Hats off to Mohammad Hafeez the survivor

[MenInG]

He falls, gets up, keeps on going.

We make fun of him. We want him out. But he's selected every time.

He is there today making a game out of it and I can hear Inzi telling us what the value of experience can do for a team.

So chances are he will survive and he is here to stay.

Hats off to the Professor - the ultimate survivor!

 

[Chief Destroyer]

We should applaud him for beating up on weaker teams and disappearing against the big boys?

 

[Napa]

Very well played against #9.

#1, #2 and #3 wait for him in the CT.

 

[MenInG]

We should applaud him for beating up on weaker teams and disappearing against the big boys?

Very well played against #9.

#1, #2 and #3 wait for him in the CT.

How does he do it?

 

[Napa]

How does he do it?

It can happen if the selectors keep giving you chances against weak opposition, rather than selecting new young players.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

How does he do it?

By getting infinite chances.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Its all fun and games until you play the likes of Aus, Ind, England and South Africa.

 

[basitmian]

Either he is very smart or very lucky.
I think its a bit of both.

 

[hafeezrocks]

He is the best performer in the team. If batting against WI is so easy, why doesn't rest of the youngsters scoring tons for fun?

Want to replace Hafeez? Criteria should be simple, just find youngsters who would outscore him.

 

[silentkiller187]

Which one of our batters performs against 1,2 and 3?

 

[coy0607]

Inzi doesn't need to tell us the value of experience
for anyone who's followed Pakistan cricket over the last decade will know- experience is the end all
all we really care about is experience and seniority

also, Hafeez has been fantastic today, but this is the first genuinely good innings Hafeez has played in maybe 2 years

lets bump this thread in the CT!

 

[Rayyman]

Should be opening imo. We need another opener. Otherwise it's back to Azhar.

 

[Abdullah719]

Should be opening imo. We need another opener. Otherwise it's back to Azhar.

You are pointing out in the other thread that Sarfraz can't play pace and here you are suggesting Hafeez should open.

 

[hafeezrocks]

The hate against Hafeez here is sickening.

At 36/3, WI looked favorites and Hafeez has played a blinder to turn the match in Pakistan's favor out of nowhere.

 

[Syed1]

Well played today.

 

[Abdullah719]

The hate against Hafeez here is sickening.

At 36/3, WI looked favorites and Hafeez has played a blinder to turn the match in Pakistan's favor out of nowhere.

That doesn't negate his past failures. He has not turned a corner at 36 years of age. Everyone has always known that he's a fairly good player of spin, that's why there have been some calls in the past for him to bat in the middle order.

 

[waleed88]

That doesn't negate his past failures. He has not turned a corner at 36 years of age. Everyone has always known that he's a fairly good player of spin, that's why there have been some calls in the past for him to bat in the middle order.

Yes he has more 100s than Inzamam in ODIs... so he must be doing something right.

Ofcourse... I compared him to Babar Azam yesterday, and I was right, Hafeez has been the standout performer for us in this series so far with the bat

 

[Abdullah719]

Yes he has more 100s than Inzamam in ODIs... so he must be doing something right

And yet he's nowhere close to Inzamam as a batsman in any aspect.

 

[waleed88]

Babar played at the same strike rate as Hafeez did and was lauded for his efforts.. the hypocrisy on this forum is sickening..

Infact Hafeez was blamed for the defeat in the first game..

 

[Abdullah]

no win for hafeez today. fail and out, score and its the number 9 team.
truth is his bowling still bring too much to the table, so hafeez has more utility than kamran and shezzy.
he has bowled more than malik and a lot better too.
we need him to cover for shadab. thats the truth, bexause its unfair on the kid to expect him to bowl 10 overs 45--1 every game

 

[Citizen4]

good innings today.

But let me remind you he's the biggest minnow basher + hometrack bully of this decade for us

vs Aus: avg 20 in 13 innings
vs SA: avg 18 in 27 innings
vs Eng: avg 29 in 22 innings
vs NZ: avg 29 in 19 innings
vs Bng: avg 25 in 14 innings

he has a very good record against Zimbabwe, SL, WI and India ( because of similar conditions and playing well against them during his peak years)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/41434.html?class=2;template=results;type=batting


we all know what's gonna happen in CT

 

[Hamza_]

good innings today.

