Have Sajid Khan & Noman Ali’s performance proved that Ravichandran Ashwin & Ravindra Jadeja are nothing special?

[deep82]

Although the OP has a clear agenda in creating this thread but if you look at the actual comparison between Ashwin/Jadeja and Noman/Sajid, you can clearly see the Pakistan spin twin has only delivered on raging turners as of now. They are stull untested on normal pitches which doesn't mean that they won't deliver on them. But that is still to happen.

India defeated England 4-1 on mostly regular tracks. Not a single raging tuner was provided.
Against Aus at home, India won 2-1 in a 4 match series and two raging turners were provided with India losing one on it.
Against NZ, two raging tuners were provided and India lost both.

This has been pattern for India home series for long time now with few raging turners thrown in between regular tracks.
Ashwin-Jadeja has delivered on those regular tracks too and won them series after series in 12 year unbeaten run.

When Noman/Sajid can win them home games on regular tracks, we can then evaluate the comparison better.

 

[Justcrazy]

One small observation....

If Ash, Anil, Harbie, Rav Jadz, Akshar et all were taking wickets by the bagfulls.....
ONLY becoz of the spin friendly wickets which morphed them from talent less oafs to world beaters

Why did'nt the opposition spinners do the same?

I mean SL and BD who are pretty spin based teams have never won A SINGLE TEST in India in so many years of trying.....

SENA countries always came on our turf knowing the conditions are gonna favor spin and always have a minimum of 3 spin options - if not more, why did'nt they run throught our lineup?

You guys have a pretty gr8 spin lineage....why did'nt you absolutely slam dunk us everytime you were here?

i mean...2007....hmmm

Indian spinners whom you named , were more accurate. They bowl according to proper plans. Bowl less number of bad balls.

 

[Champ_Pal]

On Bunsen burners like these, any spinner looks world class.

India did a mistake of producing such pitches in the past 6 or 7 yrs. Even average spinners from touring teams also looked unplayable.

Jaddu and Ashwin got bucket loads of wickets on moderate wickets most of their career. So to call them overrated is a bit unjustifiable.

 

[sindhiboy]

On Bunsen burners like these, any spinner looks world class.

India did a mistake of producing such pitches in the past 6 or 7 yrs. Even average spinners from touring teams also looked unplayable.

Jaddu and Ashwin got bucket loads of wickets on moderate wickets most of their career. So to call them overrated is a bit unjustifiable.

True.
Ashwin and Jadeja have 5 fers on flat surfaces. The England series in 2016 is one example where they shined on highway pitches.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Let’s be honest - it is far easier for an Indian cricketer to pull wool on everyone’s eyes and make himself look like a legendary cricketer.

It is far, far harder for players from other countries. Almost every Indian cricketer would have had a lesser reputation and lesser fan following if they played for another country.

Same applies to great cricketers from other countries. They would be a lot bigger and viewed way differently if they were Indian.

Mamoon bhai, it’s Pakistani Youtubers who overrate Bharatiya cricketers more than anyone. One half decent performance and Pakistani youtuberw come out hailing our mediocre cricketers as if they’re second coming of Michael Jordan or something. Even some Pakistani posters here get onto the hype train too early when it comes to our cricketers.

 

[Bhaijaan]

What the hell kind of pitches are these?

@Major @Cpt. Rishwat @DeadlyVenom @mominsaigol @Bewal Express @Slim

 

[Bewal Express]

What the hell kind of pitches are these?

@Major @Cpt. Rishwat @DeadlyVenom @mominsaigol @Bewal Express @Slim

Awful. It's brought results but the quality of cricket is awful.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Awful. It's brought results but the quality of cricket is awful.

Winning should be meaningful. Honestly these pitches are a lottery.

 

[Ab Fan]

Jadeja averages 37.5 with bat at home. Why this doesn’t get mentioned? Pitches don’t always become flat when he comes to bat. He is a proper all rounder and he has shown it time and again.

Of course most all rounders do better home than away so nothing new.

 

[BDfanforever]

Yes, I firmly believe in the OP now. Test Cricket is technically meant to be played in SENA like pitches, which is why the Final is always played in England. The problem with Asian teams was that they could never ever compete with SENA + WI on pace bowling besides Pakistan to certain extent. So what they decided to do was create these super spin friendly pitches where even mediocre spinners can wreck havoc.

 

[Slim]

Awful. It's brought results but the quality of cricket is awful.

Quality of cricket is bazball scoring 600+? Are you a Babar fan by any chance?

 

[Slim]

What the hell kind of pitches are these?

@Major @Cpt. Rishwat @DeadlyVenom @mominsaigol @Bewal Express @Slim

india has been doing this for decades. Why do you sound so shocked?

 

[Bewal Express]

Quality of cricket is bazball scoring 600+? Are you a Babar fan by any chance?

I am a big fan of Babar. Do you have a problem with that.
There is happy medium between the extremes? If we can't beat this awful Windies team on normal our wickets then what cam i say.

 

[Slim]

I am a big fan of Babar. Do you have a problem with that.
There is happy medium between the extremes? If we can't beat this awful Windies team on normal our wickets then what cam i say.

Babar fan and a PTI fan as well. Nice. You are free to your opinion buddy.

 

[Bewal Express]

Babar fan and a PTI fan as well. Nice. You are free to your opinion buddy.

Absolutely. Love them both. You stick with NS and Faheem Ashraf

 

[topspin]

I am a big fan of Babar. Do you have a problem with that.
There is happy medium between the extremes? If we can't beat this awful Windies team on normal our wickets then what cam i say.

Just admit you're not happy about these pitches because Babar can't score runs against spinners on turners.

If you cared about the best interests of Pakistan cricket, you wouldn't be saying such things.

