Have India "BOSSED" the New Zealand ODI series?

[Haroon786]

This is not a kneejerk thread and is definitely an original conception - India have been the superior team in all facets of the game: batting, bowling and fielding. However, what the million dollar question is whether India have BOSSED the series?

To my eye, I think it is debatable but leaving the floor open - what are your thoughts? Have NZ been BOSSED?

 

[WengerOut]

What a joke!! If it was 2-2, then OP might have had a point

 

[AMSS]

What a joke!! If it was 2-2, then OP might have had a point

Pretty much.

 

[Pakhs]

yes they have by any definition. There is no doubt about that.

 

[Etherealistic]

Not yet, let's first see if India wins it 5-0, then can say they have absolutely BOSSED the ODI series vs New Zealand. No doubt that so far the bowling, batting and fielding is superior to NZ and have gelled well as a unit which makes them dangerous. It's not about 1-2 individual performances, it's about the whole team.

 

[dragon751]

and the point of this question is ???
should be nominated for the most pointless thread on PP unless it was ment to be sarcastic

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Only if it's 5-0 or 4-1. If NZ win the next two games , then absolutely not. Bossing is what we did to SA in SA and what we did to our other Asian brothers throughout the Asia Cup

 

[Pakhs]

Only if it's 5-0 or 4-1. If NZ win the next two games , then absolutely not. Bossing is what we did to SA in SA and what we did to our other Asian brothers throughout the Asia Cup

If you win the first 3 games and series is over already I would say its better than 4-1. Only two dead rubbers are left.

 

[Haroon786]

What a joke!! If it was 2-2, then OP might have had a point

So are you saying the value of moral victories is greater than actual ones?

 

[Haroon786]

yes they have by any definition. There is no doubt about that.

Wouldn't be so sure, let's see what other PPers say.

 

[Haroon786]

and the point of this question is ???
should be nominated for the most pointless thread on PP unless it was ment to be sarcastic

You can interpret it in anyway you want, if you feel it's useless than that's your opinion.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

If you win the first 3 games and series is over already I would say its better than 4-1. Only two dead rubbers are left.

Merely winning a series is not a sign of dominance. Even if the losses are in dead rubbers. If teams aren't looking to win even so called dead rubbers then what's the point of playing? If you want to be seen as bossing a team you better give 200% in so called dead rubbers as well. Otherwise you're merely a good team.

 

[latecut]

Here different teams are judged by different yardsticks. In another thread, Pakistan, tied 2-2 with South Africa is supposedly bossing over South Africa. Here there is doubt whether India, 3-0 ahead against New Zealand with series already in the bag are bossing or they just got lucky (New Zealand D team etc).

 

[CricketDon]

Yes. India has bossed the series and on course to a famous series win against a strong New Zealand side. The same side who spanked Pakistan into oblivion.

 

[Pakhs]

Merely winning a series is not a sign of dominance. Even if the losses are in dead rubbers. If teams aren't looking to win even so called dead rubbers then what's the point of playing? If you want to be seen as bossing a team you better give 200% in so called dead rubbers as well. Otherwise you're merely a good team.

Dead rubber have no meaning and may as well not be played. The series is definitely won already so winning these pointless matches mean nothing.

 

[Pakhs]

Yes. India has bossed the series and on course to a famous series win against a strong New Zealand side. The same side who spanked Pakistan into oblivion.

That's correct, which is why its very impressive. Although Pakistan was just getting the team together with many new players playing their first 10-15 games. India on the other hand is playing very experienced side with most player past midway point of their careers. There is no comparison at all. When India toured last time the same players lost the series because they were not as experienced.

 

[WengerOut]

So are you saying the value of moral victories is greater than actual ones?

In this cut throat world, there should be more value for morality.

 

[Mp812]

Here different teams are judged by different yardsticks. In another thread, Pakistan, tied 2-2 with South Africa is supposedly bossing over South Africa. Here there is doubt whether India, 3-0 ahead against New Zealand with series already in the bag are bossing or they just got lucky (New Zealand D team etc).

India huffed and puffed and got lucky decisions to somehow reach 3 nil in the series. Bossing is 2 all without even breaking a sweat

 

[Itachi]

It isn't bossed unless the score is 2-2.

So no, India hasn't bossed NZ

 

[JibranAnsari]

India has comfortably dominated newzealand in the series so far and that too in NZ which is amazing.

 

[Hyperion66]

Yes we did. We were clinical and ruthless, pretty much toyed with them. Excited to see Gill now in the remaining two matches. Hope we keep up the momentum.

