Have the Kiwis lost their dominance at home?

[stevewittry]

Kiwis traditionally have been a very strong team and virtually unbeatable at home. They leverage their home conditions to the fullest - the conditions generally favouring swing bowling, the odd ground dimensions and the miniature sized boundaries. They have the players to take full advantage of these conditions and have been the reasons for their dominance.

However in the current series, they seem to be not so prepared. The pitches have been flat and also assisting spin bowlers more than it should, their top order horribly out of form have helped India gain first blood.

Do you think the Kiwis are no longer a force in ODI cricket under home conditions ?

 

[stevewittry]

Getting beaten in a close encounter is one thing but being thrashed by 8 wickets and 100 odd runs at home is minnow level and hardly the dominance that we would expect of the Kiwis at home.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

) You people rock.

Just like Aussies are back to their best against SL, wait till another team visits Kiwi land. Every-time IND does well you people label it as opposition have gone down

 

[Chokli]

lose 2 matches and they've lost their dominance permanently.

what is wrong with some of you?

 

[stevewittry]

As I said not the loss itself but the manner of these losses make me believe that they have losing their home dominance.

Indian bowling though good but nowhere near the all time Aussie or Windies attack. Hence no reason for a dominant side being demolished in this manner.

A tail ender like Bracewill scored a 30 ball 50 thus showing how bad the main batsmen have been.

 

[Ab Fan]

They are up against the best team of this era.

They also lost at home to England. That was 2-3 but one win was due to Taylor's heroic.

So, while they can smash weaker teams like Pakistan and SL at home, they have found it not as easy against the two best odi sides of this era.

 

[Chokli]

As I said not the loss itself but the manner of these losses make me believe that they have losing their home dominance.

Indian bowling though good but nowhere near the all time Aussie or Windies attack. Hence no reason for a dominant side being demolished in this manner.

A tail ender like Bracewill scored a 30 ball 50 thus showing how bad the main batsmen have been.

can't compare the two.

india's bowling is the best attack IN THIS GENERATION

 

[stevewittry]

If I recall correctly, the Kiwis team white washed a supposedly dominant Indian side (with MSD at the helm) 4-0 in 2014.

This Kiwi side is just a shadow of the 2014 team.

 

[stevewittry]

This is because they are not playing against minnows like Pakistan.

Pakistan is a dangerous side given their unpredictability. On their day they can beat the best of the best sides.

Although beaten in test series, they performed much better than expected and in fact dominated their fast bowling. The results dont do justice to their performance. Imam, Sami, Babar and Shafiq had all performed well. As I type in, they are dominating the 4th ODI at Wanderers and also were robbed off a victory in 3rd ODI after scoring 300+

It would be disrespectful to call PAK a minnow.

 

[Shandarchowka]

Kiwis are just being exposed. The chinks in the armor are out. India have set the template how to go about in NZ, expect teams to follow the same template in the future.

 

[Varun]

They're still using the 2015 McCullum template.

Except that they don't have McCullum, Elliott, Vettori, and others who were the cornerstones of that template.

 

[dravidthewall]

Nz beat pakistan in their home ...what op is talking

 

[Hasan123]

No. India are just a better team.

 

[cricketjoshila]

NZ has not even lost the series. Whats with the overreaction?

 

[saeed5646]

Nz beat pakistan in their home ...what op is talking

Which kiwi team beat pakistan in odi series at uae recently .Next time do check the result .pakistan was robbed a series victory due to rain and the series ended 1-1.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Lol, nope.

They're one of the favourites for semis apart from Eng and Ind.

It's just that they're facing a better team.

Look what they did to Pak last year.

And, wait for them to play Bangla after this series.

Williamson and Taylor alone will score 200 runs each against Bangla, in a 3 match series.

 

[Stalin]

Lol no. They are playing a team which is at the peak of its powers even when it has a dud middle order. All teams (may be bar England) will lose home and away to this Indian side.

