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Hasan Ali is the best ODI bowler in world cricket today!

IAJ said:
What about this;

Starc the best lefty and Hasan the best right hander?
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I think Ali is the best ODI bowler overall this year, he has like 7 3 wicket hauls back to back.

But overall, career wise, Starc is better but Ali could overtake him in the next 12 months.
 
Rumaan Raees has the potential to be as good as Hasan Ali. Has an average in the low twenties so far in the few ODIs he has played.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Rumaan Raees has the potential to be as good as Hasan Ali. Has an average in the low twenties so far in the few ODIs he has played.
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He has good variations but lacks the pace and zip of Hasan.

I will say Rumman is very good new ball bowler - makes the ball talk in the air and off the wicket.
 
tandapanii said:
I think Ali is the best ODI bowler overall this year, he has like 7 3 wicket hauls back to back.

But overall, career wise, Starc is better but Ali could overtake him in the next 12 months.
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Its hard to over take starc in ODIs. For me, he single handedly won australia the world cup 2015. Look at his economy rate in that world cup and generally in this day and age. Freakish stuff. Hasan would have to put in monumental performances to overtake him convincingly.
 
Madplayer said:
Its hard to over take starc in ODIs. For me, he single handedly won australia the world cup 2015. Look at his economy rate in that world cup and generally in this day and age. Freakish stuff. Hasan would have to put in monumental performances to overtake him convincingly.
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Argument can be made that Hassan Ali's turn around in fortunes in the CT was what won Pakistan that particular tournament. He did so in a worse team and away from home against two of the best bowling line ups around.
 
tandapanii said:
Argument can be made that Hassan Ali's turn around in fortunes in the CT was what won Pakistan that particular tournament. He did so in a worse team and away from home against two of the best bowling line ups around.
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Yes, true. Pak would not have won without Hasan. By no means are Hasan's acheivements in CT a mean feat. It was massive.

But personally speaking, Starc's performance in WC looked better to me. Hasan has had an amazing 2017. I hope he leave starc behind but its going to be tough.
 
Madplayer said:
Yes, true. Pak would not have won without Hasan. By no means are Hasan's acheivements in CT a mean feat. It was massive.

But personally speaking, Starc's performance in WC looked better to me. Hasan has had an amazing 2017. I hope he leave starc behind but its going to be tough.
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Will be great to watch them both as they can only get better.
 
90MPH said:
He has good variations but lacks the pace and zip of Hasan.

I will say Rumman is very good new ball bowler - makes the ball talk in the air and off the wicket.
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And one of the more cerebral bowlers Pakistan has among its pool of fast bowlers. That he doesn't celebrate like a headless chicken after taking a wicket and takes care of what he eats speaks volumes to me that he is a mature and thinking individual.
 
yasir said:
Not really, in WC2015, they give away 300 against India in MCG. If an SA sid concedes 300+ against an Asian team on bouncy wicket, bowling is not your strength. Similarly in SF, they could not defend 280+ in 40 overs, their bowlers bottled at the end, even they made comical errors in fielding (which is again their strong suite), that was the case in infamous SF, Donald (with all his experience) cannot hold the nerve in last over although while batting, but that was a very choky runout to say the least...Where as our bowling rarely choke, we defend big/small/medium all kind of targets in all kinds of conditions and pressure situations, even when we don't had gun bowlers...They choke as a package ;-)
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In the 1999 World Cup, they dismissed Australia for 213 but the batsmen choked. In the 2011 semifinal, the batting again lost them the semifinal. Yes on occasion their bowlers have let them down (2007, 2015) but largely their bowling have performed relatively better under pressure.

Donald's infamous choke in 1999 had nothing to do with his bowling or batting, he simply froze under pressure at that moment. He bowled superbly that day and took 4 wickets.
 
I would rename this thread as the "best middle overs bowler in the world".

He is one of the top 4 or 5 pacers in the world still. His variation with the old ball and ability to reverse it makes him so good.
 
At a minimum Starc, Rabada and Fizz are superior. Beyond stats even Amir is better as are Umesh and Plunkett.
 
bujhee kom said:
At a minimum Starc, Rabada and Fizz are superior. Beyond stats even Amir is better as are Umesh and Plunkett.
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The Fizz has had a torrid 2017. Yadav is hardly picked. Plunkett is bang average. Amir stats wise is not even close, but that outstanding spell in the CT puts him right up there with the best.
 
bujhee kom said:
Form vs class wrt Fizz.
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Think the Fizz is more like Sohail Tanvir. Once his variations were worked out, he's become quite average. In fact, Tanvir had a longer purple patch than the Fizz. The guy is really struggling with form and injuries. Still the best of a sorry bunch of pacers from Bangladesh, I'll give you that.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hasan Ali is now joint highest wicket-taker in ODIs in 2017. He has 36 wickets, the same number as Rashid Khan & Liam Plunkett <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/920620758199611392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Somebody need to look up some stats. Hasan seems to have a habit of picking up a wicket in his very first over. How often has he done that and where does that rank?
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hasan Ali is now joint highest wicket-taker in ODIs in 2017. He has 36 wickets, the same number as Rashid Khan & Liam Plunkett <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/920620758199611392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Highest now :yk2
 
Hassan Ali is superb. The Pakistani ODI attack is superb.
 
