Who is the best batter you have seen, who does not average 50 in Test cricket?

[baba ghazi]

VVS laxman

 

[gazza619]

RizBar.

 

[IMMY69]

Me...
and I was only 15 runs short of the 50 mark...

 

[mominsaigol]

RizBar.

Why do you bait for fun?

 

[gazza619]

Why do you bait for fun?

I am actually serious.

 

[mominsaigol]

I am actually serious.

Right so someone like Mahela Jaywardene who has 34 test centuries, 11K test runs, a 374 high score, and an avg to decent record overseas, is somehow worse then

Rizwan a barely 40 avg batter in test cricket who'll likely drop to a 39 avg come next tour with only 3 centuries all achieved in home den with 0 overseas test centuries and all those 3 test centuries resulting in losses for pakistan

And babar azam, a guy with a 42 avg, 9 test centuries with only 2 away from home centuries, And a declining test career to the point that even aqib javed couldn't defend him from England series and had to drop him?

Jee sir aap bilkul theik hain. Forget mahela, The likes of Inzi, Sehwag and many others aren't even fit to kiss the boots of riz and babar in test hain na?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Hashim Amla.

Graeme Smith is the most overrated Batsmen to walk planet Earth.

That is your opinion. He is statistcially the greatest best 4th innings chaser in cricket history. Only player to score 1000 plus runs in 4th innings winning causes. 4 centuries to go with.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

RizBar.

Riz has a v good record for a keeper. Not many keepers average 50. 50 average for a keeper is like 55 for a specialist bat.

Bar is very poor. No centuries. No big knocks in winning runs. Only one heroic knock in his test career. Crap away from home. His average flatters his career.

 

[mominsaigol]

Genuinely though in suprised most people didn't bring up Mahela. Ik he has a very ordinary record overseas, However the guy still has a 49 avg, 34 test centuries, 11K test runs and triple centuries to his name?

Like he should atleast be a contender

 

[jnaveen1980]

Riz has a v good record for a keeper. Not many keepers average 50. 50 average for a keeper is like 55 for a specialist bat.

Bar is very poor. No centuries. No big knocks in winning runs. Only one heroic knock in his test career. Crap away from home. His average flatters his career.

Sarfraz is the one of the two who has 1000 plus runs in winning causes with an average of 50 for Pakistan statistically.

 

[mominsaigol]

Riz has a v good record for a keeper. Not many keepers average 50. 50 average for a keeper is like 55 for a specialist bat.

Bar is very poor. No centuries. No big knocks in winning runs. Only one heroic knock in his test career. Crap away from home. His average flatters his career.

Rizzu avg 40? In test cricket? And he's been keeping since forever in test? And i checked howstat, He has never avg 50 in any capacity? Except against Bangladesh and in one year where pakistan only played 2 test games against Bangladesh in covid era?

Where are you getting 50 from?

Batting position wise, he's never crossed 41 at any position? Excluding Bangladesh he's never crossed 48 in any capacity either?

Howstat has performance by year, batting position, opponent, country etc etc?

So where are you getting 50 from?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Rizzu avg 40? In test cricket? And he's been keeping since forever in test? And i checked howstat, He has never avg 50 in any capacity? Except against Bangladesh and in one year where pakistan only played 2 test games against Bangladesh in covid era?

Where are you getting 50 from?

Batting position wise, he's never crossed 41 at any position? Excluding Bangladesh he's never crossed 48 in any capacity either?

Howstat has performance by year, batting position, opponent, country etc etc?

So where are you getting 50 from?

You get angry too quickly when Riz gets mentioned brother.

I didn't mean Riz averages 50. It's clear from thread title we are talking about players who don't average 50. I mean for a keeper 50 is too high a benchmark and Rizwan is doing ok.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sarfraz is the one of the two who has 1000 plus runs in winning causes with an average of 50 for Pakistan statistically.

Sarfraz had a good phase in test cricket. He was a good player and deserves more respect at times.

 

[mominsaigol]

You get angry too quickly when Riz gets mentioned brother.

I didn't mean Riz averages 50. I mean for a keeper 50 is too high a benchmark.

Lol I'm not getting angry my dude. Apologies if I came off that way, it's the way that I talk but I'll tone it down even further.

Can't get angry at a fellow brother who fights against Indian injustice .

Anyway back to topic, I agree, 40 Avg is fine for a keeper, besides sanga I don't recall a single test keeper avg 50.

However @gazza619 claimed that riz/ba are the best test batters who don't avg 50 and that's factually incorrect.

Rizwan and babar aren't anywhere close to the likes of Mahela, Grame Smith, Sehwag, Damien Martyn and even though I hate Laxman, Laxman atm is > these 2 in test cricket.

