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Have Sajid Khan & Noman Ali’s performance proved that Ravichandran Ashwin & Ravindra Jadeja are nothing special?

mominsaigol said:
Typical Indian overglorifiers.

Ashwin and jadeja couldn't do anything outside Asia and on spin mambas, same mambas that root took a 5 fer on.

Australia ended Ashwin's career so bad that he retired crying to him mama.

Fraud pitch tampering cricket nation
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Pakistanis can cry all they want but that won't change the reality.

Unless and until Noman-Sajid or some other spinning duo makes them unbeatable at home for 12 years , smashing every team that visits them in every series, they will forever remain under the shoe of Ashwin -Jadeja. That's a cold hard fact.
 
I tend to strongly agree with @Mamoon bhai on this one. Even in Bharat, we have seen how someone like Axar Patel, Washington Sundar came in and delivered just as well. To sustain this success for over a decade and in multiple series against same opponents however is something for which i will respect them more but not being able to replicate this success abroad while every tom dick and ganjupatel is picking 5fers in the subcontinent raises doubts on their true greatness.
 
Rajdeep said:
A little bit of home success against 3rd class teams have gone into the head of Pakistani fans. They should be focussing on improving embarrassing SENA records rather than beating WI side in doctored pitches at home. LOL
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Exactly. These are the same guys who used to undermine India's home success saying "any team can win at home" but now are glorifying a couple of uncle spinners after just one series win. :ROFLMAO:


Typical of them...they also used to undermine India's WC record saying it's just a bunch of one off games, but ended up losing all their marbles after beating us in Dewbai lmao.
 
Mesozoic said:
Pakistanis can cry all they want but that won't change the reality.

Unless and until Noman-Sajid or some other spinning duo makes them unbeatable at home for 12 years , smashing every team that visits them in every series, they will forever remain under the shoe of Ashwin -Jadeja. That's a cold hard fact.
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Noman is 38 and sajid is 31 so it won't happen. And you're the one crying by burning down your own stadiums.

To this day scg and mcg and aussie grounds are untouched while you torch your on.
 
Mamoon said:
Who can forget Michael Clarke’s 6/9. He was bowling like prime Shane Warne.
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To be fair those were before Ashwin Jadeja era.

India have rolled out bunsens for Ashwin and Jadeja too BUT I don't believe they were taking turn from ball 1 in the same way as these Pakistani pitches are.

This pitch is a disgrace.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
To be fair those were before Ashwin Jadeja era.

India have rolled out bunsens for Ashwin and Jadeja too BUT I don't believe they were taking turn from ball 1 in the same way as these Pakistani pitches are.

This pitch is a disgrace.
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India have produced plenty of such pitches against South Africa (2015), Australia (2016), England (2021). I’m sure there are more examples as well.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
To be fair those were before Ashwin Jadeja era.

India have rolled out bunsens for Ashwin and Jadeja too BUT I don't believe they were taking turn from ball 1 in the same way as these Pakistani pitches are.

This pitch is a disgrace.
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Ashwin and Jadeja are great spinners. But they’re not among the greatest contenders spinners because they’re not match winners outside the subcontinent.

Warne, Murali remain levels above for their ability to turn a match on its head anywhere.

To be honest it’s a very very elite company. Way more than batters.

There are many universally great batters, there aren’t many universally great spinners.
 
Mamoon said:
India have produced plenty of such pitches against South Africa (2015), Australia (2016), England (2021). I’m sure there are more examples as well.
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It's pathetic enough for Pakistan to do it but one can argue we have no choice as we have no available fast bowlers and our batting is weak.

The fact India pursued this strategy at home with their allegedly world leading batsmen means they should be thoroughly ashamed.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Ashwin and Jadeja are great spinners. But they’re not among the greatest contenders spinners because they’re not match winners outside the subcontinent.

Warne, Murali remain levels above for their ability to turn a match on its head anywhere.

To be honest it’s a very very elite company. Way more than batters.

There are many universally great batters, there aren’t many universally great spinners.
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Actually Mushtaq Ahmed despite his low total wickets should be featured amongst the elites more than Ashwin.

He has match winning spells in SENA that even Murali was unable to achieve
 
Mamoon said:
India have produced plenty of such pitches against South Africa (2015), Australia (2016), England (2021). I’m sure there are more examples as well.
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Ironically whenever we produced a pitch like that, we may have won the test match by the thinnest of margins but someone random batting AR like Clarke or Root bowled a freak unplayable spell to embarrass us and the performance of our spinners.
 
alick-athanaze is better player than Babar Azam as former player look's good on these doctored pitch compared to Babar who is look's like tailenders .