 

[Hyperion66]

What a joke!! If it was 2-2, then OP might have had a point

Brutal!!

 

[jnaveen1980]

Dominating series for top order spinners seamers. Fielders not so much

 

[BreadPakoda]

As [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] rightly and repeatedly pointed out:

1) India is very lucky to face an out of form team
2) This series has done more harm than good to India
3) New Zealand got a much needed wake up call

So, all in all, yes the series has been bossed, but by NZ and not by India

 

[cr7great]

It was Nz strategy to lose against India
so that India weak middle order won't expose before world cup .

 

[Buffet]

Bossing is 5-0 or 5-1 kind of score.

Series can end with 3-2 here.

 

[a_tahir]

Why is this a thread?
Just to troll the pak bossing sa thread?

 

[jadaja]

Did India boss Pakistan in Asia cup last year???? You will find your answer for this question.

 

[Raja111]

Let me put it in simple words

A 3-2 series win after playing a decider - Not Bossed

A 3-2 series win with two dead rubbers - Bossed.

In my opinion, Yes, they have bossed it even if they lose the next two games!

 

[jeetu]

Sometime bossing early can backfire.
Just before 2003 WC , India toured NZ where Shane Bond was in peak form.
NZ beat India in test series. And were 4-0 in 7 ODI series. They took next 2 ODI little causally and India sneaked in 2 narrow wins. This gave Indian team enough confidence that in WC India beat NZ by 7 wickets.

With Kohli gone from ODI team , its NZ's best chance to get wins.

 

[Buffet]

Let me put it in simple words

A 3-2 series win after playing a decider - Not Bossed

A 3-2 series win with two dead rubbers - Bossed.

In my opinion, Yes, they have bossed it even if they lose the next two games!

If you lose 2 ODI after being up in series then clearly you are not bossing the series.

Bossing the series has different meaning than bossing the first 3 ODIs in series.

 

[barah_admi]

This is not a kneejerk thread and is definitely an original conception - India have been the superior team in all facets of the game: batting, bowling and fielding. However, what the million dollar question is whether India have BOSSED the series?

To my eye, I think it is debatable but leaving the floor open - what are your thoughts? Have NZ been BOSSED?

I see what you did there but th answer is obvious, India have indeed bossed New Zealand. But they should do, they are the better ranked team.

 

[Rahul1]

Meh. We are playing against New Zealand D team. If New Zealand were playing their first choice team we would be getting hammered in every match.

 

[rhony]

NZ didn't even play their 50 overs quota in any game. NZ won the toss in 2 out of 3 games. The games weren't even close. No. It's not bossing. It was bullying!!

 

[Bilal7]

They've won three games out of three. Of course they have bossed this series and if I'm being honest, I am very surprised.

 

[jadaja]

Sometime bossing early can backfire.
Just before 2003 WC , India toured NZ where Shane Bond was in peak form.
NZ beat India in test series. And were 4-0 in 7 ODI series. They took next 2 ODI little causally and India sneaked in 2 narrow wins. This gave Indian team enough confidence that in WC India beat NZ by 7 wickets.

With Kohli gone from ODI team , its NZ's best chance to get wins.

That is utter nonsense, India lost all matches to Australia in Tri series before 2015 world cup and they also lost semi final to the same team in world cup too.

There is nothing like peaking early.Any team can have a bad day and get beaten like CT 2017 finals.

 

[rhony]

That is utter nonsense, India lost all matches to Australia in Tri series before 2015 world cup and they also lost semi final to the same team in world cup too.

There is nothing like peaking early.Any team can have a bad day and get beaten like CT 2017 finals.

Exactly the Aussie team in 2000s won almost every game in every series. Beating them was an upset. Winning is experience. You go through different situations and eventually come out on top. Thats what is called a winning culture.

Ex players like Gavaskar coined these terms 'Peaking too early' because they never had a winning culture and would justify their losses. It's the same Gavaskar that was so sure that Indian team would carry mental scars against Pak in Asia cup because of CT final. These are professional units and know how to cope and move on from defeats or how not to be complacent after victories

 

[dragon751]

Exactly the Aussie team in 2000s won almost every game in every series. Beating them was an upset. Winning is experience. You go through different situations and eventually come out on top. Thats what is called a winning culture.

