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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

Faheem is decent ODI cricketer but the over hype here is from the same guy who said Fakhar zaman is the best best opener in the world and couple of others.
 
Pandya's hitting and fielding talent is at another level and Pakistanis should be humble and fair enough to accept that.

His bowling is average at best. How is Faheem with the ball?
 
Well I did try to tell y'all. The people who were saying , "give them both time" was just a cop out. Hardik had shown potential since his debut than Faheem.

Thread over. Hardik is much better in every facet than Faheem.
 
Comparison thread.

Indians come to cheer for their players without knowing or watching anything of the other player.

/routine.
 
Mamoon said:
Some people will never learn.
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Agreed with your point that we do not need some medium pace bowling but we need his batting where Fahim is a pure tailender,Hassan is better bat than him which sums up everything.
 
Faheem > Pandya in Bowling
Pandya > Faheem in Batting

We’ll find out who’s the better of the 2 in the WC
 
Excellent cameo from Pandya. He is levels above Faheem.

To put this comparison into perspective consider this, firstly we know Pakistan plays it's full strength team in bilateral T20Is and if you look at the team sheet of today's game, Faheem's exclusion proves he is struggling to make the first XI of a T20 team.

Let him cement a place in a mediocre side before we compare him with Pandya, who would walk into Pakistan's side in all formats.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Pandya's hitting and fielding talent is at another level and Pakistanis should be humble and fair enough to accept that.

His bowling is average at best. How is Faheem with the ball?
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On talent scale, he can make most teams as 2nd pacer.

On stats scale, he has played 10 games against NZ, IND & SAF - averages 62 with an economy of 5.5 and SR of 67......
 
Pandya is an impact player.
One of the best fielders in the team
Good finisher
Bowls around 130-140 which is very good for the team.

He is way ahead of Faheem Ashraf
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Faheem > Pandya in Bowling
Pandya > Faheem in Batting

We’ll find out who’s the better of the 2 in the WC
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This is like saying

Chahal > Babar in bowling
Chahal < Babar in batting


Panda helped India win a test match in England. He defended very few runs in 20th overs to win match for India.
 
MMHS said:
On talent scale, he can make most teams as 2nd pacer.

On stats scale, he has played 10 games against NZ, IND & SAF - averages 62 with an economy of 5.5 and SR of 67......
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You mean on a subjective scale he can be the second best bowler in most teams but objectively he is useless? Let's see he will not be the second steamer in India, NZ, Australia and South Africa. May be England? But in England to be a second seamer you need to be good batter which he is certainly not. WI? Iam sure holder is better than him even as a third seamer.. Only teams he probably can walk in as second seamer are BD and SL and most decent seamers from any part of the world can walk into those two teams currently as second seamer.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This is like saying

Chahal > Babar in bowling
Chahal < Babar in batting


Panda helped India win a test match in England. He defended very few runs in 20th overs to win match for India.
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Lol wut? Babar isn’t considered as a wrist spinner and neither is Chahal considered as a batsman. Both Faheem and Pandya are considered as all rounders hence the comparisons.

Faheem Ashraf also helped Pakistan win the first test at lords last year with a 72 run partnership with Shadab Khan.
 
Lol Faheem did nothing of note to show for with the ball, an out and out minnowbasher with the ball and worse than Bhuvi with bat. Pandya has multiple match wining bowling performances and a five-for in England, as I said there is no comparison whatsoever.
 
Faheem is one of the most mediocre cricketers any nation has ever produced. No venom in his bowling and a truly awful batsman.

Pandya is world class. He has grit, guts and determination.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
No, Faheem hasn’t defended a score against the mighty Bangladesh in the last over - something which can only be achieved by legends.
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Wasn't it the same mighty Bangladesh that defeated a minnow Pakistan in two successive Asia cups in 2 different formats.
 
Calm down please. This is normal for Hardik Pandya. This thread should only be bumped when he performs which is mostly once per 5-6 innings. Save the bandwidth, save the forum. :inti
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Yep, and you’ll be saying that for Sri Lanka too who put your lads back on earth!
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Atleast Sri Lanka had whitewashed a team in its own den nit sure if Pak has dobe that. So cannot compare them both.

But you still haven't answered my question. Has FA done anything of note?
 
Both are pretty mediocre but FA seems to be worse than mediocre.. Hardik is winning so far but that's nothing to be happy about he's very inconsistent at the moment and unless he improves his consistency he will be a liability in long run.

Faheem on the other hand is even worse and needs to be dropped for a better AR.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Both are pretty mediocre but FA seems to be worse than mediocre.. Hardik is winning so far but that's nothing to be happy about he's very inconsistent at the moment and unless he improves his consistency he will be a liability in long run.

Faheem on the other hand is even worse and needs to be dropped for a better AR.
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Thanks for some sense.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Both are pretty mediocre but FA seems to be worse than mediocre.. Hardik is winning so far but that's nothing to be happy about he's very inconsistent at the moment and unless he improves his consistency he will be a liability in long run.

