Hasan Ali - Are his days in the Pakistan squad limited?

[Saj]

Needs to use his intelligence more with bat and ball.

Needs to up his game and attitude.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Depends on how he performs in this tournament.

 

[Mueez]

Oh man this lad has been truly awful with the ball.

Hasan what has happened to you?

 

[Ronaldo7]

He could actually be a decent all rounder but his bowling has been so so poor.

 

[Mueez]

He could actually be a decent all rounder but his bowling has been so so poor.

He is still better than Faheem as an all rounder.

 

[shah_1]

He needs to be dropped after this WC.

I would give Haris Rauf a chance

 

[Grunge101]

They should play Husnain instead of him ..This decision really shouldnt be hard.

So far this WC, 3 matches, 1 wicket, economy of 7.16, average of 172, SR of a 144.

How will Husnain be any worse than this ?

 

[Ronaldo7]

They should play Husnain instead of him ..This decision really shouldnt be hard.

So far this WC, 3 matches, 1 wicket, economy of 7.16, average of 172, SR of a 144.

How will Husnain be any worse than this ?

Hasan has experience whilst hasnain doesn't. I wouldn't like hasnain getting smacked for 55 off 5.

 

[babajee]

I've been a massive fan and backed him since day one but he is also starting to test my patience now. India game is do or die for him in my eyes.

 

[Plumb]

Focus is not there... or may be losing his charm... I don't know but by the looks on tv alone I can say that we have seen his prime and it may be downhill from here... I hope I am wrong but I don't see any improvement.

He has lost the seam movement which he showed 2 years ago. His lengths are more often than not hit me balls, its a real sign of worry. Lets hope for the best...

 

[Mueez]

And he is out of the squad...

 

[Saj]

And he is out of the squad...

They are trying to cover it up by saying he has a back injury.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

They are trying to cover it up by saying he has a back injury.

shld have not been welcomed in the camp.. but good thing.. atleast some1 deserving got to play in the domestic game

 

[Mueez]

They are trying to cover it up by saying he has a back injury.

I don’t believe that.

He has been absolutely pathetic in the last couple of series and the recently concluded World Cup.

 

[Saj]

Well it seems that the PCB medics are suggesting that he is close to playing again.

Lets see what the new version of Hassan Ali is like.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Well it seems that the PCB medics are suggesting that he is close to playing again.

Lets see what the new version of Hassan Ali is like.

We have lots of new bowlers now, will be tough for him to get back into the side.

 

[Mueez]

We have lots of new bowlers now, will be tough for him to get back into the side.

He could still be useful in Asia.

Has good reverse swing skills.

I had high expectations from him... wonder what happened to him.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

He could still be useful in Asia.

Has good reverse swing skills.

I had high expectations from him... wonder what happened to him.

His arrogant, lazy attitude with.the stupid celebration will kill the dressing room atmosphere. We need hard workers and honest criceters, not show-offs like Hasan or Shadab.

 

[Titan24]

If he can get his accuracy back, he is still one of the best around. Lack of height makes poor ball easier to put away than someone with more height as a tall bowler gets away even with poor balls on occasions with natural bounce.

If he is accurate, he is one of the most complete bowlers around who can do something with new ball, can reverse the older bowl and can bowl in mid 140s along with decent off cutter and slower balls. In last 2 years he struggled to get the length where his skills are more effective. He still bowled decently in tests in his off period though, ODIs were the biggest let down.

Its not easy to produce products and if you have a decent product no point in writing it off after a poor season or two. He is young and if he works hard he does have a decent future ahead.

 

[Mueez]

His arrogant, lazy attitude with.the stupid celebration will kill the dressing room atmosphere. We need hard workers and honest criceters, not show-offs like Hasan or Shadab.

You are right.

They still have time on their sides to turn the tides.

Let’s hope they get their attitude and work-ethic back right.

Because it is a shame. So much talent will be wasted.

 

[Danyaalr01]

Please, we don't need him right now. If he wants to come back then perform in domestic. He shouldn't be an automatic selection anymore. There are more deserving people like Naseem, Sameen and Shaheen.

 

[Mueez]

Bump.

With the emergence of many youngsters, will Hasan Ali be able to make a comeback?

 

[shamaan]

Bump.

With the emergence of many youngsters, will Hasan Ali be able to make a comeback?

