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Salah performing well again this season. Consistency is the making of a great player. Certainly up there with the best at the moment.
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As you can probably remember... I criticised him for having a very downbeat/sulky attitude earlier in the season.
Tonight he was immense. Running into space and past people, bringing others into the game and ofcourse the assist aside from his own goal.
Did you notice how Firminho was everywhere tonight?
If Mo is put into transfer market today, what could be his fee? My hunch is it’ll be around £125m; obviously he is world class. At this moment, I think only 4-5 players can draw higher price than him - Messi, Hazard, Neymar, Mbappe, KDB and may be Dybala. Anyone else?
Rubbish dive yesterday, don't need Liverpool to be divers like the Spuds
Not many can deny he is World Class but Salah bro should stop with the diving
Terrific player, but also a pathetic diver. It will certainly help him fill Ronaldo or Neymar’s shoes at Madrid or Barcelona.
It will be hard for Liverpool to keep him this summer.
Please dont ruin this thread with your ignorance. Salah did not dive yesterday and has many times not fallen down when he had the chance to do so.
He is a diver. Your biased opinion doesn’t interest me.
Every player takes a 'dive' at times lol. Salah if anything tries to continue when being fouled. Ive watched every minute of him playing since he arrrived at Liverpool. Your ignorant opinion makes me laugh.
It doesn't matter if you have watched every minute. You are a Liverpool fan and your opinion is thus heavily tainted with bias. There is no doubt that Salah is world class, but there is also no doubt that he is a diver.
Ive played football, I go to the games. You are Pakistani, probably never played a full match at any decent level so dont know much about football.
Did he dive last night when the penalty was awarded?
Ah, the good old "you are Pakistani so you don't know football". When this card is used, it is obvious that the person has lost the argument. Yes Salah did dive, he could have held his ground but he took a dive which has been the norm for him this season.
Anyway, I am not sure why you are in denial. Salah is not the only great player to dive. Ronaldo and Neymar are massive divers, but that hasn't changed the fact that they are great players.
Yes it is not something that you want to see especially from elite players, but Salah will remain a top player regardless of his diving habit.
Ah, the good old "you are Pakistani so you don't know football". When this card is used, it is obvious that the person has lost the argument. Yes Salah did dive, he could have held his ground but he took a dive which has been the norm for him this season.
Anyway, I am not sure why you are in denial. Salah is not the only great player to dive. Ronaldo and Neymar are massive divers, but that hasn't changed the fact that they are great players.
Yes it is not something that you want to see especially from elite players, but Salah will remain a top player regardless of his diving habit.
It doesn't matter if you have watched every minute. You are a Liverpool fan and your opinion is thus heavily tainted with bias. There is no doubt that Salah is world class, but there is also no doubt that he is a diver.
It was a penalty, according to the pundits and when I saw it live that's exactly what I thought.
If that's hard to digest, I recommend watching it again with your favourite Peshawari naan.
Lol. Have you ever played football? if have have then you would know that was not a dive. The defender had both his arms around him.
Was that Peshawari naan bit a joke? Anyway, you can argue over that particular penalty if you wish, but there is no denying that he is a serial diver.
I am not sure why admitting to it is a problem. He is not the first or won’t be the last quality player to dive. Unfortunately some (not all) are playing the religion card again, and have to seemingly defend him no matter what.
He’s arguably the most hacked player in the league and many times stayed on his feet and not been given the foul so he can be forgiven for being theatrical when fouled. Also some of these ‘dives’ are him anticipating a challenge to avoid a serious injury rather then to win a pen, when the tackle doesn’t come in it can look silly but as mentioned above you need to play the game to understand..
Check out his goal against Bournemouth and you might change your opinion!
Yes it was a joke! But also good food from your region, so it might help lessen all the tension here about Salah.
No doubt he has dived and gone down easily, but having read your comments it seems you can’t distinguish between the two. Does Salah go down easily like most footballers? Yes
Has he dived? Yes but he isn’t a serial diver/cheat like you’re making him come across simply because he’s only started doing this repeatedly this season, which comes to no surprise since more players are marking him now.
But his issue is more about going down easily (minimum physical contact), which I must emphasise again isn’t blatant diving.
I’m not Billu bhai, so I’m not going to defend him merely on the basis of his religion. You should know by now (from my cricket related posts), I say how it is.
Salah can certainly do more to stay on his feet, however with the competitive edge you find at the highest level of the sport, the sad reality is you’ll find teams and certain players, display a win-at-all costs type of football. Coaches play a big part of making players do this, as they want to exploit every chance they get to win every minute on the field. It is what it is. Football isn’t a gentleman sport featuring players of high morals and integrity.