Faheem on the other hand is even worse and needs to be dropped for a better AR.
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Already proved he is not an all rounder. He is ab owler who can bat just like guys like Starc, Hasan ali, Cummins. Pandya is very inconsistent. But he is still an all rounder.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Already proved he is not an all rounder. He is ab owler who can bat just like guys like Starc, Hasan ali, Cummins. Pandya is very inconsistent. But he is still an all rounder.
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Doesn't matter Pakistan can get better bowlers than faheem who can't be much worse than him in batting..

Pakistan always has had a tendency to keep producing good bowlers for short term Umar Gul, Rana naved, Junaid khan, amir, all were top notch for short period of time.. Now they have another kid with very high potential let's see how he goes.
So I am surprised why they are playing Faheem surely they have plenty of better pace bowling options than him in domestics.
 
Faheem is a better bowler for sure, But his batting is almost non existent at the moment. Pandiya is obviously a better batsman and can roll his arm over for 5/6 overs specially if India play their full strength bowling line-up which helps him get a few wicket by the pressure created by others.

Definitely as an all rounder Pandiya is ahead.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Doesn't matter Pakistan can get better bowlers than faheem who can't be much worse than him in batting..

Pakistan always has had a tendency to keep producing good bowlers for short term Umar Gul, Rana naved, Junaid khan, amir, all were top notch for short period of time.. Now they have another kid with very high potential let's see how he goes.
So I am surprised why they are playing Faheem surely they have plenty of better pace bowling options than him in domestics.
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Faheem should only play in T20s where one or two hits matter. ODIs is his worst format because you never need 4 fast bowlers in that format. He is okay for SENA test matches as he can definitely do a job of a 4th fast bowler and sometimes can hang around like he did in UK.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Yes. ofcourse. Not like Faheem averages 26 over a period of 15 tests or something. He averages 26 after just 4 tests
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Yep, since you’re mentioning that Faheem has played less test matches than Pandya, he has every chance to win as many tests as Pandya has in 15 tests which is 1, lol
 
jnaveen1980 said:
We are going to see about that when i revisit this thread lol
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Test matches are not Won by one player so this is flawed thinking. Fact is Faheem very rarely let anyone down with bowling and actually out performs at least one full time bowler. But his batting so far suggest he is not good enough as a all-rounder. Pandiya on the other hand is extremely mediocre all rounder but at least he is a all rounder who can do a bit of both.
 
Pakhs said:
Test matches are not Won by one player so this is flawed thinking. Fact is Faheem very rarely let anyone down with bowling and actually out performs at least one full time bowler. But his batting so far suggest he is not good enough as a all-rounder. Pandiya on the other hand is extremely mediocre all rounder but at least he is a all rounder who can do a bit of both.
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Faheem is not even a regular in a team that has it's bowling stocks go down in LOIs. So don't tell me he outperforms at least one full bowler. Faheem is below average and Pandya is above average. Pandya just won an ODI game for India in 5th odi with bat and ball. There is no comparison at this point.
 
rhony said:
Faheem is not even a regular in a team that has it's bowling stocks go down in LOIs. So don't tell me he outperforms at least one full bowler. Faheem is below average and Pandya is above average. Pandya just won an ODI game for India in 5th odi with bat and ball. There is no comparison at this point.
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Pandiya is a allrounder but not a very good one if we compare to say Stokes et all. Faheem is just a bowler in my opinion and he is better as a bowler but not good enough as a main bowler. I agree in general no comparison.
 
Pakhs said:
Pandiya is a allrounder but not a very good one if we compare to say Stokes et all. Faheem is just a bowler in my opinion and he is better as a bowler but not good enough as a main bowler. I agree in general no comparison.
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Dont overestimate Stokes either. That dude gave 4 sixers in the final over in a world cup. But he's still a damn good AR and Pandya isn't far off. He is a clean hitter and takes wickets. He's one of the best fielders in the world. If he buckles down, he has a very good potential
 
Faheem probably got intelligence of a hamster, got talent for sure with the bat but we have seen countless eg of having talent without decent brain, I think it's better to look for someone else for an all-rounder role.
 
muhammad saad said:
Faheem probably got intelligence of a hamster, got talent for sure with the bat but we have seen countless eg of having talent without decent brain, I think it's better to look for someone else for an all-rounder role.
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Makes me want to question your understanding of the word "talent". If talent means timing, he can't time the ball. If talent means assured footwork, he got lead feet. If talent means temperment, he got none. If talent means hitting BD bowlers in a practise game in a match box sized ground, then I digress.
 
This tour should be the end of Faheem Ashraf's international career for a good 4-5 years at least. If he is still selected by the management and Inzi, then there is really no excuse for Pakistan's pathetic performances. Faheem has played 43 LOIs and has a highest score of 23. Even Kemar Roach bats better than this guy.

I still remember the days when Pakistan used to discard players after 2 Test matches if he didn't score or took wickets. Lately, Pakistan's problem is giving too much leeway to a player and playing him for 3-4 years in the name of "we are giving him a proper chance". The selectors and the management have gone absolutely 180 degrees on this from the days of the 90s. Guys like Ali Naqvi and Wajahatullah Wasti would've played 60 Test Matches today. But they were discarded after 3-4 failures back then and I would say rightly so.

