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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

Mobashir said:
Why hasn't Pandya bowled yet in the match?:inti
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Because he is too good to get into their side obviously. He would however walk into all other sides, of course, especially Pakistan. He would be Pakistan's best batsman, bowler, WK and fielder all at the same time, and the first name on the team sheet. :afridi
 
Well this thread is active again.. nice to see. This thread is potential to broke records of sachin vs lara thread .
 
Square Drive said:
Because he is too good to get into their side obviously. He would however walk into all other sides, of course, especially Pakistan. He would be Pakistan's best batsman, bowler, WK and fielder all at the same time, and the first name on the team sheet. :afridi
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Even Pant won't make it into Indian team if he stops wicketkeeping. If they both play as a specialist batsman they will have to compete with other specialist batsmen in India which will be quite tough for them because these two are not known for their consistency. :inti
 
Funnily enough, Faheem has the better batting average while Pandya has the better bowling average at this point of time.
 
In odis and t20s its not a comparison, in tests it's quite close as of now but Pandya won us a match in england.
 
Frankly speaking there is no comparison now because Pandya is focussing more on his batting whereas Faheem is an allrounder now. He could have played in place of Nadeem in this test but captain Kohli doesn't have much confidence in Pandya's batting in tests. So why is he even in the team? Team management will obviously prefer spin bowling allrounders in India. They should have let him spend more time with his family instead. :inti
 
This comparison is an insult to Pandya in LOI cricket as of now.

In tests though... Lets wait and watch.
 
In LOIs Hardik is well ahead

In tests
Batting
Hardik: 31.3
Faheem: 42.3

Bowling
Hardik: 31.1 @ 3.38
Faheem: 33.6 @ 3.03
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Frankly speaking there is no comparison now because Pandya is focussing more on his batting whereas Faheem is an allrounder now. He could have played in place of Nadeem in this test but captain Kohli doesn't have much confidence in Pandya's batting in tests. So why is he even in the team? Team management will obviously prefer spin bowling allrounders in India. They should have let him spend more time with his family instead. :inti
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Pink ball test.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
In odis and t20s its not a comparison, in tests it's quite close as of now but Pandya won us a match in england.
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In tests Faheem is way ahead in terms of numbers tbh. Plus Pandiya seems to be becoming mostly an LOI specialist batsman more in the mold of Pollard.
 
Faheem is building up some consistent performances in Test. His batting is completely different. His bowling is economical but needs to chip in with wickets and could increase his pace.
 
^^

Add to the previous comment hopefully he adds different gears in ODI & T20 cricket and becomes a consistent performer. Maybe he could become the allrounder many in the NPC believed he could be.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I don't think Pandya will have a long test career as an allrounder. He looks like someone who would prefer shorter formats and IPL over tests. :inti
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He does not get to play Tests because the All rounder spot is taken by Jadeja and Jaddu has become indispensable with his consistent performances in the past 1+ years.
 
guna said:
He does not get to play Tests because the All rounder spot is taken by Jadeja and Jaddu has become indispensable with his consistent performances in the past 1+ years.
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And when Jadu isn't playing India went for a 3rd spinner as an all rounder , witch was completely useless rather than going to Pandya.
At this rate you don't know when he is going to play a test again.
 
Mobashir said:
And when Jadu isn't playing India went for a 3rd spinner as an all rounder , witch was completely useless rather than going to Pandya.
At this rate you don't know when he is going to play a test again.
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I might be wrong but i think that he is in the team just bcoz of that pink ball test and also the fact that after this series we have overseas tasks and we'll need Pandya there.
 
Pakhs said:
In tests Faheem is way ahead in terms of numbers tbh. Plus Pandiya seems to be becoming mostly an LOI specialist batsman more in the mold of Pollard.
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Faheem is not ahead in tests, both are at same level, Faheem plays for a weaker team so obviously he will get more chances.
Pandya is working on changing his bowling action and i think you will see him bowl in this series.
BCCI has been patient with him, they know his importance and that's why he was played as a specialist and not asked to bowl.
 
