 5-0 by NZ, or be perpetually be ranked at the bottom with minnows.
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I’m not saying that we’re spoiled for choices in terms of bowling (we do have some quality bowlers coming through p), but the bowlers did their job on the NZ tour. The batting is what let us down.
 
AMSS said:
A team that 'spoiled' with bowling options wouldn't be getting thrashed and humiliated 5-0 by NZ, or be perpetually be ranked at the bottom with minnows.
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India lost 4-0 in NZ, what happened there?

Atleast do some research before posting.

It was our Batting that let us down. Their highest scorer was Guptil with 310 runs and ours was Zaman with 150 runs which were literally half and rest of the batsmen also didnt contribute much.

With so heavy batting lineup at their home we let them score 300 only once.
 
Titan24 said:
India lost 4-0 in NZ, what happened there?

Atleast do some research before posting.

It was our Batting that let us down. Their highest scorer was Guptil with 310 runs and ours was Zaman with 150 runs which were literally half and rest of the batsmen also didnt contribute much.

With so heavy batting lineup at their home we let them score 300 only once.
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What has India's loss there got to do with your claim that Pakistan is a team spoiled with bowling riches? Your team got its behind handed to them on a cheap use and throw paper plate. Your team is also consistently ranked at the bottom with minnows for several years now. That doesn't sound like a team overflowing with bowling resources. You say Guptil scored 310 without pausing to reflect how he could do against a team 'spoiled' with bowling resources. LOL!
 
Oligochaetes said:
International career summaries so far.

Pandya Age -> 24 yrs 154 days
in Tests - 1 MOM from 6 tests with 2 50's and a 100
in ODIs ' 3 MOM, 1 MOS from 39 matches; 4 50's
in T20I's - Once defended 10 runs in last over in world T20 with 3 wickets off last 3 balls (with one run out)

Faheem Age -> 24 yrs 57 days
in T20I's - 1 hattrick. Bolwing average 13.30 in 7 matches
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Pandya proved himself a lot more in International matches than Faheem.

Both are work in progress....Let's see who will bring more glory in WC'19!
 
Titan24 said:
India lost 4-0 in NZ, what happened there?

Atleast do some research before posting.

It was our Batting that let us down. Their highest scorer was Guptil with 310 runs and ours was Zaman with 150 runs which were literally half and rest of the batsmen also didnt contribute much.

With so heavy batting lineup at their home we let them score 300 only once.
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Hahaha. Epic, so for being a good bowling unit no batsman should score any runs against you what so ever. Aus Bowling must be pretty rubbish as ABD scored a century against them.
 
Faheem is nobody yet in international cricket. I don't know how can pak posters hype a guy so much who didn't even have a 30 runs once while batting. Atleast Pandya has so many noteworthy innings.
 
dhonixi said:
Faheem is nobody yet in international cricket. I don't know how can pak posters hype a guy so much who didn't even have a 30 runs once while batting. Atleast Pandya has so many noteworthy innings.
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Potential ...talent bahut hai :ashwin only performance is pending !
 
IndianFan2018 said:
Potential ...talent bahut hai :ashwin only performance is pending !
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Faheem may not have scored runs in ODIs or tests, or taken as many wickets as Pandya. But he's surely more "talented". Proof? not required. By default, he counts as more talented and will stay that way. To this day, the likes of Umar Akmal etc are considered more "talented".

After all, If you ask Razzaq etc, Ahmed Shehzad is more talented than Tendulkar. And according to Waqar, PSL bowling is "better" than most leagues. Never mind the likes of Luke Ronchi are running hogwild over the bowlers, and Brendon McCullum is on record saying that the bowlers are not able to execute simple bowling plans.
 
dhonixi said:
Faheem is nobody yet in international cricket. I don't know how can pak posters hype a guy so much who didn't even have a 30 runs once while batting. Atleast Pandya has so many noteworthy innings.
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Pandya is a nobody in international cricket too. You lot are acting as if he is some well established super star player.


