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Has the Pakistan pace bowling attack (barring Mohammad Amir) become comparable to the Indian one?

Zak_Fan said:
Teletubbies performed twice as good as your phaast ones, didn't they?

Talk big when even a single Pakistani pacer performs anywhere near what Ishant of Bhuvi did in England.
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Still 2 tests to go man. Why would you do this to yourself?

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Prince_ said:
Amir struggled in the t20 Asia cup and got hammered by Indian and Bangladeshi batters.


He was taken to the cleaners by kiwis and aussies in the recently finished t20 world Cup and now he's even struggling to perform in tests in his favourite haunting ground England!!


So it's quite safe to say that he has been playing mediocre cricket and struggling to fit in international cricket since his come back.


Wahab is a one spell wonder boy who doesn't deserve a spot in the playing 11 (don't know whether S.khan or any other fast bowler from Pakistan is good enough to replace him since Pak doesn't have as many bowling talent as they used to have in 90s)


Rahat too is one dimensional and ordinary.


The only bowler who can be considered as a decent bowler from the present Pak squad is Yasir even though I believe that he was quite lucky and got quite a few cheap wickets in the first test against England.


So ya, there's no doubt that the Pak Bowling strength is highly overrated and it's in no way better than that of India.
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Wow. Amir got hammered by Indian and Bangladeshi bowlers? He ripped India apart while in the Bdesh match he ripped out Bdesh's only decent player, Soumya Sarkar's middle-stump out of the ground. That Sarkar wicket was the reason Pakistan was in the game. Took out poor Sarkar once more in the joke T20 match Pakistan played against your team.

Amir has been a bit disappointing in terms of penetration though. Needs time to get his groove back. Rahat and Wahab are a worrying problem though. Both leak runs consistently sending Amir and Yasir into defensive mode.

Our pace bowling sure looks like the crap Indian bowling attack right now. Rahat needs to be dropped for sure.

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ethan hunt said:
Rahat and wahab and pretty one dimentional and mediocre but 1 year stats dont make sense . Thats not a big enough sample.size . Teams would have hardly played many tests in that period .
A 5- 6 year cycle would be more relevant.
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5-6 year cycles only mean something if and only if both teams had the same number of difficult away tours in these cycles. So these are just as meaningful.
 
Once again, the Indian fast bowlers bowling well. Is it safe to say that we have better fast bowlers than Pakistan ATM?
 
#GreenRoars said:
Since last 5,6 years, Indian pace attack is better than Pakistan in LOI and also in Test game.
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No Roary I think only in the last two years. Before that Pakistan pace attack were still ahead even if it was only in the UAE. But now I think our pace attack is actually ahead which is quite surprising. The decline of Junaid has hurt Pakistan and so has the absence of Asif. I'm also surprised they are not investing in Ehsan Adil. I thought he had more potential than any of the other young seamers when I last saw him. Even the current bunch would do much better as a unit if they stick to a good line/length and make England work for their runs. Rahat and Wahab spraying it around simply does not help.
 
As a team indian bowlers are probably better than the pakistani ones at the moment. You can clearly see they bowl according to a plan. Making the batsman play each and every ball and bowling in the right areas is the key. Pakistani bowlers on the other hand have the speed but they don't use their mind these days. Amir and Yasir are an exception though rest of them don't impress me much. Other thing is Pakistan should atleast play one right arm bowler this will add variety to their bowling line up. Having same type of bowlers and poor catching is also one of the reason behind their poor performance.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
As a team indian bowlers are probably better than the pakistani ones at the moment. You can clearly see they bowl according to a plan. Making the batsman play each and every ball and bowling in the right areas is the key. Pakistani bowlers on the other hand have the speed but they don't use their mind these days. Amir and Yasir are an exception though rest of them don't impress me much. Other thing is Pakistan should atleast play one right arm bowler this will add variety to their bowling line up. Having same type of bowlers and poor catching is also one of the reason behind their poor performance.
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Yasir is a spinner. We are only comparing the seamers.:misbah
 
Only Indian pace bowler I'd take into Pakistan side atm would be shami. I rate him better than Rahat and at least more effective than wahab. Rest are mediocre. Bhuvi might be better than Rahat on pitches that offer some assistance, but Rahat is ahead on flatter pitches.
 
Indian Test bowling Vs Pakistani Test bowling

Indian bowling averaged 44 in 2014 tour of england

Pakistani bowling is averaging 44 this year,


So much for the better fast bowling , worlds top leg spinner when weare on the same level of the bowling attack we like to ridicule the most. I think india didnt get plundered by moeens bat.
 
The bitter truth. Our bowling is awful and massively overrated.
 
Pak bowling has been mediocre.