TeymurBlake said:
Faheem is building up some consistent performances in Test. His batting is completely different. His bowling is economical but needs to chip in with wickets and could increase his pace.
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" "I have spoken to Hassan Ali and my other teammates and I don't feel that I need to add more pace but my objective is to maintain my pace at the135-137kph mark and do well using that speed"" Faheem ashraf quote

And I think he is right 140+ for a test all rounder is asking for trouble in terms of workload and injuries
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Faheem is not ahead in tests, both are at same level, Faheem plays for a weaker team so obviously he will get more chances.
Pandya is working on changing his bowling action and i think you will see him bowl in this series.
BCCI has been patient with him, they know his importance and that's why he was played as a specialist and not asked to bowl.
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I think Pandiya knows his body more than others and his value as a specialist batsman down the order in LOI cricket plus IPL. I dont think he will be an all rounder going forward.

The argument that he plays for a better team goes in his favor at least in test match cricket as better bowlers are able to take the wickets so that he can claim few cheap wickets and the batters has exhausted the bowlers for him to come and smash it. In dead Faheem has to often play fresher bowlers with the bowl newer. The current batting average has a big difference which cant be ignored.
 
guna said:
He does not get to play Tests because the All rounder spot is taken by Jadeja and Jaddu has become indispensable with his consistent performances in the past 1+ years.
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You may be right but he himself doesn't look interested in tests. This is what he said after T20 series against Australia. :inti

“I think I should head back home and spend some quality time with my family. I haven’t seen my child for four months, so I’d like to spend some time with family right now,” Pandya said after the third and final T20 International against Australia.

“Maybe in the future. I don’t know, maybe,” he added when asked about his Test comeback.

Earlier, asked if he aspired to stay back for the Test series starting December 17, Pandya had said, “It’s a different ball game, I think I need to be, I mean I don’t mind but at the end of the day, the call is on the management.”

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...icket-ground-cricket-news/article33281724.ece
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
You may be right but he himself doesn't look interested in tests. This is what he said after T20 series against Australia. :inti

“I think I should head back home and spend some quality time with my family. I haven’t seen my child for four months, so I’d like to spend some time with family right now,” Pandya said after the third and final T20 International against Australia.

“Maybe in the future. I don’t know, maybe,” he added when asked about his Test comeback.

Earlier, asked if he aspired to stay back for the Test series starting December 17, Pandya had said, “It’s a different ball game, I think I need to be, I mean I don’t mind but at the end of the day, the call is on the management.”

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...icket-ground-cricket-news/article33281724.ece
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The problem is more with the selectors who picked him in the test squad after he clearly behaved like some chota rockstar :sk
 
TeymurBlake said:
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Add to the previous comment hopefully he adds different gears in ODI & T20 cricket and becomes a consistent performer. Maybe he could become the allrounder many in the NPC believed he could be.
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Really surprised at Faheem’s batting consistencies off late to be honest.

Now is the time Faheem needs to take a call. Is he happy to be somebody who scores a 60 and two wickets? Or is he ambitious enough to have bigger dreams like score a 100 or take 5 wickets.

For the latter he will really really need to push himself harder. And that may mean turning his life upside down. He also needs to revisit his bowling action. The current action wont allow him to add that much needed 3-4 km to his pace.
 
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Bigboii said:
" "I have spoken to Hassan Ali and my other teammates and I don't feel that I need to add more pace but my objective is to maintain my pace at the135-137kph mark and do well using that speed"" Faheem ashraf quote

And I think he is right 140+ for a test all rounder is asking for trouble in terms of workload and injuries
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I'm not saying he needs to click the 140 mark but he needs more pace to trouble batsman outside the subcontinent
 
gazza619 said:
Really surprised at Faheem’s batting consistencies off late to be honest.

Now is the time Faheem needs to take a call. Is he happy to be somebody who scores a 60 and two wickets? Or is he ambitious enough to have bigger dreams like score a 100 or take 5 wickets.

