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Hashim Amla's Test average drops below 50

Leo23

Leo23

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1,067
home average: 49.69

away average: 49.51

overall: 49.60

i am huge fan and i consider him the best batting legend of this era after kohli but will he be considered among the greats if he retires with a test average of below 50?

kohli averages 49 too but he still has probably 7-8 years left but amla is close to retiring and is not the player he once was. retiring with an average of 50+ will be difficult for him now

all the great test batsmen average 50+
 
It's been a while since it's below 50. It was almost below 49 before this recently concluded test.
 
His average has been below 50 since late last year.

Batting in the top 3 in South Africa is a tough task.
 
another important point to look at is that his average used to be below 50 till 2012 as well so looks he averaging 50+ has been a big challenge for him which is very surprising for a batsman of his caliber.

the likes of root smith etc have spent almost their entire careers so far with a 50 average and it has been easily maintained by them
 
Leo23 said:
away average of below 50 as well.
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Lara and Ponting averaged below 50 outside their home countries as well.

I think Amla will be rated amongst the greats by those who have seen him play. He's easily one of the best batsmen against lateral movement and has performed in all countries, against pacers as well as spinners.

What goes against him is lack of longevity.
 
he is a Hussey type player

Great peak sandwiched by decent output

However hussey was unlucky that a lot of his peak was wasted in shield and county
 
He's basically a Mini Ponting. Outrageous purple patch in between with mediocrity on both sides. But unlike Ponting he definitely isn't an ATG, one of this era's greats? Sure. ATG? Nope.
 
He will cover up very soon. Last one year or so has been kinda avg for him which happens with any batsman. He is too good a player not to finish with avg over 50 by the time he hangs up his boot. This last test he looked quite determined and did put up two decent innings. The start was a little stuttering but by the end of the test he has started looking his usual self, 'hungry for runs'.
May be a double hundred is on the way against his favourite team :).
 
Not an ATG for me. His chokes in LO are well known. In tests he has had a brilliant purple patch but when South Africa have needed him to step up after Smith and Kallis retirements he has declined and failed to step up.

A South African great and nothing more.
 
He's the best test batsman of his generation and certainly the best player of lateral movement be it spin or pace. If he manages another purple patch, he'll retire as an ATG. Rooting for him because he deserves it.
 
Champion player. Best player of swing after Dravid.
The reason his avg is not good as others is because his home is SA and unlike others he doesnt get enough chances to score daddy hundreds at home. Same with Kane Williamson who also plays for a weak batting side.
 
Slog said:
he is a Hussey type player

Great peak sandwiched by decent output

However hussey was unlucky that a lot of his peak was wasted in shield and county
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Lol wut

Yes he hasn't been prolific enough to be counted as an ATG but for a good 5-6 years he was the best in Tests along with Sanga and had no weaknesses home or away, swinging, seaming, bouncy or spinning conditions.

Definitely a great Test batsman and far ahead of Hussey who had several deficient areas in Tests and didn't play enough to warrant a worthy comparison.
 
He still has chance to get to 50 average . I hope he gets there , he is good enough batsmen to do so.
 
Amla has been in decline, but he was pretty much the best batsman in the test format for many years.
 
Leo23 said:
home average: 49.69

away average: 49.51

overall: 49.60

i am huge fan and i consider him the best batting legend of this era after kohli but will he be considered among the greats if he retires with a test average of below 50?

kohli averages 49 too but he still has probably 7-8 years left but amla is close to retiring and is not the player he once was. retiring with an average of 50+ will be difficult for him now

all the great test batsmen average 50+
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After Virat Kohli!! man he batted much tougher situations what Virat can't even dream of.
 
Amla got pretty lucky this Test actually don't think he's out of the woods just yet. He was dropped early on in the first innings and then was caught behind early in the second but ump didn't give it and Eng didn't review. Only time will tell whether he can get back to where he was a couple of years back.
 