But let me remind you he's the biggest minnow basher + hometrack bully of this decade for us

vs Aus: avg 20 in 13 innings
vs SA: avg 18 in 27 innings
vs Eng: avg 29 in 22 innings
vs NZ: avg 29 in 19 innings
vs Bng: avg 25 in 14 innings

he has a very good record against Zimbabwe, SL, WI and India ( because of similar conditions and playing well against them during his peak years)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/41434.html?class=2;template=results;type=batting


we all know what's gonna happen in CT

He is golden boy

 

[ataullah]

Yaar he irretates me when he keeps messing around with his helmet grill before every ball. Rest is fine for me

 

[waleed88]

And yet he's nowhere close to Inzamam as a batsman in any aspect.

Inzamam hid behind 3-4 batsmen all throughout his career in ODIs... Hafeez despite the deficiencies has the guts to face the new ball everytime...

Inzi was criticized by none other than IK for batting too low most of the time

 

[Abdullah719]

Inzamam hid behind 3-4 batsmen all throughout his career in ODIs... Hafeez despite the deficiencies has the guts to face the new ball everytime...

Inzi was criticized by none other than IK for batting too low most of the time

OK.

Don't think I will be pursuing this topic.

 

[waleed88]

All those cricitizing Hafeez need to see which teams did Inzamam scored his 10 centuries against, and which pitches did he play those innings on...

 

[Haz95]

All those cricitizing Hafeez need to see which teams did Inzamam scored his 10 centuries against, and which pitches did he play those innings on...

Inzamam is among the greatest ODI batsmen to have played the game, while Hafeez is.................?

 

[waleed88]

Inzamam is among the greatest ODI batsmen to have played the game, while Hafeez is.................?

Really.... woww quite a claim, have you checked his stats?

 

[rajulakhpati]

They should call him the magician. Has been holding the team hostage for years

 

[NA]

I am not a Hafeez supporter from any point of view, and would actually welcome his exclusion from the ODI side, but I have to admit that this was a great innings. Extremely well paced, and made even more impressive by the fact that Pakistan lost three early wickets. Well played Hafeez!

 

[A.A.Z]

All those cricitizing Hafeez need to see which teams did Inzamam scored his 10 centuries against, and which pitches did he play those innings on...

Inzi has 83 fifties as well. He played at a time when batting was a lot more difficult as well. Please don't tell me you're comparing Inzi with Hafeez? I will literally have a heart attack.

Please watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE1ItAMd_xg

 

[Haz95]

Really.... woww quite a claim, have you checked his stats?

Don't need to. He has innings that Hafeez can only dream to play...I'm not going to argue Hafeez vs Inzy, anyone with even Akmals brain would know why.

 

[Speedster777]

He was lucky WI did not got for the review he'll fail against big teams as usual

 

[waleed88]

Don't need to. He has innings that Hafeez can only dream to play...I'm not going to argue Hafeez vs Inzy, anyone with even Akmals brain would know why.

Yes which is why you need to consider your 'all time best' argument for Inzamam... he has played innings only against Srilanka, India and Zimbabwe... and one against NZ and that too in Sharjah

Also I never talked about Inzi the test match player, we are talking strictly about ODI performances here..

 

[waleed88]

Inzi has 83 fifties as well. He played at a time when batting was a lot more difficult as well. Please don't tell me you're comparing Inzi with Hafeez? I will literally have a heart attack.

Please watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE1ItAMd_xg

Hafeez has more ODI 100s, and has played in the top 3 for most of his innings

 

[waleed88]

Infact Hafeez has a ODI 100 away in NZ, Inzamam has no ODI 100 in tough conditions

 

[Haz95]

Yes which is why you need to consider your 'all time best' argument for Inzamam... he has played innings only against Srilanka, India and Zimbabwe... and one against NZ and that too in Sharjah

Also I never talked about Inzi the test match player, we are talking strictly about ODI performances here..

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64429.html
Find me an inning of Hafeez' which can match this. This isn't even his best..

And it's clear you're rating Inzi based on his 100s, or lack thereof. That is mistake, you clearly do not know how ODIs were played if such were the case.

 

[Abdullah719]

Hafeez has more ODI 100s, and more Man of the Match awards..

Inzamam has 24 Man of the Match awards.

Hafeez has 17.



Edit: Nice edit

 

[Muhammad10]

Inzamam's 60-odd against New Zealand in the World Cup semi-final comfortably eclipses any of Hafeez's plethora of tons against poor bowling attacks.

Sorry, but it's hard to take anyone who compares the two seriously.

 

[Abdullah719]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64429.html
Find me an inning of Hafeez' which can match this. This isn't even his best..

And it's clear you're rating Inzi based on his 100s, or lack thereof. That is mistake, you clearly do not know how ODIs were played if such were the case.

