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Hasan Ali - Are his days in the Pakistan squad limited?

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The title says it all.

The CT form seems like a decade ago.

Used to be a huge fan of him but his performances over the last couple of series have been changing my view about him.


:facepalm: Hasan why are you ruining your future which gave hope and could have made you an ATG?
 
He did good against SL after the CT and decente in NZ. Cant drop just because he isnt his best atm. Give him the series against NZ and AUS then You can take your conclusion.
 
Hopefully esp after his Wagah drama , although not realistically ,all he has to do is work on his bowling.
 
Lol, he was the only threatening the batsmen today. Beat Dhawan and Rohit quite a few times. You can't keep him down for long. He will come out of this slump.
 
It is the batsmen that are letting the team down - in the limited overs format, bowlers more often than not, just contain. And Pak bowlers are doing okayish, I think. The batsmen, less said the better...
 
Hasan needs to hone his bowling skills but I guess he must be spending more time on how to celebrate after taking a wicket.
 
Hasan need a break, just like the majority of our players. Amir is more likely to have limited days.
 
Seems a bad day to be a Pakistani fan.

No player seems to be safe from escaping criticism.

You really wanna know OP?

When the leader of your team doesn't deserve to be there, because his captaincy isn't good enough and his batting even worse, than why should all the stooges under him perform like world class individuals?

Replace Sarfraz as captain with any young person.

I would say even Imam or Babar.

And give them free hand.

Those who don't wanna play with a youngster as captain, can pack their bags and leave right now.

And watch how our team's fortunes will turn around.
 
His purple patch is over. He was never going to keep up his 2017 performances where he was taking 3 wickets every match. However, he is still our best all-round fast bowler.

I think he needs to be rested for a while - I don't think he should play the UAE Tests vs Australia. What happens in that series depends on our batsmen and Yasir. If they turn up we will beat a weak Australian side, irrespective of which pacers we play.

Hasan needs to take a step back and revisit his bowling. He is not hitting the right lengths consistently and is going through the motions. He is a rhythm bowlers and needs to get his flow back.
 
Mamoon said:
His purple patch is over. He was never going to keep up his 2017 performances where he was taking 3 wickets every match. However, he is still our best all-round fast bowler.

I think he needs to be rested for a while - I don't think he should play the UAE Tests vs Australia. What happens in that series depends on our batsmen and Yasir. If they turn up we will beat a weak Australian side, irrespective of which pacers we play.

Hasan needs to take a step back and revisit his bowling. He is not hitting the right lengths consistently and is going through the motions. He is a rhythm bowlers and needs to get his flow back.
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He needs a good six months off to fully recover from his back niggle he received prior to the PSL.

He will bounce back but needs to reassured that his place will be open once he comes back. Otherwise, he will run himself to the ground in hopes of maintaining his place in the side.
 
Mamoon said:
His purple patch is over. He was never going to keep up his 2017 performances where he was taking 3 wickets every match. However, he is still our best all-round fast bowler.

I think he needs to be rested for a while - I don't think he should play the UAE Tests vs Australia. What happens in that series depends on our batsmen and Yasir. If they turn up we will beat a weak Australian side, irrespective of which pacers we play.

Hasan needs to take a step back and revisit his bowling. He is not hitting the right lengths consistently and is going through the motions. He is a rhythm bowlers and needs to get his flow back.
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I 100% wholeheartedly agree with this. He needs a break, just like a few of our players in our current LOI setup. The fortunate thing for us is that against Australia, we will have alot of different players that don't play ODIs, such as Shafiq, Azhar and even some extent Haris who's just played one match. Give some of our LOI players a rest.
 
LOL they dont need rest! We do not play that much. Look at Bumrah played tests in ENG coming over to the heat of the UAE and bowling well over 140 plus.

Hasan needs to stop bowling short and bowl that fuller length. Thats how he got the LBWs and bowled.
 
