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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

Mamoon said:
Pandya is player of extraordinary potential. He needs to be given more responsibility with the bat. Give him the number five slot and watch him fly.

Don't judge him by his bowling, he is not a bowler.

Faheem Ashraf? He is not a cricketer.
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I don't get this, I can understand the argument Faheem is not as good as the great Pandya, but not a cricketer at all, any data to back that statement??

Pakistan has been starving for Seaming Allrounder since Razaq/Azhar's time. Faheem is first legitimate one came in more than a decade...
 
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troodon said:
A 5'er against Zimb D team and Faheem is better than Pandya.

Let Faheem do something against big cricketing nations and then we will see how good he is.
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Faheem will do much better than what Pandya achieved on South African and English tours so far. It doesn't take much to average better than 156 with the ball :))

Cue [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] coming in and telling us Pandya doesn't need to bowl to be an all-rounder. Probably the most brain-dead analysis in the history of this forum. Something even you as an Indian fan would never agree with
 
yasir said:
I don't get this, I can understand the argument Faheem is not as good as the great Pandya, but not a cricketer at all, any data to back that statement??

Pakistan has been starving for Seaming Allrounder since Razaq/Azhar's time. Faheem is first legitimate one came in more than a decade...
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Interesting fact: The last time a Pakistani pace-bowling all-rounder took a 5fer in ANY format was Abdul Razzaq... All the way back in 2004 in a Test match vs SL.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Faheem will do much better than what Pandya achieved on South African and English tours so far. It doesn't take much to average better than 156 with the ball :))

Cue [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] coming in and telling us Pandya doesn't need to bowl to be an all-rounder. Probably the most brain-dead analysis in the history of this forum. Something even you as an Indian fan would never agree with
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What is this pseudo-logic?? :))

You couldn't make it up.
 
I’m not sure how one fluke innings can prove your mettle. Apart from that 90 odd Pandya did nothing in SA.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Faheem will do much better than what Pandya achieved on South African and English tours so far. It doesn't take much to average better than 156 with the ball :))

Cue [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] coming in and telling us Pandya doesn't need to bowl to be an all-rounder. Probably the most brain-dead analysis in the history of this forum. Something even you as an Indian fan would never agree with
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Let him perform first. Words like Will do, Can do means nothing.

Hardik has a century in Test cricket and a very good knock against SA in testing conditions. He also got the wicket of ABD on 2 occasions in Test Cricket.

I rate Pandya more than Faheem. Both are young and Faheem needs to play more and perform to compare the stats.
 
babajee said:
I’m not sure how one fluke innings can prove your mettle. Apart from that 90 odd Pandya did nothing in SA.
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Add to that, some sixes against Shadab, Fakhar and Zampa and this is basically all that Pandya has done in his career.
 
Usman Chadda said:
This is a gem to be remembered. Apparently, an all-rounder that is not a bowler is still an all-rounder. Or maybe 99% here don't know their cricket
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He is primarily a batsman, and that is where his potential is great. His bowling is just a bonus.

Faheem is average in both departments. Unlike Pandya, his ceiling is not high in any department.
 
troodon said:
Let him perform first. Words like Will do, Can do means nothing.

Hardik has a century in Test cricket and a very good knock against SA in testing conditions. He also got the wicket of ABD on 2 occasions in Test Cricket.

I rate Pandya more than Faheem. Both are young and Faheem needs to play more and perform to compare the stats.
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Faheem did perform some what decently in our recent tour of England. The reason we won two test is thanks to our two allrounders (Faheem and Shadab), we would have lost both of those test, if we did not had them...They had 80+ partnerships in both of those tests in first innings, early summer in English conditions those were vital to win the test. He also took curicial wickets and did bowl tight line and length, with control that means he could be trusted for 15/20 overs a day, made possible for Pakistan to attack all the time and not let pressure to be released. Both Faheem and Shadab did that which is very good thing for us... All in all, a very encouraging start on his first away tour.

As I said earlier after a very long time, he looks like the seaming allrounder we can have in every format who is legitimate, not forced into the side...His batting has not flourish yet, partly because we are throwing him little too late all the time. But playing in test will allow him to develop as batsman, that will benefit him and team in other formats.
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya is player of extraordinary potential. He needs to be given more responsibility with the bat. Give him the number five slot and watch him fly.

