Have Sajid Khan and Noman Ali’s performances proved that Ravichandran Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja are nothing special?

[deep82]

Although the OP has a clear agenda in creating this thread but if you look at the actual comparison between Ashwin/Jadeja and Noman/Sajid, you can clearly see the Pakistan spin twin has only delivered on raging turners as of now. They are stull untested on normal pitches which doesn't mean that they won't deliver on them. But that is still to happen.

India defeated England 4-1 on mostly regular tracks. Not a single raging tuner was provided.
Against Aus at home, India won 2-1 in a 4 match series and two raging turners were provided with India losing one on it.
Against NZ, two raging tuners were provided and India lost both.

This has been pattern for India home series for long time now with few raging turners thrown in between regular tracks.
Ashwin-Jadeja has delivered on those regular tracks too and won them series after series in 12 year unbeaten run.

When Noman/Sajid can win them home games on regular tracks, we can then evaluate the comparison better.

 

[Justcrazy]

One small observation....

If Ash, Anil, Harbie, Rav Jadz, Akshar et all were taking wickets by the bagfulls.....
ONLY becoz of the spin friendly wickets which morphed them from talent less oafs to world beaters

Why did'nt the opposition spinners do the same?

I mean SL and BD who are pretty spin based teams have never won A SINGLE TEST in India in so many years of trying.....

SENA countries always came on our turf knowing the conditions are gonna favor spin and always have a minimum of 3 spin options - if not more, why did'nt they run throught our lineup?

You guys have a pretty gr8 spin lineage....why did'nt you absolutely slam dunk us everytime you were here?

i mean...2007....hmmm

Indian spinners whom you named , were more accurate. They bowl according to proper plans. Bowl less number of bad balls.

 

[Champ_Pal]

On Bunsen burners like these, any spinner looks world class.

India did a mistake of producing such pitches in the past 6 or 7 yrs. Even average spinners from touring teams also looked unplayable.

Jaddu and Ashwin got bucket loads of wickets on moderate wickets most of their career. So to call them overrated is a bit unjustifiable.

 

[sindhiboy]

On Bunsen burners like these, any spinner looks world class.

India did a mistake of producing such pitches in the past 6 or 7 yrs. Even average spinners from touring teams also looked unplayable.

Jaddu and Ashwin got bucket loads of wickets on moderate wickets most of their career. So to call them overrated is a bit unjustifiable.

True.
Ashwin and Jadeja have 5 fers on flat surfaces. The England series in 2016 is one example where they shined on highway pitches.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Let’s be honest - it is far easier for an Indian cricketer to pull wool on everyone’s eyes and make himself look like a legendary cricketer.

It is far, far harder for players from other countries. Almost every Indian cricketer would have had a lesser reputation and lesser fan following if they played for another country.

Same applies to great cricketers from other countries. They would be a lot bigger and viewed way differently if they were Indian.

Mamoon bhai, it’s Pakistani Youtubers who overrate Bharatiya cricketers more than anyone. One half decent performance and Pakistani youtuberw come out hailing our mediocre cricketers as if they’re second coming of Michael Jordan or something. Even some Pakistani posters here get onto the hype train too early when it comes to our cricketers.

 

[Bhaijaan]

What the hell kind of pitches are these?

@Major @Cpt. Rishwat @DeadlyVenom @mominsaigol @Bewal Express @Slim

 

[Bewal Express]

What the hell kind of pitches are these?

@Major @Cpt. Rishwat @DeadlyVenom @mominsaigol @Bewal Express @Slim

Awful. It's brought results but the quality of cricket is awful.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Awful. It's brought results but the quality of cricket is awful.

Winning should be meaningful. Honestly these pitches are a lottery.

 

[Ab Fan]

Jadeja averages 37.5 with bat at home. Why this doesn’t get mentioned? Pitches don’t always become flat when he comes to bat. He is a proper all rounder and he has shown it time and again.

Of course most all rounders do better home than away so nothing new.

 

[BDfanforever]

Yes, I firmly believe in the OP now. Test Cricket is technically meant to be played in SENA like pitches, which is why the Final is always played in England. The problem with Asian teams was that they could never ever compete with SENA + WI on pace bowling besides Pakistan to certain extent. So what they decided to do was create these super spin friendly pitches where even mediocre spinners can wreck havoc.

 

[Slim]

Awful. It's brought results but the quality of cricket is awful.

