Hashim Amla fastest to 7,000 ODI runs watch

[Gotham Cronie]

Record is 161 innings by Virat Kohli.

Hashim Amla currently has 6,776 runs from 142 innings.

Should break it with plenty of cushion

 

[Stallion__]

These two have been breaking these records one after another for quite some time.

 

[King Kong]

This is a funny cycle. First, ABD breaks the records of these FASTEST, then Kohli breaks it, only for Amla to trump again later.

 

[Tekcirc]

Amla will easily break Kohli's record here!

 

[Bilal7]

Fastest batsman to 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000 and very shortly, 7000 ODI runs ever.

No surprise either since he contributes nearly 50 runs in each ODI on average. A guy like Dhoni average almost the same as Amla but only contributes 30-odd runs, in comparison.

Sachin and Amla will always be my opening partnership in any ODI all-time XI.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Softest 7000 runs you'll ever see.

 

[Mamoon]

Not more than 1,000 of these runs have been of any use, and I'm being generous.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Fastest batsman to 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000 and very shortly, 7000 ODI runs ever.

No surprise either since he contributes nearly 50 runs in each ODI on average. A guy like Dhoni average almost the same as Amla but only contributes 30-odd runs, in comparison.

Sachin and Amla will always be my opening partnership in any ODI all-time XI.

Amla in an all time ODI 11? Hilarious

 

[Mamoon]

Easily the most overrated ODI batsman of all time, not a patch on Kohli.

Sachin-Gilchrist is my all-time ODI opening pair, but de Kock/Warner can overtake Gilchrist in due time.

 

[Bilal7]

Amla in an all time ODI 11? Hilarious

What's hilarious is you dismissing Amla, who's easily a great ODI batsman. I say easily because he should be an ATG but needs to have a good 2019 WC for that, like Kohli.

 

[Tekcirc]

Fastest batsman to 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000 and very shortly, 7000 ODI runs ever.

No surprise either since he contributes nearly 50 runs in each ODI on average. A guy like Dhoni average almost the same as Amla but only contributes 30-odd runs, in comparison.

Sachin and Amla will always be my opening partnership in any ODI all-time XI.

Amla has accumulated a lots of runs but what he has lacked is impact. Despite all the runs being scored and at a very good SR too, he lacks impact. Case in point, He was hardly considered for T20 teams ever. Based on his stats he should have.

Amla is a typical case of where stats flatter to deceive.

 

[cr7great]

24 hundred in just 142 matches
wow. * *

 

[Tekcirc]

Te real question should be can Amla manage 10k ODI and Test Runs?

 

[Bilal7]

Amla has accumulated a lots of runs but what he has lacked is impact. Despite all the runs being scored and at a very good SR too, he lacks impact. Case in point, He was hardly considered for T20 teams ever. Based on his stats he should have.

Amla is a typical case of where stats flatter to deceive.

When you score 50 runs in each match, on average, at a SR of nearly 100, you have a lot of impact. All but two of his hundreds have come in wins and he averages nearly 70 in ODI wins. I don't even understand your point about T20 teams. Amla isn't the best T20 player and he averages 50 in ODI cricket, not T20s.

Stats usually don't lie and in Amla's case, they sure as Heaven don't.

 

[Bilal7]

24 hundred in just 142 matches
wow. * *
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Also the fastest to 24 ODI tons ever, if I'm not mistaken. Lol, what a legend.

 

[Mamoon]

Biggest choker in ICC history. Not a single hundred against any Test playing nations in World Cups.

 

[Buffet]

Fastest batsman to 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 6000 and very shortly, 7000 ODI runs ever.

No surprise either since he contributes nearly 50 runs in each ODI on average. A guy like Dhoni average almost the same as Amla but only contributes 30-odd runs, in comparison.

Sachin and Amla will always be my opening partnership in any ODI all-time XI.

Hardly a surprise. If you see runs in context then,

Dhoni added 45+ runs on average when batted 5 or higher.

Dhoni added 52+ runs on average when batted 4 or higher.

Dhoni added 60+ runs on average when batted 3 or higher.

Trend is pretty clear. If a same batsman bats higher then he will add more run on average per inning.