He could be a victim of extreme fame and publicity. A lot of professional players embrace it and continue to perform well, whereas some let it get to their heads and slowly fade away. Umar Akmal is a prime example.

Although I'm hoping this isn't the case with Hassan. He has the skills and abilities to continue doing well he just needs some rest. Playing against minnows the past year has ruined his practice and tired him
 
Hasan Ali, like Mohammad Amir, is too short and too slow for 99% of Asian conditions!
 
Mamoon said:
His purple patch is over. He was never going to keep up his 2017 performances where he was taking 3 wickets every match. However, he is still our best all-round fast bowler.

I think he needs to be rested for a while - I don't think he should play the UAE Tests vs Australia. What happens in that series depends on our batsmen and Yasir. If they turn up we will beat a weak Australian side, irrespective of which pacers we play.

Hasan needs to take a step back and revisit his bowling. He is not hitting the right lengths consistently and is going through the motions. He is a rhythm bowlers and needs to get his flow back.
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Wow this.. You sir have hit nail on the head.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Lol, he was the only threatening the batsmen today. Beat Dhawan and Rohit quite a few times. You can't keep him down for long. He will come out of this slump.
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Agree with that. Saw glimpses of the CT hasan ali. Bowled 2 or 3 of his surprising bouncers too. He’ll be back. I’m not sure if it’s just complacency or a niggle. Playing Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka all year doesn’t help either.
 
Some of the comments in this thread.
Like he is not allowed to go through a slump.
 
hafizexpress said:
He could be a victim of extreme fame and publicity. A lot of professional players embrace it and continue to perform well, whereas some let it get to their heads and slowly fade away. Umar Akmal is a prime example.

Although I'm hoping this isn't the case with Hassan. He has the skills and abilities to continue doing well he just needs some rest. Playing against minnows the past year has ruined his practice and tired him
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There is zero proof for this hairbrained theory.
 
I think he should rest the whole Australia test series and t20 series. Have him play NZ (and hopefully if we perform well, he can take a few games off as well in all series involved). Have him fully fit and ready for the SA tour.
 
Mamoon said:
His purple patch is over. He was never going to keep up his 2017 performances where he was taking 3 wickets every match. However, he is still our best all-round fast bowler.

I think he needs to be rested for a while - I don't think he should play the UAE Tests vs Australia. What happens in that series depends on our batsmen and Yasir. If they turn up we will beat a weak Australian side, irrespective of which pacers we play.

Hasan needs to take a step back and revisit his bowling. He is not hitting the right lengths consistently and is going through the motions. He is a rhythm bowlers and needs to get his flow back.
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You know what mamoon
Completely agree with you on this.
 
What a ridiculous thread, after our batsmen perform at the level of a grade cricket team, you are criticizing the bowlers
 
Need to keep it simple for him. Just pick him for ODI's and T20's. He is good in these formats and I am sure he will bounce back with a better work load plan.

Guys like Shaheen, Shinwari are too raw to be our spearheads. After Amir is looking in trouble we need Hasan to be there.
 
Hasan will come back hard, it's Amir who needs to go. Is the playing XI seriously being selected on the superstition that Amir is a big match player and will perform against India?
 
1 more game in the final and he can permanently be stationed at the Wagah doing his :hasan2

The arrogance of some of the Pak posters here even now calling Indian bowlers trundlers makes these thrashings even sweeter.
 
His time is limited until the next five wicket hall then he'll become a hero again. Other bowlers aren't exactly performing either from where I am standing. I am more concerned about the batting and fielding then the bowling at this moment. Lack of runs and dropped catches are costing us the most.
 
Am i the only one who thinks he is carrying so niggle? The way he walks he doesnt look comfortable.
 
He is just going through a rough phase.He will be back in form I believe in his ability.He is still better than others.
 
Madplayer said:
Am i the only one who thinks he is carrying so niggle? The way he walks he doesnt look comfortable.
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Yeah, noticed it towards the end of the Afghan innings. Seems to have an issue with his right ankle.
 