Fastest Pakistani to 50 ODI wickets. Took him 24 matches. Breaks Waqar's record.

4th quickest (joint with Dennis Lillee) overall.
 
what a gem this kid has been. Already such an unstoppable force..all he needs in his armory is the ball that slightly moves away from the right handers and he'll be running through sides.
 
Without a shadow of a doubt. If you don't agree then you are just biased and a mindless hater. :hasan
 
He has the same bowling action as Andy Bichel, just hope he doesn't go down the same route as him.
 
Hasan Ali = Best ODI bowler rite now
Hasan Ali = best ODI bowler of 2017

crossed 50 wickets

in just 24 matches with econ. of 22
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Leading wicket-takers in ODIs in 2017:<br>Hasan Ali - 40 wickets<br>Liam Plunkett - 36 wickets<br>Rashid Khan - 36 wickets<br>Jasprit Bumrah - 29 wickets<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/920663479777939456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Madplayer said:
Its hard to over take starc in ODIs. For me, he single handedly won australia the world cup 2015. Look at his economy rate in that world cup and generally in this day and age. Freakish stuff. Hasan would have to put in monumental performances to overtake him convincingly.
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Aus won because of team effort Smith 100 50 and an un beaten 50 in knockouts. Johnson and hazelwood picked important wicket Starc mostly cleaned up the tail. Starc is sometimes overrated. People glorify aussies because they were superb in the past. Starc hasnt done much in ashez either
 
Currently he is the best ODI bowler in the world. End of discussion.
 
His penchant for taking wickets in bunches is remarkable. Who would have thought this skinny lad would get to 50 wickets so quickly.
 
Very good bowler . . Love his energy and passion!! He has proved himself to be one of the first picks in the Pakistani XI . .

I hope Hasan Ali is thinking how can I improve and become the best in the world across all formats . .

One thing Hasan Ali should start working on now is learning how to bowl with the new ball . . we all know his skills with the old ball . . but I can think of no great bowler who was a "first change" bowler . . If he can become good with the new ball (especially in test cricket), his wickets will start multiplying with his pace and accuracy! . . tahts the next step Hasan should take . .
 
NauV said:
Very good bowler . . Love his energy and passion!! He has proved himself to be one of the first picks in the Pakistani XI . .

I hope Hasan Ali is thinking how can I improve and become the best in the world across all formats . .

One thing Hasan Ali should start working on now is learning how to bowl with the new ball . . we all know his skills with the old ball . . but I can think of no great bowler who was a "first change" bowler . . If he can become good with the new ball (especially in test cricket), his wickets will start multiplying with his pace and accuracy! . . tahts the next step Hasan should take . .
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He actually is very good with the new ball. He showed that in the PSL. He got very nice out-swing on these flat UAE tracks.
 
He will become the best when he stops getting the Waqar treatment and opens with the new ball. Really irritating to see far inferior bowlers opening ahead of him.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
He will become the best when he stops getting the Waqar treatment and opens with the new ball. Really irritating to see far inferior bowlers opening ahead of him.
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certainly needs to happen. not a good sign management wouldn't even consider it when defending a low score such as in the last game.
 
He just keeps getting better.

What a special talent he is.
 
Rayyman said:
Hasan, but Amir is clearly a better bowler for those that don't judge the caliber of a player by looking at stats.
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Trust me, they're very close. Hasan is lethal when the new ball moves around, he doesn't swing it huge like Amir(no one in world cricket does) but he has similar control over it. However, he seams the ball a yard and becomes impossible to play when the pitch has a bit of life.

More than anything, I'm just waiting to see Hasan bowl on a test wicket outside Asia with a new ball.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Trust me, they're very close. Hasan is lethal when the new ball moves around, he doesn't swing it huge like Amir(no one in world cricket does) but he has similar control over it. However, he seams the ball a yard and becomes impossible to play when the pitch has a bit of life.

More than anything, I'm just waiting to see Hasan bowl on a test wicket outside Asia with a new ball.
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Agree with this.

Hasan is coming into his own.

He will be lethal in England next summer.
 