Don't judge him by his bowling, he is not a bowler.

Faheem Ashraf? He is not a cricketer.
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So when Faheem fails (only with the bat) he's not even a cricketer

When Pandya averages in the low 20s with the bat and over 40 with the ball in the last year he's a cricketer of "extraordinary potential"

Man how sad is your life??:))
 
Mamoon said:
He is primarily a batsman, and that is where his potential is great. His bowling is just a bonus.

Faheem is average in both departments. Unlike Pandya, his ceiling is not high in any department.
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Let’s be honest, Pandya’s 60 of 30 or so in one match every fifth game can easily matched by Faheem. On top of that, Pandya is a mere cannon fodder with the ball whereas Faheem makes up for his lack of pace with his street smart bowling skills. Potential means nothing. It’s the performance that counts, I’m not bothered with Pandya smacking a few in a losing cause in the CT final.
 
Mamoon said:
He is primarily a batsman, and that is where his potential is great. His bowling is just a bonus.

Faheem is average in both departments. Unlike Pandya, his ceiling is not high in any department.
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80+ matches played in international cricket and still talk of Potential.
Hardik is easily replacable in the indian team with a batsman who bowls a few overs. Like Kedhar Jhadav.

Faheem had NZ commentators rating his batting and bowling. Taking Faheem out of Pakistan team dents the overall balance.
 
aloo paratha said:
So when Faheem fails (only with the bat) he's not even a cricketer

When Pandya averages in the low 20s with the bat and over 40 with the ball in the last year he's a cricketer of "extraordinary potential"

Man how sad is your life??:))
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He kept on insisting that Pandya was the 2nd best all rounder after Stokes and now all of a sudden his bowling became a bonus. Even if one admits this silly logic, he still has to be a proper batsman first which is not true. The likes of Kallis, Jayasuriya, Yuvraj, Symonds, etc were proper batsmen with their bowling as a bonus. Pandya with his below par batting and pathetic bowling is just bits and pieces cricketer.
 
C'mon guys I don't think we need to argue on any irrelevant topic :p
For me both players needs more improvement. As I can see both players as great all rounder aspects.
The best thing is that both players don't have an ability to seek attention but here in PP there are " few" posters who just want to get attention by their unique thoughts :p
 
Very soon this thread will turn into Sr. Pandya vs Shadab thread.... moment krunal pandya is drafted in indian team for Asia cup.
His skill set is pretty similar to Ravindra Jadeja, i.e few overs of tight left-arm spin but probably better batsmen than current day Raina.
Krunal has had three consistent seasons of the IPL and is worth being tried as a finisher alongside his brother, at No.6 or 7. He also satisfies the team management's criteria of being a left-handed middle-order batsman, and could also end up being a better bowling option than Raina. A series or two in the coming months might give India a chance to figure out if he's an option worth exploring.
 
I feel as though, initially into his career, Fahim was going through a purple patch in terms of batting. For some time now, he hasn't looked a convincing batsman at all. His sole decent innings vs England in Tests was a very lucky one where he was given numerous chances and aided by tired bowlers. It goes without saying however, that innings was a match-saving effort.

All that being said, I still do believe that Fahim has a lot of potential with the bat and needs to work on his batting. The management also needs to aid these efforts by pushing him up the order and giving him confidence by doing so. Has the ability in him to become a consistent match-winner for Pakistan.
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya is player of extraordinary potential. He needs to be given more responsibility with the bat. Give him the number five slot and watch him fly.

Don't judge him by his bowling, he is not a bowler.

Faheem Ashraf? He is not a cricketer.
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Faheem isn't a cricketer? Wow. He's doing a decent job with the ball. He can be a good batsmen if he gets a regular chance.

Hardik will be a good player but don't understand why you are downplaying Faheems potential.
 
Faheem is a great bowler. He constantly bowls around 140 KPH which is great for a 3rd seamer.

His batting is there & he has potential but he hasn’t been given opportunities. Hopefully he comes in at 4 next game.
 
