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Have Shadab Khan's all-round abilities put Yasir Shah permanently on the bench?
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This should be the end of Yasir Shah outside the UAE.
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Yasir would have done well in this Test. No point judging shadab by one test on a turning deck.
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On paper yes, but it's likely he will start every away series that is after a UAE series. Later this year for example, we play SL in UAE, I expect Yasir Shah to do fine there being the UAE bully he is, then he would be picked for the 1st Test vs Australia as he would be in 'good form'. Then we'd see his true colours there. Horses for courses is rarely implemented these days
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I wish we can rest Shadab Khan from T20s permanently. The kid will be a permanent fixture in our test/ODIs going forward...
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Should be the end for Yasir outside Asia. Another spinner needs to be developed though to provide some variety and competition. Zafar or Asghar need to be tried out.
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Shadab Khan has done more in one match than Yasir Shah in two games.
Shadab was threatening and pretty economical compared to our other pacers. He did a perfect job.
Yasir should never play outside Asia unless it's London!
Shadab was threatening and pretty economical compared to our other pacers. He did a perfect job.
Yasir should never play outside Asia unless it's London!
The facts strongly argue that outside Asia Shadab Khan is twice as good as Yasir Shah!
On this South African tour......
Yasir Shah:
1 wicket in 2 Tests at an average of 123.00
Strike rate 196.00
Economy 3.76
Shadab Khan
4 wickets in 1 Test at an average of 20.00
Strike rate 32.2
Economy 3.72
Shadab Khan is literally six times as good as Yasir Shah outside Asia.
And for the record:
Yasir Shah in England: 19 wickets @40.73
(Shadab Khan in England and Ireland: 7 wickets @34.43)
Yasir Shah in Australia: 8 wickets @84.00
Yasir Shah in New Zealand: 0 wickets for 61.
Even in England, Yasir only did well on the dry, abrasive surfaces in London in 2016 - he was hopeless in the two Tests in the Midlands.
It's pretty obvious that outside Asia Shadab Khan has much more to offer.
On this South African tour......
Yasir Shah:
1 wicket in 2 Tests at an average of 123.00
Strike rate 196.00
Economy 3.76
Shadab Khan
4 wickets in 1 Test at an average of 20.00
Strike rate 32.2
Economy 3.72
Shadab Khan is literally six times as good as Yasir Shah outside Asia.
And for the record:
Yasir Shah in England: 19 wickets @40.73
(Shadab Khan in England and Ireland: 7 wickets @34.43)
Yasir Shah in Australia: 8 wickets @84.00
Yasir Shah in New Zealand: 0 wickets for 61.
Even in England, Yasir only did well on the dry, abrasive surfaces in London in 2016 - he was hopeless in the two Tests in the Midlands.
It's pretty obvious that outside Asia Shadab Khan has much more to offer.
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He did look more threatening than Yasir but I am concerned about the frequency of the loose balls he bowls. It would be great if the Pak think tank can gradually phase out Yasir in home series and let Shadab be the second, supporting spinner so not only do we have 2 wrist spinners but Shadab can learn about patience from Yasir.
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I am not sure about playing two leg spinners, leg spin is a very difficult art to control and leg spinners are by nature attacking in nature, you can't ask them to contain and do a holding job. Playing two leg spinners is risky and could make the attack one dimensional.
Playing an off spinner or a left arm spinner adds variety and they by nature keep the run rate down as well.
What about Sri Lanka Bangladesh West Indies and other places where Yasir is more effective Shadab will struggle in Australia aswell overall Yasir is well ahead and Shadab is above average tailender at best as a batsman.
There are certain places in SENA where he can play ahead of Yasir that's about it.
Even in uae they can play together. I am sure Shadab would have taken more wickets then Asif, he would have contributed in first innings too. Secondly, long tail problem is the reason for 2 series even in uae.
Against NZ, in first match after bowling them out at 150, we only took 74 runs lead, we were 150+ for 3, with Shadab and Faheem, we could have taken 150+ lead and seal the match... Same goes for last test, we were 315/5 and then went to 348/10, only lead of 75, these were all harmless first innings collapses, not day 4/5... Same thing happen last year against SL.
I still think 5 man attack with two allrounders, means 7 batters is lot better and provide safe guard against collapses. We don’t have Kohli or Smith or Pujara who will always chip in, our seniors have poor record. We need insurance of allrounders. Those allrounders are not run of the mill, they keep it tight and take wickets. 5 man attack also means tight control while bowling. It’s no brainer for our team ATM.
This will also allow Babar to develop, he missed so many 100s because of batting with tail all the time.
Fisra time i see that i was wrong and have to admit you were right about Shadab and yasir in SENA.