@Mamoon @Nikhil_cric ?

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Kohli has performed all around the world unlike babar Azam

This is peak time for Babar Azam but he is batting like Tailenders .

:kp
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Kohli is a bang average Test batsman who averages 46 and has less than 10k runs at the age of 36.

If Babar retires from Test with Kohli like numbers, he should be very disappointed with himself.
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli is a bang average Test batsman who averages 46 and has less than 10k runs at the age of 36.

If Babar retires from Test with Kohli like numbers, he should be very disappointed with himself.
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Babar is Tailenders so there is no comparison at all.

:kp
 
This thread is not for discussing Babar Azam and Virat Kohli. Please stay on topic.
 
Shahid Afridi would have been a legendary Test all-rounder had he played for India post 2012 and his Bollywood biopic would have been in production.
 
Mesozoic said:
Exactly. These are the same guys who used to undermine India's home success saying "any team can win at home" but now are glorifying a couple of uncle spinners after just one series win. :ROFLMAO:


Typical of them...they also used to undermine India's WC record saying it's just a bunch of one off games, but ended up losing all their marbles after beating us in Dewbai lmao.
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Whats worse, Uncle Ashwin running during the tough tour of Australia to yap and patronise on his youtube channel or Uncle Noman still serving his country and winning matches like a total chad.

I dont expect a logical response from you though.
 
Slim said:
Whats worse, Uncle Ashwin running during the tough tour of Australia to yap and patronise on his youtube channel or Uncle Noman still serving his country and winning matches like a total chad.

I dont expect a logical response from you though.
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Uncle Noman wasn't even considered good enough to be selected for a tour to Australia that too for a below average team like Pakistan. Sit down. Your uncles barely won 3 games at home.

Ashwin did that for a decade. :rabada
 
Batsman A scores consistently on flat batting wickets for a decade winning his team each and every series on the way.

Batsman B scores one hundred on a similar flat wicket.

Meanwhile the clown fans of batsman B after using all of their single digit IQ - "Arey pie chaan , our batter have exposed your batter with a single knock and therefore he's superior". 🤡
 
Mesozoic said:
Uncle Noman wasn't even considered good enough to be selected for a tour to Australia that too for a below average team like Pakistan. Sit down. Your uncles barely won 3 games at home.

Ashwin did that for a decade. :rabada
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Uncle Ashwin been dancing on the rigged pitches, we just recently learn the art from our indian brothers. Dont worry, we are cooking. I just hope we dont rig the pitch of an ICC tournament tho, now that would be disgraceful. :ronaldo
 
Mesozoic said:
Batsman A scores consistently on flat batting wickets for a decade winning his team each and every series on the way.

Batsman B scores one hundred on a similar flat wicket.

Meanwhile the clown fans of batsman B after using all of their single digit IQ - "Arey pie chaan , our batter have exposed your batter with a single knock and therefore he's superior". 🤡
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Whats a pie chaan? Is it another name of cow dung cake? Like a dung pie?
 
Slim said:
Uncle Ashwin been dancing on the rigged pitches, we just recently learn the art from our indian brothers. Dont worry, we are cooking. I just hope we dont rig the pitch of an ICC tournament tho, now that would be disgraceful. :ronaldo
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So when yours wins on rigged wickets you call it "Winning like a chad" and when ours do it it's called "dancing on rigged pitches".. :ROFLMAO:

Another display of Small dog syndrome from fans of a mediocre 8th ranked team.
 
Pakistan should selected both of them for the champion trophy. They are world best spinners ever to play cricket.

:kp
 
Mamoon said:
Shahid Afridi would have been a legendary Test all-rounder had he played for India post 2012 and his Bollywood biopic would have been in production.
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Nonetheless i think afridi would ve been good player in misbah's uae era too had he continued
 
One thing i d give it to ashwin is that he used to get wickets without conceding runs. Hence is avg is so low
 
The number of matches that Sajid Khan and Noman Ali have played are too low in comparison with Ashwin and Jadeja so a comparison isn't fair but they both have won test matches for their countries and they both are lethal pairing when on spin friendly tracks.
 
It’s good but India produced Pujara and Kohli who were beast at home during the same period when Ashwin and Jadeja destroyed teams at home. In addition, Jadeja and Ashwin have good record with bat too on same pitches.

