Has Pakistan progressed as a nation in the last 70 years?

[Napa]

I'm sure the millions who go hungry everyday in India or the thousands of farmers committing suicide can rest in peace that India is developing a lunar lander and 2 CEOs are of Indian origin who had to run away from India get further education abroad and then finally rose through the ranks to become CEOs. Would have remained copy-paste software developers had they stuck around in India.

The poor in India are much more likely to be pulled out of poverty when the entire country is progressing. According to WHO stats, the number of Indians in poverty has fallen from 61% in 1980 to 25% in 2015.

You have no idea what kind of software work goes on in India. You seem to believe that firms like IBM and Accenture are copy paste firms given that the majority of their workers are now in India.

 

[sshakir411]

The poor in India are much more likely to be pulled out of poverty when the entire country is progressing. According to WHO stats, the number of Indians in poverty has fallen from 61% in 1980 to 25% in 2015.

You have no idea what kind of software work goes on in India. You seem to believe that firms like IBM and Accenture are copy paste firms given that the majority of their workers are now in India.

You keep mentioning IBM and Accenture as if they're leading the way in cutting-edge technology. These guys main business is technology infrastructure outsourcing and they're big players in that but their Indian employees are not leading the way in anything. There's nothing out of the ordinary that their Indian offices do..In fact, all innovation comes out of Silicon Valley and India keeps the IT operations running due to the large number of IT professionals. There's not one thing that India has discovered or come up with that Silicon Valley hasn't and this is despite the larger IT workforce of India...so I don't get your point at all. Explain.

 

[Napa]

You keep mentioning IBM and Accenture as if they're leading the way in cutting-edge technology. These guys main business is technology infrastructure outsourcing and they're big players in that but their Indian employees are not leading the way in anything. There's nothing out of the ordinary that their Indian offices do..In fact, all innovation comes out of Silicon Valley and India keeps the IT operations running due to the large number of IT professionals. There's not one thing that India has discovered or come up with that Silicon Valley hasn't and this is despite the larger IT workforce of India...so I don't get your point at all. Explain.

Obviously, on a 10 point scale you will have different levels of performance. If Silicon Valley is 9.5, then maybe Bangalore is 8. Most other countries in the world are 2 or worse. Going from a level of 2 to 8 is credit to democracy, wouldn't have happened without it.

The same sort of analysis can be applied to the job being done by workers in the US, India and elsewhere.

 

[sshakir411]

Obviously, on a 10 point scale you will have different levels of performance. If Silicon Valley is 9.5, then maybe Bangalore is 8. Most other countries in the world are 2 or worse. Going from a level of 2 to 8 is credit to democracy, wouldn't have happened without it.

The same sort of analysis can be applied to the job being done by workers in the US, India and elsewhere.

Democracy did play a role but it is also the fact that Indians have been pursuing IT as a career since the early 90s...Why is it that Indians don't lead the way in anything but IT?

 

[Syed1]

Haryana, Himachal and Punjab are states. Their average ($3,300, $2,800 and $2,400) is still about 80% higher than Pakistan's ($1,550) per cap.

Yeah those three states are heaven on Earth.... more developed than USA

 

[Syed1]

The poor in India are much more likely to be pulled out of poverty when the entire country is progressing. According to WHO stats, the number of Indians in poverty has fallen from 61% in 1980 to 25% in 2015.

You have no idea what kind of software work goes on in India. You seem to believe that firms like IBM and Accenture are copy paste firms given that the majority of their workers are now in India.

Yeah even IBM and Accenture need call center agents.. a job which Indians specialize in

 

[Napa]

Yeah even IBM and Accenture need call center agents.. a job which Indians specialize in

This reply shows multiple level of ignorance.

1. Work done by Indian employees of IBM and Accenture is not call center work.

2. The sort of clients which these firms have are not those who need call center kind of support.

 

[Napa]

Democracy did play a role but it is also the fact that Indians have been pursuing IT as a career since the early 90s...Why is it that Indians don't lead the way in anything but IT?

Probably because there are lots of smart people in other countries.

Software is the easiest industry for a country starting up behind to catch up. You need less of an existing infrastructure, if you can code you can be competitive

Also 1990s was also the time when the democratic government finally set the industry free

 

[Napa]

Yeah those three states are heaven on Earth.... more developed than USA

It appears that you feel compelled to reply to every post, even though if you read your post again you would realize how pointless it was.

 

[Abdullah719]

Topic of the thread is Has Pakistan has progressed as a nation in the last 70 years.

 

[Romali_rotti]

For a country of Pakistan's capability aka EX INDIANS, I see zero meaningful achievements till date. If India can achieve what they have so far, it is disappointing to see EX INDIANS of the same DNA achieve nothing... Brutal,honest truth...

 

[MenInG]

For a country of Pakistan's capability aka EX INDIANS, I see zero meaningful achievements till date. If India can achieve what they have so far, it is disappointing to see EX INDIANS of the same DNA achieve nothing... Brutal,honest truth...

appreciated.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

We have done reasonably well post 2008
Judiciary and media gaining power
18th constitutional amendment
Army wiping out militants and staying within their constitution limits...
Parliament slowly getting power..
Economy slowly getting on track.
Not bad..
Foreign policy also improved

 

[MenInG]

stick to the topic

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Hitler came to power by elections and then he abolished it.The Germans didnlt fight to retake it.

Trump is in power because the majority in America want him.You may think immigrants and falling nationalism isnt the problem for them it is.You are free to vote for your choice they for theirs.

This elitist thinking that the illiterate chai wala cannot make a choice is wrong.He is as much a part of the country and will be as much affected by the rulers as you, or perhaps more.He has as much right to choose his leader as do you.Your priviledges dont take away his rights.

The system where the people decide who will rule and the ruler is answerable to his people is the most competent system out of the ones we have.Its not flawless but its the most competent.

Hitler came to power via elections...Hitler campaigned on Nazism and the people responded by electing him. There are at least 6 million European Jews who would argue that the illiterates of Germany allowed democracy to fail them.

Actually the majority in American wanted HRC, but yes you are right the system majority wanted him and we got him.

Remember you had issue with the members of the COA appointed to guide/lead the BCCI? Those were educated men, not illiterate chaiwalas, and yet you still had issue with them because they lacked the brutishness and greed that you felt the BCCI needed in order to dictacte to the ICC. At least thats what I remember.

Now imagine having an illiterate chaiwala leading the BCCI. What would have happened?

And if an illiterate chaiwala can vote, why not a 12 year old child who can read and write and also make tea? Why does the chaiwala get a say but the 12 year old doesn't? 12 year olds are also affected by national policy, are they not?

The issue is that people are deluded if they think rulers are answerable to them. In third world countries, there is very little accountability and in first world countries there is accountability only in rare circumstances (Nixon and Clinton impeachements).

 

[Napa]

And if an illiterate chaiwala can vote, why not a 12 year old child who can read and write and also make tea? Why does the chaiwala get a say but the 12 year old doesn't? 12 year olds are also affected by national policy, are they not?

This is an extremely condescending and elitist attitude that the lower classes like chaiwalas are not able to understand what is good for them. In reality, I have met many graduates of the very top universities of the world, whose understanding of the real world is arguably as poor as that of the lower classes.