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Yasir has two match winning performances in england despite an average of 40. Sometimes figures are just figures
Don’t worry, my friend, I spend my entire life being wrong on this forum usually.
I think Yasir Shah needs a rough, abrasive surface to spin the ball. On SENA wickets he gets very little spin.
Shadab is much less of a craftsman, but his higher arm action means that he can spin his googly in any surface, so he’s actually more of a threat outside Asia.
I think Pakistan are incredibly lucky to have Shadab and Faheem emerging now, and I’d use them in every SENA match.
I don’t understand the doom and gloom around this South African tour. It has ended Azhar’s failing career, left Shafiq on life support and finished off Yasir Shah outride Asia. Three positives!
But also there is a core to build around: Shan Masood, Babar Azam, Mohammad Amir, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Shadab Khan, Faheem Ashraf and Mohammad Abbas.
That’s seven of the team for the Perth and Adelaide Tests already locked in.
Add back Haris Sohail, Sarfraz Ahmed, Mohammad Rizwan and another opener and you have a pretty good side!
Actually I’d argue that without Yasir you wouldn’t have lost at Trent Bridge and Edgbaston.
Yasir’s matchwinning performances at Lords and The Oval weren’t all that - Misbah and Younis actually won those games.
Even at those grounds I’d prefer Shadab now.
He hardly ripped through the top order and won the match taking wickets of lower order batsmen once the match is gone doesn't do much and both Faheem and Shadab failed in the first innings the crunch time when the team needed the runs.
Long term they will do better than normal tailenders but in UAE contributing with the ball is a must as it puts extra pressure on the main bowlers.
It's about finding the right balance Bilal will be dropped soon unless he improves his batting a left arm spinner is probably better than 2 leg spinners but one who can be a genuine bowling all rounder.
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Yah ofcourse a 10 fer 130 and ans and 5 fer in the 4th innings didnt win us the match.
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Shadab is not cut out for test matches. His batting in test matches is not proven. Right now, he is just laughing and looking like he is out in net practice.
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It won't be hard to beat an average of 123 btw
) What happened to your theory of 7,8,9 adding 60 in the first innings ?
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Could be Yasir's last series outside Asia. Shadab is making most of the opportunity.
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He adds great balance to the side, whereas Yasir was almost playing as a specialist tailender if you look at his meagre contribution with the ball.
It won't be hard to beat an average of 123 btw
What happened to your theory of 7,8,9 adding 60 in the first innings ?
Worked pretty well in the second innings.
Shadab and Faheem had good bowling figures too! Certainly better than Yasir Shah and Hasan Ali!
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They both went at nearly 4 an over. That isn't good enough.
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Both are not good enough, but Yasir has utility on Asian pitches.
To be honest, worst part of this series was pace of our pacers, what really killed us is 15K difference in pace, skill was not major issue, but trundlers of epic portion was difficult to bare...
None of the pacers standout thanks to their fitness level, hence they all look the same...
Amir is finished, knee issues are getting worse, he is dead man walking, how long who knows... Afridi will take couple of years to develop, rest were always rubbish...
Faheem and Shadab are must for us to save from many defeats everywhere. I am against 6-4 formula, it does not works for us, not even in uae.
What did you make of Shadab the glorified tail ender his batting looked like a pure no 11.
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Excellent analysis. It's easy to go with the flow after seeing an 8fer in UAE quite 1-2 months ago however having seen Yasir bowl in NZ and Aus like yourself I knew he was going to be useless anywhere outside SENA + WI. This is because he doesn't bowl a big leg break and doesn't have any mystery to deceive batsmen with his varieties like a googly, flipper and etc. It's either a small leg break or top spinners - that will only work on receptive surfaces and ideally low bounce pitches since his target dismissals are lbw and bowled. Outside Asia you need to be able to involve fielders around the bat with bounce and etc.
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Cheap runs against attacking fields with the game lost means nothing. We saw his batting under pressure in the Asia Cup.
We get excited very quickly. I expect his batting to go downhill from here.
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I think we're holding Shadab to a much higher standard than he should be which is unfair on him. His competition is Yasir and if you compare the two, Shadab blows Yasir out of the water in non Asian conditions. Even if Shadab scored his runs under no pressure, you just have to look at whether Yasir would've been able to do the same in the same situation? The answer is an emphatic no. Shadab got 6 wickets in the match and scored 52 runs. That is gold standard contribution once you compare it to Yasir.
I think his batting is much more suited to test plus, even though he didn't get much runs in the first innings he still looked decent for a tail ender and the last line is more of you hoping. Anyways it doesn't matter as he's a glorified tail ender anyway. Glorified tail ender with 50s in England and could have had another here so I will take it.
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UAE pitches.
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We need a fast bowling all-rounder for overseas. Someone like Stokes, Pandya or Curran. Faheem is not the answer and Shadab is misfit for the role.
