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With the T20 World Cup in mind and assuming that Shaheen Afridi and Hassan Ali are the first choice pacers in the team, who gets the 3rd pacer slot?

Faheem has been hit and miss and can barely be classed as an all-rounder at the moment.

This then throws up the match-up between Haris Rauf and Mohammad Hasnain. Both quick, both able to take wickets, but both can go for plenty on a a bad day.

Haris currently has 26 wickets in 20 T20Is at an average of 25.15 and an economy rate of 8.77. His strike-rate is 17.10.

Hasnain on the other hand has 14 wickets in 15 T20Is at an average of 30.14 and an economy rate of 8.77. His strike-rate is 24.80.

Whilst Rauf keeps making the same mistakes, Hasnain seems to be learning about the art of bowling pretty quickly and seems to be improving with experience.

What to go for, the wicket-taking ability of Haris Rauf or the more reliable Hasnain?
 
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Rauf needs a rest to sort himself out. Hasnain looked like a much better bowler last night and must play next games assuming Hassan Ali is back in the line-up, if not M Wasim and Hasnain should play
 
Hasnain is mediocre as well but he is much better than Rauf.
 
Management is destroying Haris Rauf by playing him in all formats, he is a T20 specialist with pace yorkers skills. Hasnain fits in all 3 formats not Haris Rauf :facepalm:
 
Neither however yesterday hasnain showed some maturity especially in his first over, Raul is to scatter gun just another wahab riaz basically
 
I like both but my vote goes to Husnain at the moment. He's more versatile (not just a t20 specialist), younger and has shown over the last 2 years that he is improving. Rauf can be very effective on his day but he's essentially the same bowler with the exact same skill set that we saw 3 years ago in PSL.Husnain will hopefully add a yard of pace too as he grows into mid 20s.
I think he was kind of underappreciated yesterday as well. 28-1 when England were going at above 10 an over was literally I as effective as taking 4 wickets in the match.
 
Hasnain is much better. He is 20 and has more of a ceiling than Haris, who's probably in 30s and is a terrible fielder. Hasnain is a better batsmen too.
 
Husnain he has got better and better and I do not recall a complete horror show from him yet.
 
Too early still.

Hasnain can become much better version of himself. He has many things going for him but in the 'against' column, there is lack of enough wickets. He hits the deck hard, bowls heavy balls but doesn't take as many wickets as he should by bowling yorkers, cutters, bouncers etc.

Haris Rauf - I am not a fan of and don't think will ever be. He does get wickets though - sometimes crucial one's.

Overall, we need to see their development - and I also think both should play tons of domestic long-form cricket to develop into proper bowlers. Or both will waste away over time.
 
Haris is a poor bowler with little control but has wicket taking balls in him but he has little idea what they are, Hasnain has more control in comparison but never looks like getting anyone decent out because he doesn't have any/ much lateral movement to beat the bat.
 
Rauf is a wicket taker but he goes for plenty and doesn't have good control but his yorkers are excellent
Husnain has better control over line and length but doesn't take enough wickets.
I would take Husnain as he's younger and has a decent brain and bowls at similar pace to Rauf
 
Bewal Express said:
Haris is a poor bowler with little control but has wicket taking balls in him but he has little idea what they are, Hasnain has more control in comparison but never looks like getting anyone decent out because he doesn't have any/ much lateral movement to beat the bat.
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I agree. Hasnain has pace and better control than Haris but he just never looks like he is threatening to dismiss anyone. Haris sprays it all over the place but also has good yorkers and somehow manages to get some wickets. I think Hasnain should play all games this series to decide if he is can take Haris' spot in the starting XI of the World T20. He was brilliant in game 1, a very underrated performance.
 
Bewal Express said:
Ignore the ages, they are normally fake
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If you compare Hasnain from PSL 2019 to today, you can clearly tell that's a person who's gone from being a teenager to a young adult. Think he's 21 as claimed.

Also, Haris looks his age too, in the Hasan Ali/Pat Cummins age bracket.
 
Hasnain looks like a better bowler for sure.

Haris is only useful when he is landing the yorker right, but Hasnain did that as well.

Tough call but I think I'd take Hasnain.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
If you compare Hasnain from PSL 2019 to today, you can clearly tell that's a person who's gone from being a teenager to a young adult. Think he's 21 as claimed.