Quality of cricket is bazball scoring 600+? Are you a Babar fan by any chance?

 

[Slim]

What the hell kind of pitches are these?

@Major @Cpt. Rishwat @DeadlyVenom @mominsaigol @Bewal Express @Slim

india has been doing this for decades. Why do you sound so shocked?

 

[Bewal Express]

Quality of cricket is bazball scoring 600+? Are you a Babar fan by any chance?

I am a big fan of Babar. Do you have a problem with that.
There is happy medium between the extremes? If we can't beat this awful Windies team on normal our wickets then what cam i say.

 

[Slim]

I am a big fan of Babar. Do you have a problem with that.
There is happy medium between the extremes? If we can't beat this awful Windies team on normal our wickets then what cam i say.

Babar fan and a PTI fan as well. Nice. You are free to your opinion buddy.

 

[Bewal Express]

Babar fan and a PTI fan as well. Nice. You are free to your opinion buddy.

Absolutely. Love them both. You stick with NS and Faheem Ashraf

 

[topspin]

I am a big fan of Babar. Do you have a problem with that.
There is happy medium between the extremes? If we can't beat this awful Windies team on normal our wickets then what cam i say.

Just admit you're not happy about these pitches because Babar can't score runs against spinners on turners.

If you cared about the best interests of Pakistan cricket, you wouldn't be saying such things.

It seems you support Babar more than the Pakistan team.

 

[Bewal Express]

Just admit you're not happy about these pitches because Babar can't score runs against spinners on turners.

If you cared about the best interests of Pakistan cricket, you wouldn't be saying such things.

It seems you support Babar more than the Pakistan team. Just like how you support your politicians more than the well-being of Pakistan.

Babar has to fend for himself. I didn't like the Ind dust bowlers either but I don't remember Babar playing on those awful wickets.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You should know freelancer bhai, india has been doing this for decades. Why do you sound so shocked?

This is the first time that 20 wickets have fallen in day 1 on Asia.

India has not been doing this for decades. No other team has stopped this low.

 

[Slim]

Absolutely. Love them both. You stick with NS and Faheem Ashraf

I dont like either of them, let alone a fan.

 

[Slim]

This is the first time that 20 wickets have fallen in day 1 on Asia.

India has not been doing this for decades. No other team has stopped this low.

Our bowlers are better and our batsmen are worse than Indians? Why is it hard to follow? Windies have a terrible batting lineup as well, actually worse than ours.

 

[Bewal Express]

I dont like either of them, let alone a fan.

Apparently no one likes NS when I challenge them.

 

[Slim]

Apparently no one likes NS when I challenge them.

World doesnt work in binary.

 

[Bhaijaan]

You should know freelancer bhai, india has been doing this for decades. Why do you sound so shocked?

We did and in my mind Michael Clarke, Joe Root freak spells still haunt me.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Our bowlers are better and our batsmen are worse than Indians? Why is it hard to follow? Windies have a terrible batting lineup as well, actually worse than ours.

Jomel Warrican is the leading wicket taker. Do you think he is also better than Indian bowlers?

 

[Rajdeep]

Looks like Pakistani version of Ashwin and Jadeja were short lived and PCB will revert back to better pitches

 

[baba ghazi]

this match actually proves why ashwin jadeja are great bowlers and sajid and noman have lot to catch up.. they need to have some variations otherwise they will never be able to get lower order or aggressive middle order bats

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Looks like Pakistani version of Ashwin and Jadeja were short lived and PCB will revert back to better pitches

They are equal to Ashwin and Jadeja but unfortunately Warrican is equal to Murali and Warne

 

[Buffet]

Spinners in this series



Great Pakistani trio of Noman, Sajid and Abrar have done fantastic. ATG Warrican is averaging 9 runs per wickets with 19 wickets. What a deadly SR. All 4 bowlers have SR in 20s.

Is there any other example of 2 tests series where 4 bowlers have SR in 20s with 50 wickets between them?

 

[Varun]

Forget Ashwin/Jadeja, Sajid and Noman have left Warne/Murali in the dust.

 

[dravidthewall]

I go with following order greatest spinners in the world

1) Nauman chacha
2) Sajid Khan /Muralitharan
3) Shane warne
4) Ashwin
5) Jadeja

 

[Buffet]

They are equal to Ashwin and Jadeja but unfortunately Warrican is equal to Murali and Warne

Murali and Warne? Nah, you are looking at a totally different level.