Kohli is also > these 2 despite being a circus clown in test since his 100 in bgt is still something ba/riz wouldn't be able to do against such a bowling attack.

They might be able to do it in a series but in a pressure series like bgt, Ashes, wtc? For pakistan let's assume wtc? Naw.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Sarfraz had a good phase in test cricket. He was a good player and deserves more respect at times.

He has one of the better records against Australia in winning causes for Pakistan.

 

[Markhor]

I give Sehwag and Inzi a bit of leeway and consider them 50 averaging players.

Both averaged 50 for their countries ( Well Sehwag 49.4) but the one off ICC super test match pulls them down their average.

Inzamam was robbed of his 50 average thanks to a dreadful LBW decision from Rudi Koertzen in that Super Test. Thank god we have DRS now.

Then again I suppose swings and roundabouts...

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Inzamam was robbed of his 50 average thanks to a dreadful LBW decision from Rudi Koertzen in that Super Test. Thank god we have DRS now.

Then again I suppose swings and roundabouts...

All of them look like they were sliding down

 

[AZulfi]

Virender Sehwag, Saurav Ganguly, Inzamam Ul Haq, Mohd Yousuf, Mahela Jaywardene, V.V.S.Laxman, M.J.Clarke, and of course Graeme

Virender Sehwag, Saurav Ganguly, Inzamam Ul Haq, Mohd Yousuf, Mahela Jaywardene, V.V.S.Laxman, M.J.Clarke, and of course Graeme Smith.

Yousuf’s test average is 52.29 (7530 runs in 90 tests)

 

[jnaveen1980]

Inzamam was robbed of his 50 average thanks to a dreadful LBW decision from Rudi Koertzen in that Super Test. Thank god we have DRS now.

Then again I suppose swings and roundabouts...

It all evens out

 

[msb314]

Riz has a v good record for a keeper. Not many keepers average 50. 50 average for a keeper is like 55 for a specialist bat.

Bar is very poor. No centuries. No big knocks in winning runs. Only one heroic knock in his test career. Crap away from home. His average flatters his career.

Correct me if I’m wrong but even Sanga was a part time WK.

He got thrust into the Full Time WK role for a short while in Tests and a longer period in ODI’s to maintain team balance.

I mention his name given his ATG stats - 55 Avg as WK and 57 Avg as specialist batsman lol

 

[msb314]

Inzamam was robbed of his 50 average thanks to a dreadful LBW decision from Rudi Koertzen in that Super Test. Thank god we have DRS now.

Then again I suppose swings and roundabouts...

Inzy had an absolute stinker in the last two years of his career..

After his hundred against India in Faisalabad 2006 - he had poor away tours of SL, England and SAF. Even his final home series against SAF in 2007 - he was done and mentally retired anyway…

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Mahela Jayawardene is one of the best Test batters i have ever seen yet his average is under 50.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Michael Clarke, Inzi, KP, Mahela, Misbah.

Not naming openers any because in my eyes an opener averaging 45+ in test cricket is the same as a middle-order batsman averaging 50+

 

[gazza619]

Right so someone like Mahela Jaywardene who has 34 test centuries, 11K test runs, a 374 high score, and an avg to decent record overseas, is somehow worse then

Rizwan a barely 40 avg batter in test cricket who'll likely drop to a 39 avg come next tour with only 3 centuries all achieved in home den with 0 overseas test centuries and all those 3 test centuries resulting in losses for pakistan

And babar azam, a guy with a 42 avg, 9 test centuries with only 2 away from home centuries, And a declining test career to the point that even aqib javed couldn't defend him from England series and had to drop him?

Jee sir aap bilkul theik hain. Forget mahela, The likes of Inzi, Sehwag and many others aren't even fit to kiss the boots of riz and babar in test hain na?

It is a matter of personal judgement. I think very highly of RizBar for representing a pathetic minnow level team and set up and yet still trying to shine.

 

[mominsaigol]

It is a matter of personal judgement. I think very highly of RizBar for representing a pathetic minnow level team and set up and yet still trying to shine.

Personal judgment is one thing, being factually incorrect is another.

Babar Azam and Rizwan aren't saviours of their so called trash test team, Their a part of it.

The truth is, If Pakistan had 3 50 averaging batters in the team (Babar, Rizwan, Saud) then they would have won dozens of dozens of test games even if the others were poor and avg 35 to 40 since 3 50 averaging batters goes a long way towards success.

Infact even Australia doesn't have 3 50 avg batters yet their in wtc. One 50 avg batter + 3 40 avg batters have taken them along way in tests even if some of their players like Marsh have been 31 avg circus clowns in test cricket.