Also, Haris looks his age too, in the Hasan Ali/Pat Cummins age bracket.
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Maybe, but most of our players have faked ages so that shouldn't be a yardstick to judge any of our bowlers. There is a reason they look past it when they are "30"
 
angrypathan said:
Hasnain looks very young though, has to be in his early 20s.
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My point is a more general one, we have these "youngsters" who are not youngsters and when they are supposed to reach the age of peak, we realise they are too old. I know people that know Mohammed Amir, Najaf Shah and Shadab and they are between 3-4 years older than their faked ages.
 
zacattakk said:
I agree. Hasnain has pace and better control than Haris but he just never looks like he is threatening to dismiss anyone. Haris sprays it all over the place but also has good yorkers and somehow manages to get some wickets. I think Hasnain should play all games this series to decide if he is can take Haris' spot in the starting XI of the World T20. He was brilliant in game 1, a very underrated performance.
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Haris lacks the instinct of an intelligent bowler, from where I come from they call them thick. Hasnain just doesn't move the ball to threaten good batsman, in one respect that doesn't matter in T20 cricket but if a team has no wicket takers, it will go to pieces under pressure. Hasnain needs to play FC to learn to get batsman out.
 
I was really impressed by Rauf’s fielding in the last game.

It seems like he has worked really really hard. Deserve to be persisted with.
 
Hasnain will end all debate about this in the 2nd t20. He will recieve phainta and everyone will forget his 1st game performance.

Because the answer is none of these two. They have been fastracked way too early and under Waqar neither has learnt a thing about bowling.
 
Right now, Rauf for sure.

He has to play and only bowl death overs. Nothing before the 8th over
 
I always liked Hasnain over Rauf (possibly because Rauf always looked like a tapeya, and not a proper cricket ball bowler), but I echo the general consensus, neither of them looks ready for international cricket.
 
haris is at the limit of his potential, he wont improve much. hes a useful backup, but pak shouldnt be relying on him as a first xi regular.

husnain hasnt developed as well as i had hoped when i saw him a few years ago, every now and again he bowled with beautiful shape in the psl, but havnt seen that repeated in internationals.
 
Rana said:
Right now, Rauf for sure.

He has to play and only bowl death overs. Nothing before the 8th over
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If we had a new ball bowler then fair enough but we don't have a new ball bowler with shaheen
 
Bewal Express said:
My point is a more general one, we have these "youngsters" who are not youngsters and when they are supposed to reach the age of peak, we realise they are too old. I know people that know Mohammed Amir, Najaf Shah and Shadab and they are between 3-4 years older than their faked ages.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. Shahid Afridi is a recent example. However, I feel because of the likes of Shahid Afridi and that 14-year old debutant for Pakistan, other players who are of genuine age are looked upon doubtfully. Some even claimed that Babar, Sarfraz or Imad were older than what they claimed, although you could clearly see them progress through and then from the age groups, esp Babar.

Hasnain, Shaheen, Babar, etc. are all the age that they claim to be, at least from what I can gauge.
 
A good howler is not a good coach, waqar has destroyed Pakistani bowling. Bring Shane Jurgensun as coach
 
Bowling: Hasnain
Feilding: Rauf
Batting: Rauf

I know their primary job is to bowl and take wickets, but it is equally important to be good in field and not to drop crucial catches.

Had Hasnain plucked that livingstones catch at third man when he was on 7 perhaps, England wouldn't have crossed 150. Credit to batters they had posted big total and dropped catch didn't impact the result.
 
Haris Rauf is essentially a bowling machine with not much substance.

Runs in.
Delivers a predictable hit me ball.
Repeats.

Useful if he can bowl Yorkers, which is rare.

Does that mean Hasnain is much better? No, he too bowls a lot of hit me deliveries. Is still better.
 
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Haris is proper garage!! He ain't got a clue where he lands the ball . . Ends up with a couple of cheap wickets that mask his performances.
Not that Husnain is a world beater (and a terrible fielder), he is way better than Rauf.
 
hitthestump said:
Hasnain will end all debate about this in the 2nd t20. He will recieve phainta and everyone will forget his 1st game performance.

Because the answer is none of these two. They have been fastracked way too early and under Waqar neither has learnt a thing about bowling.
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Spot on and looks like what you said is true as he has received a phainta.

Both are average, shame how far our bowling stock has fallen
 
Hasnain 3/51
Rauf 2/48

Can't decide who was worse.
 
They're young, developing bowlers. They've got the right ingredients to be exceptional bowlers. They will improve. Have to be patient, rather than chopping and changing yet again.