A SR of 23.8. A better SR than Starc now. Absolutely crazy, especially given the fact that Starc was probably the most talented fast bowler I've seen.

He forces wickets even when the batsmen are trying to defend against him in LOIs. That's really special. Hasan doesn't even focus on restricting runs too much either, he bowls such an attacking line that the low economy mainly is due to the fact that so many of their batsmen are getting out/scared of losing their wickets.
 
Rayyman said:
Hasan, but Amir is clearly a better bowler for those that don't judge the caliber of a player by looking at stats.
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Better in what sense?

Interested to see which parallel universe you belong in
 
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brilliant find for Pakistan. His rise started from PSL, I wish the PSL had started a long time ago
 
Rayyman said:
Hasan, but Amir is clearly a better bowler for those that don't judge the caliber of a player by looking at stats.
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I understand the stat argument but it doesn't work in this situation. They were about the same going into the WI series this year but after that, Hasan has gone up and Amir has gone down (ignoring that 1 India spell)

Plus, I'd rather take a bowler who makes an impact than one who looks threatening but never gets a wicket.
 
It's always the players who are the least hyped that go onto become something special. Really genuine down to earth guy who wants to become the best, and I hope he does Insh'Allah.
 
sshakir411 said:
what a gem this kid has been. Already such an unstoppable force..all he needs in his armory is the ball that slightly moves away from the right handers and he'll be running through sides.
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He will become a complete right-hand fast bowler the day he can deliver that ball.
 
Usman Chadda said:
The Fizz has had a torrid 2017. Yadav is hardly picked. Plunkett is bang average. Amir stats wise is not even close, but that outstanding spell in the CT puts him right up there with the best.
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Any left-arm bowler who can swing it into the right-handed batsman at high pace on THAT Oval belter is surely a very special bowler.
 
Madplayer said:
I dont know what you guys are talking about? He already has that ball.
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I don't remember him seaming it away from right-handers. He's always made it move the other way e.g Kusal Mendis dismissal in CT17 and Wayne Parnell dismissal again in CT17.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
I don't remember him seaming it away from right-handers. He's always made it move the other way e.g Kusal Mendis dismissal in CT17 and Wayne Parnell dismissal again in CT17.
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In the same match when he dismissed kusal mendis in CT, he seamed it away from him before bowling him with one that came in. Remember it clearly. But apart from that i have seen him do it in domestic FC many times when he was younger.
 
aloo paratha said:
Better at "challenging both edges of the bat" and "looking threatening"
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Mohammad Amir fans have only figments of imagination, and a few banana swinging deliveries from 2010, along with a couple of deliveries to dismiss Virat Kohli. Save me the partisan babble, I'd rather not be blinded by this bss
 
waleed88 said:
Mohammad Amir fans have only figments of imagination, and a few banana swinging deliveries from 2010, along with a couple of deliveries to dismiss Virat Kohli. Save me the partisan babble, I'd rather not be blinded by this bss
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Amir is a new ball bowler and one of the best in the world. Hasan bowls in the middle overs. Different kind of bowlers.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Amir is a new ball bowler and one of the best in the world. Hasan bowls in the middle overs. Different kind of bowlers.
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His only notable spells have been the one in the 2016 Asia cup match vs India and the CT 17 final, not consistent at all with his new ball bowling.

Starting to see a pattern, he just doesn't give effort in some matches, also could be because of the workload.

We need to save him for top teams and tournaments.
 
CricFan2012 said:
His only notable spells have been the one in the 2016 Asia cup match vs India and the CT 17 final, not consistent at all with his new ball bowling.

Starting to see a pattern, he just doesn't give effort in some matches, also could be because of the workload.

We need to save him for top teams and tournaments.
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He is one of those individuals who steps up when the stage is big like Starc at the WC. But that is not enough despite their infrequent heroics.
 
ManFan said:
He is one of those individuals who steps up when the stage is big like Starc at the WC. But that is not enough despite their infrequent heroics.
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Stark actually has always been consistent outside of the big stage as well.

Hasan Ali is becoming our Stark
 
CricFan2012 said:
Stark actually has always been consistent outside of the big stage as well.

Hasan Ali is becoming our Stark
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Besides Starc's series against SL in SL, he has been average despite his height and pace. He needs to perfect his back-of-a-lenth delivery. Amir needs to pitch it up while Starc is either too short or full.
 
Once again [MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION] bhai shows he was right :)
 
i said a little while back in the pakistan fast bowling lineup Hasan is the daddy and people laughed, i wont say anmore
 
Hassan Ali has overtaken Starc now. The way he has been bowling on the UAE pitches is outstanding.
 
But but but, he’s tad short for a fast bowler... u know what I mean ...
 
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