Abdullah719 said:
In his last 15 ODIs, Pandya averages 14 with the bat and 56 with the ball. :danish
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The Pandya that I have seen is deadly with the bat and a decent 5th bowler. But something has changed, he doesn’t seem to be sprinting when he is bowling (may be fitness issue or he is just not interested in international cricket?) When he comes to bat, it is usually selfish Dhoni on the other end and poor Pandya has to take all the risks.
 
gazza619 said:
The Pandya that I have seen is deadly with the bat and a decent 5th bowler. But something has changed, he doesn’t seem to be sprinting when he is bowling (may be fitness issue or he is just not interested in international cricket?) When he comes to bat, it is usually selfish Dhoni on the other end and poor Pandya has to take all the risks.
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India play top flight opposition most of the time, but these returns are rather poor. I desperately want Faheem Ashraf to be Pakistan's next great allrounder, but he hasnt done much with the bat in odi's. IT just not possible to compare the two.
 
I said that earlier when he took a 4fer in a T20 match that ODI and Tests against Eng will show how good Pandya is and it turns out he is not the prodigy many make him out to be.

You just need eyes to see that 4fer was Eng batsmen going after him as weak link. It wasnt that he was bowling outstanding deliveries.
 
Interesting fact: Sohail Khan played a really good innings against NZ of 65 runs in NZ but nobody saw great all rounder potential in him after that one innings.
 
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Titan24 said:
Interesting fact: Sohail Khan played a really good innings against NZ of 65 runs in NZ but nobody saw great all rounder potential in him after that one innings.
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Isolated knocks mean nothing. Pandya has a 70 in 40 balls against Pakistan in the Champions Trophy final, a Test hundred on debut and brilliant knocks against Australia in ODIs.

He also played a great counter-attacking innings against south Africa in South Africa, against the best attack in the world on a difficult batting pitch.

If Sohail or anyone else produces such performances in a short period of time like Pandya, they will also get hyped.

His batting potential is fantastic.
 
Mamoon said:
Isolated knocks mean nothing. Pandya has a 70 in 40 balls against Pakistan in the Champions Trophy final, a Test hundred on debut and brilliant knocks against Australia in ODIs.

He also played a great counter-attacking innings against south Africa in South Africa, against the best attack in the world on a difficult batting pitch.

If Sohail or anyone else produces such performances in a short period of time like Pandya, they will also get hyped.

His batting potential is fantastic.
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Absolutely. Averaged in single figures in South Africa and early 20s in England. Very good batsman indeed

Funny thing is you won't have Pandya's bowling to defend him on these two tours either :))
 
*sigh

Imagine this thread during the Asia Cup. Avengers Civil War PakPassion Edition: Hardik Pandya (Iron Man/Captain America) vs Faheem Ashraf (Iron Man/Captain America). Who's the better allrounder? Find out this September :broad:yk2

Jokes aside I can't wait for this thread to go off even further. Obviously, I'm team Faheem :faheem
 
Mamoon said:
Isolated knocks mean nothing. Pandya has a 70 in 40 balls against Pakistan in the Champions Trophy final, a Test hundred on debut and brilliant knocks against Australia in ODIs.

He also played a great counter-attacking innings against south Africa in South Africa, against the best attack in the world on a difficult batting pitch.

If Sohail or anyone else produces such performances in a short period of time like Pandya, they will also get hyped.

His batting potential is fantastic.
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A few performances from 80 odd matches can also be deemed as isolated.
 
TeamPak95 said:
*sigh

Imagine this thread during the Asia Cup. Avengers Civil War PakPassion Edition: Hardik Pandya (Iron Man/Captain America) vs Faheem Ashraf (Iron Man/Captain America). Who's the better allrounder? Find out this September :broad:yk2

Jokes aside I can't wait for this thread to go off even further. Obviously, I'm team Faheem :faheem
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#TeamFaheem it is then :sarf

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ahmedwaqas92 said:
#TeamFaheem it is then :sarf

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Count me in.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
#TeamFaheem it is then :sarf

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Pandya dreams to be as good as Faheem with the ball. And Faheem's true batting potential coupled with his specific batting role in the team will make him more valuable to Team Pakistan than Pandya is to Team India.