KingKhanWC said:
I think you're being dramatic. Wasnt he the highest scorer for both innings in the last test match?
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he is a class player so he will still produce big knocks from time to time but if you look at his performance over the last 2 yrs you can see that he is not the same player any more. he fails far too often these days
 
Leo23 said:
he is a class player so he will still produce big knocks from time to time but if you look at his performance over the last 2 yrs you can see that he is not the same player any more. he fails far too often these days
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I see little difference in his technique and temperament. For me the issue is SA openers, they are not as settled as before. He has been coming in early and getting very good deliveries from the new ball. Im not trying to make excuses for him but the batting line up throughout has been less settled with more pressure on Amla.

He is one of the few batsmen who can play at no.3 in ANY world conditions. I think if he continues to have the hunger he will play for another couple of years and score many hundreds. His average even around 49 or 51 wont make much difference to his standing as a great batsmen.

Kohli, Wiliamson, Smith are known as the peoples best no.3 but I would put Amla on par with them too even today.
 
Amla isn't even a great of this generation.. just a little purple patch of 3-4 years with so much mediocrity on both sides.. overrated as heck..
 
Abdullah719 said:
His average has been below 50 since late last year.

Batting in the top 3 in South Africa is a tough task.
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I dont get that logic , its their home infact SA players and to an extent English batsmen are at a massive advantage cos they are grow up in tough batting conditions . They never really have to adapt ?
Compare that to a SC batsmen whos brought up on pitches with no bounce or swing and is expected to land in SA/Eng learn everything about bounce and swing in one practice match if hes lucky and is expected to average 50+ ? even if he does we are reluctant to give him the credit he deserves ?

SA has produced as many ~50 avg batsmen as any other top team , unless you think all Saffers are super humans clearly a SA batsmen scoring in SA conditions shouldn't really be made a big deal !!
 
Absolutely, that's because he is a very good batsman / a legend in his own country only, and not in the all-time greats of cricket bracket.

Amla belongs in the former bracket alongside the likes of Laxman and KP (average below 50 but above 45); the 50+ club is reserved for genuine ATGs such as Tendulkar, Ponting, Dravid, Lara, Sangakkara etc.
 
jusarrived said:
I dont get that logic , its their home infact SA players and to an extent English batsmen are at a massive advantage cos they are grow up in tough batting conditions . They never really have to adapt ?
Compare that to a SC batsmen whos brought up on pitches with no bounce or swing and is expected to land in SA/Eng learn everything about bounce and swing in one practice match if hes lucky and is expected to average 50+ ? even if he does we are reluctant to give him the credit he deserves ?

SA has produced as many ~50 avg batsmen as any other top team , unless you think all Saffers are super humans clearly a SA batsmen scoring in SA conditions shouldn't really be made a big deal !!
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I meant that batting in the top 3 is comparatively harder in South Africa than other countries.

The numbers support that. Out of batsmen who have batted for 10+ matches in the top 3, only 3 have managed an average greater than 50. Bruce Mitchell several decades ago 51, Ponting 51, Amla 50.5.

Apply the same criteria to any other country and you'll see that batsmen have it easier. This isn't just an opinion, it's statistics.

It's no coincidence that most South African batsman who have batted in the top order have superior averages away from home. This applies to Smith, Kirsten, Gibbs, Kallis and Amla.
 
mayankp.sverige said:
Younis Khan is better than him , younis has better average
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Actually no.YK benefitted a lot because of not touring Eng SA Aus NZ much.Infact if i remember correctly there was a 7-8 yr period where YK didnt play any series outside Asia bar one.

So in tests Amla and YK are quite equal.But overall Amla us better as he is a much better Odi player.
 
James said:
Absolutely, that's because he is a very good batsman / a legend in his own country only, and not in the all-time greats of cricket bracket.

Amla belongs in the former bracket alongside the likes of Laxman and KP (average below 50 but above 45); the 50+ club is reserved for genuine ATGs such as Tendulkar, Ponting, Dravid, Lara, Sangakkara etc.
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The 50 plus isnt a grade for ATGs anymore or the likes of MoYo YK Hussey et al will be considered ATGs.
 
Can Hashim Amla play an epic innings today?
 