 

[Tekcirc]

When you score 50 runs in each match, on average, at a SR of nearly 100, you have a lot of impact. All but two of his hundreds have come in wins and he averages nearly 70 in ODI wins. I don't even understand your point about T20 teams. Amla isn't the best T20 player and he averages 50 in ODI cricket, not T20s.

Stats usually don't lie and in Amla's case, they sure as Heaven don't.

If stats were end of all end, Amla should walk into any T20 team of the world. but he was hardly considered for SA T20. Just pointing that stats can be deceiving. His stats are enviable to say the least, but players with lesser stats are more recognised in ODIs.

I would say he is the equivalent of what Misbah has been to Pakistan. I think that's a close analogy. Amla is several times the batsman Misbah is though dont get it wrong here.

I think the issue is when you think about ABD, Kohli, Root, Warner, Smith, Gayle you instantly think about some of the mind blowing innings they racked up, but for Amla you feel hard pressed to remember one such memorable knock.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Biggest choker in ICC history. Not a single hundred against any Test playing nations in World Cups.

Mohammad Yousuf does not even have a single 50 in a world cup against a test playing nation but wait, he was an amazing ODI batsman?

 

[Mamoon]

Mohammad Yousuf does not even have a single 50 in a world cup against a test playing nation but wait, he was an amazing ODI batsman?

Amazing by Pakistani standards, but he is no ATG either.

 

[Kaiser_Soze]

Why do every thread become an ATG argument ??

 

[Bilal7]

A match-winning 70 against the eventual 2011 winners and a couple of good contributions against West Indies and Pakistan in the 2015 edition falsifies the claim that he is "the biggest choker" in World Cups.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Hardly a surprise. If you see runs in context then,

Dhoni added 45+ runs on average when batted 5 or higher.

Dhoni added 52+ runs on average when batted 4 or higher.

Dhoni added 60+ runs on average when batted 3 or higher.

Trend is pretty clear. If a same batsman bats higher then he will add more run on average per inning.

Still just 2 centuries in 62 innings when batted in the top 5 outside India. One of them came against Hong Kong and another one came against Bangladesh.

Dhoni is a very good batsman just in India and that is it.

 

[Mamoon]

Standards are low when a rubbish 65 at a SR of 70 on a 400 pitch vs the WI and a match-losing 30 odd vs Pakistan which initiated a collapse is considered as proof that he is not a choker.

 

[Bilal7]

Standards are not lower than the class of some people who know that Amla has a super, match-winning 70 against India in 2011, and a few other contributions and centuries in World Cup yet call Amla "the biggest choker in ICC history". Trump-esque alternate facts. Sad!

 

[Hasan123]

When you score 50 runs in each match, on average, at a SR of nearly 100, you have a lot of impact. All but two of his hundreds have come in wins and he averages nearly 70 in ODI wins. I don't even understand your point about T20 teams. Amla isn't the best T20 player and he averages 50 in ODI cricket, not T20s.

Stats usually don't lie and in Amla's case, they sure as Heaven don't.

He has one century vs Australia, 10 out of the 24 centuries have come against West indies, Netherlands, Ireland ,and Zimbabwe.
Kohli is bashed by you for not scoring vs the best attacks Amla is guilty of the same . I haven't included the centuries he has vs sri Lanka.

Having amla in all time 11 for odis is an absolute joke. You must be extremely biased to consider Amla in an all time 11.

Jaysuriya
Gilchrist
Grenidge
Lara as an opener

These names are all better than Amla as an opener. Lol I don't think you will find many people who will put Amla in an all time odi 11. That just says it all.

 

[Hasan123]

Lol I didn't even mention how bad he is in icc tournaments. So there is more than enough of to show Amla isn't an atg in LO

 

[The_Odd_One]

Don't believe in world cup performance as the only measure to judge a batsman.

If that was the case, then there is no point of ICC rankings.

Amla is not a clutch batsman in ODIs but among openers, only Tendulkar and may be Dilshan has comparable stats. The rest are far behind these 3.

 

[Tekcirc]

Standards are low when a rubbish 65 at a SR of 70 on a 400 pitch vs the WI and a match-losing 30 odd vs Pakistan which initiated a collapse is considered as proof that he is not a choker.

You seem pretty harsh on Amla. Sarcasm or some personal vendetta?

 

[Ab Fan]

Mohammad Yousuf does not even have a single 50 in a world cup against a test playing nation but wait, he was an amazing ODI batsman?