Can anyone imagine Hafeez batting against Ambrose, Walsh and Bishop?

 

[StreetSmart]

How bad the few posters are for him, yes we know he is a weaker point in our team when it comes to batting but at least he is trying. You all can support Umer Amin (Failure) Umer Akmal (Failure) Shezzy and Akmal but cannot appreciate a good performance shame on few posters here.

 

[waleed88]

Inzamam's 60-odd against New Zealand in the World Cup semi-final comfortably eclipses any of Hafeez's plethora of tons against poor bowling attacks.

Sorry, but it's hard to take anyone who compares the two seriously.

Yes but so are Inzi's performances against minnows... which should cast a doubt on his ODI stats..

Even Hafeez has outperformed him...

 

[waleed88]

Can anyone imagine Hafeez batting against Ambrose, Walsh and Bishop?

Where is Inzamam's 100 away from home... in swinging conditions.. I still can't find it... for one of the greatest ever that is quite big empty slot

 

[waleed88]

Inzamam's 60-odd against New Zealand in the World Cup semi-final comfortably eclipses any of Hafeez's plethora of tons against poor bowling attacks.

Sorry, but it's hard to take anyone who compares the two seriously.

Yes but what has Inzamam done in 3 World Cups after that....

 

[Abdullah719]

Where is Inzamam's 100 away from home... in swinging conditions.. I still can't find it... for one of the greatest ever that is quite big empty slot

Thread is about Hafeez, I am not sure why you brought Inzamam into it anyway.

Try making a new thread on this and let's see how many people agree with you.

 

[Haz95]

Yes but what has Inzamam done in 3 World Cups after that....

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65993.html
One of the best bowling pairs of all time, an ATG team in a world cup. Sorry but Hafeez would barely end as a Pakistani great, Inzi is an ODI great and is among the best.

 

[waleed88]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65993.html
One of the best bowling pairs of all time, an ATG team in a world cup. Sorry but Hafeez would barely end as a Pakistani great, Inzi is an ODI great and is among the best.

Home conditions... Hafeez didn't have the luxury of playing in those for more than half his career, yet has more 100s than Inzi

 

[Muhammad10]

Yes but so are Inzi's performances against minnows... which should cast a doubt on his ODI stats..

Even Hafeez has outperformed him...

I'm not necessarily arguing that Inzamam is an ODI ATG, but he's clearly a level above Hafeez.

Hafeez's average against strong bowling attacks, i.e. Australia, South Africa, England and New Zealand is 24.41 compared to Inzamam's average of 34.54 (which is even better than Hafeez's overall career average, with all his minnow-bashing in the era of flat pitches and huge totals taken into account) against the same opposition.

 

[Haz95]

Home conditions... Hafeez didn't have the luxury of playing in those for more than half his career, yet has more 100s than Inzi

Oh no you clever little rascal, you got me with the 100s point!! To add to this wonderful argument, Upul Tharanga has more 100s than Hafeez and Inzy, I guess he must be better than both of them!! And haha tru, what the worth of playing against some nobodies, Warne and McGrath in home conditions.

You've clearly gotten me, I no longer want to take part in this massacre

 

[Muhammad10]

Home conditions... Hafeez didn't have the luxury of playing in those for more than half his career, yet has more 100s than Inzi

In the "luxury" of his home conditions, Hafeez averaged 25.11 at a strike-rate of 69.96.

Poor fellow, his statistics clearly suffered due to being deprived of such a "luxury".

 

[Square Drive]

Yes, shut a lot of people up today, myself included.

Performance comes at a very crucial time.

Well done, Hafeez!

 

[waleed88]

Oh no you clever little rascal, you got me with the 100s point!! To add to this wonderful argument, Upul Tharanga has more 100s than Hafeez and Inzy, I guess he must be better than both of them!! And haha tru, what the worth of playing against some nobodies, Warne and McGrath in home conditions.

You've clearly gotten me, I no longer want to take part in this massacre

Home conditions play a big part in player's career.. increases the average by 10 atleast... you can't remove that privelege out from a player regardless of the era he is in... if hafeez had that privelege, he would be a 20- ODI 100s man for me...

 

[waleed88]

In the "luxury" of his home conditions, Hafeez averaged 25.11 at a strike-rate of 69.96.

Poor fellow, his statistics clearly suffered due to being deprived of such a "luxury".