The thread is a comparison between two nobodies.
 
Syed1 said:
Pandya is a nobody in international cricket too. You lot are acting as if he is some well established super star player.


The thread is a comparison between two nobodies.
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This has been the problem throughout this thread. People are acting as though Pandya is some Imran/Kallis level player and Faheem is like Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti
 
Syed1 said:
Pandya is a nobody in international cricket too. You lot are acting as if he is some well established super star player.


The thread is a comparison between two nobodies.
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Well Pandya averaged 33+ with the bat, along with a strike rate of 118+ in his first THIRTY ODI matches. Those numbers are quite impressive for someone you want to dismiss as a "nobody". If a Pakistani batsman can match those numbers over 20+ games, and was a comparable fielder or bowler to Pandya, I think this forum would crash in the collective hype chaos.
 
This thread should be locked for a couple of years, one guy has played 15 matches and the other 75 and this thread has the sort of replies expected from a Imran vs Kapil thread. Both players have a lot to proce, particularly Ashraf. Pandya is ahead atm
 
Both are relatively new to the international cricket but I'm more excited for Faheem Ashraf as i feel he is better bowler of the two.
 
Faheem has already an hattrick to his name while Pandya always leaks runs..Pandya is a part timer for Mumbai in IPL..Rarely he finish his spells.
 
Syed1 said:
Pandya is a nobody in international cricket too. You lot are acting as if he is some well established super star player.


The thread is a comparison between two nobodies.
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Fun of this thread is comparision of two upcoming alrounders (both work in progress as I keep saying this), as soon as one does well in any form respective fans get excited and bump !

Let the healthy banter continue till WC'19 to get more calrity! :19:
 
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Lol! What a joke thread. Both Pandya and Ashraf are just about learning their trade. Forget stokes et al, both India and Pakistan would be happy if they ended up even at Jason Holder level
 
I hope they first target to become Jason holder... It is easier to target, Holder is just 26 and already has 100s both format, 1000 runs in both format, 100 Wickets in ODI and 50+ wickets in Tests.. that is a solid goal for both of them to achieve in next to years
 
Faheem needs to bat higher up to improve. He should bat at 3 or 4 to get maximum exposure and time in the middle. He shouldn't be batting at 8/9
 
Both are aspiring to be style icons. Faheem wins that battle. Pandya is clutch and Faheem didn't get a chance to be clutch yet. That one goes to Pandya. Both bowl at the same pace between 135 and 140 and pick wickets. Faheem edges in bowling. Pandya can bat big and although inconsistent has a decent average. He was one hit away from a century against SA in the 1st test when everyone else flopped on a tough pitch. Pandya takes the batting honors. Fahim is a good fielder but Pandya is one of the best in the world. Pandya wins the Fielding battle. So it's 4-2 Pandya for now
 
Titan24 said:
Thats bcz Pandya has played more, credit to India that they are playing him every match. Pakistan is bit spoiled with bowling options and some spin bowling all rounders however, I believe Faheem should definitely be inducted in tests in near future for that 5th bowling option and aggressive batsman at no 7. He will be useful in UAE if you want to play two spinners and in overseas tests as well.

Both are talented we will come to see in WC 19 and in 2 years time who is better.
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I think it proves that Pandya is objectively a better player at the present time. Who knows what the future holds? Faheem has shown promise with the ball, and can swing the bat, but Pandya is the more accomplished cricketer right now.

At the present time, Pandya is also more developed as a batsman for sure and they are both on par, for me, with the ball, though Faheem showing some potential here.
 
rhony said:
Both are aspiring to be style icons. Faheem wins that battle. Pandya is clutch and Faheem didn't get a chance to be clutch yet. That one goes to Pandya. Both bowl at the same pace between 135 and 140 and pick wickets. Faheem edges in bowling. Pandya can bat big and although inconsistent has a decent average. He was one hit away from a century against SA in the 1st test when everyone else flopped on a tough pitch. Pandya takes the batting honors. Fahim is a good fielder but Pandya is one of the best in the world. Pandya wins the Fielding battle. So it's 4-2 Pandya for now
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What? Have you seen his hairstyle of late? Although he does win it in comparison to Pandya, come to think of it.
 