Proberly 50/50 atm

 

[MMHS]

Tough as a specialist pacer in either format. His best chance to as to improve batting and compete with Faheem (or others) for that No. 8 spot of bowl By all-rounder. He had decent batting potential as well, but didn’t develop on that.

 

[Mueez]

Tough as a specialist pacer in either format. His best chance to as to improve batting and compete with Faheem (or others) for that No. 8 spot of bowl By all-rounder. He had decent batting potential as well, but didn’t develop on that.

Yeah, he has to improve his batting, otherwise I don’t see him making a comeback to be honest.

Such a shame though. Was a great bowler during the middle-overs.

 

[shamaan]

Tough as a specialist pacer in either format. His best chance to as to improve batting and compete with Faheem (or others) for that No. 8 spot of bowl By all-rounder. He had decent batting potential as well, but didn’t develop on that.

Hes much better than fahim come on bro

 

[MMHS]

Hes much better than fahim come on bro

That’s not a very high standard to be honest. But yes, Hasan Ali had tremendous potential as a bowling all rounder. He could use semi old ball brilliantly, had pace as well, and his strokes were much more natural than even some specialist bats - high back lift, very good bat swing, crispy timing and good hand eye. What he needed was focused, dedicated long hours at nets under a pro coach to improve his defence, footwork, placement & shot selection - could have been a 20+/100+ ODI batsman, and a Test batsman averaging between 23-25.

 

[leatherface58]

Man what happened to this guy? I remember him setting the Champions Trophy tournament on fire and then was picking up wickets in all conditions. This has been one incredibly steep fall. I heard he had some severe back injury which might have curtailed his performance.

 

[shamaan]

That’s not a very high standard to be honest��. But yes, Hasan Ali had tremendous potential as a bowling all rounder. He could use semi old ball brilliantly, had pace as well, and his strokes were much more natural than even some specialist bats - high back lift, very good bat swing, crispy timing and good hand eye. What he needed was focused, dedicated long hours at nets under a pro coach to improve his defence, footwork, placement & shot selection - could have been a 20+/100+ ODI batsman, and a Test batsman averaging between 23-25.

Forget his batting let him concentrate on his bowling like he did in champions trophy hes not thier to win with the bat

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Forget his batting let him concentrate on his bowling like he did in champions trophy hes not thier to win with the bat

I think what MMHS bhai means is that we’ve already found decent replacements for him if he is just a pure pacer. His best hope of making it to the squad is to refashion himself as a utility player since currently Pakistan does not have a quality seam bowling allrounder.

I think if he did this, he would become a fantastic addition to the Test squad in South Africa and England.

 

[Hasan123]

I think he is going to struggle to return to CT form after he comes back from this back injury. Don't trust PCB medical care and Hasan Ali doesn't have that desire to improve.

It's really sad.

 

[shamaan]

I think he is going to struggle to return to CT form after he comes back from this back injury. Don't trust PCB medical care and Hasan Ali doesn't have that desire to improve.

It's really sad.

Apparently they have the best back specialist dealing with it

 

[shamaan]

I think what MMHS bhai means is that we’ve already found decent replacements for him if he is just a pure pacer. His best hope of making it to the squad is to refashion himself as a utility player since currently Pakistan does not have a quality seam bowling allrounder.

I think if he did this, he would become a fantastic addition to the Test squad in South Africa and England.

I just belive his a slugger who will get you quick runs I dont think he is capable of batting like shadab in tests

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

I just belive his a slugger who will get you quick runs I dont think he is capable of batting like shadab in tests

Not capable of batting like Shadab, will always be a bit of a slogger, but at least he can become more consistent with his technique, get a proper defensive technique, etc. to be able to last at the crease rather than hit a six or two once in a while. Can become more versatile.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Not capable of batting like Shadab, will always be a bit of a slogger, but at least he can become more consistent with his technique, get a proper defensive technique, etc. to be able to last at the crease rather than hit a six or two once in a while. Can become more versatile.

The pity with Hasan Ali was that if he could have continued his form as a middle-overs pace bowler and also become a somewhat reliable #8 -#9 slogger, he had a real niche carved out for him in white ball cricket. Disappointing...

 

[Hasan123]

Apparently they have the best back specialist dealing with it

Fair enough but still difficult to come back from a back injury.

 

[TeymurBlake]

There's some solid pacers being unearthed that are likely to be brought into the team fold. Hasan Ali has his work cut out for himself. But his potential for being a bowling allrounder will help.