You have to become ruthless. Can't keep on giving people chances just because you think they are "potentially" good. Potential doesn't win you games. That potential needs to be translated into performances on the field and if it isn't, "thank you very much - please go back to the domestics."
 
Faheem is an absolutely mediocre player. He wouldn’t even make it to playing 11 of Zimbabwe. But in Pakistan, he is playing cuz Mickey thinks he can become Klusener.
Same thing with Fakhar, has been rubbish this whole tour but wont be dropped
 
Faheem is a bowler. End of.

There is no point trying to prove otherwise.
 
rhony said:
Dont overestimate Stokes either. That dude gave 4 sixers in the final over in a world cup. But he's still a damn good AR and Pandya isn't far off. He is a clean hitter and takes wickets. He's one of the best fielders in the world. If he buckles down, he has a very good potential
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Stokes has a better batting technique and also way better when it comes to bowling definetly the best around. Chris Morris and Holder also are good and better than Pandya. Pandya best suit is batting but he is not doing a massive amount even with the bat, with the bowl its clear his overs are opposition best bat to score runs. I agree his fielding is really good but so is stokes etc.
 
rhony said:
Makes me want to question your understanding of the word "talent". If talent means timing, he can't time the ball. If talent means assured footwork, he got lead feet. If talent means temperment, he got none. If talent means hitting BD bowlers in a practise game in a match box sized ground, then I digress.
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I guess you haven't seen him bat in PSL or domestic cricket, he's definitely got some batting talent but that's another story whether he will ever translate his talent to some batting performance because of severe lack of intelligence. Time to move one and let him prove in domestic for atleast couple of years.
 
Pakhs said:
Stokes has a better batting technique and also way better when it comes to bowling definetly the best around. Chris Morris and Holder also are good and better than Pandya. Pandya best suit is batting but he is not doing a massive amount even with the bat, with the bowl its clear his overs are opposition best bat to score runs. I agree his fielding is really good but so is stokes etc.
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Don't let Morris fool you with that innings in the third T20. He's very inconsistent and his bowling can be smashed as well. Infact every bowler in your list can and has been smashed except for Holder. Pandya is a match winner. Morris is not. I did not mention Holder in my post earlier because he usually has limited impact in LOIs compared to tests. But he's an A class all-rounder that can win tests for his team. Stokes is next. I'd rate Pandya more than Morris as Pandya is clutch and Morris isn't. Pandya can turn the game with batting or bowling or Fielding. Just watch NZ 3rd and 5th ODIs to see how he can impact.
 
Whoa.... first time on this page as the question didn't interest me as both are not that great, but its got to 23 pages!??

What the ....?!?!

Read some stupid things like future Indian captain material (hahaha) and Klusener potential.

People! Stop bothering you small and infinite life on this, better spent elsewhere as they'll probably will be better players in the same all-rounder role for both Indian and Pakistan just around the corner and these two will be discarded.
 
Another great series end for Hardik Pandya.

23 runs scored and 131 runs conceded. The most by any bowler in the series, at an economy of 10.91 (also the highest in the series).
 
Mobashir said:
Another great series end for Hardik Pandya.

23 runs scored and 131 runs conceded. The most by any bowler in the series, at an economy of 10.91 (also the highest in the series).
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3 or 4 drops of his bowling. He is coming back from a break. He will definitely be fully ready in England. Wait and watch.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
3 or 4 drops of his bowling. He is coming back from a break. He will definitely be fully ready in England. Wait and watch.
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As if he was setting the world on fire before his 'aaj main karke aya' controversy. He is a bits and pieces cricketer and his brother is no different than him.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
As if he was setting the world on fire before his 'aaj main karke aya' controversy. He is a bits and pieces cricketer and his brother is no different than him.
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23 pages for Pandya and Faheem is way too much for these two. Have to say both are not even proper all rounders, let alone being good, or "best" all rounders.
 
Mobashir said:
23 pages for Pandya and Faheem is way too much for these two. Have to say both are not even proper all rounders, let alone being good, or "best" all rounders.
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I think that's the point both are absolutely mediocre to the core however to get one up against the other set of fans people are trying to prove who is better amongst both these average players..

Generally these kind of threads get bumped after a poor performance or great performance by one of the players in this case both players have given so many poor performances that this thread has gone into 23 pages already..

It's really funny if you think about it..
 
big_gamer007 said:
I think that's the point both are absolutely mediocre to the core however to get one up against the other set of fans people are trying to prove who is better amongst both these average players..

Generally these kind of threads get bumped after a poor performance or great performance by one of the players in this case both players have given so many poor performances that this thread has gone into 23 pages already..

It's really funny if you think about it..
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I was going to write the same thing but you did. You have nailed it perfectly. The real reason this thread was started to feel good about themselves after comparing two mediocre cricketers. If fans are really serious about comparing these two then bring Jason Holder into discussion and see how quickly people will start running away from this thread. :inti
 
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