And lots of soft runs in tests too not to forget struggle in various conditions and against top quality attacks.

I will take Amla and de villiers both over Mohammad Yousuf in both odis and tests.

 

[Mamoon]

'few other contributions' = sluggish cameos and match-losing 20s and 30s.

'centuries in World Cups' = Netherlands and Ireland

As I said, some people are desperately trying to prove that Amla is not a Limited Overs choker but the evidence is there for everyone to see.

He simply cannot handle the pressure of ICC tournaments. Be it World Cup, Champions Trophy or the World T20.

 

[Mamoon]

And lots of soft runs in tests too not to forget struggle in various conditions and against top quality attacks.

I will take Amla and de villiers both over Mohammad Yousuf in both odis and tests.

de Villiers is a far better batsman than MoYo in all formats and Amla is far better than MoYo in Tests. In ODIs, he is better but not by a landslide.

 

[Hasan123]

Mohammad Yousuf does not even have a single 50 in a world cup against a test playing nation but wait, he was an amazing ODI batsman?

No one has ever said he is an amazing odi batsmen

 

[Bilal7]

Hardly a surprise. If you see runs in context then,

Dhoni added 45+ runs on average when batted 5 or higher.

Dhoni added 52+ runs on average when batted 4 or higher.

Dhoni added 60+ runs on average when batted 3 or higher.

Trend is pretty clear. If a same batsman bats higher then he will add more run on average per inning.

Which still doesn't explain why Amla contributes more runs per innings than any other opener in history. That was my point, nothing to do with Dhoni.

If stats were end of all end, Amla should walk into any T20 team of the world. but he was hardly considered for SA T20. Just pointing that stats can be deceiving. His stats are enviable to say the least, but players with lesser stats are more recognised in ODIs.

I would say he is the equivalent of what Misbah has been to Pakistan. I think that's a close analogy. Amla is several times the batsman Misbah is though dont get it wrong here.

I think the issue is when you think about ABD, Kohli, Root, Warner, Smith, Gayle you instantly think about some of the mind blowing innings they racked up, but for Amla you feel hard pressed to remember one such memorable knock.

That makes zero sense. I repeat, Amla's greatness doesn't extent to T20s. ODIs and T20s are different formats. If there was an ODI league going on, Amla would be one of the first picks.

Shahid Afridi is the most popular player among the Pakistani masses. Just because someone is popular doesn't mean that they are actually any good. If you've seen any amount of Amla's batting, you would know that he is a legendary ODI batter.

 

[Mamoon]

You seem pretty harsh on Amla. Sarcasm or some personal vendetta?

I think he is massively overrated in Limited Overs. Brilliant Test batsman though. Some people are hell-bent on proving him as an ATG in ODIs which is strictly not true, and I don't want to go there and derail the thread, but the same folks support him mainly for off-field factors, to the point that they hope that Amla scores runs against Pakistan (but SA lose) so that his average is not disturbed.

 

[Hasan123]

And lots of soft runs in tests too not to forget struggle in various conditions and against top quality attacks.

I will take Amla and de villiers both over Mohammad Yousuf in both odis and tests.

Why is Moyo being brought into this debate? We know AB and Amla are better players than Moyo.

 

[Bilal7]

Amla averaged 40 at a SR of 130+ in the last WT20. Played a blistering innings against England. Some people are getting flayed by numbers here.

 

[Ab Fan]

Having said all, Amla has definitely been a big underperformer in big tournaments.You expect openers to hit atleast one hundred vs test playing nations in WCs.

Gibbs has got two hundreds in WC, one vs NZ and one vs Aus apart from his unforgettable 6 sixes of 6 balls vs Netherland.

 

[The_Odd_One]

He has one century vs Australia, 10 out of the 24 centuries have come against West indies, Netherlands, Ireland ,and Zimbabwe.
Kohli is bashed by you for not scoring vs the best attacks Amla is guilty of the same . I haven't included the centuries he has vs sri Lanka.

Having amla in all time 11 for odis is an absolute joke. You must be extremely biased to consider Amla in an all time 11.

Jaysuriya
Gilchrist
Grenidge
Lara as an opener

These names are all better than Amla as an opener. Lol I don't think you will find many people who will put Amla in an all time odi 11. That just says it all.