The 3 lowest SR by spinners since 1970 - (2+ tests and 15+ wickets)

All 3 came in one series ( WI-Pak 2025 )

Noman - SR 21
Warrican - SR 22
Sajid - SR 26


I doubt that 3 bowlers at the same time can do better in one series. It will be unmatched in record books for decades.

Noman and Sajid had SR in 20s in Eng series as well. A few more of these and the peak of Noman/Sajid will be better than IK/Waqar.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistanis need to understand the difference between spinning pitches and lottery pitches.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Murali and Warne? Nah, you are looking at a totally different level.



The 3 lowest SR by spinners since 1970 - (2+ tests and 15+ wickets)

All 3 came in one series ( WI-Pak 2025 )

Noman - SR 21
Warrican - SR 22
Sajid - SR 26


I doubt that 3 bowlers at the same time can do better in one series. It will be unmatched in record books for decades.

Noman and Sajid had SR in 20s in Eng series as well. A few more of these and the peak of Noman/Sajid will be better than IK/Waqar.



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We must be privileged to witness such spin titans at their peak.....

 

[Mesozoic]

Well well well another delusional thread ends up in tears.

Can't even win against a bottom ranked and under strength West Indies side but but these mediocre oldies are somehow as good as Ashwin and Jadeja who won every series in the subcontinent for 11 freaking years.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

We need to prepare against ATGs Warrican and the other guy, west Indies is touring India this year.

 

[Rajdeep]

Murali and Warne? Nah, you are looking at a totally different level.



The 3 lowest SR by spinners since 1970 - (2+ tests and 15+ wickets)

All 3 came in one series ( WI-Pak 2025 )

Noman - SR 21
Warrican - SR 22
Sajid - SR 26


I doubt that 3 bowlers at the same time can do better in one series. It will be unmatched in record books for decades.

Noman and Sajid had SR in 20s in Eng series as well. A few more of these and the peak of Noman/Sajid will be better than IK/Waqar.



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He was being sarcastic...LOL

 

[corleone]

The series draw wasn't down to the performances of Sajid and Noman.

Our batsmen were pathetic. You don't deserve to win a series where only two batsmen manage a 50+ score. Yes it was a rank turner but you apply yourself and make a contribution towards a 200+ score.

Captaincy was poor also- from 50/8 to 160 should not be happening anywhere in the world.

Babar has been horrible for several years now. I don't know if the guy isn't interested in improving his game or if his age is fudged (surely if not if he's came through the grassroots system), but you can almost guarantee a slow leftie will have his number.

 

[Buffet]

He was being sarcastic...LOL

I know.

 

[BDfanforever]

Maybe this thread have some points after all?

 

[ElRaja]

noman is a higher tier than sajid. ashwin and jadeja have a long record on their side. noman wont play long enough to have a meaningful comparision to those two.

 

[tiger_khan]

Although Indian pitches have made Ashwin and Jadeja look even better but they are still good bowlers

They are no Anil Kumble

Even Axar Patel's average is less than 20, under the current Indian pitches. He is a good bowler too but not good enough to have an average of less than 20. That tells you the role of the recent pitches in Ashwin's and Jadeja's careers.

 

[Buffet]

Although Indian pitches have made Ashwin and Jadeja look even better but they are still good bowlers

They are no Anil Kumble

Even Axar Patel's average is less than 20, under the current Indian pitches. He is a good bowler too but not good enough to have an average of less than 20. That tells you the role of the recent pitches in Ashwin's and Jadeja's careers.

I got curious to see how differently Ashwin and Jadeja performed in recent years versus early years in their home grounds.

2011-2018 in India,

Ashwin - Avg 22
Jadeja - Avg 20
Indian batsmen avg - 42 runs per wicket

2019 - till date in India,

Ahswin - Avg 20
Jadeja - Avg 22
Indian batsmen avg - 38 runs per wicket

It does not look like recent years or early years have any noticeable difference for Ashwin and Jadeja. Both have averaged 20-22 range in both periods.

I think Axar averaging low is pretty much due to him playing as 3rd spinner and pitch has to be big turning one for him to play. He has also played only in recent years.

 

[tiger_khan]

I got curious to see how differently Ashwin and Jadeja performed in recent years versus early years in their home grounds.