Ex players like Gavaskar coined these terms 'Peaking too early' because they never had a winning culture and would justify their losses. It's the same Gavaskar that was so sure that Indian team would carry mental scars against Pak in Asia cup because of CT final. These are professional units and know how to cope and move on from defeats or how not to be complacent after victories

gavaskar for all his greatness is out of touch with the modern day game and quite often spouts inanities( only because his reading of the situation is not how the modern game is played) on commentary

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Exactly the Aussie team in 2000s won almost every game in every series. Beating them was an upset. Winning is experience. You go through different situations and eventually come out on top. Thats what is called a winning culture.

Ex players like Gavaskar coined these terms 'Peaking too early' because they never had a winning culture and would justify their losses. It's the same Gavaskar that was so sure that Indian team would carry mental scars against Pak in Asia cup because of CT final. These are professional units and know how to cope and move on from defeats or how not to be complacent after victories

Australia too never peaked early in the tournament. 1999 is a classic example. They were poor early in the tournament with Adam Dale opening the bowling instead of McGrath. They suffered two losses to PAK and NZ before starting that World Cup streak of no losses. It was only in the game against the windies that the bowling , batting and catching started clicking together and OZ looked the strongest lineup for the rest of the tournament and thrashed PAK in the final. In 03 too, they looked vulnerable early against Pakistan, against England and particularly when bond was bowling his thunderbolts . The only difference was that OZ team was still a notch better than every other team even when not at their collective best. But they had peaked by the time of the final and we all know what happened.

 

[WengerOut]

gavaskar for all his greatness is out of touch with the modern day game and quite often spouts inanities( only because his reading of the situation is not how the modern game is played) on commentary

During commentary on last match Gavaskar gave the excuse for his infamous 36(170) as ODIs being new and never knowing how to approach an innings. His excuse would've been somewhat tolerable had he scored 36(60) or something like that. I mean, is it a rocket science that you need to score runs quickly to chase down 330 in 60 overs? Chetan Chauhan scored 37(59) in the same match.

 

[Thomaskutty]

I haven't seen any of the three games but the result is a surprise. Are the pitches different from the usual spicy ones we see in NZ?

 

[jadaja]

Australia too never peaked early in the tournament. 1999 is a classic example. They were poor early in the tournament with Adam Dale opening the bowling instead of McGrath. They suffered two losses to PAK and NZ before starting that World Cup streak of no losses. It was only in the game against the windies that the bowling , batting and catching started clicking together and OZ looked the strongest lineup for the rest of the tournament and thrashed PAK in the final. In 03 too, they looked vulnerable early against Pakistan, against England and particularly when bond was bowling his thunderbolts . The only difference was that OZ team was still a notch better than every other team even when not at their collective best. But they had peaked by the time of the final and we all know what happened.

Peaking early in tournament has got nothing to do with performances 6 months before the tournament.

I understand peaking early in tournament but doing well six months before is not called peaking too early.

 

[Mp812]

Meh. We are playing against New Zealand D team. If New Zealand were playing their first choice team we would be getting hammered in every match.

Roger Williams, Thomas Vintreoper and Martin Legrain were missing for NZ making it a NZ 'D' team or else India would never have won.

 

[Haroon786]

In this cut throat world, there should be more value for morality.

Indeed, there are no actual losers in sport, to be a moral victor is a triumph in itself.

 

[Haroon786]

I see what you did there but th answer is obvious, India have indeed bossed New Zealand. But they should do, they are the better ranked team.

From accidents, come upon great discoveries! NZ certainly look like
look like they've been in an accident.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I haven't seen any of the three games but the result is a surprise. Are the pitches different from the usual spicy ones we see in NZ?

In this modern era of mini-highlights, you have all the time in the world to login to this forum and type this 2 line comment but got no 2 mins to watch highlights? smh!

 

[rhony]

Australia too never peaked early in the tournament. 1999 is a classic example. They were poor early in the tournament with Adam Dale opening the bowling instead of McGrath. They suffered two losses to PAK and NZ before starting that World Cup streak of no losses. It was only in the game against the windies that the bowling , batting and catching started clicking together and OZ looked the strongest lineup for the rest of the tournament and thrashed PAK in the final. In 03 too, they looked vulnerable early against Pakistan, against England and particularly when bond was bowling his thunderbolts . The only difference was that OZ team was still a notch better than every other team even when not at their collective best. But they had peaked by the time of the final and we all know what happened.

99 is the beginning of their dominance. Look at 2003 and 2007. Look at the jamodi series Australia played during that time. They were dominant all through and understood the value of imbibing a winning culture in the team.

Every 4 years teams rebuild, plan and try to win games so the players can acclamatize to different conditions and expose themselves to various situations. All of this culminates into confidence going into a world cup and prepares you for any situations.