For the latter he will really really need to push himself harder. And that may mean turning his life upside down. He also needs to revisit his bowling action. The current action wont allow him to add that much needed 3-4 km to his pace.
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He's at a good age and he doesn't really have any competition in front of him. He made technical improvements in his batting Mohammad Yousuf, which has reaped him leaps and bounds worth changes. If he wants to get better, now's the time to do it.
 
From 10 lakh to 11 crore per year: Pandya leapfrogs Tendulkar, nears 50 crore salary mark in IPL

Available at his base price of Rs 10 lakh, Hardik Pandya found no buyers the first time he entered the auction in 2014. The next time he entered the auction, Mumbai Indians (MI) was the only franchise to bid for him and picked the all-rounder at his base price of Rs 10 lakh.

By the next auction, Hardik was already a capped player and his brother, Krunal Pandya, made big gains at the event as MI bought him for Rs 2 crore.

Courtesy of Pandya's power hitting in just 9 matches that he played in 2015, he drew selectors' attention and made his debut in Australia in January 2016.

He is now a regular member of Team India and his IPL salary has gone up to Rs 11 crore per year. Pandya, MI's second-choice retained player in IPL 2018 auction, has now leapfrogged none other than Sachin Tendulkar on the list of highest earners in the T20 league. With a salary of Rs 44.3 crore, he now sits at the 33rd spot.

Tendulkar, who had joined MI as an icon player in 2008, had finished his career after earning a salary of Rs 38.29 crore. Pandya was close to Tendulkar's tally last season and leapfrogged the Master Blaster after MI retained him for IPL 2021.

Since Pandya had joined MI for Rs 10 lakh, he earned the same amount in 2016 and 2017 as well. His income sky-rocketed to Rs 11 crore when there was a mega-auction in 2018.

Not just Hardik, his brother Krunal has also surpassed Tendulkar on the list. The Baroda all-rounder had first joined MI for Rs 2 crore, in 2016, and earned the same amount in 2017 as well.

In 2018, Krunal shattered past records when MI raised their Right to Match (RTM) card after Royal Challengers Bangalore bought him for Rs 8.8 crore. Krunal was uncapped back then. The amount still remains to be the highest cheque drawn by an uncapped player. In total, Krunal has drawn Rs 39.2 Crore, which sees him sit ahead of the Master Blaster.

Talking of Tendulkar, he earned a salary of Rs 4.48 crore per year from 2008 to 2010. In 2011, the BCCI increased the first-choice retained player amount to 8.28 crore and Tendulkar earned this amount till 2013. He retired from IPL in 2013 and played his last game for MI in the Champions League later that year.
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Link: https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...lkar-nears-50-crore-salary-mark-in-ipl/719086
 
^^^ That is an insane amount of money for an average player like Pandya. Does he bowl in IPL? How much does Jadeja or Pujara get in IPL? :inti
 
Faheem is yet to prove himself in LOIs so no comparison there yet but in tests Faheem seems better so far. Better with the bat and ball.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Does he bowl for them? :inti
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You are confusing Mumbai Indians with Indian national team. His bowling is required while playing for India but for Mumbai he plays as a batsman. His role is similar to Keiron Pollard, a lower order finisher who can bowl few overs if required. Considering he is Indian and does not take space of an overseas players, his value increases 10 times.

Bumrah - Pattison - Boult - R.Chahar -K.Pandya are 5 main bowlers for Mumbai.
 
Pakhs said:
His bowling is nothing special anyway even when he did bowl he almost always had the highest economy rate. Its his end over hitting that very valuable in T20 cricket specially in India where grounds are small.
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Are grounds small in Aus too?
 
Pakhs said:
His bowling is nothing special anyway even when he did bowl he almost always had the highest economy rate. Its his end over hitting that very valuable in T20 cricket specially in India where grounds are small.
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Some Indian grounds are small. India has some of the biggest grounds in world cricket.
 
People need to realise that Faheem is not a power hitter like Pandya.
He is a strokemaker with a good bat-swing who is suited to batting in the middle order.
Therefore, it is almost unfair to compare him with Pandya who is one of the best hitters in the world.
 