Even, if you take only top 6 ODI teams (excluding WI, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, and associates), he still averages 46@86 SR. Even then, he has 13 100s and 23 50s in just 103 innings which is still a phenomenal record for an opener.

How many batman will average 45+ if you take into account only the top 6 ODI teams?

 

[The_Odd_One]

No one has ever said he is an amazing odi batsmen

You need to revisit some old threads before speaking for others.

 

[Hasan123]

Even, if you take only top 6 ODI teams (excluding WI, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, and associates), he still averages 46@86 SR. Even then, he has 13 100s and 23 50s in just 103 innings which is still a phenomenal record for an opener.

How many batman will average 45+ if you take into account only the top 6 ODI teams?

Good record no doubt. Just think he lacks impact in odis. The fact no one would have him in an odi 11 tells you how highly he is rated in this format.

Also even though this is no fault of Amla's, he's playing in an error of flat pitches and vs inferior bowlers. This is something which is used against Kohli by the poster who is championing him as an atg so it should be used against Amla if that's how he judges players.

 

[Tekcirc]

I think he is massively overrated in Limited Overs. Brilliant Test batsman though. Some people are hell-bent on proving him as an ATG in ODIs which is strictly not true, and I don't want to go there and derail the thread, but the same folks support him mainly for off-field factors, to the point that they hope that Amla scores runs against Pakistan (but SA lose) so that his average is not disturbed.

I agree with the part that he won't be part of All time XI of ODIs, wont even make it as substitute. But his stats are still mind boggling. He is an accumulator like Chanderpaul, who had lots and lots of runs with impact far less than the stats would suggest. But your description seems particularly harsh. Just saying, you are of course entitled to your opinion.

As for the beard love on this site, I can understand the distaste for the misguided concept of brotherhood.

 

[Hasan123]

You need to revisit some old threads before speaking for others.

I'm on about in this thread. A majority rate him fairly. Don't judge off 1 or 2 people's opnion

 

[CricFan2012]

Overrated

 

[Mamoon]

The average of 40 was inflated by his dead rubber 50 vs SL.

He scored a 50 vs England but it was an inconsequential innings because his SR was the lowest among all batsmen who spend a considerable time at the crease, on a pitch which was 200+.

Root in response showed him how it is done with a match-winning 83. Two years prior to that, he failed in the semifinal vs India and didn't do anything of note throughout the tournament.

Some people are just swayed by blind love.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Good record no doubt. Just think he lacks impact in odis. The fact no one would have him in an odi 11 tells you how highly he is rated in this format.

Also even though this is no fault of Amla's, he's playing in an error of flat pitches and vs inferior bowlers. This is something which is used against Kohli by the poster who is championing him as an atg so it should be used against Amla if that's how he judges players.

Selection in teams is highly subjective. Warne did not select Steve Waugh, McCallum selected Southee, etc. Can't judge a player based on how many time was he selected in teams.

Flat pitches is a useless excuse. Then, nobody in the modern era should be rated as they all score runs on flat pitches, be it Amla or Kohli or Smith or Root.

If performance in world cups is the only important thing, then ICC should simply abolish ODI rankings. Just publish a 4 years long ranking based on previous world cup performance.

 

[Mamoon]

Not even in the top 5 ODI openers of all time, and barely makes the top 10.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Note that I won't pick Amla in my all time ODI XI. My 2 openers would be Tendulkar and Jayasuriya. This said, Amla is a still a very good ODI opener and I will not ridicule anyone if they select him in their ODI XI.

 

[soso_killer]

A very good player along with AB and QdK who are capable of winning matches away from home against good sides in their backyard.

These are the leading performers away from home against the home opposition in Aus, Eng, NZ and SA.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...5;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Puts into perspective the impact he's had on the game. However he needs to stand and be counted at ICC events if he is to be a great of the game. This is where AB is ahead of his contemporaries.

 

[Buffet]

Still just 2 centuries in 62 innings when batted in the top 5 outside India. One of them came against Hong Kong and another one came against Bangladesh.

Dhoni is a very good batsman just in India and that is it.

Dhoni has 2500+ runs outside of India at avg of 54 and SR of 88 when he batted 5 or above. Why not make a list of all batsmen with these kind of criterion and see where they stand?

If you genuinely think that Dhoni is not good outside of India then here is entire list of batsmen outside of home to make a apple to apple comparison.