Hafeez's career clearly took off in 2010... just like Misbah's took off in 2007 after t20 world cup 2007

Before that he was experimented in alot of places (under Inzi's captaincy specially) but never managed to settle himself

Taufeeq Umar, Yasir Hameed, Imran Farhat were thought better off by Inzi

 

[Haz95]

Home conditions play a big part in player's career.. increases the average by 10 atleast... you can't remove that privelege out from a player regardless of the era he is in... if hafeez had that privelege, he would be a 20- ODI 100s man for me...

I know right. If Babar Azam had played at home, he'd have 2x as much 100s too. That would be a whopping 10 in only 25 matches!! He'd also be averaging well above 60 and have a 180 strike rate too!

 

[Muhammad10]

Home conditions play a big part in player's career.. increases the average by 10 atleast... you can't remove that privelege out from a player regardless of the era he is in... if hafeez had that privelege, he would be a 20- ODI 100s man for me...

I comprehensively debunked this myth in post #50. In Pakistan, Hafeez averaged 25.11 at a strike-rate of 69.96, while in the frightening, hostile neutral venue known as the UAE, he feasted on opposition bowlers with an average of 39.52 and a strike-rate of 77.14. Clearly, a "privilege" that only proved burdensome for him.

 

[waleed88]

I know right. If Babar Azam had played at home, he'd have 2x as much 100s too. That would be a whopping 10 in only 25 matches!! He'd also be averaging well above 60 and have a 180 strike rate too!

Might be... he is a fine young talent

 

[waleed88]

I comprehensively debunked this myth in post #50. In Pakistan, Hafeez averaged 25.11 at a strike-rate of 69.96, while in the frightening, hostile neutral venue known as the UAE, he feasted on opposition bowlers with an average of 39.52 and a strike-rate of 77.14. Clearly, a "privilege" that only proved burdensome for him.

I don't agree on this notion because back in 2004 our pitches produced 340+ runs wickets.. and 300 was being scored in every game vs India... considering these were the same wickets that were present in Pakistan during Hafeez's established phase of his career (2010-17), I feel Hafeez could've easily done better than Inzamam by a good 5-6 centuries

 

[Haz95]

Might be... he is a fine young talent

So it's a hypothetical, assumption based opinion?

 

[GLORY OF '92]

He played great today.

Akmal and Shezad and Amir are the one under doubt.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

So another flop champions trophy on the cards.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Not he will play in England where he will most likely fail.

 

[Kitchlew]

When hafeez or Malik play at the strike rate equal to babar.. The played too slow..Should be hanged.
When they play at a good strike rate.. Weak Team
Play good against a good team with good strike..Must be a Flat track. Flat track bully should be dropped
Stupid people every where
I dont know what more they can do..
Give chance to youngsters??? We will see how pathetic are our youngsters in upcoming Pakistan cup

 

[MMHS]

Infact Hafeez has a ODI 100 away in NZ, Inzamam has no ODI 100 in tough conditions

MoHa is around 37 and he started at around 22 - played his 20s in an era when Inzi was also playing against same/similar teams. Before being dropped, in that era, MoHa had a career stats of 18 average @ 63 SR - don't catch me if I miss some decimals

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

MoHa is around 37 and he started at around 22 - played his 20s in an era when Inzi was also playing against same/similar teams. Before being dropped, in that era, MoHa had a career stats of 18 average @ 63 SR - don't catch me if I miss some decimals ��

But Moha is a national treasure he will get 40+ average in CT I am sure we have been down this road already.

 

[MMHS]

This is quite predictable actually. MoHa is gifted with timing & the day he plays longer innings, easily looks to be the best player. Unfortunately, overall he is just not good enough to maintain that at highest level. Even in his hay days, when he was batting at 50/85 sort of stats across Asia/UAE, his outside Asia stats was like 23/70 or so - this includes a grand bashing of Mughabe's ZIMboks.

 

[Black Zero]

Yes he has more 100s than Inzamam in ODIs... so he must be doing something right.

Ofcourse... I compared him to Babar Azam yesterday, and I was right, Hafeez has been the standout performer for us in this series so far with the bat

Q: Is it fair to compare centuries of an opener with someone bats at #6?

 

[Rayyman]

You are pointing out in the other thread that Sarfraz can't play pace and here you are suggesting Hafeez should open.

Sarfraz isn't an opener. Hafeez is.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

The real tragedy in the fact that Hafeez made these runs is showing by how we are now at a point where Hafeez (The Batsman) and Inzi are being compared To each other

It's like comparing Roger Federer to Ahsam Ul Haq.....

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Why hats off if ultimately it just hurts pakistan ?

The similarities between this thread and the "like it or hate it Imran Farhat is here to stay" thread before the last CT is stark. We know what happened then.