It seems you support Babar more than the Pakistan team.

 

[Bewal Express]

Just admit you're not happy about these pitches because Babar can't score runs against spinners on turners.

If you cared about the best interests of Pakistan cricket, you wouldn't be saying such things.

It seems you support Babar more than the Pakistan team. Just like how you support your politicians more than the well-being of Pakistan.

Babar has to fend for himself. I didn't like the Ind dust bowlers either but I don't remember Babar playing on those awful wickets.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You should know freelancer bhai, india has been doing this for decades. Why do you sound so shocked?

This is the first time that 20 wickets have fallen in day 1 on Asia.

India has not been doing this for decades. No other team has stopped this low.

 

[Slim]

Absolutely. Love them both. You stick with NS and Faheem Ashraf

I dont like either of them, let alone a fan.

 

[Slim]

This is the first time that 20 wickets have fallen in day 1 on Asia.

India has not been doing this for decades. No other team has stopped this low.

Our bowlers are better and our batsmen are worse than Indians? Why is it hard to follow? Windies have a terrible batting lineup as well, actually worse than ours.

 

[Bewal Express]

I dont like either of them, let alone a fan.

Apparently no one likes NS when I challenge them.

 

[Slim]

Apparently no one likes NS when I challenge them.

World doesnt work in binary.

 

[Bhaijaan]

You should know freelancer bhai, india has been doing this for decades. Why do you sound so shocked?

We did and in my mind Michael Clarke, Joe Root freak spells still haunt me.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Our bowlers are better and our batsmen are worse than Indians? Why is it hard to follow? Windies have a terrible batting lineup as well, actually worse than ours.

Jomel Warrican is the leading wicket taker. Do you think he is also better than Indian bowlers?

 

[Rajdeep]

Looks like Pakistani version of Ashwin and Jadeja were short lived and PCB will revert back to better pitches

 

[baba ghazi]

this match actually proves why ashwin jadeja are great bowlers and sajid and noman have lot to catch up.. they need to have some variations otherwise they will never be able to get lower order or aggressive middle order bats

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Looks like Pakistani version of Ashwin and Jadeja were short lived and PCB will revert back to better pitches

They are equal to Ashwin and Jadeja but unfortunately Warrican is equal to Murali and Warne

 

[Buffet]

Spinners in this series



Great Pakistani trio of Noman, Sajid and Abrar have done fantastic. ATG Warrican is averaging 9 runs per wickets with 19 wickets. What a deadly SR. All 4 bowlers have SR in 20s.

Is there any other example of 2 tests series where 4 bowlers have SR in 20s with 50 wickets between them?

 

[Varun]

Forget Ashwin/Jadeja, Sajid and Noman have left Warne/Murali in the dust.

 

[dravidthewall]

I go with following order greatest spinners in the world

1) Nauman chacha
2) Sajid Khan /Muralitharan
3) Shane warne
4) Ashwin
5) Jadeja

 

[Buffet]

They are equal to Ashwin and Jadeja but unfortunately Warrican is equal to Murali and Warne

Murali and Warne? Nah, you are looking at a totally different level.



The 3 lowest SR by spinners since 1970 - (2+ tests and 15+ wickets)

All 3 came in one series ( WI-Pak 2025 )

Noman - SR 21
Warrican - SR 22
Sajid - SR 26


I doubt that 3 bowlers at the same time can do better in one series. It will be unmatched in record books for decades.

Noman and Sajid had SR in 20s in Eng series as well. A few more of these and the peak of Noman/Sajid will be better than IK/Waqar.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistanis need to understand the difference between spinning pitches and lottery pitches.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Murali and Warne? Nah, you are looking at a totally different level.



The 3 lowest SR by spinners since 1970 - (2+ tests and 15+ wickets)

All 3 came in one series ( WI-Pak 2025 )

Noman - SR 21
Warrican - SR 22
Sajid - SR 26


I doubt that 3 bowlers at the same time can do better in one series. It will be unmatched in record books for decades.

Noman and Sajid had SR in 20s in Eng series as well. A few more of these and the peak of Noman/Sajid will be better than IK/Waqar.



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We must be privileged to witness such spin titans at their peak.....

 

[Mesozoic]

Well well well another delusional thread ends up in tears.

Can't even win against a bottom ranked and under strength West Indies side but but these mediocre oldies are somehow as good as Ashwin and Jadeja who won every series in the subcontinent for 11 freaking years.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

We need to prepare against ATGs Warrican and the other guy, west Indies is touring India this year.

 

[Rajdeep]

Murali and Warne? Nah, you are looking at a totally different level.



The 3 lowest SR by spinners since 1970 - (2+ tests and 15+ wickets)

All 3 came in one series ( WI-Pak 2025 )

Noman - SR 21
Warrican - SR 22
Sajid - SR 26


I doubt that 3 bowlers at the same time can do better in one series. It will be unmatched in record books for decades.

Noman and Sajid had SR in 20s in Eng series as well. A few more of these and the peak of Noman/Sajid will be better than IK/Waqar.



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He was being sarcastic...LOL

 

[corleone]

The series draw wasn't down to the performances of Sajid and Noman.

Our batsmen were pathetic. You don't deserve to win a series where only two batsmen manage a 50+ score. Yes it was a rank turner but you apply yourself and make a contribution towards a 200+ score.

Captaincy was poor also- from 50/8 to 160 should not be happening anywhere in the world.

Babar has been horrible for several years now. I don't know if the guy isn't interested in improving his game or if his age is fudged (surely if not if he's came through the grassroots system), but you can almost guarantee a slow leftie will have his number.

 

[Buffet]

He was being sarcastic...LOL

I know.