2011-2018 in India,

Ashwin - Avg 22
Jadeja - Avg 20
Indian batsmen avg - 42 runs per wicket

2019 - till date in India,

Ahswin - Avg 20
Jadeja - Avg 22
Indian batsmen avg - 38 runs per wicket

It does not look like recent years or early years have any noticeable difference for Ashwin and Jadeja. Both have averaged 20-22 range in both periods.

I think Axar averaging low is pretty much due to him playing as 3rd spinner and pitch has to be big turning one for him to play. He has also played only in recent years.

Can you gather stats on how many deliveries each bowled in these two periods and what was batting average of the visiting players?

Also, how many matches included and excluded DRS?

Thanks in advance

 

[tiger_khan]

Can you gather stats on how many deliveries each bowled in these two periods and what was batting average of the visiting players?

Also, how many matches included and excluded DRS?

Thanks in advance

@Buffet also it will be great if we can find out how many wickets Ashwin & Jadeja got in these two periods. Thanks

 

[Buffet]

Can you gather stats on how many deliveries each bowled in these two periods and what was batting average of the visiting players?

Also, how many matches included and excluded DRS?

Thanks in advance

I don't know about DRS, but rounding it up, this is what stats looks like for overs bowled.

First period: Ashwin 1900 overs & Jadeja 1300 overs
Second period: Ashwin 1000 overs & Jadeja 800 overs

 

[Buffet]

@Buffet also it will be great if we can find out how many wickets Ashwin & Jadeja got in these two periods. Thanks

First period ( 2011- 2018)
Ashwin - 234 wickets & Jadeja 144 wickets
Visiting teams avg in India taken together - 26 runs per wicket

Second period ( 2019 - till date)
Ashwin - 149 wickets & Jadeja 102 wickets
Visiting teams avg in India taken together - 22 runs per wicket

 

[Buffet]

First period ( 2011- 2018)
Ashwin - 234 wickets & Jadeja 144 wickets
Visiting teams avg in India taken together - 26 runs per wicket

Second period ( 2019 - till date)
Ashwin - 149 wickets & Jadeja 102 wickets
Visiting teams avg in India taken together - 22 runs per wicket

@tiger_khan : your questions got me thinking to compare spinner and pacers for both periods.

First period - Indian pacers at home : 31 runs per wicket
First period - Indian spinners at home: 23 runs per wicket

Second period - Indian pacers at home: 21 runs per wicket
Second period - India spinners at home: 21 runs per wicket

Yes, more turning pitches has helped Indian spinners but it brought down avg from 23 to 21. Not a huge drop. Avg of 23 was fantastic as well.

Main difference is just a huge transformation of pace attack after Bumrah dubuted. Pace unit average dropped from 31 to 21. Yes, they do bowl less than spinners, but when they bowl they are as effective as spinners. It's mainly the pacers who have made Indian bowling much better at home in recent years and they have picked up 30-40% of total wickets as well.

 

[tiger_khan]

First period ( 2011- 2018)
Ashwin - 234 wickets & Jadeja 144 wickets
Visiting teams avg in India taken together - 26 runs per wicket

Second period ( 2019 - till date)
Ashwin - 149 wickets & Jadeja 102 wickets
Visiting teams avg in India taken together - 22 runs per wicket

Thanks for sharing the info

As per your figures

Overs per wicket :-

2011 - 18
Ashwin = 8 overs
JAdeja = 9 overs

2019 - 25
Ashwin = 6.3 Overs
Jadeja = 7.4 overs

My opinion is that the strike rate of these spinners improve in the later period because of the pitches assisting them.
It will be interesting to see how many fast bowlers got 4W, 5W and 10 Wicket hauls in these two periods along with how many man of the match were awarded to spinners vs fast bowlers for the same era.

 

[Buffet]

Thanks for sharing the info

As per your figures

Overs per wicket :-

2011 - 18
Ashwin = 8 overs
JAdeja = 9 overs

2019 - 25
Ashwin = 6.3 Overs
Jadeja = 7.4 overs

My opinion is that the strike rate of these spinners improve in the later period because of the pitches assisting them.
It will be interesting to see how many fast bowlers got 4W, 5W and 10 Wicket hauls in these two periods along with how many man of the match were awarded to spinners vs fast bowlers for the same era.