Do Pakistan have such batsman? Winning vs Windies isn’t enough, let’s see if they can do it vs Australia. That’s a big question.
 
Mamoon said:
Shahid Afridi would have been a legendary Test all-rounder had he played for India post 2012 and his Bollywood biopic would have been in production.
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Yeah India would have used his talent and skills better. Pakistan unfortunately failed to do it to an extent. The world would have seen a more professional Afridi on field not chewing the ball and then defending it by saying that he was smelling it with teeth.
 
Ab Fan said:
Yeah India would have used his talent and skills better. Pakistan unfortunately failed to do it to an extent. The world would have seen a more professional Afridi on field not chewing the ball and then defending it by saying that he was smelling it with teeth.
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I agree with this. Instead of tampering by biting the ball, he would have ran on the pitch like Tendulkar did.
 
Mesozoic said:
Uncle Noman wasn't even considered good enough to be selected for a tour to Australia that too for a below average team like Pakistan. Sit down. Your uncles barely won 3 games at home.

Ashwin did that for a decade. :rabada
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It is better to not be considered in the first place like Norman and have your dignity preserved, than to be considered like Ashwin and then have your dignity violated by getting kicked out of the playing XI and made it to carry drinks and towels on every overseas tour for at least 1-2 Tests per series.

Ashwin finally had enough and retired in retaliation like a petulant child and returned home crying.
 
Mamoon said:
I agree with this. Instead of tampering by biting the ball, he would have ran on the pitch like Tendulkar did.
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:sachin is a convicted ball tamperer but Indian fans threw hissy fit and burned effigies to clear him.

Due to the terrorist threats of crazed :sachin fans the umpire was banned from officiating again and :sachin crime was reduced from ball tampering to cleaning the ball.
 
Major said:
Mamoon, you once said and i qoute, Ashwin is the.."Greatest Asian Test all-rounder of all time. He has now surpassed Imran and Kapil."

in this thread https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...win-be-one-of-the-indian-greats.248150/page-2

And now you are saying he could be nothing special?

What gives?
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I remember debating this with Mamoon. I couldn’t believe it!
I also remember Mamoon saying “Shubman Gill is what Pakistani fans think Babar is” or something along the lines. I debated that with too. And then he flipped on that too.

Mamoon’s got a good deep dive on cricket kind and I enjoy and learn from his posts, but he speaks to soon sometimes.
Buffet said:
Only problem with such theories are,

Indian bowlers with 5 plus tests and 10 plus wickets in India in the last 15 years

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All visiting bowlers with 5 plus tests and 10 plus wickets in India in the last 15 years
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@Red-Indian

Thanks for this data that you couldn’t read yourself.

Ashwin and Jadeja have taken 600 test wickets. The rest of them combined have less on that list. This proves that Indian victories have centered around spin on doctored pitches, as Jadeja and Ashwin have been underwhelming away for the most part.
 
Farabi said:
I remember debating this with Mamoon. I couldn’t believe it!
I also remember Mamoon saying “Shubman Gill is what Pakistani fans think Babar is” or something along the lines. I debated that with too. And then he flipped on that too.

Mamoon’s got a good deep dive on cricket kind and I enjoy and learn from his posts, but he speaks to soon sometimes.

@Red-Indian

Thanks for this data that you couldn’t read yourself.

Ashwin and Jadeja have taken 600 test wickets. The rest of them combined have less on that list. This proves that Indian victories have centered around spin on doctored pitches, as Jadeja and Ashwin have been underwhelming away for the most part.
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It makes 0 sense. First you claim hes better than Imran and now you claim as nothing special
 
Just like Ashwin and Jadeja don't be fooled by Sajid and Noman they all are no way near top of the line.

Herath McGill Swann all better than them
 
Tanvir Ahmed has stated during a TV show that Sajid Khan and Noman Ali don't have the ability and they only took wickets because of the pitch.

 
Ashwin is the leading offspinner of all time and Jadeja is a fine allrounder. After 3 matches you are saying that two unknown bowlers are the same as them. This is just too laughable.
 