He isn't in the same form as last year, and seems to be carrying a niggle. Despite that, he has looked like our most threatening fast bowler alongside Shaheen.

IMO, he needs to be rested for the Australian and NZ series, bring him back against South Africa, and handle his workload well. He should not be playing meaningless T20s before the World Cup, and he should only play half of the PSL.
 
He hasnt been the same bowler since the hiding he got from Asif in the PSL. :danish

But I am sure he will be back to his best soon, just needs one good match to get backhis mojo
 
This is what happens when workloads aren't managed and when players aren't rotated in meaningless matches against SL B, WI C, World XI, Scotland, Zimbabwe et al.

He's burnt out and/or slightly injured. We need to be careful with him because he isn't a big guy, so any major injury resulting in long lay offs he'll be finished because he will no longer be able to bowl 140+. We saw this with Bilawal Bhatti as well when he was once operating in the mid to high 140s.
 
He has been a joke for a year now.But since he is the new golden boy replacing Amir,he won't be dropped.
 
I still have faith in him and I think he will turn things around.

Sometimes when you are floating and in your own bubble, you need a knock or two to come back to planet earth.
 
He 'll get another punch that 'll knock him down. I don't see him doing any harm to the opponents. Only time 'll tell...
 
I'd drop him for the next game....but the bigger issue is he is clearly talented and skilled with performances to back it up, so why has the sudden drop off occurred?
 
Has been awful for a while. A resurgence in the PSL appeared to suggest that the real Hasan Ali was back but this was clearly not the case.

I don't think it's a coincidence that all our fast bowlers are struggling at once and therefore i don't think we can only just blame Hasan. It's the job of Mickey, Azhar and Safaraz to get the max out of players and they are failing massively at the moment. Again, it's not just Hasan who's struggling. It's time to chop off the heads of the leadership.
 
Gayle had a lot of hit and miss shots in the beginning with Hassan. It was just an unlucky day for Hassan. He's still our top bowler.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what is your take, coaching the main issue, ie Azhar Mahmood and also guidance from Sarfraz ?
 
shaz619 said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what is your take, coaching the main issue, ie Azhar Mahmood and also guidance from Sarfraz ?
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PSL and too much focus on the Mickey Mouse version of cricket - that sh!t is taking it’s toll on PAK cricket. That too on the shittiest of places in earth for cricket.

T20 is the worst medicine for bowlers - it doesn’t develop their body, skills or intelligence. You don’t need bowling discipline, bowling skills or working out batsman - only thing you need is variations so that you can get away with 4 overs for less than 30 runs. He was bowling with scrambled seem as early as 3rd over when ball should still swing.
 
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MMHS said:
PSL and too much focus on the Mickey Mouse version of cricket - that sh!t is taking it’s toll on PAK cricket. That too on the shittiest of places in earth for cricket.

T20 is the worst medicine for bowlers - it doesn’t develop their body, skills or intelligence. You don’t need bowling discipline, bowling skills or working out batsman - only thing you need is variations so that you can get away with 4 overs for less than 30 runs. He was bowling with scrambled seem as early as 3rd over when ball should still swing.
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Is there any hope for him or is he a lost cause now?
 
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Just see the shot he played today to get out, he literally threw his wicket away like he had no interest in team.

Agree he is a tailender but every team member is supposed to show some team spirit.
 
Saj said:
I still have faith in him and I think he will turn things around.

Sometimes when you are floating and in your own bubble, you need a knock or two to come back to planet earth.
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Agree with "a knock or two " , but he has been knocked out for long time now, enough is enough, time to move on from him. Invest in someone taller now.
 
Drop him got Hasnain in the next game, Shaheen should come in for Wahab permanently.

As long as Hasan keeps up with this self obsessed, arrogant attitude, and continues to act like he's already conquered the world, he's going to continue on this downward spiral.