But here are Pakistan's numbers in 2024

1) Shan Masood avg 31
2) Abdullah Shafique avg 15
3) Saim Ayub average 26
4) Babar Azam avg 20
5) Saud shakeel avg 41
6) Rizwan avg avg 44
7) Salman Ali Agha avg 41


^^ That's 3 40 avg batters in 2024 and almost everything was carried by them. If Pakistan had one more 40 avg batter in Babar they could have won alot of tests.

The problem with Pakistan is that the top order are all walking wickets and this includes Babar Azam hence you putting Babar > Mahela is grade A comedy since he isn't the saviours of this team but infact he's the 2 worst batsmen of his team after Abdullah.

Now as for Rizwan, Hes done well in test cricket but no one on the planet will take you seriously of you put rizzu > Mahela, Gilly, Sehwag, Laxman, Kohli, Graeme smith, Cook and many other test batters who dont avg 50.

It's utter madness since rizwan is medicore overseas and has zero overseas centuries.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Saeed Anwar

 

[Jazx]

Azharuddin, Saeed Anwar and Mark Wagh.

 

[gazza619]

Personal judgment is one thing, being factually incorrect is another.

Babar Azam and Rizwan aren't saviours of their so called trash test team, Their a part of it.

The truth is, If Pakistan had 3 50 averaging batters in the team (Babar, Rizwan, Saud) then they would have won dozens of dozens of test games even if the others were poor and avg 35 to 40 since 3 50 averaging batters goes a long way towards success.

Infact even Australia doesn't have 3 50 avg batters yet their in wtc. One 50 avg batter + 3 40 avg batters have taken them along way in tests even if some of their players like Marsh have been 31 avg circus clowns in test cricket.

But here are Pakistan's numbers in 2024

1) Shan Masood avg 31
2) Abdullah Shafique avg 15
3) Saim Ayub average 26
4) Babar Azam avg 20
5) Saud shakeel avg 41
6) Rizwan avg avg 44
7) Salman Ali Agha avg 41


^^ That's 3 40 avg batters in 2024 and almost everything was carried by them. If Pakistan had one more 40 avg batter in Babar they could have won alot of tests.

The problem with Pakistan is that the top order are all walking wickets and this includes Babar Azam hence you putting Babar > Mahela is grade A comedy since he isn't the saviours of this team but infact he's the 2 worst batsmen of his team after Abdullah.

Now as for Rizwan, Hes done well in test cricket but no one on the planet will take you seriously of you put rizzu > Mahela, Gilly, Sehwag, Laxman, Kohli, Graeme smith, Cook and many other test batters who dont avg 50.

It's utter madness since rizwan is medicore overseas and has zero overseas centuries.

see the trouble is that facts are often based on numbers and numbers can be easily manipulated to prove a point. Just for example you have restricted your analysis to 2024. You have ignored the fact that quite a few test matches that RizBar have played have been low scoring games. You have ignored the fact that Babar is actually and genuinely out of form.

In a race of life it is not just important where you finish but also worth considering where you started. Pakistan is a country in deep turmoil and depression. The turmoil has gone through the veins of PCB and naturally impacted cricketers, their confidence and performance. We are at the lowest of the lowest when it comes to a talent pool. Yes I may be biased when it comes to RizBar but I am also appreciative of the glimpse of hope I get from them. In my book RizBar are above Mahela and always will be.

Remember cricket is a XI man game, but unfortunately your criticism always starts from RizBar and ends at RizBar.

 

[mominsaigol]

see the trouble is that facts are often based on numbers and numbers can be easily manipulated to prove a point. Just for example you have restricted your analysis to 2024. You have ignored the fact that quite a few test matches that RizBar have played have been low scoring games. You have ignored the fact that Babar is actually and genuinely out of form.

In a race of life it is not just important where you finish but also worth considering where you started. Pakistan is a country in deep turmoil and depression. The turmoil has gone through the veins of PCB and naturally impacted cricketers, their confidence and performance. We are at the lowest of the lowest when it comes to a talent pool. Yes I may be biased when it comes to RizBar but I am also appreciative of the glimpse of hope I get from then. In my book RizBar are above Mahela and always will be.

Remember cricket is a XI man game, but unfortunately your criticism always starts from RizBar and ends at RizBar.

Yes this thread is about mahela vs Babar and pretty much anyone who doesn't avg 50 in test cricket.

All this nonsense word salad is irrelevant and I'm not reading this Shakespeare level nonsense filled with semantics.

you said Babar and rizwan are the greatest ever test batters who do not average 50.

^^ This is what you said and your comment is up their for all to see.

i brought up Mahela as an example, Mahela does not avg 50 or 50+ in test cricket.

mahela vs Ba/riz is a good example to compare and debunk your claim.

Mahela has 11K test runs + 34 test centuries + a solid home record and a okayish away record but still > Babar and rizwan away from home.