Amir with all its potential and comparison with Wasim has been nothing more than a Zaheer level bowler in test as of now.When he does better I will rate him not now.

Yasir Shah is a bowling equivalent of Ashwin.

Rahat and Wahab are rubbish.I will wait for more games before rating Sohail and Imran.

So we can say that Pak has one Zaheer level fast bowler and one Ashwin level bowler and some XYZ mediocre bowlers or young bowlers who have long way to go and haven't established themselves.
 
You have to take conditions and situations into account.
How would you rate Broad and Finn based on this series .
Pakistani bowlers have shown a lack of control and poor fitness rather than anything.
 
ethan hunt said:
You have to take conditions and situations into account.
How would you rate Broad and Finn based on this series .
Pakistani bowlers have shown a lack of control and poor fitness rather than anything.
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They are not going to get better conditions.
 
Ab Fan said:
Pak bowling has been mediocre.

Amir with all its potential and comparison with Wasim has been nothing more than a Zaheer level bowler in test as of now.When he does better I will rate him not now.

Yasir Shah is a bowling equivalent of Ashwin.

Rahat and Wahab are rubbish.I will wait for more games before rating Sohail and Imran.

So we can say that Pak has one Zaheer level fast bowler and one Ashwin level bowler and some XYZ mediocre bowlers or young bowlers who have long way to go and haven't established themselves.
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Zaheer won India the 2007 test series in England. Amir still has some way to go before he can be compared to Khan..
 
Pak bowling does have greater potential, but has not been delivering. Other than Yasir Shah at Lord's, the overall performance has been below average.

India on the other hand, have a lower ceiling, but have delivered better than Pakistan.

Skill and Talent wise, Amir is much better than all our bowlers, and Yasir is slightly better than Ashwin. The other Pak bowlers are on par with the likes of Ishant, Yadav and Shami.
 
Bowling has been average yet the series is level. Tells you a lot about England's batters other than Root and Cook.
 
LOL this are absolute roads with a bit of bounce. Still we won a test amd bowled eng out cheaply in 1st innings.

Even broad and anderson have been average.
 
Sidilicious said:
Pak bowling does have greater potential, but has not been delivering. Other than Yasir Shah at Lord's, the overall performance has been below average.

India on the other hand, have a lower ceiling, but have delivered better than Pakistan.

Skill and Talent wise, Amir is much better than all our bowlers, and Yasir is slightly better than Ashwin. The other Pak bowlers are on par with the likes of Ishant, Yadav and Shami.
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Its not what they can do but what they do do matters and we can see what they do do is no better than Indian bowlers
 
Sandeep said:
Zaheer won India the 2007 test series in England. Amir still has some way to go before he can be compared to Khan..
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Fair enough. Though Amir did perform in 2010.

Zak though, won us tests in SA,and performed brilliantly in NZ in 2009, Aus in 03, Eng in 2007 (and was really threatening in his first spell of the first test in 2011). He also put in countless winning spells and performances in the not so fast bowling friendly conditions of India.

Amir, without a shadow of doubt, can become a greater bowler than Zak. Will He? His legacy will always be tainted slightly. And currently, as you suggested, given his performances, he has long way before he can even be considered in the Zak category. He needs to start delivering soon. Next test, possibly?
 
Pakistani's bowling is grossly overrated for a long time. We no longer have the best bowling attack in the world. Heck our bowling isn't even the best among the Asian teams. Time for Pakistanis to accept that.
 
Sidilicious said:
Fair enough. Though Amir did perform in 2010.

Zak though, won us tests in SA,and performed brilliantly in NZ in 2009, Aus in 03, Eng in 2007 (and was really threatening in his first spell of the first test in 2011). He also put in countless winning spells and performances in the not so fast bowling friendly conditions of India.

Amir, without a shadow of doubt, can become a greater bowler than Zak. Will He? His legacy will always be tainted slightly. And currently, as you suggested, given his performances, he has long way before he can even be considered in the Zak category. He needs to start delivering soon. Next test, possibly?
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Zaheer was the wasim akram of India , he can't be compared with these lulloos.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Its not what they can do but what they do do matters and we can see what they do do is no better than Indian bowlers
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Agree. Amir, needs to start delivering. Though lets give him a couple more series, before we can start passing judgements. He has just returned to international Test Cricket.
 
Nah, Pakistani bowlers are more talented. Performance is different issue.
 
We've bowled England out for 272, 207 and 297 in this series so it hasn't been that bad. We've had two bad innings where we've conceded 589 and right now 414 but on placid pitches.
 
If pakistani bowlers are as bad and have played on similar wickets than surely pakistani batsmen are better than Indian batsmen ??
Cant be true both ways.
 