UN talkz said:
His brother looks the real deal.
Nitish Rana is good as well but he is mediocre and awful against pace.
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Hardik Pandya will come good eventually. Agreed that Krunal can play as a spin all rounder in T20 team. Can be a valuable piece there. He can may be replace Chahal in T20 team.

Nitish Rana is overrated. He can stick to IPL.

So far to me, Samson looks like he is ready to finally step into the Indian team. But MSD has to vacate his spot at least in the T20 team for starters.
 
troodon said:
Hardik Pandya will come good eventually. Agreed that Krunal can play as a spin all rounder in T20 team. Can be a valuable piece there. He can may be replace Chahal in T20 team.

Nitish Rana is overrated. He can stick to IPL.

So far to me, Samson looks like he is ready to finally step into the Indian team. But MSD has to vacate his spot at least in the T20 team for starters.
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Krunal needs to be in squad ahead of Axar, who is mediocre at best.
 
UN talkz said:
Krunal needs to be in squad ahead of Axar, who is mediocre at best.
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Our selectors are dumb.

Krunal and one of Mavi/Nagarkoti should have played the Nidahas trophy in Srilanka. It was a golden opportunity to try out a few youngsters. Instead we played DK, Pandey and the same bunch that have failed in the last 1 year.

Even Rohit should have rested and one of Gill or Shaw could have been tested there. What is the point of playing a tournament when that tournament will not even be remembered a week after it is done is beyond me.
 
troodon said:
Our selectors are dumb.

Krunal and one of Mavi/Nagarkoti should have played the Nidahas trophy in Srilanka. It was a golden opportunity to try out a few youngsters. Instead we played DK, Pandey and the same bunch that have failed in the last 1 year.

Even Rohit should have rested and one of Gill or Shaw could have been tested there. What is the point of playing a tournament when that tournament will not even be remembered a week after it is done is beyond me.
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It is not only the Indian National Selectors; just look at the treatment given to Mavi and Gill by KKR, Gill batted at 7 and Mavi bowled a grand total of 1 over and i think it was 14th over of the innings.
 
UN talkz said:
It is not only the Indian National Selectors; just look at the treatment given to Mavi and Gill by KKR, Gill batted at 7 and Mavi bowled a grand total of 1 over and i think it was 14th over of the innings.
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Indian think tanks seem to have their trust in tried & Tested Trundlers over a dashing teen who can bowl quick and has skill.

Hope they don't let Mavi and Nagarkoti toil in domestics until they are 25 :facepalm:
 
UN talkz said:
Krunal needs to be in squad ahead of Axar, who is mediocre at best.
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I think Krunal is competing with Washington Sundar for a spot in Indian team. Sundar is a bowling all rounder and Krunal is a batting AR. Indian team needs a bowling AR especially if they are replacing Chahal or Kuldeep. Those two are the first choice spinners in LOIs
 
UN talkz said:
It is not only the Indian National Selectors; just look at the treatment given to Mavi and Gill by KKR, Gill batted at 7 and Mavi bowled a grand total of 1 over and i think it was 14th over of the innings.
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And we were told this Pyjama League helps youngsters and groom them for internationals. There is a reason no youngster(under 19) has made a debut for indian team in the past couple of years. Guys like Mavi, Nagarkotti, Gill should be in the A team as soon as possible. They will learn nothing playing in Pyjama League.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
And we were told this Pyjama League helps youngsters and groom them for internationals. There is a reason no youngster(under 19) has made a debut for indian team in the past couple of years. Guys like Mavi, Nagarkotti, Gill should be in the A team as soon as possible. They will learn nothing playing in Pyjama League.
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Yeah Washington Sundar is 39 and expecting his first grandchild. Lol do you have an agenda against franchise cricket or what? Come on man, atleast make an effort if you're trying to troll. India used to thrown in 'talented youngsters' every year in the 90s and nobody outside India (maybe even inside) remembers any of them.
 