India had both these spinners in BGT too, but there both failed to replicate even half as good performance as in India. So apparently they also yearned for tailor made pitches to showcase their wizadry
 
Yes that is right, Ashwin and Jadeja are mediocre because Noman Ali and Sajid Khan have proven that a bowler with 500+ Test wickets and the other with 300+ test wickets are poor because they managed to win 3 Tests with the ball at home. The OP has posted this thread to rile up different section of the posters to the ones he was irritating a year ago. That is his only agenda nothing else. Can't take anything posted by Mamoon seriously or should I say I will never take anything posted by him seriously. If he has posted something like this now wait for a year he will post the opposite of this thread.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
India had both these spinners in BGT too, but there both failed to replicate even half as good performance as in India. So apparently they also yearned for tailor made pitches to showcase their wizadry
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That is true. They need rank-turners to be successful and Sajid and Noman so far are going down the same line. Their real test will be in overseas conditions.
 
I am trying to understand the logic here.

As per the OP:

1. Ashwin is better all rounder than Imran.

2. Sajid and Noman performed similarly like Ashwin would have on broken pitches, hence it proves Ashwin is Mediocre.

3. Imran is top 2 bowler in Pakistani history.


Now as per the above three statements from OP over the course of years, one can logically deduce:

A) Imran is mediocre.
B) Pakistan has produced all mediocre bowlers throughout their test playing history apart from maybe Wasim.

@Major @Hitman @JaDed @jnaveen1980 - What do you guys think?
 
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Lol wut????

Congratulations on butchering the word "logic". Just because you agree with one opinion of a poster means that you have to automatically agree with all the opinions of that poster?

What matters is the post not the poster.
It is absolutely true that Sajid Numan have put Ashwin Jadeja in perspective.
 
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If one were to look at ashwin and jadeja as allrounders then I would acknowledge them as greats since they have had valuable contributions qith the bat.

As bowlers they are nothing special and mostly benefitted from spin mambas.

I would still have Ashwin and jadeja in my Indian test team at home or in Asia in the same way I'd have noman and sajid on pakistani spin mambas.

Ashwin and jadeja are not Atg's in my eyes.

India has only produced one quality bowler( Bumrah) in their entire history.

In test dravid, Sachin, sunny are atg's. Everyone else is good, they are not bad, but the likes of sehwag, Laxman, Kohli Dhoni and many others don't deserve the atg card.

In odi Sachin, kohli, sehwag, Dhoni and a few others are in the atg bracket but most don't deserve to be including rohit.

Add kapil dev if you are counting allrounders.
 
Marooned said:
Lol wut????

Congratulations on butchering the word "logic". Just because you agree with one opinion of a poster means that you have to automatically agree with all the opinions of that poster?

What matters is the post not the poster.
It is absolutely true that Sajid Numan have put Ashwin Jadeja in perspective.
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What does it tell about you when you change your each and every single opinion in a fraction of a second that you have been parroting since more than a decade?
 
Mesozoic said:
Why haven't the Pakistani batters reported Ashwin and Bumrah to the umpires? I know you'll show cowardice and run away as usual when this question gets asked but I'll try anyway. :)
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Make me an umpire and I'd report every Indian bowler.

Siraj for misbehaviour
Bumrah for hyperextension
Ashwin for chucking
Arshdeep for wearing a hat
Shami for balding.

You can't buy me with money.
 
Mesozoic said:
Why haven't the Pakistani batters reported Ashwin and Bumrah to the umpires? I know you'll show cowardice and run away as usual when this question gets asked but I'll try anyway. :)
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Run away :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Like that's ever happened.:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Now back to your question.

You should know its the umpires that are suppose to report actions but as I said its the 💰💰💰💸💸💸💰 that stops it from happening.
 
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The Bald Eagle said:
India had both these spinners in BGT too, but there both failed to replicate even half as good performance as in India. So apparently they also yearned for tailor made pitches to showcase their wizadry
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Haan jee. This the only BGT they ever played in Australia .
 
Are you guys done derailing this thread???

NOW COME BACK ON TOPIC AND TALK ABOUT SAJID/NOMAN VS ASH/JADEJA
 
Let’s be honest - it is far easier for an Indian cricketer to pull wool on everyone’s eyes and make himself look like a legendary cricketer.

It is far, far harder for players from other countries. Almost every Indian cricketer would have had a lesser reputation and lesser fan following if they played for another country.

Same applies to great cricketers from other countries. They would be a lot bigger and viewed way differently if they were Indian.
 
Mamoon said:
Let’s be honest - it is far easier for an Indian cricketer to pull wool on everyone’s eyes and make himself look like a legendary cricketer.

It is far, far harder for players from other countries. Almost every Indian cricketer would have had a lesser reputation and lesser fan following if they played for another country.

Same applies to great cricketers from other countries. They would be a lot bigger and viewed way differently if they were Indian.
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Seems like they were pulling wool on your eyes too brother:

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