Team Faheem all the way.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
#TeamFaheem it is then :sarf

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Of course, I'm gonna be on the team that takes 5fers and hat-tricks, and scores 80-odd on debut in alien conditions; not some gali mohalla Indian who averages 40 with the ball. :))

Team Faheem all the way! :faheem
 
Mamoon said:
Isolated knocks mean nothing. Pandya has a 70 in 40 balls against Pakistan in the Champions Trophy final, a Test hundred on debut and brilliant knocks against Australia in ODIs.

He also played a great counter-attacking innings against south Africa in South Africa, against the best attack in the world on a difficult batting pitch.

If Sohail or anyone else produces such performances in a short period of time like Pandya, they will also get hyped.

His batting potential is fantastic.
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So, Hardik Pandya half century in equal to century for this guy? :))) But poor Faheem Ashraf [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=758] [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION]@Usman Chadda
 
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ahmedwaqas92 said:
#TeamFaheem it is then :sarf

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Obviously :uakmal
 
As I always said, Pandya is a nothing cricketer, as he can't bowl at all. He is in the team only because other bowler do nearly as bad as him.

Faheem Ashraf is yet to be tested as a batsman but at least he is a good 4th seamer.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
#TeamFaheem it is then :sarf

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Ho jaaye :faheem
 
Hermoine Green said:
So, Hardik Pandya half century in equal to century for this guy? :))) But poor Faheem Ashraf [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=758] [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION]@Usman Chadda
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I am referring to his Test hundred in Sri Lanka. I don’t remember if it was his first, second or third Test, but I do remember that it was his debut Test series.
 
DeadBall said:
A few performances from 80 odd matches can also be deemed as isolated.
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Not when the player is only 24. He is still very raw and his best years are yet to come. He was fast-tracked into the Indian team at a very young age because of his talent, and some of the knocks that he played in the latter half of 2017 highlights his huge potential.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Absolutely. Averaged in single figures in South Africa and early 20s in England. Very good batsman indeed

Funny thing is you won't have Pandya's bowling to defend him on these two tours either :))
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Maiden tours of South Africa, England etc. are always very tough for subcontinent batsmen.

In fact, the South African Test series was one of the most challenging series ever for an Asian batting team. The pitches were very poor for batting, and South Africa had a fantastic attack. It is not surprising that it is the only series where every single wicket fell.

Pandya still played a superb innings which shows his potential, but having low averages in such countries early in the career of an Asian batsman means nothing.

Kohli averaged 14 in England in 2014, Azhar was awful in South Africa in 2013, Babar was rubbish in Australia, and a the so-called legendary Inzamam was never good enough to score big in South Africa throughout his career.

He has one hundred in over hundred innings in South Africa and Australia scores formats. Embarrassing to say the least.

If Pandya were to average 50+ on his maiden tours of South Africa, England etc. on bowling wickets, he would be more than just an exciting young batsman; he would be an ATG in the making, which obviously he isn’t.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
#TeamFaheem it is then :sarf

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That's not fair bro, Team Pandya has just one warrior. It is a handicap contest.
 
Mamoon said:
Maiden tours of South Africa, England etc. are always very tough for subcontinent batsmen.

In fact, the South African Test series was one of the most challenging series ever for an Asian batting team. The pitches were very poor for batting, and South Africa had a fantastic attack. It is not surprising that it is the only series where every single wicket fell.

Pandya still played a superb innings which shows his potential, but having low averages in such countries early in the career of an Asian batsman means nothing.

Kohli averaged 14 in England in 2014, Azhar was awful in South Africa in 2013, Babar was rubbish in Australia, and a the so-called legendary Inzamam was never good enough to score big in South Africa throughout his career.

He has one hundred in over hundred innings in South Africa and Australia scores formats. Embarrassing to say the least.

If Pandya were to average 50+ on his maiden tours of South Africa, England etc. on bowling wickets, he would be more than just an exciting young batsman; he would be an ATG in the making, which obviously he isn’t.
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You know you are desperate when you mix test and ODIs. What does Kohli's test average of 14 in England have to do with Pandya's horrible performances in ODIs in SA and England? The whole logic of adjusting to the conditions, Asian batsmen struggling in overseas conditions, etc. do not apply to shorter formats.
 