Only 5-6 Indian pacers have gotten MOM one time in India in this period( after 2018). Rest of the MOM is pretty much spinners or batsmen. Top ones are - Jadeja with 9, Kohli with 7 and Ashwin with 4. I also think in case of Jadeja it's his batting coming at same time helps him to bag MOM as well.

From 2011-2018 period, it was KOhli with 6 MOM followed by Ashwin/Jadeja 5 each. I see only twice any pacer getting MOM.

 

[Buffet]

Thanks for sharing the info

As per your figures

Overs per wicket :-

2011 - 18
Ashwin = 8 overs
JAdeja = 9 overs

2019 - 25
Ashwin = 6.3 Overs
Jadeja = 7.4 overs

My opinion is that the strike rate of these spinners improve in the later period because of the pitches assisting them.
It will be interesting to see how many fast bowlers got 4W, 5W and 10 Wicket hauls in these two periods along with how many man of the match were awarded to spinners vs fast bowlers for the same era.

That's true. SR 49-54 became 41-47 for Ashwin/Jadeja.

 

[Hawkeye]

I got curious to see how differently Ashwin and Jadeja performed in recent years versus early years in their home grounds.

2011-2018 in India,

Ashwin - Avg 22
Jadeja - Avg 20
Indian batsmen avg - 42 runs per wicket

2019 - till date in India,

Ahswin - Avg 20
Jadeja - Avg 22
Indian batsmen avg - 38 runs per wicket

It does not look like recent years or early years have any noticeable difference for Ashwin and Jadeja. Both have averaged 20-22 range in both periods.

I think Axar averaging low is pretty much due to him playing as 3rd spinner and pitch has to be big turning one for him to play. He has also played only in recent years.

That still does not change the fact that dust bowls and turners helped them.

India still had the same pitches in the first period. They were not uber flat or anything.

@Mamoon ‘s point still stands valid and if we had such pitches plus spinners for the past decade things would have been different.

 

[BDfanforever]

I remember Axar destroyed England in this series.

@tiger_khan : your questions got me thinking to compare spinner and pacers for both periods.

First period - Indian pacers at home : 31 runs per wicket
First period - Indian spinners at home: 23 runs per wicket

Second period - Indian pacers at home: 21 runs per wicket
Second period - India spinners at home: 21 runs per wicket

Yes, more turning pitches has helped Indian spinners but it brought down avg from 23 to 21. Not a huge drop. Avg of 23 was fantastic as well.

Main difference is just a huge transformation of pace attack after Bumrah dubuted. Pace unit average dropped from 31 to 21. Yes, they do bowl less than spinners, but when they bowl they are as effective as spinners. It's mainly the pacers who have made Indian bowling much better at home in recent years and they have picked up 30-40% of total wickets as well.

That Umesh Yadav guy was also pretty good at home I think. Axar destroyed England in this series.

 

[Buffet]

That still does not change the fact that dust bowls and turners helped them.

India still had the same pitches in the first period. They were not uber flat or anything.

@Mamoon ‘s point still stands valid and if we had such pitches plus spinners for the past decade things would have been different.

Indian batting is actually pretty ordinary against spin. It's not 90s where they had one after another gun batsmen against spin.

Pitches were certainly not the same in all periods otherwise Indina batsmen won't be averaging 42 runs per wicket.

 

[Buffet]

I remember Axar destroyed England in this series.

That Umesh Yadav guy was also pretty good at home I think. Axar destroyed England in this series.

Yah, Umesh has 100+ wickets at avg 25 at home. Reverse at good pace is hard to face. I think that was the main wicket taking delivery for Umesh. Otherwise he has ordinary record when playing outside.

 

[tiger_khan]

That still does not change the fact that dust bowls and turners helped them.

India still had the same pitches in the first period. They were not uber flat or anything.

@Mamoon ‘s point still stands valid and if we had such pitches plus spinners for the past decade things would have been different.

I agree

But still takes the skillset to utilize the conditions. For example, Abrar might take as many wickets as Nauman but his average will be higher.

As the Indian stats prove, there are not many Fast bowlers who got the player of the match in the past decade.
Clearly, the pitches have to do with the success of contemporary Indian spinners but they are skilled bowlers.

