Even Rayudu hasn't done anything wrong but still fans want him out of the team I wonder why?![]()
Really showing your cricketing knowledge there.
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Even Rayudu hasn't done anything wrong but still fans want him out of the team I wonder why?![]()
Really showing your cricketing knowledge there.
I was going to write the same thing but you did. You have nailed it perfectly. The real reason this thread was started to feel good about themselves after comparing two mediocre cricketers. If fans are really serious about comparing these two then bring Jason Holder into discussion and see how quickly people will start running away from this thread.![]()
I'm a Pakistani fan, and while I expected Faheem Ashraf to be better than rubbish returns he has given so far, I can categorically say Holder is on another galaxy compared to Faheem Ashraf. And Holder deserves it, seeing as how he has quietly gone about his business and worked really hard to be where he is right now.I was going to write the same thing but you did. You have nailed it perfectly. The real reason this thread was started to feel good about themselves after comparing two mediocre cricketers. If fans are really serious about comparing these two then bring Jason Holder into discussion and see how quickly people will start running away from this thread.![]()
I'm a Pakistani fan, and while I expected Faheem Ashraf to be better than rubbish returns he has given so far, I can categorically say Holder is on another galaxy compared to Faheem Ashraf. And Holder deserves it, seeing as how he has quietly gone about his business and worked really hard to be where he is right now.
Stokes and Holder are the only proper all rounders at the moment. Rest are pretenders, and not good enough to say "mein aaj kar ke aaya" as far as the cricket field is concerned.
If you want me to choose between these two rubbish players, then sure I might go for Pandya on the off-chance he gives us a nice 15-20 tullaybaaz runs.I think the first step would be to acknowledge you were wrong about your claims with Faheem > Pandya. The latter has settled this debate. Pandya would walk into Pakistan's team as a hitter alone. Faheem on the other hand is just a fraud.
If you want me to choose between these two rubbish players, then sure I might go for Pandya on the off-chance he gives us a nice 15-20 tullaybaaz runs.
I wasn't wrong. I was replying to shodaybaaz posters who thought Pandya had achieved everything and Faheem had achieved nothing, despite the sample size being too small. Now we have a decent enough sample size, and frankly both are downright garbage.
But ofcourse, another Indian apologist still thinks Hardik Pandya has somehow settled a debate based on his cricketing performances in the recent past. Not surprised![]()
No thanks. We don't another misfiring tullaybaaz, and that's all Pandya has been recently.Pandya would walk into Pakistan's team as a hitter alone - nothing "Indian apologist" about me displaying facts.
Don't let Morris fool you with that innings in the third T20. He's very inconsistent and his bowling can be smashed as well. Infact every bowler in your list can and has been smashed except for Holder. Pandya is a match winner. Morris is not. I did not mention Holder in my post earlier because he usually has limited impact in LOIs compared to tests. But he's an A class all-rounder that can win tests for his team. Stokes is next. I'd rate Pandya more than Morris as Pandya is clutch and Morris isn't. Pandya can turn the game with batting or bowling or Fielding. Just watch NZ 3rd and 5th ODIs to see how he can impact.
No thanks. We don't another misfiring tullaybaaz, and that's all Pandya has been recently.
No thanks. We don't another misfiring tullaybaaz, and that's all Pandya has been recently.
Pandya would walk into Pakistan's team as a hitter alone - nothing "Indian apologist" about me displaying facts.
No thanks. We don't another misfiring tullaybaaz, and that's all Pandya has been recently.
do you really want a poors man afridi again in pak team .i think we have enough of 18 years mediocrity which promises alot but always end short.
we already have a poor mans afridi in asif ali who was hyped to the moon
pandya would be a great addition to the team
As i showed in another thread, with Hardik you'll get a player who has scored more runs per innings than Babar Azam against top 5 ODI teams - for three years running. And that's not all, he has scored them at a SR of 120 compared to Babar's 80.
Pandya would literally be the KEY batsman in the current Pakistan side.
do you really want a poors man afridi again in pak team .i think we have enough of 18 years mediocrity which promises alot but always end short.
I think the first step would be to acknowledge you were wrong about your claims with Faheem > Pandya. The latter has settled this debate. Pandya would walk into Pakistan's team as a hitter alone. Faheem on the other hand is just a fraud.