Both Indian and Pak bowling units will struggle to take 20 wickets against good batting units on flat tracks.

I still rate Indian bowling slightly better than Pak attack.

Amir > Shami
Ashwin = Yasir
Jaddu/Mishra > Babar
Ishant/BK/Yadav = Wahab/Sohail/Rahat
 
Pakistan have Amir and Shah. India had no bowlers of such quality in that series against England.

Not a fair comparison.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Zaheer was the wasim akram of India , he can't be compared with these lulloos.
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A bit much, no.

I know we like to over rate our players, and get a bit too touchy about Sachin, but Zak being India's Wasim is a bit much.

Wasim inspired kids like Amir. Zak unfortunately, hasnt had the same impact. That I believe is one the basic requirements of being a great - inspiring others.
 
Sandeep said:
Zaheer won India the 2007 test series in England. Amir still has some way to go before he can be compared to Khan..
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He will get to Zaheer level as per the glimpses shown by him in this series. He has bowled some excellent spells but hasn't been consistent especially with the new ball.
 
troodon said:
Vince, Ballance should be replaced. These 2 are walking wickets.
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They don't have many options that's why they went back to Balance. Borthwick is one that comes to mind but other than that not loads to pick from. Cook is playing in division 2 county cricket and Baylis doesn't watch county cricket at all.
 
I think England in 2014 had much better bowling conditions. The amount of times India got bowled out cheaply and under 100 tells you everything.
 
Ab Fan said:
He will get to Zaheer level as per the glimpses shown by him in this series. He has bowled some excellent spells but hasn't been consistent especially with the new ball.
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Zaheer is grossly underestimated in this forum. Granted, he didn't have pace, but his control of swing to none. At one point in time, I think it was 2010, Zaheer was easily the best pacer in the world. You can even dig up few threads on PP for this.

Amir can definitely get better, but calling him equal to Zaheer already is criminal. Amir still has a long way to go.
 
We(bowling attack) averaged 45 with the ball and now Pakistani bowlers ate averaging around the same . Not much difference to be honest.
 
India has a pathetic Bowling attack. Even though bowlers like amir, Rahat and yasir are quite average bowler and nothing special but even they r way better than our trundlers.


The only world class bowler we have in our side is Ashwin. Everyone else is crap.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Indian bowling averaged 44 in 2014 tour of england

Pakistani bowling is averaging 44 this year,


So much for the better fast bowling , worlds top leg spinner when weare on the same level of the bowling attack we like to ridicule the most. I think india didnt get plundered by moeens bat.
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Pakistan haven't bowled to their potential agreed but remember India was bowling on green tops and overhead conditions..
 
Nikhil_cric said:
We(bowling attack) averaged 45 with the ball and now Pakistani bowlers ate averaging around the same . Not much difference to be honest.
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Different conditions dont you think ??
Or is the pakistani batting lineup better than India ??
 
Sandeep said:
Zaheer is grossly underestimated in this forum. Granted, he didn't have pace, but his control of swing to none. At one point in time, I think it was 2010, Zaheer was easily the best pacer in the world. You can even dig up few threads on PP for this.

Amir can definitely get better, but calling him equal to Zaheer already is criminal. Amir still has a long way to go.
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does average 10% lower than Zaheer tbf
 
Sandeep said:
Zaheer is grossly underestimated in this forum. Granted, he didn't have pace, but his control of swing to none. At one point in time, I think it was 2010, Zaheer was easily the best pacer in the world. You can even dig up few threads on PP for this.

Amir can definitely get better, but calling him equal to Zaheer already is criminal. Amir still has a long way to go.
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He will get there is what I said.The bar isn't too high.
 
Both Mohd's (Amir and Shami) will end up with similar careers I believe. Averaging 29-30.
 
ethan hunt said:
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Different conditions dont you think ??
Or is the pakistani batting lineup better than India ??
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The tracks are definitely flatter, I won't lie. But the question isn't that.

The question is, does Pakistan need bowler friendly green tracks to prove that they are a better bowling attack than BK/Ishant/Jaddu/Pankaj Singh, especially when they have Amir and Yasir in their ranks?
 
street cricketer said:
The tracks are definitely flatter, I won't lie. But the question isn't that.