 

[shamaan]

Not capable of batting like Shadab, will always be a bit of a slogger, but at least he can become more consistent with his technique, get a proper defensive technique, etc. to be able to last at the crease rather than hit a six or two once in a while. Can become more versatile.

Yes defo needs to work on his technique and if he can will be useful defo

 

[shamaan]

Fair enough but still difficult to come back from a back injury.

100 percent

 

[Greenstorm]

He was eating Karahi with Shadab and other buddies during PSL in Islamabad. These 'stars' are not serious with their profession.

 

[Titan24]

He was eating Karahi with Shadab and other buddies during PSL in Islamabad. These 'stars' are not serious with their profession.

I think cheat days are allowed for athletes around the world. Yes a diet which isnt healthy for the fitness level you need as an international player shouldn't be part of your day to day lifestyle.

Though I agree when it comes to overall fitness, not just looking lean and passing yo yo tests then definitely there is a lot of room for improvement and our players should set a higher standard for themselves.

In modern day cricket Kohli is an example who has taken fitness to another level not just to pass fitness tests rather because he wanted to be better and he became by being the best in the world. Same was the case with Wasim and Waqar, they used to work really hard on their fitness unlike the Pak pacers we have seen in last decade or so.

Difference between becoming an ATG or just another player is not only talent but the work ethics which includes not only working on your game but hard on your overall fitness as well to have a longevity. We have rarely seen that from Pak players in recent times. Babar and Shaheen have shown that will to improve and we can only hope they can continue to do so.

 

[shamaan]

He was eating Karahi with Shadab and other buddies during PSL in Islamabad. These 'stars' are not serious with their profession.

Am sure english players eat cakes and chips and whatever
Shadab and hassan are fittest in the team

 

[shamaan]

I think cheat days are allowed for athletes around the world. Yes a diet which isnt healthy for the fitness level you need as an international player shouldn't be part of your day to day lifestyle.

Though I agree when it comes to overall fitness, not just looking lean and passing yo yo tests then definitely there is a lot of room for improvement and our players should set a higher standard for themselves.

In modern day cricket Kohli is an example who has taken fitness to another level not just to pass fitness tests rather because he wanted to be better and he became by being the best in the world. Same was the case with Wasim and Waqar, they used to work really hard on their fitness unlike the Pak pacers we have seen in last decade or so.

Difference between becoming an ATG or just another player is not only talent but the work ethics which includes not only working on your game but hard on your overall fitness as well to have a longevity. We have rarely seen that from Pak players in recent times. Babar and Shaheen have shown that will to improve and we can only hope they can continue to do so.

Shadab is one of the fittest with hassan ali shadab is easily best fielder and hassan ali isnt bad to

 

[sweep_shot]

I think it will be hard for him to make a comeback unless other pacers decline massively.

 

[Titan24]

Shadab is one of the fittest with hassan ali shadab is easily best fielder and hassan ali isnt bad to

When I mentioned Babar and Shaheen my point wasnt only fitness but their hunger to improve in every aspect including fitness which shows a certain attitude and temperament.

Shadab has always been fit and credit to him while Hassan Ali's start and progression was tremendous but I think his progression was halted post CT17 just like most of Pak team.

Also I think Hassan Ali needs to improve his bowling fitness and overall bowling muscles strength. He visibly looks lean in good physique but based upon what has happened recently it looks like his core strength is lacking a bit. Regularly getting injuries deters your career and Hassan's in last 6-10 months or so has suffered couple of back injuries and a rib injury. Yes sometimes its uncontrollable but Hassan looked unlike himself even on the field so he might have lost focus somewhere which could have effected his overall fitness as well. All our pacers in last decade or so havent managed themselves well and that is one of the reasons we havent seen anyone getting 200+ wickets in any format with Akhtar being the last. Lets hope he gets back on track.

 

[shamaan]

When I mentioned Babar and Shaheen my point wasnt only fitness but their hunger to improve in every aspect including fitness which shows a certain attitude and temperament.

Shadab has always been fit and credit to him while Hassan Ali's start and progression was tremendous but I think his progression was halted post CT17 just like most of Pak team.