Dropping him for Hasnain will teach him that he's not indispensable. If he bowls rubbish, he'll be dropped.
 
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Is there any hope for him or is he a lost cause now?
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Need a better Captain first - Pankha base won’t agree but this is the most disengaged PAK team I have seen in my memory - players are not even interested to play for even themselves. This happens when Captain looses his dressing room and players are not confident on selection process.

He is like 25 officially - if I take 2/4 years in it hidden, still his best 4/5 years are there, so if he is willing, can definitely make a comeback. But, at his height he’ll never be a top new ball pacer - so, back to the base which I wrote 3 years back in his thread - he should focus on being the finisher in ODI, 3rd pacer in Test and must work hardest to become No. 8 batsman. With bat, he can do much better than Faheem.
 
He bowled with good speed but was bowling length balls to Chris gayle.He should be given a game or two if he doesn't improve should be dropped for hasnain.
 
You know what. Pak fans are half the problem.
He had a good PSL after a dip last year.
YOU DONT KEEP TAKING 3 WICKETS A GAME IN ODIS LIKE HE WAS DOING IN 2017.
WASIM AKRAM GOT 500 WICKETS IN 400 GAMES.
HONESTLY!!!!
He's being put under pressure but he should still play every game
 
Excluding the Hong Kong game since the Asia Cup last year his stats are as follows

Matches - 16
Wickets - 10
Ave - 73
Econ Rate - 6.23

Those are disgusting numbers for a guy who is supposed to be leading our bowling attack. It just goes to show how the CT win and fame has gotten to these guys heads. It's like for them the CT win was it and now they have done their job to book their place in the team for the next 20 years and they can bowl all the rubbish they want. Just pathetic these bowling performances are what I am most disgusted by.
 
Abdullah said:
You know what. Pak fans are half the problem.
He had a good PSL after a dip last year.
YOU DONT KEEP TAKING 3 WICKETS A GAME IN ODIS LIKE HE WAS DOING IN 2017.
WASIM AKRAM GOT 500 WICKETS IN 400 GAMES.
HONESTLY!!!!
He's being put under pressure but he should still play every game
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You don't average 70+ with the ball and go at 6+ runs/over for a whole year either if you are the spearhead of the pace attack. How disrespectful of you to compare the greatest fast bowler of all time to Hasan Ali. Btw Wasim had 500 wickets in 350 matches not 400, and I challenge you to go find a string of even 5 matches where Wasim or even Waqar averaged above 50 with the ball. Heck I bet they never averaged over 40 with the ball in a single series. Even in the last year of his career when Wasim had lost his pace he still averaged 20 with the ball. Out here talking bout PSL and these leagues dude you know Faheem Ashraf was the leading wicket taker in the PSL right? Hasan Ali has been trash since the CT, and even Amir's numbers are better than him in the past year now. So why is there all this patience with Hasan? Fact is dude let the CT win get to his head, and now we are seeing what's happening. Instead of trying to get better these guys are fine with good enough. If he doesn't step up and perform in this World Cup he needs to be dropped.
 
QalandarFan said:
Excluding the Hong Kong game since the Asia Cup last year his stats are as follows

Matches - 16
Wickets - 10
Ave - 73
Econ Rate - 6.23

Those are disgusting numbers for a guy who is supposed to be leading our bowling attack. It just goes to show how the CT win and fame has gotten to these guys heads. It's like for them the CT win was it and now they have done their job to book their place in the team for the next 20 years and they can bowl all the rubbish they want. Just pathetic these bowling performances are what I am most disgusted by.
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Oh boy!! Bowlers are having average that envy a batsmen and batsmen are having average that envy bowlers.
 
Hasan Ali is history now. Hes been out of form for close to 2 years now. This isnt poor form but pure incompetence.
He has nothing to offer now. No movement, no imagination and bowls too short for a bowler of his height. Lacks courage too which is so vital for a fast bowler
 
I think he''s in trouble. Length and short stuff will get you killed here. But he hasn't learnt. Needs to be dropped. I really wish we had brought shinwari along.
 