Playing infront of 50k people with international players, with the guidance of coaches like Kalis in eden garden will not add any value to an youngster. Wow. You won’t hear this anywhere else.

Just sit at home and wait till domestic games start later this year.
 
A fast bowling all rounder is a rarity in cricket simply due the excess load and the amount of cricket played these days. If you take a look M Marsh has reduced his bowling and if he succeeds with the bat he will move to become a proper batsman who doesnt bowl. So that leaves us with Stokes as the only world class FB all rounder, along with Corey Anderson who is perpetually injured. Fahim and Hardik are talents and will take about 2-3 years more to find their feet. Till then you have to accept that they will perform either with bat or ball and flounder and frustrate with the other which is still fine if they do well in the other dept. Personally from what I have seen, I think Hardik is a better batsman while Faheem is a better bowler amongst the 2 now.
 
Rishta Aunty said:
Yeah Washington Sundar is 39 and expecting his first grandchild. Lol do you have an agenda against franchise cricket or what? Come on man, atleast make an effort if you're trying to troll. India used to thrown in 'talented youngsters' every year in the 90s and nobody outside India (maybe even inside) remembers any of them.
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Agenda against IPL ...:srini
 
His fluke inning against Pakistan made fool out of lots of posters here, his batting is worst than Bhuvneshwar Kumar. His score today 3(19) against Sunrisers was a prove of that
 
badsha001 said:
His fluke inning against Pakistan made fool out of lots of posters here, his batting is worst than Bhuvneshwar Kumar. His score today 3(19) against Sunrisers was a prove of that
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He batted well against Aussies in the last series and also has a test hundred to boot.So definitely not a mug with bat.
 
At this stage, seeing how Pandya is progressing as a person and Cricketer, I would take half-sleepy and limping 50 yr old Future-Faheem over this Hack Pandya.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Serious question here, was this the worst t20 league innings ever?
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Not really if you watched the whole innings. Mumbai needed like 40 off last 3 overs with only one wicket in hand when he was 3(8). So he took most of the strike from there on, didn't take any singles even when it was on, and couldn't hit boundaries either. So his innings ended up a lot worse in terms of strike rate. Mumbai were dead and buried even before he was playing out maidens. So he wasn't the reason for this loss. Coming to the worst innings, Yuvraj's wins hands down.
 
Tyler Durden said:
At this stage, seeing how Pandya is progressing as a person and Cricketer, I would take half-sleepy and limping 50 yr old Future-Faheem over this Hack Pandya.
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In a league with high quality batsmanship and flatter pitches, he's taken 7 wickets @15 in 5 matches which is slightly better than Ashraf's PSL performance! He's doing alright for a 24 year old, has bowled 140+ when
fit, needs some more consistency with the bat
 
King Kong said:
Not really if you watched the whole innings. Mumbai needed like 40 off last 3 overs with only one wicket in hand when he was 3(8). So he took most of the strike from there on, didn't take any singles even when it was on, and couldn't hit boundaries either. So his innings ended up a lot worse in terms of strike rate. Mumbai were dead and buried even before he was playing out maidens. So he wasn't the reason for this loss. Coming to the worst innings, Yuvraj's wins hands down.
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Pandya came in when they needed 46 off 41, Yuvraj's came in international not league cricket. Dhoni's 4(7) in the last 2 overs in the same match is also a contender
 
Pandya is totally off color this season. He just doesn't attempt to play big shots. He is more into "extra curricular activities" like Vinod Kambli. He is not dedicated like someone like Kohli.
 
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Can't count Pandya out.