Here are all batsmen in entire history who batted 5 and above( Dhoni didn't bat much above 5 , but let's take everyone even if they batted 4,3 or so on...)



If you think only ton matters then we can pull a list of batsmen who batted at 5 and see how many have 5+ tons at position 5. If some one is batting at 1-2-3 then they will have lots of tons but that simply a function of batting higher up.

Dhoni is surely better in Asian conditions, no doubt about it, but his stats would have been inflated if he had batted higher up when it comes to runs/tons. It's a simple logic.

 

[soso_killer]

Note that I won't pick Amla in my all time ODI XI. My 2 openers would be Tendulkar and Jayasuriya. This said, Amla is a still a very good ODI opener and I will not ridicule anyone if they select him in their ODI XI.

That's the thing, there's no such thing as a uniform XI in ODI's as in Tests.
Tendulkar and Jaya were miserable in SA why would they make my starting XI especially for these conditions?
Tendulkar didn't do much in countries like SA, NZ, ENG & AUS.

So if @Bial feels like Amla makes it into his greatest XI that should be the end of it. In return if Amla doesn't make your starting XI (or any other users) it's your prerogative. It's personal opinions and preferences at the end of the day. Opinions should never be shoved down throats.

 

[soso_killer]

Are pitches the same around the world?

 

[Buffet]

Which still doesn't explain why Amla contributes more runs per innings than any other opener in history. That was my point, nothing to do with Dhoni.

Then it will be fair to pick batsmen who bat higher up to make the point.

Amla is a very good player who can score runs without getting noticed. He lacks power game to up the scoring rate at times, but 90(100) runs helps SA a lot. Criticism of Amla is a bit too much here. Everyone is not at level of AB, Kohli etc in ODI. That doesn't mean that runs at good rate are useless. Amla does need to perform in WC . Last WC was disappointing specially when he was scoring runs for fun just before the WC.

Amla is a very good ODI batsman. Below the likes of AB , Kohli etc, but then pretty much everyone is below them.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Dhoni has 2500+ runs outside of India at avg of 54 and SR of 88 when he batted 5 or above. Why not make a list of all batsmen with these kind of criterion and see where they stand?

If you genuinely think that Dhoni is not good outside of India then here is entire list of batsmen outside of home to make a apple to apple comparison.

Here are all batsmen in entire history who batted 5 and above( Dhoni didn't bat much above 5 , but let's take everyone even if they batted 4,3 or so on...)

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If you think only ton matters then we can pull a list of batsmen who batted at 5 and see how many have 5+ tons at position 5. If some one is batting at 1-2-3 then they will have lots of tons but that simply a function of batting higher up.

Dhoni is surely better in Asian conditions, no doubt about it, but his stats would have been inflated if he had batted higher up when it comes to runs/tons. It's a simple logic.

I was not talking about centuries at 5 only. Dhoni has just 2 centuries outside home in over 60 innings when he batted between 1 and 5.

Dhoni is not even in the top 30 ODIs players with most man of the match awards and I am sure the number will be even lower if consider games outside India only.

 

[JaDed]

Are pitches the same around the world?

No its dependent on touring teams,flat for India.

 

[spade]

Amazing!!! Have always admired a guy who is so unassuming and reticent yet a champion player, goes on to show you don't have to scream, hurl abuses and sledge to become a good player. Not always does Sachin appreciate a player, Amla was always rated highly by him. Hard to find dignified players in today's day and age, he certainly is a role model for all upcoming cricketers.

 

[JaDed]

Doesn't matter soft or not,7000 runs is a lot that too in 142,congrats to the man,don't let his fans blind you,he is a top opener.

 

[Buffet]

I was not talking about centuries at 5 only. Dhoni has just 2 centuries outside home in over 60 innings when he batted between 1 and 5.

If you are not talking about batting position of 5 then care to point out how many innings he has batted 1-4 outside of home?

 

[soso_killer]

No its dependent on touring teams,flat for India.

I don't follow......

 

[Smbhayi]

an impact player does need other guys to hold other end to have any impact. and that's the impact of players like Amla & Dravid, giving solid support to them. India would have lose more games in 2000s if Dravid wasn't there.
look at this list Amla has 25+ 100 partnership (and six of them were 200+)and you guys says he lacks impact?
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283504.html

 

[JaDed]

Amazing!!! Have always admired a guy who is so unassuming and reticent yet a champion player, goes on to show you don't have to scream, hurl abuses and sledge to become a good player. Not always does Sachin appreciate a player, Amla was always rated highly by him. Hard to find dignified players in today's day and age, he certainly is a role model for all upcoming cricketers.