I suspect if Maninder Singh, Raju, Ravi Shastri and even if Ojha and Murali Kartik had a long-run with these types of pitches, their records would have been even better too. Particularly Maninder Singh and Murali Kartik.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I was looking for this thread but couldn't find it in the morning

These stats are a simple breakdown of wickets taken when a spinner has taken the new ball. They aren't obviously bang on, as a spinner could come on as first change after 2 overs and still technically be bowling with a new ball, but I believe what they can show us, is that the conditions were so spin friendly that the captain thought a spinner with the new ball would be damaging.

I must say, I knew Ashwin bowled for a bit with the new ball, but I was surprised at the volume of his wickets and the extent of his 5fers in such conditions. I didn't realise it was that much.

 

[Sachin fan]

This (OP) is a weird mentality. Instead of praising their own bowlers for doing so well and out outbowling opposition spinners (and mind you, these spinners are the real deal who have come up through the domestic system unlike overhyped teen sensations), they are using them to pull down indian spinners?

That's an insult to these talented bowlers. Nauman Ali has 45 wickets in just last 5 tests at an average of 15. That's mind blowing. But OP is using him as example of "nothing special"?

Imagine this - south African fans going - does Rabada's performance on SENA pitches prove that Cummins is nothing special?

I hope Pakistani fans really grow up and take pride in their own guys and not just use them as a means to spread hatred and insecurity.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I agree

But still takes the skillset to utilize the conditions. For example, Abrar might take as many wickets as Nauman but his average will be higher.

As the Indian stats prove, there are not many Fast bowlers who got the player of the match in the past decade.
Clearly, the pitches have to do with the success of contemporary Indian spinners but they are skilled bowlers.

I suspect if Maninder Singh, Raju, Ravi Shastri and even if Ojha and Murali Kartik had a long-run with these types of pitches, their records would have been even better too. Particularly Maninder Singh and Murali Kartik.

India have balanced pitches in domestic, they managed to produce decent fast bowlers who could bowl in a variety of conditions.

My main worry with Pakistan is that these idiots like Aqib will ruin our domestic cricket by making every pitch turn square from ball one.

 

[Buffet]

I was looking for this thread but couldn't find it in the morning

These stats are a simple breakdown of wickets taken when a spinner has taken the new ball. They aren't obviously bang on, as a spinner could come on as first change after 2 overs and still technically be bowling with a new ball, but I believe what they can show us, is that the conditions were so spin friendly that the captain thought a spinner with the new ball would be damaging.

I must say, I knew Ashwin bowled for a bit with the new ball, but I was surprised at the volume of his wickets and the extent of his 5fers in such conditions. I didn't realise it was that much.

Just looking at the table you shared, Herath has far better record with new ball. Lower avg than Ashwin. Much higher rate of 5-fers with new ball.

22 tests - 11 5-fers and 5 10-fers at avg of 17.

Just out of the world.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Just looking at the table you shared, Herath has far better record with new ball. Lower avg than Ashwin. Much higher rate of 5-fers with new ball.

22 tests - 11 5-fers and 5 10-fers at avg of 17.

Just out of the world.

I think he still worked in a bank while taking all those wickets.

 

[tiger_khan]

Just looking at the table you shared, Herath has far better record with new ball. Lower avg than Ashwin. Much higher rate of 5-fers with new ball.

22 tests - 11 5-fers and 5 10-fers at avg of 17.

Just out of the world.

Herath is a totally different bowler

The higher level of cricket is about reaching and reading the right length. Herath is exceptional from that perspective. He is the kind of a bowler who can do well in all conditions and all countries on his good day. Too bad that because of Murali he couldn't play a lot of games, which he could have played if he were born in another country

Herath is up there with the likes of Saeed Ajmal. You can bowl him anywhere and everywhere. He was very adaptable.

 

[Bewal Express]

Chacha has shown that he is deadly on these turners. Just imagine Chacha on those bunsen burners in India

 

[saimayubera]

Chacha has shown that he is deadly on these turners. Just imagine Chacha on those bunsen burners in India

Same bunsen burners where Kohli, Pujara etc averaged 60+?

Also Jadeja, Ashwin were lethal in other countries like SL, WI and Bangladesh with multiple 5fers.

Jadeja also averages 29 in Australia and 25 in South Africa. Ashwin averages 28 in England.

Noman averages infinite in Bangladesh and will prolly never play in SENA.

He was averaging something like 50 in 2022 on the flatter pitches vs Eng, Aus, NZ etc. Ashwin/Jadeja averaged in the 20s vs England in 2024 where Jaiswal, Rohit, Gill all averaged above 50.