I don't think they need Pandya. They can bring back Anwar Ali for those 15-20 big hitting runs. He is as inconsistent as Pandya and can also win 1 match out of 10 matches occasionally.![]()
I don't think they need Pandya. They can bring back Anwar Ali for those 15-20 big hitting runs. He is as inconsistent as Pandya and can also win 1 match out of 10 matches occasionally.![]()
It was only last summer when this thread was all about Faheem > Pandya but I guess it was time to conveniently divert this discussion to Pandya's shortcomings rather than his accomplishments since the comparison has been settled.
Everyone was in awe of Faheem last year but it came to my attention having watched him closely in last year's PSL that he was a poor cricketer from the very beginning. Pakistan would be lucky to have Pandya's firepower down the order and if he was a Pakistani I assure he would have been loved to bits on here considering how the green tinted hype brigade were going all bhangra about Faheem all year round in 2018, so much so we were informed by his no.1 cheerleader that he would be a top 2 bowler in other international sides...
i have not made such claim .so don,t inculde me in it.Comparison is still open your love for pandya won,t change that
i have no problem if you hyped pandya to moon.mars or Jupiter .you said he will walk into pakistan hitter only which is completely wrong .we don,t need hitter like him who can barley put a 2 consistent performance with the bat while forget about his bowling which is non existence .Pandya is heavily reliant on indian sucees which don,t expose his batting or bowling .if he plays for us you will see how poor he is
neither pandya or faheem is on my wish list i would like to see someone like holder who can bat properly and can be more than good with the bowl which he is.
Pakistani fans are going through different stages of denial. Few months back, they were adamant that Faheem is better than Pandya. However, they have swallowed the bitter player and now admit something that everyone knew from the word go - Pandya is far better than Faheem.
The next step would be to actually admit that Pandya is a very, very good cricketer. I believe they will overcome this final stage of denial in a year or so.
Why wait for an year? Aren't we meeting head-to-head again in a couple of months? The last time Pandya met Pak on a big stage was all about thrashing the wannabe superstar spinners Imad and Shadab! This time it's not going to be any different! Is this lad Faheem even going to be a part of playing 11?![]()
Why wait for an year? Aren't we meeting head-to-head again in a couple of months? The last time Pandya met Pak on a big stage was all about thrashing the wannabe superstar spinners Imad and Shadab! This time it's not going to be any different! Is this lad Faheem even going to be a part of playing 11?![]()
No love affair, just not bitter over his superiority over a minnow standard all rounder.
If you don't think he would make Pakistan's team as a hitter alone then can you please name me just one lower order hitter who could fulfil this role better than him?
i would love to have jason holder or ben stokes as a allrounder i am fed up afridi tullbazi don,t need his poor mans any more.If you are talking about currently pakistan certainly have imad who is decent hitter
did your team won that match?was it even close .Team had work him out he won,t be feed with spinner again.
The discussion was not about who won that match. It's about Hardik vs Faheem! If you want me to talk about who won against who in ICC tournaments, you will go into hiding! Let's not get there!
Yes I was referring to players in Pakistan. Yes Imad is probably the best lower order hitter in Pakistan but he is certainly not better than Pandya, so to conclude he walks into Pakistan's team as a hitting specialist who can be the 5th/6th bowler in the side.
Just to make this clear I am only referring to LOIs not tests where Pandya needs to improve.
your opinion i would perfer imad over pandya any day because pak team is not top side who will always need a blind hitter alone they need a smart player who can bat decently without slogging ,imad is perfect guy who is averaging 40+ with the bat and have more than 100 strike rate.
As a hitter, Pandya is probably better, but Imad is clearly a more valuable player.You probably haven't watched Pandya bat. Check out the highlights of the recently concluded NZ series. Crisp strokes with great timing. He plays all around the ground. Imad is the best you got but he's more than a few rungs below Pandya in batting because of his limited range. Pandya can pull, cut, drive and smash. Imad's range is just down the ground.
As a hitter, Pandya is probably better, but Imad is clearly a more valuable player.
I think Pandya is an excellent player who is more polished and almost near his peak while Faheem is raw, but a smart player who will only get better.