It is unlikely for Amla to take his avg to 50. He will probably end up at 47.xx.

A great test batsmen but not ATG, just like Cook. One of those players who was highly instrumental in SA away wins.

I think it would be fair to say that from his era, only ABDV is an ATG across formats.
 
Ab Fan said:
It is unlikely for Amla to take his avg to 50. He will probably end up at 47.xx.

A great test batsmen but not ATG, just like Cook. One of those players who was highly instrumental in SA away wins.

I think it would be fair to say that from his era, only ABDV is an ATG across formats.
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Agreed.
 
In current form it will be difficult for ageing Amla :amla to catch-up, better should retire before it drops further !
 
No chance of getting close to 50 again

He is not the same player anymore, ruining his legacy. At the end you peak won't be counted but overall career stats will be used for comparison.
 
shah_1 said:
No chance of getting close to 50 again

He is not the same player anymore, ruining his legacy. At the end you peak won't be counted but overall career stats will be used for comparison.
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He's not batting for his average but for his team. Just like Dravid. Sachin, Ponting, and Dravid used to average in the high 50s before they got old and ended up with low 50s.
 
But getting out to Lyon in SA is horrible. Should have taken it to him
 
Fire Bird said:
He's not batting for his average but for his team. Just like Dravid. Sachin, Ponting, and Dravid used to average in the high 50s before they got old and ended up with low 50s.
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Still didn't average 48
 
I'm a big fan of Hash and I admit he has definitely past it. I'd still have believed he will back stronger had he got out for some ducks but the worst thing is that even after getting starts he is no longer able to convert them into big scores. This is impacting his legacy. He won't retire right now though, would probably want to stick around for another year.

His stint with Hampshire and the Sri Lanka series will be very important for him.
 
shah_1 said:
Still didn't average 48
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Could be because of tougher home conditions and him batting at 3. He is 35 now can't believe time flies. He maybe on his way out and maybe its time to blood a new guy
 
He's done.

As I said he can thank nostalgia and quotas for continued selections
 
Averages 37 with the bat in the last 3 years. Well past it. But SA may not have better replacements so he probably is still there on merit.
 
Hussey also started great. Trott started great. Inzamam/Sehwag also finished just below 50.
 
I fee bad for Amla. He's totally lost it. He should retire now. Not even a borderline ATG anymore.
 
For most of their careers, Amla and Sanga were the same class. But then the final 10% of their careers happened, and this is what will define their legacy. Amla needs to retire a great asap before he ruins it even further.
 
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BlackShadow said:
For most of their careers, Amla and Sanga were the same class. But then the final 10% of their careers happened, and this is what will define their legacy. Amla needs to retire a great asap before he ruins it even further.
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Amla will always be a great. However his ATG status will be under fire now. No ATG has gone through such a long lean patch. Amla has failed the test of longevity.
 
Amla will be Bradman 2.0 with retiring at an average of 49.99 Inshallah after a couple of not-outs centuries.
 
Why should he retire? yes, he is not what he used to be, but he does still score 50's and is still very useful for South Africa and still contributes good scores
 
I think the Lanka tour will be his last, he looks done and dusted. Maybe he'll go during the home season and go after the WC.

Best player of his generation though.
 
soso_killer said:
I think the Lanka tour will be his last, he looks done and dusted. Maybe he'll go during the home season and go after the WC.

Best player of his generation though.
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With due respect, ABD is the best batsman who debuted in mid 2000s.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
With due respect, ABD is the best batsman who debuted in mid 2000s.
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Talent wise, yes. Impact?
Not even close, G. Smith and Amla were far more influential. I don't rate players on aesthetics, but impact. AB was easily our fourth best player for long stretches after Kallis, Smith and Amla.
 
soso_killer said:
Talent wise, yes. Impact?
Not even close, G. Smith and Amla were far more influential. I don't rate players on aesthetics, but impact. AB was easily our fourth best player for long stretches after Kallis, Smith and Amla.
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I was talking across the formats
 
There is some problem with the mental aspect of his game. He regularly gets starts then throws it away.
 