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Hardik’s hitting ability is just amazing and is a very handy player!
I used to not rate Faheem at all, but since MoYo did some wonders with him, i have slowly started to like him. Lets see if this is just a purple patch.
 
Faheem getting some much needed boundaries at the end of this innings, 15 from 6 already
 
Faheem seems to have improved his bowling and speed. Pandya too has started bowling again. Will be interesting to see how they perform. :inti
 
Faheem is turning out to be a good prospect. His numbers are still ridiculously poor. 13 with bat 39 with ball despite playing against some weak teams but he has the potential to improve those. Needs backing.
 
Both men in the last year or so have developed really well. Hardik has developed into a reliable hitter with the potential to be a solid No.5 batsman for India. Whereas Faheem has developed massively becoming a reliable batsman in Test cricket. He definitely is showcasing potential to be a No.5 for Pakistan in particular Test and maybe all other formats.
 
In terms of bowling, both are basically 5th bowling options, though I rate Faheem just a bit higher because he can bowl his full quota of overs as opposed to Hardik.

In terms of batting, Hardik is miles ahead in white-ball cricket. He has power, and also intelligence with how to score runs in the death.

Faheem has had more opportunities to bat in test cricket, and to his credit, he has made the most of them.
 
UzmanBeast said:
In terms of bowling, both are basically 5th bowling options, though I rate Faheem just a bit higher because he can bowl his full quota of overs as opposed to Hardik.

In terms of batting, Hardik is miles ahead in white-ball cricket. He has power, and also intelligence with how to score runs in the death.

Faheem has had more opportunities to bat in test cricket, and to his credit, he has made the most of them.
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Pandya finally has some much needed role clarity in all the formats.

He is going to be a 6th bowling option in LOIs. A middle order bat who will chip in with the ball if and when needed. So the role definition is very different from Faheem.

Unlike LOIs, his test appearances are contingent on being able to bowl 10-12 overs a day. He is very much going to be a bowling AR in tests. Also, Pandya is only going to play in conditions heavily loaded in favor of seamers, or where two spinners become surplus to requirements. This is good for him because he'd play no more than 2-3 tests a year on average in places like ENG, SAF, AUS, and NZ.
 
Faheem Ashraf's stats in ODI's are shockingly poor, especially with the bat. He may like to have more time to bat rather than come in and hit.

His bowling average isn't great but these days, in ODI's, Economy rate is also very important and he is doing fine in this regard.
 
AMSS said:
Pandya finally has some much needed role clarity in all the formats.

He is going to be a 6th bowling option in LOIs. A middle order bat who will chip in with the ball if and when needed. So the role definition is very different from Faheem.

Unlike LOIs, his test appearances are contingent on being able to bowl 10-12 overs a day. He is very much going to be a bowling AR in tests. Also, Pandya is only going to play in conditions heavily loaded in favor of seamers, or where two spinners become surplus to requirements. This is good for him because he'd play no more than 2-3 tests a year on average in places like ENG, SAF, AUS, and NZ.
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He played in the all the 3/4 Tests on SA / England tours and would have played in NZ / Aus tours as well if he would have been fit enough to bowl.

So, he will probably play much more than 2-3 tests in a year.
 
AMSS said:
Pandya finally has some much needed role clarity in all the formats.

He is going to be a 6th bowling option in LOIs. A middle order bat who will chip in with the ball if and when needed. So the role definition is very different from Faheem.

Unlike LOIs, his test appearances are contingent on being able to bowl 10-12 overs a day. He is very much going to be a bowling AR in tests. Also, Pandya is only going to play in conditions heavily loaded in favor of seamers, or where two spinners become surplus to requirements. This is good for him because he'd play no more than 2-3 tests a year on average in places like ENG, SAF, AUS, and NZ.
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Agreed.

Hardik Pandya's role has become clear in recent times, and that's good for him as a player. He knows where to focus his attention.

Faheem at the moment is going to be used as a bowling all-rounder in white-ball, and a batting all-rounder in red-ball cricket.
 