 

[rhony]

I haven't seen any of the three games but the result is a surprise. Are the pitches different from the usual spicy ones we see in NZ?

First of all ODIs are typically not played on 'spicy' pitches. Even if you thought they were, how did you determine they aren't spicy pitches after seeing NZ scores.

 

[Napa]

Only if it's 5-0 or 4-1. If NZ win the next two games , then absolutely not. Bossing is what we did to SA in SA and what we did to our other Asian brothers throughout the Asia Cup

We did need the very last ball to secure a win over Bangladesh in the final.

 

[The Viper]

India has done well so far. Even the middle order got runs last game.

 

[Hyperion66]

Exactly the Aussie team in 2000s won almost every game in every series. Beating them was an upset. Winning is experience. You go through different situations and eventually come out on top. Thats what is called a winning culture.

Ex players like Gavaskar coined these terms 'Peaking too early' because they never had a winning culture and would justify their losses. It's the same Gavaskar that was so sure that Indian team would carry mental scars against Pak in Asia cup because of CT final. These are professional units and know how to cope and move on from defeats or how not to be complacent after victories

Very well put, there is no"peaking early" or "peaking at the right time" in a game that is seriously played by a little more than half a dozen teams.

Gavaskar is one of the greats of the game but an out and out hypocrite as a person, cries foul over disrespecting caps, jerseys and sunglasses when he himself is infamous for pulling that pathetic stunt in 1975 WC. I don't think any passionate fan of the game could forgive that criminal act of an innings. I would much rather put Kohli's MC BC on binge than listening to his sanctimonious crap during a match.

 

[Hyperion66]

During commentary on last match Gavaskar gave the excuse for his infamous 36(170) as ODIs being new and never knowing how to approach an innings. His excuse would've been somewhat tolerable had he scored 36(60) or something like that. I mean, is it a rocket science that you need to score runs quickly to chase down 330 in 60 overs? Chetan Chauhan scored 37(59) in the same match.

Now the same guy lectures about converting ones into twos

 

[BaankeJi]

Very well put, there is no"peaking early" or "peaking at the right time" in a game that is seriously played by a little more than half a dozen teams.

Gavaskar is one of the greats of the game but an out and out hypocrite as a person, cries foul over disrespecting caps, jerseys and sunglasses when he himself is infamous for pulling that pathetic stunt in 1975 WC. I don't think any passionate fan of the game could forgive that criminal act of an innings. I would much rather put Kohli's MC BC on binge than listening to his sanctimonious crap during a match.

You are being too harsh on him. APart from the talks about wearables , he has been one of very few sensible folks.
Remember his talk when India lost a test vs Australia? He didn't care about his friendship Shastri and called it out.
There have been other instances as well.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

India have comprehensively shown they are the second best ODI team in the world.

 

[Hyperion66]

You are being too harsh on him. APart from the talks about wearables , he has been one of very few sensible folks.
Remember his talk when India lost a test vs Australia? He didn't care about his friendship Shastri and called it out.
There have been other instances as well.

You are probably right, but I just can't forget about that innings, I mean surely even a club batsman would have scored more runs after facing 200 something deliveries and we are talking about one of the top tier greats of the game!!

 

[Haroon786]

India have comprehensively shown they are the second best ODI team in the world.

Who is the first and have they shown the ability to BOSS a series?

 

[AMSS]

To those thinking India haven't truly bossed the series because moral victories haven't been theirs...

..I say to them wait till WC'19. We'll collect our quota of moral victories at the global event and crash out of it...with our head held high.

 

[Aman]

Bumpable thread.

Bookmarked for the WC

 

[RamLakhan]

Bossing is winning CT finals with big margin and chanting it for next 10 years! That is called true bossing!

 

[Nikhil_cric]

We did need the very last ball to secure a win over Bangladesh in the final.

Still. We dominated the tournament as a whole and beat PAK and BD twice each.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Who is the first and have they shown the ability to BOSS a series?

England obviously. I don't think any team has BOSSED more series since the last WC than England

 

[j_kazmi]

I love these kind of funny threads

 

[geraltofrivia]

Bossing is winning CT finals with big margin and chanting it for next 10 years! That is called true bossing!

tbh we won in 2013 too. no one really cares cause we have won a lot more.

 

[RamLakhan]

tbh we won in 2013 too. no one really cares cause we have won a lot more.

But have we won anything like that in "bossing" way! Never!

 

[Haroon786]

England obviously. I don't think any team has BOSSED more series since the last WC than England

Well, I hope England can cope with the pressure and win the WC.