Didn't even bowl a Single Over in the second innings.
As a bowler he has lost the captains faith already
Expect a happy go lucky inning from him soon so his fans can rest
 
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Definetly a better batsman than bowler. Has some class shots!

Needs to bat up the order I recon
 
I have no problem if someone says that Hardik has a strong batting potential but it becomes a problem when they start shoving him down other people's throat as the best all-rounder.
 
Don't think Pandya's worth his place in the test team. You could have dropped him to fit in Rohit Sharma. His test average isn't that bad it's just under 40, but his potential is far higher than that and has played long innings in England albeit in LOIs.

I'd bring in Rohit Middle Order, Drop Khartik down to 7, his batting really isn't good enough for 6 atm anyway.

Pandya would be better off just focusing LOI, given his place isn't secure there. Teams are desperate to fit in an allrounder, but it isn't needed most times. Just bowl your part timers if you want relief for the main bowlers. Pandya's not a serious wicket taking option in tests.

Pandya could well eventually perform, but seems not in his best interest or India's, when you have a guy like Rohit waiting on the sidelines. Pandya doesn't even have good first class stats, so what's the point, realistically there's a low chance it will actually pan out.
 
Conditions were bowlers friendly and Pandya was no show. Kohli has already lost faith in him, not a good sign for him. I doubt he will play all tests in this series, they are already thinking about dropping him. Faheem bowling is superior to Pandya. His batting is good, but not by a whole lot...

Indians hype up their batting lot more than they actually are, other than Kohli their batting is very disappointing, there is no special batsman in their rank :facepalm:
 
I’m not sure what people see in Hardik Pandya as an all-rounder. He is a decent batsman and thats where he should focus at. Just doesn’t inspire confidence with the ball and its clear the management is fast losing faith in him as a bowler aswell

Right now he looks more like a poor man’s Mohammad Hafeez than a Ben Stokes.
 
Pandya is good for LOs though. Very useful lower down with the hitting, an exceptional fielder and can hit 140 Kmph.

In tests, he is just there to bowl some overs of fast bowling but a very handy batsmen IMO.
 
England have found him out. His propensity to dangle the bat outside of off was only going to be targeted. His bowling was atrocious in the 1st innings too. I don't buy the whole Mr Cool persona either.

You might as well have had Pujara/Sharma take his place and do more for India than what he did.

Think having in this Test was a spot wasted, tbh.
 
ads101 said:
Don't think Pandya's worth his place in the test team. You could have dropped him to fit in Rohit Sharma. His test average isn't that bad it's just under 40, but his potential is far higher than that and has played long innings in England albeit in LOIs.

I'd bring in Rohit Middle Order, Drop Khartik down to 7, his batting really isn't good enough for 6 atm anyway.

Pandya would be better off just focusing LOI, given his place isn't secure there. Teams are desperate to fit in an allrounder, but it isn't needed most times. Just bowl your part timers if you want relief for the main bowlers. Pandya's not a serious wicket taking option in tests.

Pandya could well eventually perform, but seems not in his best interest or India's, when you have a guy like Rohit waiting on the sidelines. Pandya doesn't even have good first class stats, so what's the point, realistically there's a low chance it will actually pan out.
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Lol.Rohit Sharma cant even survive when the white ball swings on pattas for few overs, and you are pushing him to bat on these pitches where English batsmen themselves struggle.And its not only Pandya who struggled.Every other mainstream batsmen in both teams other than Kohli and Root was struggling.
But he needs to put more effort into his bowling though.He can learn from Ishant Sharma who was rubbish few years back and has a sub 30 average since 2016.
 
Pandya is arguably the most overrated bloke going around at the moment.

I would say most overrated cricketer, except he's not even a cricketer.
 
Square Drive said:
Pandya is arguably the most overrated bloke going around at the moment.

I would say most overrated cricketer, except he's not even a cricketer.
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Good enough to score a test century against SL and 90 against SA attack when everyone else failed.
 
Dingolfy said:
Good enough to score a test century against SL and 90 against SA attack when everyone else failed.
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A 90 is not a century. It goes into the record books as a fifty.

Faheem also scored a fifty in both England and Ireland in similar conditions.
 