What about Hassan Ali?

A star, number 1 ranked in the ODI format Hassan was the shining light of the Pakistani bowling attack till 2017. But what happened after that?
Average rises drastically from 17 to 81, Economy rises from 5.0 to 6.2 and strike rate also rises drastically from 20 to 28 in two years.
Whats gone wrong for this young star, who was once unplayable?

Hassan clearly lacks the edge he used to have, and it has to be seen that what are the reasons for it. Getting lazy lack of hardwork?

Furthermore Hassan is pathetic at death bowling, idk why Sarfaraz and the team managment presist on bowling from him at the death. He is pathetic at nailing his yorkers. Has got one good slower ball and that has been easily worked out by batsman.

Hassan is the best in the middle part of the innings, at hitting his lengths. He will suffer at both the opening and closing of the innings and this usage of his in those 2 phases his clearly hit his confidence his stats and his bowling
 
He had an excellent PSL. He will be back among wickets soon. He needs to be used as a wicket taking option just like how Peshawar Zalmi used him. He got whacked by Gayle which is no biggie. Gayle has done that to better bowlers. Pakistan needs to persist with giving him the new ball
 
He's badly out of form and Sarfraz isn't using him well either.

I think on these pitches he can easily get back into form. His pace is up to the mid 140s if Sarfraz begins to use him like he did in the CT in the middle-overs and gets him to hit that good length that you mentioned, from which he can swing the ball then I think he can be successful. Just needs some wickets to get back into confidence and obviously needs to bowl according to a set plan rather than arbitrarily at the start or the end, both of which are not his strong suits.


Biggest problem with Pakistan is that their bowlers don't seem to have a strategy. They don't seem to do their homework on opposition players either. Take the example of the other day for instance; Gayle has been getting out to left-arm seamers regularly. Far more than he has been getting out to right-arm seamers or spinners yet for some reason Hasan Ali was opening the bowling with Amir instead of Wahab.

I know there were very few runs to defend but these little things make a world of difference in modern-day cricket. If you know the opposition's weaknesses you will simply have a greater chance of beating them. Case in point: The West Indies short-pitched bowling.

I just hope the team management and players wake up before its too late.
 
Savak said:
He had an excellent PSL. He will be back among wickets soon. He needs to be used as a wicket taking option just like how Peshawar Zalmi used him. He got whacked by Gayle which is no biggie. Gayle has done that to better bowlers. Pakistan needs to persist with giving him the new ball
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Lol PSL is absolutely no measure of success. Hasan is not good at bowling with the new ball just as he isn't good at the death. Pakistan should be using him in the middle-overs which is what he was good at to begin with but ofcourse when you make every decision arbitrarily without looking at stats, data or research then things like these happen. Rather than getting out of a bad patch early by playing to their strengths our players stay in those bad patches for months.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Lol PSL is absolutely no measure of success. Hasan is not good at bowling with the new ball just as he isn't good at the death. Pakistan should be using him in the middle-overs which is what he was good at to begin with but ofcourse when you make every decision arbitrarily without looking at stats, data or research then things like these happen. Rather than getting out of a bad patch early by playing to their strengths our players stay in those bad patches for months.
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He was taking wickets with the new ball in the PSL and his pace was up at 145-146 km/hr. Pakistan has been having problems getting wickets up front and if you don't get wickets in the first 10 overs, you will not win games.
 
Forget his bowling.

The most cowardly thing he did was he did this. Hafeez was still at the other end.
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Forget his bowling.