How do you rate Hashim Amla in Test cricket?

How does he stack up against Smith and Kohli in tests?

Discuss!
 
2015 series in India - Avg 16.8
2016 series in Australia - Avg 19.6
2017 series in New Zealand - Avg 30.6
2018 home series vs Australia - Avg 24.5

He has declined way too much since 2015. His peak was just 5 years(2010-2014).

A South African great.
 
Hash is having a pretty good county season for Hampshire currently. A couple of centuries and 4-5 fifties so far.
 
Averages 48.03 in tests now. Cook having a low average can be excused for being an opener in test. Amla has no excuse. Should retire immediately to open up a now no.3 batsman to groom. If he continues, he will soon be contending Cook for the 2nd worst test batsman to complete 10k runs (Mahela is the worst).
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Averages 48.03 in tests now. Cook having a low average can be excused for being an opener in test. Amla has no excuse. Should retire immediately to open up a now no.3 batsman to groom. If he continues, he will soon be contending Cook for the 2nd worst test batsman to complete 10k runs (Mahela is the worst).
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Your criteria appears to be Test average. Mahela's Test average is 49.84, while Cook's is 45.65 (okay, we can cut him some slack as he is an opener) and Amla's is currently at 48.03. If Amla does complete 10K runs with an average less than 49.84, then either Cook or Amla must be considered to be the worst as Amla is not an opener. It cannot be Mahela anymore.
 
Napa said:
Your criteria appears to be Test average. Mahela's Test average is 49.84, while Cook's is 45.65 (okay, we can cut him some slack as he is an opener) and Amla's is currently at 48.03. If Amla does complete 10K runs with an average less than 49.84, then either Cook or Amla must be considered to be the worst as Amla is not an opener. It cannot be Mahela anymore.
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Amla used to get brownie points for not being a home bully ulike Mahela (most members value overseas average much higher than home, which is fair). However Amla's overall average is getting so low he won't even be borderline ATG by the time he reaches 10k runs. Also some defend Amla by saying that he scored better against top oppositions than weaker ones, but it's quite silly. If you're a great batsman you should dominate both strong and weak teams.

Amla was very impactful in his prime but his overall career is nowhere near ATG level.
 
Napa said:
Your criteria appears to be Test average. Mahela's Test average is 49.84, while Cook's is 45.65 (okay, we can cut him some slack as he is an opener) and Amla's is currently at 48.03. If Amla does complete 10K runs with an average less than 49.84, then either Cook or Amla must be considered to be the worst as Amla is not an opener. It cannot be Mahela anymore.
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Mahela'a average has been significantly boosted due to a single venue - Sinhalese Sports Club, Colombo.
 
Can Amla even be a cricket great when he retires? Dude's been a complete dud for the last 40% of his career.
 
He should've retired early like Smith [who doesn't get enough credit in spite of a stellar record] and have classy numbers.

I'm a fan but I've not been enjoying watching him struggle.
 
He just needs a series vs. Pakistan.

We have a tendency of making out of form batsmen come back into form. It's unreal how many times our team has managed to do this.

Ask Cook, on the verge of being dropped (back in the 2010 series), and bam! Pakistan came, and he never looked back after that.
 
mmkextreme_1 said:
He just needs a series vs. Pakistan.

We have a tendency of making out of form batsmen come back into form. It's unreal how many times our team has managed to do this.

Ask Cook, on the verge of being dropped (back in the 2010 series), and bam! Pakistan came, and he never looked back after that.
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He will struggle against Pakistani seamers later this year if Pakistan bowl like they did in england. The guy is finished at this level.
 
Amla should have been the one to retire. Think de Villiers should reconsider his retirement although unlikely that he will return back.
 
Ab Fan said:
Amla should have been the one to retire. Think de Villiers should reconsider his retirement although unlikely that he will return back.
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Can't . Only 5 White players. Markram and Elgar are openers, Faf is captain, Qdk is keeper and Steyn is their greatest bowler. Where will AB play?
 
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