Dingolfy said:
Good enough to score a test century against SL and 90 against SA attack when everyone else failed.
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ManFan said:
A 90 is not a century. It goes into the record books as a fifty.

Faheem also scored a fifty in both England and Ireland in similar conditions.
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If he's the great all-rounder you all make him seem, he can't ride on that 90 forever.
 
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See your answer below:



If he's the great all-rounder you all make him seem, he can't ride on that 90 forever.
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I never said he is great. He is good enough for the current standards for all rounders and much ahead of Faheem at the moment.
 
Pandya is THE most overrated and overhyped athlete on planet earth atm. He had the perfect chance to drag his team over the finish line yesterday but he let it slide.
 
Dingolfy said:
I never said he is great. He is good enough for the current standards for all rounders and much ahead of Faheem at the moment.
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He is NOT an all-rounder, stop abusing that term. Pandya is one of the worst Test bowlers in the world at the moment. His bowling is not good enough to ever have one decent performance, forget a good one.

Put it this way, Faheem is not as bad a batsman as Pandya is a bowler.
 
Usman Chadda said:
He is NOT an all-rounder, stop abusing that term. Pandya is one of the worst Test bowlers in the world at the moment. His bowling is not good enough to ever have one decent performance, forget a good one.

Put it this way, Faheem is not as bad a batsman as Pandya is a bowler.
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If we bring up Faheem’s record against Ireland and England, it trumps Hardik, with both BAT and BALL.

Against Ireland:
83 and 1-15 and 0-51.

Against England:
37 and 0-31 and 1-28.
0 and 3 and 3-60.

So that’s 30.3 with the bat and 37 with the ball.

Hardik against South Africa and England (so far):

Against SA:
93 and 1 and 1-51 and 2-27.
15 and 6 and 0-50 and 0-14.
0 and 4 and 0-15 and 0-4.

Against England:
22 and 31 and 0-46.

That’s 21.5 with the bat and 63 with the ball!

But he’s the next Sobers and better than Faheem while entangled in the “best batting culture in the world”. :))) :))) :)))
 
ManFan said:
If we bring up Faheem’s record against Ireland and England, it trumps Hardik, with both BAT and BALL.

Against Ireland:
83 and 1-15 and 0-51.

Against England:
37 and 0-31 and 1-28.
0 and 3 and 3-60.

So that’s 30.3 with the bat and 37 with the ball.

Hardik against South Africa and England (so far):

Against SA:
93 and 1 and 1-51 and 2-27.
15 and 6 and 0-50 and 0-14.
0 and 4 and 0-15 and 0-4.

Against England:
22 and 31 and 0-46.

That’s 21.5 with the bat and 63 with the ball!

But he’s the next Sobers and better than Faheem while entangled in the “best batting culture in the world”. :))) :))) :)))
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Faheem needs to bat a bit more to form a concrete opinion. His bowling in that 2nd innings in the end 2nd Test was pretty good and as good as a frontline seamer. Faheem blows Pandya away as a bowler in the limited opportunities he’s had at international level. As a batsman, Pandya is better IMO
 
Usman Chadda said:
Faheem needs to bat a bit more to form a concrete opinion. His bowling in that 2nd innings in the end 2nd Test was pretty good and as good as a frontline seamer. Faheem blows Pandya away as a bowler in the limited opportunities he’s had at international level. As a batsman, Pandya is better IMO
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I know and I actually think that down the line, Faheem will be a fine Test bower more than anything else because he can bowl a decent line-and-length ball six times out of six.

I just used those stats to show that in their performances overseas under similar conditions, Faheem has actually outdone Pandya in batting and bowling.
 
Square Drive said:
Pandya is arguably the most overrated bloke going around at the moment.

I would say most overrated cricketer, except he's not even a cricketer.
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Come on bhai, seriously. I'm a Pakistan fan too but that's not fair. He's played some great innings, that knock against SA was class. He's played more good innings than Ashraf has. To say he's not even a cricketer is not fair, unless you're doing it ironically due to what another certain poster said about Ashraf. Let's not forget Pandya has a great record against us, in the Asia Cup match he took the most wickets and in the CT final he gave us Pakistan fans a real scare.
 