The most cowardly thing he did was he did this. Hafeez was still at the other end.
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Don’t think you can criticise him too much for it.
Remember the 50 he made against sa, sarfaraz was still at the other end but still hasan was trying to hit the big shots. He got a 50 and everyone started praising him. Even his 50 vs nz came in the same fashion. Why would he not try to replicate those two performances?
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Don’t think you can criticise him too much for it.
Remember the 50 he made against sa, sarfaraz was still at the other end but still hasan was trying to hit the big shots. He got a 50 and everyone started praising him. Even his 50 vs nz came in the same fashion. Why would he not try to replicate those two performances?
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Nah, he can slog through if he is batting at number 11.

But if the team management have been silly enough to think that he is a number 9 (and that too in a WC match), then he need to show some guts and bat like a number 9.

We still had Hafeez at the other end.
 
QalandarFan said:
Excluding the Hong Kong game since the Asia Cup last year his stats are as follows

Matches - 16
Wickets - 10
Ave - 73
Econ Rate - 6.23

Those are disgusting numbers for a guy who is supposed to be leading our bowling attack. It just goes to show how the CT win and fame has gotten to these guys heads. It's like for them the CT win was it and now they have done their job to book their place in the team for the next 20 years and they can bowl all the rubbish they want. Just pathetic these bowling performances are what I am most disgusted by.
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Please dig up Amir's stats for his last 15 ODI's. Atleast Hasan has picked up 10 wickets
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Don’t think you can criticise him too much for it.
Remember the 50 he made against sa, sarfaraz was still at the other end but still hasan was trying to hit the big shots. He got a 50 and everyone started praising him. Even his 50 vs nz came in the same fashion. Why would he not try to replicate those two performances?
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Also, Hasan is not a defensive player. He can't nudge the ball around- he either goes big or goes home. Don't think he could really be blamed considering everybody else was out to the short ball.
 
The Viper said:
Also, Hasan is not a defensive player. He can't nudge the ball around- he either goes big or goes home. Don't think he could really be blamed considering everybody else was out to the short ball.
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Exactly
He would have probably been yorked or bounced out sooner or later.
 
Savak said:
Please dig up Amir's stats for his last 15 ODI's. Atleast Hasan has picked up 10 wickets
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I don't know what Amir has to do with this but if you want to see Amir's stats in the same amount of ODI's fine.

Matches - 16
Wickets - 8
Ave - 61
Econ Rate - 4.57

So yeah the mighty Hasan Ali has a whole 2 more wickets than everyone's favorite scapegoat Amir, but Hasan's averaging 12 runs higher and has an economy rate 1.7 runs per over higher.

Besides it's not about Amir vs Hasan, fact is both of them have been utter garbage since the CT. The thing is I don't understand why Amir is the only one who gets dropped while Hasan the golden boy hasn't missed a single game in this period. Both of them need to be dropped after the World Cup if they keep performing like this. But at least Amir has started the World Cup on a good note, whilst on the other hand Hasan was out and about spraying it around like he has been for the past 2 years.

Fact is on current form Hasan is the worst bowler in this side, and needs to turn it around fast!
 
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I admit to having a soft corner for Hasan, Bowling form aside, he has the best physique out of all the fast bowlers, muscles and not to lean but not bulky either, in fact i won't be surprised that he has a six pack. Needs wickets under his belt
 
The Viper said:
Also, Hasan is not a defensive player. He can't nudge the ball around- he either goes big or goes home. Don't think he could really be blamed considering everybody else was out to the short ball.
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I have no problem in him getting out on a short ball (if he was playing a defensive stroke). But that ugly hack he played was a disgrace.

Fine that he got no skills to man it out, then Amir should have been sent ahead of Hasan. Another clueless strategy by team management.

It just sends a signal to the opposition as to the manner in which your tail fights.
 
Savak said:
I admit to having a soft corner for Hasan, Bowling form aside, he has the best physique out of all the fast bowlers, muscles and not to lean but not bulky either, in fact i won't be surprised that he has a six pack. Needs wickets under his belt
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Lean or not, physique or not, six pack or not - he will be judged on his bowling effectiveness only
 
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