Pakistani fans are going through different stages of denial. Few months back, they were adamant that Faheem is better than Pandya. However, they have swallowed the bitter player and now admit something that everyone knew from the word go - Pandya is far better than Faheem.
The next step would be to actually admit that Pandya is a very, very good cricketer. I believe they will overcome this final stage of denial in a year or so.
It's not his skills it's his temperament. A problem with many young Indian players.Pandya at his peak how? If at all, Pandya has lot more room to grow with batting after the WC with all the youngsters in. He will be the designated experienced finisher. As far as bowling goes, don't underestimate this Indian coaching unit which turned relative duds to potent force in a span of 2 years. Look at the variations he already has and he's as fit as any. He is capable of clocking 140 and can seam the ball.
Imad's bowling is effective in T20s. His batting can surely be improved but in Pak setup the ceiling in batting is limited.
Not only Holder. These two have done nothing to be termed as better than anyone else. Even Thisara Perera can claim to be better than these two.
I think that's the point both are absolutely mediocre to the core however to get one up against the other set of fans people are trying to prove who is better amongst both these average players..
Generally these kind of threads get bumped after a poor performance or great performance by one of the players in this case both players have given so many poor performances that this thread has gone into 23 pages already..
It's really funny if you think about it..
It's not his skills it's his temperament. A problem with many young Indian players.
Both relatively young and, good prospects.
Whoa.... first time on this page as the question didn't interest me as both are not that great, but its got to 23 pages!??
What the ....?!?!
Generally these kind of threads get bumped after a poor performance or great performance by one of the players in this case both players have given so many poor performances that this thread has gone into 23 pages already..
It's really funny if you think about it..
I was going to write the same thing but you did. You have nailed it perfectly. The real reason this thread was started to feel good about themselves after comparing two mediocre cricketers.
Faheem looks a complete different batsmen when he bat's in the PSL, I hope he just somehow transfer his confidence in international matches.
Faheem looks a complete different batsmen when he bat's in the PSL, I hope he just somehow transfer his confidence in international matches.
Haven't been following live Pakistani cricket much take note of Faheem but if he is similar, then he is a player i must watch because Hardik Pandya is a player must watching when he is on full flow.
In pure hitting ability he is right up there with Klusener, Yuvraj, Russel.
Haven't been following live Pakistani cricket much take note of Faheem but if he is similar, then he is a player i must watch because Hardik Pandya is a player must watching when he is on full flow.
In pure hitting ability he is right up there with Klusener, Yuvraj, Russel.
He looks like a match stick. Yesterday he hit a 91 meter six followed by a 104 meter six.
Pakistani fans are going through different stages of denial. Few months back, they were adamant that Faheem is better than Pandya. However, they have swallowed the bitter player and now admit something that everyone knew from the word go - Pandya is far better than Faheem.
The next step would be to actually admit that Pandya is a very, very good cricketer. I believe they will overcome this final stage of denial in a year or so.
Damn. With Faheem's recent performances, some posts on this thread (including some of my own) are just embarrasing now. What a flop he has been internationally the last few months, I had high hopes from him but he seems like a liability tbh.
Are you sure?Pandya - 2nd best all rounder of this generation after Stokes. Thats all everyone needs to know.
Are you sure?
Hardik Pandya - ICC Allrounders Ranking - 24th March 2019
Test Ranking - 27
ODI Ranking - 18
T20 Ranking - 33
2nd best my foot.![]()
He will get higher ranking pretty soon and its just a matter of time. ICC rankings consider performance of last 2 years and not just present. There is a reason why M.Hafeez is still 3rd best all rounder
Impact wise, Pandya is only second to Stoksey.
Better than Shakib lol?
Shakib??
He is not even top 5 all rounders (impact wise) in my book. Also someone who hides from tough over seas tours.
Stokes
Pandya
Holder
M.Ali
Rashid Khan
Top 5 all rounders at present.
Holder is galaxies ahead of Pandya.
Holder is galaxies ahead of Pandya.
Why is Holder not playing in IPL(the biggest T20 tournament) then? The fact is Holder is pretty good in test cricket but lack impact in shorter version. Similarly, likes of Andre Russel are beast in T20s but wont last long in test matches. Stokey and legend Pandya are the only 2 all rounders who are all format genuine all rounders.
Hardik will find it hard to play IPL if he was overseas player.