Babar and rizwan are barely avg 40 as is, and are declining their avg day by day. Rizwan doesn't even have a single away century and neither does Babar minus 2 away. To top it off they have clown records in multiple other countries as well.

If you don't want mahela, fine, choose sehwag, or gilly or Warner or grame smith or whoever floats your boat.

Point is you claimed ba/riz are the best, I'm debunking it.

Now if you want to argue against it, go ahead and present your arguments as to why, but don't give me this nonsense on what this thread is and isn't about.

 

[gazza619]

Yes this thread is about mahela vs Babar and pretty much anyone who doesn't avg 50 in test cricket.

All this nonsense word salad is irrelevant and I'm not reading this Shakespeare level nonsense filled with semantics.

you said Babar and rizwan are the greatest ever test batters who do not average 50.

^^ This is what you said and your comment is up their for all to see.

i brought up Mahela as an example, Mahela does not avg 50 or 50+ in test cricket.

mahela vs Ba/riz is a good example to compare and debunk your claim.

Mahela has 11K test runs + 34 test centuries + a solid home record and a okayish away record but still > Babar and rizwan away from home.

Babar and rizwan are barely avg 40 as is, and are declining their avg day by day. Rizwan doesn't even have a single away century and neither does Babar minus 2 away. To top it off they have clown records in multiple other countries as well.

If you don't want mahela, fine, choose sehwag, or gilly or Warner or grame smith or whoever floats your boat.

Point is you claimed ba/riz are the best, I'm debunking it.

Now if you want to argue against it, go ahead and present your arguments as to why, but don't give me this nonsense on what this thread is and isn't about.

Thankfully you are mature enough to realise the importance of Riz in white ball. Your ring leader @Rana is on a totally different journey when it comes to hatred.

Back to the thread, I suggest you stop wasting everyone’s time and compare RizBar to others at the end of their careers. They still have a solid 5-7 years left.

 

[mominsaigol]

Thankfully you are mature enough to realise the importance of Riz in white ball. Your ring leader @Rana is on a totally different journey when it comes to hatred.

Back to the thread, I suggest you stop wasting everyone’s time and compare RizBar to others at the end of their careers. They still have a solid 5-7 years left.

In my post to which you replied, where did I talk about whiteball? Let alone rizwan in whiteball?

Seriously where? Cause I have read my post 2x now and I disnt mention it even once?

 

[Rana]

In my post to which you replied, where did I talk about whiteball? Let alone rizwan in whiteball?

Seriously where? Cause I have read my post 2x now and I disnt mention it even once?

It’s funny how these have a habit of celebrating so early

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Graeme Smith, Michael Clarke, KP, Inzi, Sehwag, Gilchrist. Root might end up with a sub 50 avg too once his career is over.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Babar should have averaged above 50 but alas. He is nowhere near it now...

 

[mominsaigol]

Root is barely avg 50 as is, If he drops below then he's undoubtedly the greatest non 50 avg test batter of all time, and i fear he will drop down due to the upcoming Ashes.

Australian pitches are root's ultimate nightmare.

However for me it has to be Graeme Smith, Gilly and sehwag as top 3

Followed by Inzi, KP and Mahela.

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar should have averaged above 50 but alas. He is nowhere near it now...

Why? He has never avg 50 or above in his life?

Before his debut he avg 41 in fc, 51 in List A and 42 in t20?

In international it's a similar story, 42 in Fc, 56 in Odi, 39 in t20?

He's been pretty consistent in his career trajectory.

Even at his absolute peak on phatta roads he avg 49. Infact he avg 70 at home during ramiz era while Usman Khawaja avg 105 and Brooks bradman avg 120 .

 

[Varun]

Adam Gilchrist
Mahela Jayawardene
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Virender Sehwag
Graeme Smith
Kevin Pietersen

 

[MP2011]

Inzamam was robbed of his 50 average thanks to a dreadful LBW decision from Rudi Koertzen in that Super Test. Thank god we have DRS now.

Then again I suppose swings and roundabouts...

That was a very poor decision by Rudy.

However, have a look at the certainty in Lee's appeal and celebrations despite knowing fully well, that was not out. You don't need to see the replays to call that not out, it was that blatant.

 

[Van_Sri]

Gilchrist and Sehwag come to mind. Because they both could have averaged 50 if they wanted to, but played their roles best for the team. Sehwag went out to dominate sides early on, and opened because there wasn't any space, he might have done even better middle order. I’m sure he could have slowed down a bit and got that 50 average.

Gilchrist often scored at a fast rate in order to get runs quickly for Australia to declare or have enough time to bowl out opposition. Also it’s likely he would have averaged more without keeping at the same time.

If I had to go with one as a batsman I’d go with Sehwag. Extremely unique player. I genuinely can’t think of a better batsman averaging under 50.

Sehwags record in England, New Zealand and South Africa were pathetic