The question is, does Pakistan need bowler friendly green tracks to prove that they are a better bowling attack than BK/Ishant/Jaddu/Pankaj Singh, especially when they have Amir and Yasir in their ranks?
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Yes
Either green tracks or ones with reverse swing because Rahat and wahab are spray guns and try to bowl like millionares on flat pitches.
Wahab is very one dimentional he is the best in asia when it starts reversing but useless on green seamers.
Rahat is talented but has terrible control .
But as a group these guys pose more wicket taking threat than the indian bowlers i believe.
 
ethan hunt said:
Yes
Either green tracks or ones with reverse swing because Rahat and wahab are spray guns and try to bowl like millionares on flat pitches.
Wahab is very one dimentional he is the best in asia when it starts reversing but useless on green seamers.
Rahat is talented but has terrible control .
But as a group these guys pose more wicket taking threat than the indian bowlers i believe.
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But even the Indian bowlers appear potent on bowler friendly tracks. BK and Ishant bowl well on green tracks (Lords test), Yadav reverses the ball on abrasive tracks (Delhi test where he skittled the South african line up in the last innings to win the test) and Jadeja looks like Underwood on turners.

What is the real difference then?
 
Indian plays a more consistent role right now
 
At present, PAK pace attack is not better, simply because they can't use the new ball & concedes too many to the openers. Therefore, often PAK has to drag the game back. But, the issue is not a major one - if Mickey can work fundamentals with Rahat & Aamir with their new ball bowling, potentially this can be one of the best attack in world. Rahat bowls zaffers, but he is not a good bowler for a bowling combination as he releases the pressure, while Aamir is more complete, just that he needs 20-25% improvement in every aspect as well.

PAK's best new ball bowler is Sohail, but he started the 3rd Test at 37, after 3 days, he is now 40 years old. Wahab is a rhythmic bowler, brilliant sometimes, awful often - can't be part of 4 bowler strategy.


[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - I watched the 5th day of Kingston Test.

May be, Bangladesh won't have let WI saving that Test from 40/4, & one gifted wicket by Umpire - in fact, WI was 85/6 with 2 set batsmen in; hypothetically, in a timeless Test, I would have been very nervous, as an Indian fan. And, that was a 98 overs day with 260 at hand, after taking top 4 previous evening.

It's not because of lack of skill - BUT because of heart - once Blackwood hit out few, I saw everyone, including Indian commis going defensive - you don't become attacking bowling unit with a faint heart.
 
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Indian bowlers are poor, Pakistan bowlers are brilliant. The only reason they are not able to bowl well is because:

1. No cloud cover.
2. Pitches are flat.
3. England batting better
4. England figured yasir out. The pitches are too flat for him to make impact.

Otherwise Pakistan bowlers would have crushed England. Only bowlers who can compete with Pakistan bowlers is former Pakistan legends. Bowlers like steyn, Anderson, broad are no comparison to Aamir, sohail and rahat.

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Indian trundlers > Pakistani trundlers, this isn't even a question when it comes to world events..
 
giri26 said:
Indian bowlers are poor, Pakistan bowlers are brilliant. The only reason they are not able to bowl well is because:

1. No cloud cover.
2. Pitches are flat.
3. England batting better
4. England figured yasir out. The pitches are too flat for him to make impact.

Otherwise Pakistan bowlers would have crushed England. Only bowlers who can compete with Pakistan bowlers is former Pakistan legends. Bowlers like steyn, Anderson, broad are no comparison to Aamir, sohail and rahat.

absolutely true. potw..
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Indian bowling has been better in ODIs and T20s for sometime now. However Pakistan always maintained its fast bowling legacy in test cricket and even if their bowlers weren't world class, they were still better than the Indian ones in the longer format. But I'm afraid it's coming to an end now even in the longer format..
 
Lol, at barring Amir in the title. I can assure you any one of our bowlers would have picked up more wickets than Amir did. And Shami has more variation and skills in his little finger than Amir has in his entire hand. Can swing both ways, has a killer bouncer, can reverse with pace and accuracy all day
 
Indiafan said:
Lol, at barring Amir in the title. I can assure you any one of our bowlers would have picked up more wickets than Amir did. And Shami has more variation and skills in his little finger than Amir has in his entire hand. Can swing both ways, has a killer bouncer, can reverse with pace and accuracy all day
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Lol at overrating Shami so much
 
Indiafan said:
Lol, at barring Amir in the title. I can assure you any one of our bowlers would have picked up more wickets than Amir did. And Shami has more variation and skills in his little finger than Amir has in his entire hand. Can swing both ways, has a killer bouncer, can reverse with pace and accuracy all day
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Ma sha Allah, may Allah give him more skills.
 
At the moment India have better pace attack and it was about time also. Pakistan have had better attack for decades so let the Indians enjoy it as long as it lasts.
 
Pakistani pace attack is not worthy of discussion even.Australia has shown that where they belongs.Where a dot ball or a ball without a boundary being hit is a relief,you can sense the quality of that bowling line up.

India has a good attack now if Shami,Yadav,Bhuven,Ashwin,Jadeja are fit and playing.But i am not sure about their back up pacers and spinners if these are injured.
 
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