"When I am in the ground, I believe nothing's impossible. I don't feel fear". Hardik Pandya

"When I walk in, I always feel I have an aura" Hardik Pandya

I mean is this guy for real? Even yesterday with his antics, it reeally feels like the guy thinks he is a great player.
Never seen someone so poor overrating his own self so much. What aura are you talking about?
What I feel, is that Shaheen and Rauf could have ball all day to you and you still can't hit them.
 
I maintain the same thing, I don't know who is better (actually worst) between these two but we are lucky to have Faheem.
At least we can drop him. Pandya is so over-rated that India doesn't drop him.
 
Mobashir said:
"When I am in the ground, I believe nothing's impossible. I don't feel fear". Hardik Pandya

"When I walk in, I always feel I have an aura" Hardik Pandya

I mean is this guy for real? Even yesterday with his antics, it reeally feels like the guy thinks he is a great player.
Never seen someone so poor overrating his own self so much. What aura are you talking about?
What I feel, is that Shaheen and Rauf could have ball all day to you and you still can't hit them.
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Not even Brian Charles Lara or Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar can say that aura line lol. He is full of himself. :inti
 
I don't particularly like Hardik Pandya the person (I lean more towards disliking him) but to be fair to him, the back injury has really hindered both his bowling and his big hitting. Once you've injured your lower back, it becomes quite difficult to twist and turn. This is something we've seen with Hasan Ali too, but it was milder in Hasan's case.

I think it's unfair to say that Hardik was all just hype and no substance. Yes, he was overhyped a tad bit, but he did seem to have heaps of potential. He can still turn it around if his lower back allows him to.
 
Pandya is a phenomenal cricketer. This thread is a joke. Faheem is not good enough to tie his shoelaces.

But I don’t see the point of playing an unfit player. Pandya is not fit at all and this is why he is not bowling and it is impacting his batting as well.

We all know what he is capable of when he’s fit - we don’t need to look beyond the T20I series in Australia earlier this year.

India needs to play Ishan Kishan at his position until Pandya regains his fitness.
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya is a phenomenal cricketer. This thread is a joke. Faheem is not good enough to tie his shoelaces.

But I don’t see the point of playing an unfit player. Pandya is not fit at all and this is why he is not bowling and it is impacting his batting as well.

We all know what he is capable of when he’s fit - we don’t need to look beyond the T20I series in Australia earlier this year.

India needs to play Ishan Kishan at his position until Pandya regains his fitness.
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Pandya is a nothing player. He will be fully fit for Namibia and Scotland.
His bowling is as bad it can get.
 
Mobashir said:
"When I am in the ground, I believe nothing's impossible. I don't feel fear". Hardik Pandya

"When I walk in, I always feel I have an aura" Hardik Pandya

I mean is this guy for real? Even yesterday with his antics, it reeally feels like the guy thinks he is a great player.
Never seen someone so poor overrating his own self so much. What aura are you talking about?
What I feel, is that Shaheen and Rauf could have ball all day to you and you still can't hit them.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
Hilarious that you mock Hassan Ali’s and Naseem Shah’s comments but look past this which are far more stupid and ridiculous.
 
They both are rubbish. Bits and pieces players. Can't believe we have 22 pages debating these nothing cricketers who even Windies have a abundance of which a much better then these two.
 
Kashmirilion said:
They both are rubbish. Bits and pieces players. Can't believe we have 22 pages debating these nothing cricketers who even Windies have a abundance of which a much better then these two.
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Fahim has done well in tests recently.
 
Rana been in top form and pandya hasn't delivered at all latest...Rana better on current form
 
Mobashir said:
I maintain the same thing, I don't know who is better (actually worst) between these two but we are lucky to have Faheem.
At least we can drop him. Pandya is so over-rated that India doesn't drop him.
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Another gem.
 
Best LOI all rounder in the world on current form.

His stats are pretty good too, especially vs top teams. He did well in Australia 2020 and now England 2022. Contrary to this, Jadeja is an inferior batsman and overseas, an inferior bowler as well.
 
It's hilarious how many times Mamoon actually is proven right on here and the morons don't bother replying to him after that.
 
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