I think he went down rather easily, and even if the general opinion is that it wasn’t a dive, it doesn’t change the fact that Salah is a diver.
It appears that Salah is becoming the Amla of football for some people who has to be defended at all costs. He is a terrific player but he is a diver, and that is a fact not an opinion.
Again your assessment shows you haven't played football. Stop talking about a diver etc you said this was a dive and saying something else now. Stop playing the amla card we know you don't like Salah for obvious reasons.
Don’t give me lectures on football. I know football and I know stuff, and I don’t have a bias for or against Salah. I am happy to put my knowledge of football to test against anyone on this forum.
Anyway, he is an outstanding player and one of the best in the world. However, he is also a diver.
Actually, the truth is that people are over-defensive of Salah because of “some” obvious reasons, which he is why he is becoming the Amla of football. However, unlike Amla, he is actually very, very good and not overhyped by any measure.
Ah, the good old "you are Pakistani so you don't know football". When this card is used, it is obvious that the person has lost the argument. Yes Salah did dive, he could have held his ground but he took a dive which has been the norm for him this season.
Anyway, I am not sure why you are in denial. Salah is not the only great player to dive. Ronaldo and Neymar are massive divers, but that hasn't changed the fact that they are great players.
Yes it is not something that you want to see especially from elite players, but Salah will remain a top player regardless of his diving habit.
I mentioned Pakistani because you haven't played any type of football in England at any type of decent level and therefore dont understand the game. You have proven this by saying Salah dived lol.
Let me help you out.
A dive is when a player drops to the floor without being fouled. A foul is an unfair challenge by a player. Salah was fouled as the defender had his arm around his body. Salah tried to wriggle out of it but as he was unfairly challenged he lost balance and then fell to the floor. Sure he could have tried to stay on his feet but there is no complusion on a player to do so when being unfairly challenged.
The referee, commentators and pundits all agreed it was a foul.
Please learn the basics of football and try to play the game which will help you undertand the sport.![]()
you have already shown enough of your knowledge by coming to the conclusion that he dived the other day. No need to to show more. No one bring amla here since you are obsessed with him thats why you bought it up.
Again, wrong. There is a subtle difference between diving and going down easily - a dive is when a player drops to the ground without any or very little contact, and this often yields them a yellow card if the referee catches them.
“Going down easily” is when a player is getting hacked and fouled and they decide to drop to the ground to exploit the situation. This mostly happens in the box because referees rarely give penalties unless a player goes down.
Salah was getting fouled against Crystal Palace, but the defender did not force him to fall down. He deliberately went to the ground to win a penalty.
You can justify it all you want, but it is against the spirit of the game and not something that should be encouraged. The likes of Messi and Hazard have tried to stay on their feet many times when going to the floor would have won them penalties.
Salah is not only a diver but he also tends to go down easily. Again, not a big deal because a lot of players do that, but there is no reason why Salah should be defended and portrayed as if he is some sort of saint.
These commentators and pundits that you are using to justify your position are the same people who call Messi the GOAT which you rubbish, so perhaps you should be a little consistent.
Besides, I don’t need football lessons from someone who thinks Ronaldo is better than Messi. I am afraid you are the one who needs to learn the basics of football.
dive is when a player drops to the ground without any or very little contact, and this often yields them a yellow card if the referee catches them.
Where did I say Ronaldo is beter than Messi? Please show you're not a liar.
Salah was playing against Cardiff. If you dont even know what team is out there, there is no hope.)
Any unfair contact is a foul.
Stick to painting pretty pictures, you've never played football and will never undestand it.![]()
What kind of question is this? He's obviously world-class, just not the best in the league. Hazard is easily the better player. Comeback when Salah drags Liverpool to two league titles, a league cup and FA cup and then we'll talk about that
Also this discussion about whether Salah is a diver is a strange one. He dives as much as the next winger. I would definitely say he's a "diver" but the fact that people have some sort of moral high-ground about it is silly, I don't know any elite wingers that don't drop if they need to.
Sorry my bad, I wrote Crystal Palace because I was talking about them in another conversation with someone else. I have been following football for as long as I have followed cricket, and I know my teams and my players.
Plus, I don’t just watch English football only and follow other leagues as well. Anyway, I am glad you could have a laugh on my expense.
Not sure why “stick to painting pretty pictures” is going to bug me. I take tremendous pride in my artistic abilities. I would be happy to give you some advice if you are struggling to draw a line.
“Any unfair contact is a foul” doesn’t apply in the penalty box. The defenders have greater margin of error and unless the player drops to the ground, the referees don’t give penalties (handballs notwithstanding).
I think I saw you claim that Ronaldo is better than Messi, but if you are denying that claim, I have no reason to disbelieve you and I will actually apologize for false attribution.