Shadab should aim to replace Yasir in Asia in a couple of years.
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Decent innings today it seems. And people saying that Shadab has a habit to bowl bad balls, please bear in mind how expensive Yasir Shah is outside of Asia, as well as the fact he doesn't take many wickets! I think he can be a proper test all rounder but in ODI and T20I cricket mainly a bowler capable of scoring a few runs, the position he tends to bat doesn't suit his game as most of the time he comes in is in the death when he is expected to smack it but he isn't really a power hitter. He was promoted in the Asia Cup against Bangladesh and played an awful innings under pressure. But in Tests he's played crucial knocks in tough conditions already, against Ireland and against England, yes Ireland were playing their first test but the pitch wasn't very batsman friendly, Pakistan were struggling and he was new to Test cricket himself.
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You can say what you want, I am not convinced with him, and I don’t like his attitude.
I will be happy to be proven wrong, but I don’t see him establishing himself. I don’t have faith in Pakistani players.
What attitude?
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Well that is a role for Faheem Ashraf or someone else in his place. You need a spinner who can average 25 with the bat irrespective of conditions. Very rarely will you get an ultra green track where you would need to play an all-fast bowling attack. Shadab fits the bill in Tests outside Asia. Yasir doesn't with his batting currently bring worse than Chris Martin.
In Asia, Shadab will never be able to displace Yasir because Shadab doesn't have the control that Yasir has in those conditions. Plus Yasir's record in Asia is exceptional so it makes sense for Yasir to play in Asia.
One of the reason England is rising again because they always play Moin and Strokes regardless on conditions, now Caran has joined that list. This gives them lot of flexibility. Next time they will tour UAE or India they will be lot more competitive.
Reason England has done that is multi-folded:
1. They play way more test than anybody else, 12-14 compare to 6/7 by us. Test Cricket is premium format for them, its their main bread and butter.
2. Their second tier batsmen are not that special, other than Root all are medicore. Frankly their allrounders are better batsman then their main one, no reason for them to play.
3. This has created a competition, inorder to be at national level you have to do two things (actually all three), one is not enough. Even in their ODI team, you got to be chipping in with both. Wood is in danger of loosing place to Archer for WC, if not him Plumkett.
It's not like Shadab and Faheem are out of the world. But they are same level as second tier bowlers or batters, so why waste spot on only one attribute. When you can develop both at same time. Pakistan is loosing way too many matches because of batting collapses, we need allrounders to stop bleeding. Not to mention our bowlers are least fit, they need helping hand for 5th bowler... These are young guys can be developed if we have foresight, if you are waiting for readymade Strokes, that is not going to happen in 50 years. Allrounder is something you have to develop, nothing is free...
If you compare Shadab's bowling to Yasir, they both have flaws. Shadab lacks control and Yasir never spins the ball, he is only useful on abrasive surface that too on day 4/5. ENG did play him well after Lord test and he was completely useless in SA/AUS/NZ. I have said it many times, if you play Shadab along with Yasir in UAE, he will take quite a few wickets too, Yasir does not do anything in first innings either even in UAE...
Faheem bowling is very similar to Hasan. Hasan is more skillful but has terrible control, he does not have brain to be test bowler. PPers think too high of him and that has get into his head, he is pretty useless and harmless bowler. Faheem is less skillful but has better control. Both are not going to set world on fire, but this kind of quality is what we get from FC. All those Mir Hamza and million other trundlers are no better, they all are down right worthless. No point of young or old fast bowler who bowls at 125. I don't get how many 125k fast bowlers team needs?? - At the end we don't have two world class seamer, forget about 4/5. People are so delusional that they don't want to except most fundamental evidence, none of these guys are fast bowlers and we don't have any in the bank. You have to pad the team with allrounders to surrive, keep loosing badly that too at home will not stop unless we are realistic.
Pakistan generally is not very insightful, they are always looking for next Wasim Akhram without looking at ground reality. If we had invested more on Azhar Mahmood back in 2000s rather than Hafeez, Malik, Afridi. If I remember correctly, one of the two test Pakistan has ever won in SA, was the one where Azhar scored 140, yet he never found fixed place in Pakistani team, thanks to brainless Pakistani public and think tank
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Faheem and shadab took wickets and our bowlers fresher... It ll be great to see them in Pakistan team more often or some other young all-rounder
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Exactly.. don’t know how people come up with these statements
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We are taking about the best leggie in test cricket just now..200 wickets in no time.. Shadab has undoubted talent especially in LOIs but a long way to go b4 he can take Shah’s place ps if Yasir can’t perform in places outside Asia then Shadab has no chance lol
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Shadab Khan with his batting abilities is a must at no.6 in this Pak side, Yasir or no Yasir.
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