What I like about Faheem is he is a hardworking guy, and a team player. He is not a naturally talented bowler but has progressed well in last year due to his hard work. I see potential in his batting and has good range of strokes but needs to tighten his defence and learn the art of building an innings. Batting up the order in first class or domestic season will help him here and knowing his work ethic he will work on these areas. Only up and above from here Faheem.
 
hadi123 said:
Come on bhai, seriously. I'm a Pakistan fan too but that's not fair. He's played some great innings, that knock against SA was class. He's played more good innings than Ashraf has. To say he's not even a cricketer is not fair, unless you're doing it ironically due to what another certain poster said about Ashraf. Let's not forget Pandya has a great record against us, in the Asia Cup match he took the most wickets and in the CT final he gave us Pakistan fans a real scare.
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That.

But he's still the most overrated player there is at the moment.
 
The difference between Pandya and Faheem is that Faheem focuses more on his actual hairstyle while Pandya focuses more on which shade of blue he is going to dye his hair in. One of them is authentic, the other one isn't:misbah
 
neither of them has done much of note.

Hardik has a lot more chances so far. He has proven he can be a lower order hitter, however still has a batting average of around 30. A batting average of 30 would be decent if he was able to average around 30 with the ball as well. However he averages 40+.

Faheem hasnt played much but he is already proving to be a useful bowler averaging just 20 in ODIs with a good economy rate. However his batting average is close to nothing.

Both look more LOI material than test material.

Pandya is a batting all rounder, while Faheem is a bowling all rounder.

Its funny because India is a batting team, and would probably prefer the services of Faheem over Pandya to strengthen their bowling. While Pakistan is a bowling team and needs a lower order hitter in case Asif Ali doesnt come good, so they could use the services of Pandya.
 
ManFan said:
If we bring up Faheem’s record against Ireland and England, it trumps Hardik, with both BAT and BALL.

Against Ireland:
83 and 1-15 and 0-51.

Against England:
37 and 0-31 and 1-28.
0 and 3 and 3-60.

So that’s 30.3 with the bat and 37 with the ball.

Hardik against South Africa and England (so far):

Against SA:
93 and 1 and 1-51 and 2-27.
15 and 6 and 0-50 and 0-14.
0 and 4 and 0-15 and 0-4.

Against England:
22 and 31 and 0-46.

That’s 21.5 with the bat and 63 with the ball!

But he’s the next Sobers and better than Faheem while entangled in the “best batting culture in the world”. :))) :))) :)))
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So basically faheem's batting avg was 13.3 against england .Ireland is a minnow and was playing its first match.
 
cricketindiafan said:
Sourav Ganguly's comments on Pandya

"Hardik is a good enough test player, persist with him. You do not get all rounders every day, have patience with him, he is still very young in his test career"

You did not lose 1st test because of Hardik. Problem lies elsewhere and that needs to be fixed.

I will drop Umesh for Kuldeep. But I will not drop Pandya. He looked better then most of our batsmen

I love Dhawan as an ODI cricketer, but he has not done anything in Test matches in these conditions. He should not have played in the 1st test itself."

Hardik Pandya gets support from our best ever captain, a guy who knows how to spot talent and nurture. Hope Team Management listens to Dada and not Holding's views.
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About time the armchair experts who constantly ridicule Pandya acknowledge a great captain who knows talent when they see one. Ganguly rightly pointed out that Pandya looked better than most of the other batsmen so was in no way shape or form to be blamed for the defeat.

Pandya's bowling might be mediocre today but with the right guidance he has a far greater ceiling than Faheem Short Trundler Ashraf, as we've seen glimpses of it when he had so few runs to defend against Bangladesh in the 2016 WT20 and bowled well against Pakistan last year in the final. In addition he can hit 90mph as well.
 
topspin said:
Pandya's bowling might be mediocre today but with the right guidance he has a far greater ceiling than Faheem Short Trundler Ashraf, .
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And the winner for the joke of the day is you mate. The Pakistan fans don’t rate Faheem too highly, we know he is a decent limited overs bowler who needs to prove his metal in batting and also in test matches, but to see Faheem being called a trundler by a Pandya fan could possibly be the most silly thing I heard on this forum for weeks.
 
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