Nothing wrong in screaming either not everyone has to be a Dravid or Amla or Sachin. Till its within the laws of the game its all good what matters is performance and giving their best.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

You can't say Amla lacked impact in bilaterals. He has been very impactful in bilaterals even if he doesn't have those amazing standout knocks.

Its the ICC tourneys and pressure situations where Amla goes missing.

 

[The_Odd_One]

If you are not talking about batting position of 5 then care to point out how many innings he has batted 1-4 outside of home?

25 innings but why are you either considering only #5 or #1-4? Why not take the whole #1 to #5 which is a normal top/middle order? Plenty of batsmen have hit more 100s than Dhoni from those batting positions as evident in your own chart.

 

[soso_killer]

if conditions were the same why hasn't the likes of India been winning in countries like SA and Australia, whereas SA & Aus have been winning in India?
I remember India's last tour to SA as well, SA was racking up 300's while it looked as if India had never played a cricket match. What's the story regarding pitches? Are they the same or not?
I would even appreciate those long analytical psychobabble kind of posts that I dread.

 

[spade]

Nothing wrong in screaming either not everyone has to be a Dravid or Amla or Sachin. Till its within the laws of the game its all good what matters is performance and giving their best.

No harm at all but young kids out there are very impressionable, some want to take up the sport others in general hold these players in high esteem if we allow these sort of behaviour to proliferate, i guess i will just say, its wrong.

 

[soso_killer]

If you are not talking about batting position of 5 then care to point out how many innings he has batted 1-4 outside of home?

He's talking about the top 5 as a whole.
That doesn't make a good reading. In return he has also been ordinary at ICC events which Amla gets a lot of flack (rightly so). But a little bit of consistency would be nice.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Amla is a great batsman.

You don't make almost 7000 runs at a great average and great strike rate without being a great talent.

The World Cup argument is pretty ordinary. He played in two World Cups. It's not like he played 5 or something and struggled in all of them. Messi and Ronaldo also struggled in World Cups, but still considered all time greats.

However I still believe the likes of Kohli, Ab Devilliers, Warner and De Kock are bigger match winners.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Are we discussing a World Cup XI here?

 

[abhayjj]

Amla and kohli must be careful as Babar Azam is fast catching up

 

[Buffet]

25 innings but why are you either considering only #5 or #1-4? Why not take the whole #1 to #5 which is a normal top/middle order? Plenty of batsmen have hit more 100s than Dhoni from those batting positions as evident in your own chart.

There is a huge difference in batting position of 1-3, 4 and 5 when it comes to getting an opportunity to score a ton within 50 overs. Bracketing 1-5 is unfair. Openers get to play for 50 overs in all games and have best chance to score ton. 3rd position still get enough overs in most games, but as you start going down opportunity of ton decreases drastically. Remember, we are talking about maximum of 50 overs. How many times number 5 will get 40 overs to bat? How many times position 3 will get 40 overs to bat? Huge difference here.

Tons are not meaningful in ODI if you are batting lower.

 

[Buffet]

He's talking about the top 5 as a whole.

Which is meaningless when you are talking about 50 overs of game. Openers always get full 50 overs to bat. Some one at 5 will never get 50 overs and rarely get even 30 overs to bat. Comparing number of tons with batting position 1-2, 3, 4 & 5 as a block is meaningless. It's fair to see how many tons 1-2 or 3 positions got. or How many batting at 4 got or how many batting at 5 got. Dhoni has flaws in his record, but this ton argument is lame for some one who batted 20 odd times in 1-4.

 

[soso_killer]

Which is meaningless when you are talking about 50 overs of game. Openers always get full 50 overs to bat. Some one at 5 will never get 50 overs and rarely get even 30 overs to bat. Comparing number of tons with batting position 1-2, 3, 4 & 5 as a block is meaningless. It's fair to see how many tons 1-2 or 3 positions got. or How many batting at 4 got or how many batting at 5 got. Dhoni has flaws in his record, but this ton argument is lame for some one who batted 20 odd times in 1-4.