Professor should only get kudos if he does well in the CT

 

[Citizen4]

Should be opening imo. We need another opener. Otherwise it's back to Azhar.

You are pointing out in the other thread that Sarfraz can't play pace and here you are suggesting Hafeez should open.

Sarfraz isn't an opener. Hafeez is.

Hafeez opening in CT is the worst possible start we can get SA and Indian bowlers will not let him bat for more than 10 balls
It's a recipe for disaster, ridiculous idea, I'd rather have Amir open instead of Hafeez

 

[Hamza_]

Hafeez opening in CT is the worst possible start we can get SA and Indian bowlers will not let him bat for more than 10 balls
It's a recipe for disaster, ridiculous idea, I'd rather have Amir open instead of Hafeez

Im okay with Hafeez opening in CT.

Jaldi jaan chutay ge.

 

[kingusama92]

Any captain/coach/selector who supports Hafeez is a weak-hearted man.

Simple as that.

Complete disregard for how he performs against better teams. Complete disregard for putting younger players forward against weaker opposition.

Just cause they don't have the courage to lose against weaker sides, they use a short-term option such as Hafeez. It's embarrassing.

He will now go on and play in the CT while nicking into the slips in single digits.

 

[CricFan2012]

He was lucky WI did not got for the review he'll fail against big teams as usual

/thread

 

[moghul]

All he needs is a flat track and innocent bowling attack and he will score runs for you.

 

[chashmish]

Its all fun and games until you play the likes of Aus, Ind, England and South Africa.

Rite. Who was the man of the match in the 2 most recent ODIs we won against Australia and India? Guess what Hafeez!

Surely if we have so many other great cricketers, how come they never win matches against Aus and India?

 

[yasir]

Hafeez, Misbah, Malik, Sarfi are type of talent that thrives on low and slow wickets. These type of players and conditions have made us #8 team consistently from last 6 years, unless we change our policies and player we will remain #8 team.

Tournament matches are not played in such conditions, nor most other bi-letral series...These kind of surfaces works best for Misbah 11, but a grave yard for Cricket Pakistan...I am worried, with Misbah been director of cricket, Are we in for end of Cricket as we know it?? - Misbah will build where he left off as Captain, aka desert is future and Old is gold or go back to the future aka pace is king, youth is only way to move forward ? - Hard to see him changing his life long mindset, we are in for a dark future

 

[Hawkeye]

This is quite predictable actually. MoHa is gifted with timing & the day he plays longer innings, easily looks to be the best player. Unfortunately, overall he is just not good enough to maintain that at highest level. Even in his hay days, when he was batting at 50/85 sort of stats across Asia/UAE, his outside Asia stats was like 23/70 or so - this includes a grand bashing of Mughabe's ZIMboks.

Lol.

Your argument would make sense if you were not advocating for Malik on the other hand, who is a bigger dud than Hafeez against any good team, or pace bowling, and 20 years of constant failures at the highest level.

Malik is king at cashing in weak opposition on low, slow pitches.

Hafeez is a free flowing bat and can play pace.

 

[Kianig89]

Good innings by Hafeez but his deficiencies should not be covered by this, specially now he offers no L.T. value should be discarded forever and if possible be given a luxury of home series against AFG for 7 ODI's so that he can rack up 7 more 100s to become Pakistan's greatest ODI batsman


Absolutely laughable some people comparing Hafeez with Inzi and even claiming that he is better than Hafeez. Inzy was always a go to player for Pakistan like ship sailor The inningsin WC92 Multan Test vs BAN and countless other ODIs which Hafeez can only dream of

Infact if you ask Hafeez that are you better than INzy as a player then even he will deny this

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Babar played at the same strike rate as Hafeez did and was lauded for his efforts.. the hypocrisy on this forum is sickening..

Infact Hafeez was blamed for the defeat in the first game..

I'm waiting for that day when people realize Babar's flaw is the exact thing that people were criticizing Hafeez for in that game.

And that was the first time I've seen people on PP criticizing a big score because it wasn't quick enough (and by no means was it particularly slow). On every other occassion it's about not playing big shots, curbing yourself and batting like Babar Azam actually does.

Where are these people when Babar Azam in every single T20 scores at match-losing SR of 120 or lower? Only then is an anchor required? If Babar does it a platform has been built and others be blamed for not scoring at 250 SR, but if others do it, they are fault and no one blame Babar for scoring 14 (21).

Yesterday there was no run rate pressure and that's when Babar decided to go for big shots and dare I say 'threw his wicket away'....

 

[DRsohail]

hafeez the manipulator knows ow to survive..