Gets smashed for 20 runs in his first over. Then gets a brilliant run out of Mccullum who hammered him. Follows up by getting 3 wkts for 8 runs in his next two overs.

Now delivering with the bat, 24* (17).
 
Napa said:
Can't count Pandya out.

Gets smashed for 20 runs in his first over. Then gets a brilliant run out of Mccullum who hammered him. Follows up by getting 3 wkts for 8 runs in his next two overs.

Now delivering with the bat, 23* (16).
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No one knows How good is pandya,apart from pandya himself.
 
Napa said:
Can't count Pandya out.

Gets smashed for 20 runs in his first over. Then gets a brilliant run out of Mccullum who hammered him. Follows up by getting 3 wkts for 8 runs in his next two overs.

Now delivering with the bat, 24* (17).
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He certainly has an x factor. He can definitely change the game with his fielding and is a decent hitter. He has the knack of picking wickets but needs to be more consistent with his bowling
 
Savage said:
No one knows How good is pandya,apart from pandya himself.
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He proved himself to be good enough at international level. Considering Shankar is the next best alternative, Pandya is a certainty in the team. He is still very young and should improve
 
rhony said:
He proved himself to be good enough at international level. Considering Shankar is the next best alternative, Pandya is a certainty in the team. He is still very young and should improve
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Perhaps Yes.He is quite an unpredictable Player.One thing I know for sure is that he was outstanding last year in ODIs.
 
Is it just me or does his attitude suck? Seems to ooze arrogance and seems to have developed a superstar complex. His game doesn't seems to have improved in the past year, especially his well documented struggles against pace.

India would have lost an incredibly talented player if this continues.
 
I have never seen him Pandya finish match with bat apart from one fluke IPl match(was dropped once in last over and got 4 in last over by misfielding) in 2016.

He needs to become better finisher.
 
Pandya boy played that one mandatory good knock as an all rounder to cement his place in the team for next series and perhaps the world cup too. But I only wish he chased this down today. And he is playing our next Finisher role sadly.
 
Kohli said:
Regressing at a good pace is Pandya.

50 from 42, and lost the match for his team.
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A run out, 3 wickets and a 50. He didnt lose the game. He was the reason the game was close. Fine performance.
 
I'm happy that Faheem is scoring but it was an idiotic move to bump this thread.
 
ArsenalFC said:
I would take Pandya's 90 in SA over even a double hundred in Dublin anyday. Lets not get carried away. Like yourself I'm pleased with Fahim's ascendency.
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It’s not about that. It’s not even about this innings.
 
ArsenalFC said:
I would take Pandya's 90 in SA over even a double hundred in Dublin anyday. Lets not get carried away. Like yourself I'm pleased with Fahim's ascendency.
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That innings may be good but at the end of the day it was not impactful

If Faheem's innings can make Pakistan win from here in such swinging conditions I will take this innings over that one.

Plus Faheem has way way better FC stats than Pandya who has been the most overrated player I have seen from India.
 
Seeing old posts and once again Pakistanis showing so much negativity on a great young prospect like Faheem.

When will we start being patient with youngsters? Serious question.
Bhai thora time to do.

If Faheem can somehow tighten his defense and he can become a really good player for us. He has all the shots required for late middle order batsman. Already improved a lot in bowling in 1 year.

Potential aside, the thing about Faheem is he is a very hardworking guy and have great team player attitude. We have to back such players.
 
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Bleedgreen4ever said:
That innings may be good but at the end of the day it was not impactful

If Faheem's innings can make Pakistan win from here in such swinging conditions I will take this innings over that one.

Plus Faheem has way way better FC stats than Pandya who has been the most overrated player I have seen from India.
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only reason why it wasn't impactful was because the rest of his team struggled while he played a very brisk innings. If the batting half clicked it could have been a match defining knock giving India the extra test needed to secure the series.

Lol at " that innings may be good" it was up there with the ones played by AB de Villiers and Kohli.
 
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