But a guy like AB has tons there. The argument has been that he should bat up the order, score runs, be a finisher, score hundreds and peform in WC's as well. Dhoni has barely done any of that. He's been ordinary at ICC events, hasn't won a series/or match with the bat in SA or Australia. But supposedly he's an ATG already.
Why are there different parameters for rating players?
Dhoni isnt the exception too,Kohli is already the greatest at something too. So whats the criteria for a great player? Fandom?

 

[Stallion__]

He has been a very effective batsman in bilateral series and have won South Africa quite a few of them. Would be irrational to say that he lack impact altogether.

But with the paucity of multi-team tournaments these days, it becomes imperative for players to perform in ICC tournaments to get that ATG tag which Amla haven't done yet.

Btw, Amla threads catch the fire quite rapidly

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Don't really get the fuss about 'impact runs' and icc tournament runs and other fancy terms. The guy is asked to do a job and he does that without fuss and continues to help his team win matches. He plays in a team that has qdk, faf, ab, miller, duminy and they thrive on getting a strike after 30 overs so that they can go full metal crazy.

RSA I think is the second or first most successful team in terms of winning percentage in history and he has played an important role in having that overall win percentage. I'm sick and tired of openers like hafeez, shehzad, and azhar etc and would want an amla like player for Pakistan team in a heartbeat.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Amla is a great batsman, he's just crushing it.

He definitely is a SA great and probably the greatest ODI opener from SA and if he stays on till 2019, has a good chance to make it to the ATG list as well. Amla is an accumulator, so obviously he wont get you those flashy 100s and neither does he (often) have to chase down big totals thanks to SA bowling attack.

I guess people are more biased to players who get you wins from difficult situations and also can hit at will. I would put Amla and Kohli at level atm. However on potential Kohli has a lot more to offer (hopefully) and may end up higher.

AB well - that guy is just nuts. He's the best, period.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

People are way too harsh on Amla. Sure he's not a clutch player like Kohli or destructive as ABD, but he scores run consistently and contributes to team's wins. Amla might not be an ATG but he's a team player and provides great support. Probably the best support player in ODIs. If he could shift gears and not choke then he would easily be an ATG. It's very unfair to compare everyone with ABD and Kohli. Nobody rates Amla in their top 5 best ODI batsmen list, why all the downplay?

 

[Bilal7]

Amla is a great batsman, he's just crushing it.

He definitely is a SA great and probably the greatest ODI opener from SA and if he stays on till 2019, has a good chance to make it to the ATG list as well. Amla is an accumulator, so obviously he wont get you those flashy 100s and neither does he (often) have to chase down big totals thanks to SA bowling attack.

I guess people are more biased to players who get you wins from difficult situations and also can hit at will. I would put Amla and Kohli at level atm. However on potential Kohli has a lot more to offer (hopefully) and may end up higher.

AB well - that guy is just nuts. He's the best, period.

Will reply to the rest of the comment later but I agree completely with what you said. Amla has his game and he's the best at it, just like someone like Kohli has his game and he's the best at it. Ditto with Dhoni, Warner, etc.

ABD is the clear cut winner from this generation though. Amla, Kohli and Dhoni are the three ATG ODI bats from this generation (if not yet, then in the future) but ABD is a contender for GOAT. He stands on his own pedestal.

 

[Bilal7]

People putting Kohli alongside AB need to get real. I'm an Amla fan but I admit that de Villiers is easily the better player. Kohli fans need to be honest and do the same.

 

[Chrish]

Good enough to make my 3rd OdI xi

 

[Sin Nombre]

if conditions were the same why hasn't the likes of India been winning in countries like SA and Australia, whereas SA & Aus have been winning in India?
I remember India's last tour to SA as well, SA was racking up 300's while it looked as if India had never played a cricket match. What's the story regarding pitches? Are they the same or not?
I would even appreciate those long analytical psychobabble kind of posts that I dread.

Last World Cup in SA

India world cup finalists.
South Africa knocked out in group stages


Last World Cup in Aus

India group winners, losing semifinalists.
India beat South Africa by 130 runs.


Last ICC tournament in England

India winners.
India beat South Africa by 26 runs.



South Africa care about success in bilaterals in ODIs. Well done to your lot if you care about that.


India and Australia care about success in ICC competitions. Not everyone can be a jamodi champion.