Most viewers of cricket have short-term memories. I remember making the exact same argument about Shaheen almost exactly 2 years ago, when there were calls for dropping him after the Eng ODI series, and then especially after the Afghanistan warm-up game anomaly and the opening game vs Australia. Then too did Shaheen 'lack brains', 'can't handle pressure' or was an 'overhyped/overrated talent', etc. Imagine we actually listened to those 'fans' and hadn't brought back Shaheen for the SA game, just prior to the crucial NZ game at the WC. Let's learn from the past and not be fickle.
 
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Rauf outperforming Hasnain so far in the National T20 Cup in terms of wickets and economy rate.
 
Rauf got trained in Australia by the Aussie bowling coaches during Big Bash, and he learned how to deliver the ball with the right seam position facing towards the first slip.

And shame on Waqar where he trained almost all Pak pacers to bowl with a horrible wrist position (as if they are bowling an off break with pace, and don't wanna put too much spin on the ball). And apparently, Hasnain exactly has this flaw. I am seeing that many other right arm young pacers deliver the ball with the same issue; seam position facing towards short-leg instead of it facing towards first slip.
 
Rauf over Hasnain any day.

Hasnain has no personality as a bowler. Can someone tell me what his specialty is? Needs to play more domestic cricket to do justice to his talent. He's too raw and inexperienced to be playing international cricket.
 
Rauf, with no schooling ( cricket wise , picked from street ) has low ceiling in learning and his basics , particularly run up is faulty , so no point in investing too much and too long on him. Hasnain is young, tall and fast, that's all the basics you need in a fast bowler. He might not be a quick learner but he is making slow progress and I would stick with him.
 
Hasnain is the slowest 90mph bowler the game has ever seen. Batsman play him like an 82mph medium pacer and he has no wicket taking balls. He is a terrible bowler and he is going backwards at a rate of knots. Haris has a great Seam and wickets in him, but has the intelligence of Umar Akmal, and has no idea that he has this talent and never will.
 
Lets put it this way, neither will win you anything.

Time to invest in Dahani, my man!
 
gazza619 said:
Lets put it this way, neither will win you anything.

Time to invest in Dahani, my man!
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I would rather keep Dahani for tests and some limited ODI, and never for T20.
It will be foolish to waste his talent and his potential in these tamasha T20 cricket where bowlers get their moral down on continuous basis.
Dhahani is built for Test cricket. Let’s not butcher him in T20
 
Rauf is 27 and brainless. What you see is what you get.

Hasnain is 21, he's young and can improve and has been making steady progress, and his economy is vastly better than Rauf.

Personally would not have either of them in the first XI.
 
Firebat said:
Rauf is 27 and brainless. What you see is what you get.

Hasnain is 21, he's young and can improve and has been making steady progress, and his economy is vastly better than Rauf.

Personally would not have either of them in the first XI.
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I think it's not Rauf's fault that he is being selected.
If the selectors choose a tape-ball bowler, they will get a tape-ball bowler.
It's not Rauf's fault.

Having said that, if Rauf can consistently bowl bouncers like he did to K. Manzoor the other day, he can be a much better bowler.

That's just my opinion. Could be totally wrong.
 
How about Faheem Ashraf ahead of them, or perhaps Dahani?
 
Rauf and Hasnain are both good prospects. They have some shortcoming that they need to overcome if they want to play a bigger role in Pakistan Cricket going forward.
 
I won't select Dahani for white ball cricket so far, lest he goes the same way as Rauf and Hasnain due to a lack of experience in the longer formats. Unless Dahani sees a future as a white ball specialist, I'd rather he keeps bowling in first-class cricket and is eased into the test side.

Between Rauf and Hasnain, I'd probably pick Rauf but it's touch and go.
 
This thread may be relevant now as Pakistan prepares for the all important SA tests.

Rauf looks a different bowler when there is bounce in the pitch. Can Aquib convince him to become available for red ball again?

Alternatively can Hasnain be an option for test cricket?
 
Path are bang average.

Would be taken apart by any half decent batting side and are nowhere near Test / ODI level.

Can possibly play as T20 mercenaries.
 
gazza619 said:
This thread may be relevant now as Pakistan prepares for the all important SA tests.

Rauf looks a different bowler when there is bounce in the pitch. Can Aquib convince him to become available for red ball again?

Alternatively can Hasnain be an option for test cricket?
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It's near impossible for Rauf to become a Test bowler.

Even Test bowlers who see spikes in their T20 workloads suffer from injuries and their pace is inconsistent etc. Eg. Josh Hazlewood in the last 4 years

Rauf is primarily a T20 bowler, is 31 and he will most likely struggle if he has to play Test cricket.
 
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