 

[Haroon786]

Bumpable thread.

Bookmarked for the WC

Haha seems like you're triggered?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Well, I hope England can cope with the pressure and win the WC.

That's a different story. And btw I don't think England can win the WC. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Aman]

Haha seems like you're triggered?

Not really, it's unlikely India win the WC.

 

[K4Kohli]

As [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] rightly and repeatedly pointed out:

1) India is very lucky to face an out of form team
2) This series has done more harm than good to India
3) New Zealand got a much needed wake up call

So, all in all, yes the series has been bossed, but by NZ and not by India

I agree with Aman bro as well. It is for a greater good and yes it is NZ that has bossed the series

 

[BreadPakoda]

I agree with Aman bro as well. It is for a greater good and yes it is NZ that has bossed the series

Perfect strategy executed by NZ. Lost the series to get a wake up call and then winning dead rubbers after most Indian players went for sight seeing. This will give them good confidence in long run. Congrats [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

 

[Mamoon]

India have deeply humiliated New Zealand in this series.

For a team that is lionized for its home form, the way they were battered and lost a 5 match series in 3 games was embarrassing to say the least.

Not to forget India were without the best fast bowler in the world as well.

India came with a weakened team, smashed New Zealand in 3 days and the captain left for a holiday on a private jet.

They didn’t even care to play Dhoni and Shami today.

Any New Zealand fan celebrating this worthless win today is showcasing nothing but his/her minnow mentality, and this is exactly the type of attitude why they will never win anything substantial in cricket.

 

[rhony]

India have deeply humiliated New Zealand in this series.

For a team that is lionized for its home form, the way they were battered and lost a 5 match series in 3 games was embarrassing to say the least.

Not to forget India were without the best fast bowler in the world as well.

India came with a weakened team, smashed New Zealand in 3 days and the captain left for a holiday on a private jet.

They didn’t even care to play Dhoni and Shami today.

Any New Zealand fan celebrating this worthless win today is showcasing nothing but his/her minnow mentality, and this is exactly the type of attitude why they will never win anything substantial in cricket.

LOL. Reminds me of all ther Saffers celebrating their pride being restored after the pinkday ODI in SA series.

 

[RamLakhan]

This is called bossing... In spite of losing the series coming back strongly like this!

 

[Ab Fan]

India have deeply humiliated New Zealand in this series.

For a team that is lionized for its home form, the way they were battered and lost a 5 match series in 3 games was embarrassing to say the least.

Not to forget India were without the best fast bowler in the world as well.

<B>India came with a weakened team, smashed New Zealand in 3 days and the captain left for a holiday on a private jet.</B>

They didn’t even care to play Dhoni and Shami today.

Any New Zealand fan celebrating this worthless win today is showcasing nothing but his/her minnow mentality, and this is exactly the type of attitude why they will never win anything substantial in cricket.

This is epic, indeed.

 

[Oligochaetes]

"Bossed" word in thread title is injurious to team's fortunes

 

[Ab Fan]

The series is played in NZ, 3 tests are done. I expected home captain and the other premier batsmen of the home team to have some rest after winning the series.

But, wait, that was away team and the away captain.

 

[Aman]

India have deeply humiliated New Zealand in this series.

For a team that is lionized for its home form, the way they were battered and lost a 5 match series in 3 games was embarrassing to say the least.

Not to forget India were without the best fast bowler in the world as well.

India came with a weakened team, smashed New Zealand in 3 days and the captain left for a holiday on a private jet.

They didn’t even care to play Dhoni and Shami today.

Any New Zealand fan celebrating this worthless win today is showcasing nothing but his/her minnow mentality, and this is exactly the type of attitude why they will never win anything substantial in cricket.

Which NZ fan is celebrating?

Series is over, it's about finding an ideal XI for the WC now.

 

[BDfanforever]

So when Kholi dont play Indian fans are the first to remind everyone it was Ind B team, fair enough. However, when AUS don’t play their main two batsman, it is full strength Aus?

 

[rhony]

That have to play Southee. He's a swing bowler and can chip in the bat and is a good fielder. Boult single handedly won this game for NZ. He needs a good partner.

 

[rhony]

So when Kholi dont play Indian fans are the first to remind everyone it was Ind B team, fair enough. However, when AUS don’t play their main two batsman, it is full strength Aus?

There is no A or B team. Teams can play only what's in front of them. India won fair and square in AUS and smashed NZ too. Today they were thrashed by an ATG bowler at his best. Fair and square again!!