Also I think Hassan Ali needs to improve his bowling fitness and overall bowling muscles strength. He visibly looks lean in good physique but based upon what has happened recently it looks like his core strength is lacking a bit. Regularly getting injuries deters your career and Hassan's in last 6-10 months or so has suffered couple of back injuries and a rib injury. Yes sometimes its uncontrollable but Hassan looked unlike himself even on the field so he might have lost focus somewhere which could have effected his overall fitness as well. All our pacers in last decade or so havent managed themselves well and that is one of the reasons we havent seen anyone getting 200+ wickets in any format with Akhtar being the last. Lets hope he gets back on track.

Then I agree with you your statement regarding fitness and hunger to improve.

Defo agree with the muscles strength and core strength.i do belive its becouse he lacked focus and hard work and thinking hes a superstar.do you belive shaheen will have less injuries and will get 200 wickets pluss and who else will get this

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Forget his batting let him concentrate on his bowling like he did in champions trophy hes not thier to win with the bat

Frankly, I don’t understand this obsession of making allrounders out of strike bowlers. In most cases it destroys them eg. Irfan Pathan. If Imam ul Haq can play for Pakistan team purely as a opening batsman, I believe Hasan was deserving enough to be in final 11 as a first change bowler.
Why does it’s always bowlers who have to also contribute with bat in order to be a “team player”? Its never other way around. It really pisses me off. Can you imagine management telling Sehwag that he needs to chip in 10 overs if he wants to be regular in team. It would destroy his confidence.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

When I mentioned Babar and Shaheen my point wasnt only fitness but their hunger to improve in every aspect including fitness which shows a certain attitude and temperament.

Shadab has always been fit and credit to him while Hassan Ali's start and progression was tremendous but I think his progression was halted post CT17 just like most of Pak team.

Also I think Hassan Ali needs to improve his bowling fitness and overall bowling muscles strength. He visibly looks lean in good physique but based upon what has happened recently it looks like his core strength is lacking a bit. Regularly getting injuries deters your career and Hassan's in last 6-10 months or so has suffered couple of back injuries and a rib injury. Yes sometimes its uncontrollable but Hassan looked unlike himself even on the field so he might have lost focus somewhere which could have effected his overall fitness as well. All our pacers in last decade or so havent managed themselves well and that is one of the reasons we havent seen anyone getting 200+ wickets in any format with Akhtar being the last. Lets hope he gets back on track.

Can you elaborate on how some bowlers are more injury prone while some are not?
Some people say its related to your bowling action but Bumrah has been playing all 3 formats with his difficult action but Ashish Nehra, Munaf Patel were injury prone for most part of career. Every time they made comeback they lost a bit of pace. I am so excited about Shaheen shah but everytime he bowls a bouncer, he bends his back much more, i skip a heartbeat. He is so young.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Frankly, I don’t understand this obsession of making allrounders out of strike bowlers. In most cases it destroys them eg. Irfan Pathan. If Imam ul Haq can play for Pakistan team purely as a opening batsman, I believe Hasan was deserving enough to be in final 11 as a first change bowler.
Why does it’s always bowlers who have to also contribute with bat in order to be a “team player”? Its never other way around. It really pisses me off. Can you imagine management telling Sehwag that he needs to chip in 10 overs if he wants to be regular in team. It would destroy his confidence.

India didn’t have better openers than Sehwag available.

Hasan has been in horrible form for 2 years. And now he’s injured. He needs a massive resurrection in form to return as a pure bowler.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] is only making a suggestion for his own sake which i agree with. He is someone who can return to 70% of his previous bowling potential and become a 30% better batsman, which is much easier than returning to 100% of his previous bowling potential.

This will a) help Hasan find a place in the team again and b) give Pakistan a great utility player.

If he doesn’t work on his batting, I foresee a difficult return for him. And maybe he won’t get that return at all.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

India didn’t have better openers than Sehwag available.
b) give Pakistan a great utility player.

If he doesn’t work on his batting, I foresee a difficult return for him. And maybe he won’t get that return at all.

I pray he makes a comeback as a better version of himself. I hope he don’t go the Anwar Ali route. It really pains me to see prodigal talent gone wasted

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I pray he makes a comeback as a better version of himself. I hope he don’t go the Anwar Ali route. It really pains me to see prodigal talent gone wasted

Was he really ever prodigal? I always liked him but I think he just had a purple patch. Never really oozed huge talent to the naked eye, he always did better on paper on the scorecards, but I haven’t seen many “magic” balls from him when actually watching him on tv.

 

[pakistani pride]

Was he really ever prodigal? I always liked him but I think he just had a purple patch. Never really oozed huge talent to the naked eye, he always did better on paper on the scorecards, but I haven’t seen many “magic” balls from him when actually watching him on tv.