Something that you failed to do after wrongly accusing me of propagating a fake video against Imran Khan. Nevertheless, I will be the bigger man.
I wont apologise to you because you haven't apologised for saying Pakistani school children who may grow up to be terrorists are fair game by Indian bombs.
Back to the topic. You are wrong, there is no difference in a foul outside the box or inside according to the rules. I can also show you many occasions where Salah hasn't fallen to the floor after being fouled and some of those he continued but failed to score. This is not the hallmark of divers.
You took my post out of context. However, this isn’t the place for that debate. You are happy to believe what you want.
No, there is a difference in a foul inside the box or anywhere else on the pitch. Outside the box, the referees often give a mere shrug or a push as foul, but they rarely do that in the box unless the player drops to the ground.
Besides, not every diver dives all the time. Even Neymar and Ronaldo don’t go the ground whenever a defender touches them. However, they do with a high frequency and so does Salah.
No qualified referee would agree with you. Can you show me where in the rules it says this?
Messi is a bigger diver than most players in the world. Salah is not a frequent diver, this is false. We will agree to disagree as niether you or I have stats to back this up.
It is not about what the rules say but how the rules are implemented. Unless a defenders brings a player to the ground, referees rarely give penalties.
How many instances do you recall where a mere push was enough to give a penalty even when the fouled player stood his ground?
I actually feel that one way of minimizing diving and players going down easily is for referees to give penalties whenever a foul is committed and not wait for the player to fall to the ground before blowing the whistle.
You are probably the one person to accuse Messi of being a diver, but if you want to agree to disagree, I have no issues with that.
Hazard is comfortably the best player in the league. People forget how good he is. Somehow, Salah has become God’s gift to the PL after 2 years.
Hazard is not only a better player but also he is not a cheat either. In addition, he is not the type of player who runs for greener pastures as soon as his team starts to struggle. Someone in his place would have left Chelsea for Madrid years ago, and he even delayed his move from Lille until they agreed on a transfer fee.
A genuine role model in every sense of the world. Outstanding footballer, respects the spirit of the game and keeps a low profile. Unfortunately there are very few top players like him, if any.
I think he is going to leave for Madrid/Barcelona soon.
Barcelona could be looking at him as a potential Messi replacement.
That's not going to happen. Don't read into him being misquoted. Watch the interview.
He doesn't want to leave Liverpool unless the club let him go.
I am not talking about him getting misquoted or not. Player loyalty doesn’t exist these days, especially among non-youth players.
He has won everything at Liverpool and this is his fourth season. He will be 29 in June. Not many players can resist a big move to Barcelona or Madrid.
It is also a good opportunity for Liverpool to sell him for a massive fee and refresh the forward line.
Salah, Mane and Firminho are all getting close to the 30 mark, and teams that think long-term have a smooth transition rather than those who allow all their key players to get old together.
Look at what happened to Barcelona and their failure to keep the squad fresh.
Selling Salah for £100M+ now is a better deal than selling a 31-32 year old Salah for half the price.
Fans are more emotionally invested than the club. When they have a great player, they are always hoping that he won’t go anywhere and retire at the club, but the club itself looks at players more of an investment, especially if it is a non-home grown player.
Few clubs in the world would turn down a £100M+ bid for a 29 year old player who has already achieved everything at the club and won so much, and has spent his best years at the club anyway.
Have you been watching football lately? Barcelona can't afford 100m+ player and have you seen where they are on the table?
It is Barcelona, not Getafe. They are struggling today but it is still one of the biggest and most illustrious clubs in the world.
The lack of transfer budget issue is overblown. Barcelona will sell enough players in the summer to recoup a large fee and if they sell Messi they will also free up astronomical wages.
You are getting offended at the mere idea of Salah leaving Liverpool soon even though it is quite possible.
When a club is going through a golden period, the fans always think and hope that it would last forever. Maybe you think they Salah, Mane, Van Dijk, Alisson, Fabinho, Firminho, TAA etc. would all retire at Liverpool but unfortunately football doesn’t work like that.
A lot of will change at Liverpool within the next 3-4 years.
lol. A lot changes in all clubs. This isnt some sort of great prediction or prophecy but common sense.
The same was said of Salah after his first season but he signed a new contract. Salah has 2.5 years remaining. Many players look for a final big contract, this is normal in football. But he isnt going anywhere for the next 1.5 seasons at least.
Of course it is just common sense, which is why it is surprising to see him getting so defensive over the mere idea of Salah leaving Liverpool soon.
I don’t remember what was said about his first season but a lot has changed since. He has gone onto win the league and the UCL and will soon add another league to his collection. He will also be 29 next summer. His Liverpool cycle is coming to a close and both him and the club are obviously aware of it.