Are you serious?

He had pace, zip, movement.
If anything he had huge potential.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Are you serious?

He had pace, zip, movement.
If anything he had huge potential.

Average pace, decent zip and movement. He bowled accurately which helped his case.

Wasn’t really the second coming of a teenage Amir

 

[Titan24]

Can you elaborate on how some bowlers are more injury prone while some are not?
Some people say its related to your bowling action but Bumrah has been playing all 3 formats with his difficult action but Ashish Nehra, Munaf Patel were injury prone for most part of career. Every time they made comeback they lost a bit of pace. I am so excited about Shaheen shah but everytime he bowls a bouncer, he bends his back much more, i skip a heartbeat. He is so young.

Sure. You have raised some valid questions. Based upon what I have understood by watching cricket thing is certian actions in which you bend your back away from the initial momentum of your body a bit much do cause a lot of back issues especialy in the early days as we saw with Pat Cummins, Usman Shiwari and sometimes almost finish careers like Shane Bond and Anwer Ali (Wasnt able to generate the swing after remodelling).

If you look at the footage of these names you will see an action which puts a lot of pressure on back as all of these names tilt towards their left and in case of Shinwari being a left arm pacer he tilted towards his right a lot more than usual bowling actions.

Shinwari and Cummins had multiple stress fractures however, as they grew bit older their body and bowling muscles which they used got stronger along with them working hard on their core fitness and that is why we arent seeing a lot of problems with them in recent times.

Next case is the bowlers you have mentioned like Nehra, Munaf Patel and even Hasan Ali who have pretty smooth actions and shouldnt cause as much stress as the lot mentioned above. However, thing is fast bowling is a really demanding job and unless you have some genetic deficiencies I think if you work hard on your core strength, bowling muscles and bowling fitness one can have a longer career than we have seen with some Pak pacers especially. I believe Wasim, Waqar or coming to modern day work horses like Anderson and Steyn, they were only able to play as much matches consistently without missing much because they put as much hardwork on their fitness as they did on other skills.

Unless there are some genetic issues or an action which is really difficult on the body, it all comes down to bowling fitness. Hassan Ali didnt have much history of injuries before this and that is one of the reasons I feel he somewhat went in wrong direction post CT 17. As you mentioned Jasprit Bumrah he recently got a back injury and went injury free for longer than many expected. His action is really tough on the body but if he puts in enough hardwork on his fitness and the main bowling muscles he uses he can survive for a longer period as he did before however, any lapse in fitness from his side or a wrong body movement while bowling can effect him more easily than someone with smooth action.

 

[shamaan]

Frankly, I don’t understand this obsession of making allrounders out of strike bowlers. In most cases it destroys them eg. Irfan Pathan. If Imam ul Haq can play for Pakistan team purely as a opening batsman, I believe Hasan was deserving enough to be in final 11 as a first change bowler.
Why does it’s always bowlers who have to also contribute with bat in order to be a “team player”? Its never other way around. It really pisses me off. Can you imagine management telling Sehwag that he needs to chip in 10 overs if he wants to be regular in team. It would destroy his confidence.

That's only 1 player bro.imaam is okay in t20s but in tests in sena conditions he will always be fount wanting in oppening.thats what am saying hes job is bowling let him concentrate on that.but I dont belive management told him to work on his batting I belive it's the public.people saying we can turn him into a all rounder due to what people have seen from him.i belive the injuries destroyed his confidence

 

[ManFan]

He hasn’t thrown a ball since he got married.

Wonder why...

 

[Cric_lover4487]

I guess Hasan Ali has taken a leaf out of Amir playbook. He will play T20 leagues mostly and make $$$.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Average pace, decent zip and movement. He bowled accurately which helped his case.

Wasn’t really the second coming of a teenage Amir

Comical. Very few come up like Amir and do extremely well at International cricket at his age. He could have been an ATG if he never did what he did.

 

[shamaan]

Comical. Very few come up like Amir and do extremely well at International cricket at his age. He could have been an ATG if he never did what he did.

Yes defo could have been good as wasim in terms of skill level

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Comical. Very few come up like Amir and do extremely well at International cricket at his age. He could have been an ATG if he never did what he did.

It was meant to be comical. People on this forum treat Hasan Ali like he’s a wasted talent with that level of talent