 

[Sachin136]

Which kiwi team beat pakistan in odi series at uae recently .Next time do check the result .pakistan was robbed a series victory due to rain and the series ended 1-1.

Pakistan lost 0-5 in NZ. By "in their home", he obviously meant NZ as this thread is about NZ supposedely being weak at home. Please follow the discussion.

And Pakistan are well known for losing a match from nowhere. That match was certainly not out of NZ's reach if it hadn't rained.

 

[saeed5646]

Pakistan lost 0-5 in NZ. By "in their home", he obviously meant NZ as this thread is about NZ supposedely being weak at home. Please follow the discussion.

And Pakistan are well known for losing a match from nowhere. That match was certainly not out of NZ's reach if it hadn't rained.

Feel your fustration after todays game.Nevertheless i thought he was talking about uae


Newzealand have never chase in asia anything like that in entire history . Munro was already gone i believe you sir.

 

[xricket]

Kohli, Bumrah & Yadav happened. Others just chipped in. That's how they are winning it.

 

[Sachin136]

Kohli, Bumrah & Yadav happened. Others just chipped in. That's how they are winning it.

Kohli hasn't done much yet and Bumrah isn't playing. This has been a pure team effort.

 

[Sachin136]

It is better than away test record of 23/5 since 2011��������

Where are you getting your numbers from? India has won 13 away tests since 2011.

 

[Stalin]

Feel your fustration after todays game.Nevertheless i thought he was talking about uae


Newzealand have never chase in asia anything like that in entire history . Munro was already gone i believe you sir.

Lol . You win one game and assume that we're frustrated. We've already won 5-1 there and you've yet to win .
Just imagining how much frustration our team is giving you, given that we're winning comprehensively in a country where your team got an epic drubbing just last year.

 

[saeed5646]

Lol . You win one game and assume that we're frustrated. We've already won 5-1 there and you've yet to win .
Just imagining how much frustration our team is giving you, given that we're winning comprehensively in a country where your team got an epic drubbing just last year.

Well who was first asian team to win a odi series in Sa .we won it when it no one asian did clearly you are letting your fustration out and intervening in conversation without understanding context .i admire good cricket and happy some body have given reality check to baised nz commies

 

[Stalin]

Well who was first asian team to win a odi series in Sa .we won it when it no one asian did clearly you are letting your fustration out and intervening in conversation without understanding context .i admire good cricket and happy some body have given reality check to baised nz commies

I'm not frustrated brother. I have no reason to get frustrated. Even I admire good Cricket and bow my hat down to Pak for beating SAF for the first time in pink.

I've just replied to your assumption of Indians getting frustrated with your win . It's 2-2 still and this can go any where. Make sure you're not gonna look silly cometh Wednesday.

 

[saeed5646]

I'm not frustrated brother. I have no reason to get frustrated. Even I admire good Cricket and bow my hat down to Pak for beating SAF for the first time in pink.

I've just replied to your assumption of Indians getting frustrated with your win . It's 2-2 still and this can go any where. Make sure you're not gonna look silly cometh Wednesday.

Now you are generlizing thing .it was only for particular poster so why did i offend you .we play good cricket and won in Sa already if we lose it is nothing to be ashmed of

 

[Hyperion66]

When you play against the biggest and baddest on the planet you lose, simple as that. NZ is still a very good team while India has been the best in all formats for quite some time.

When we play our full strength in WC, I honestly don't see bar England any team putting up any challenges.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Things can happen in one dayers. I don't think they "lost" the dominance. They just played against a better team.

 

[Buffet]

If they win ODI series against most teams then they are still dominating at home. Just losing 2 ODIs doesn't mean that they can't dominate at home.

 

[rhony]

India is a better team than NZ. Rankings reflect it , results too. NZ lost to Eng last year at home. Eng and Ind have pulled away from the rest of the pack and are beating teams for fun at home and abroad. That's the only reason.

 

[JaDed]

Yes and umpires should intervene in such cases and award the match to NZ.

These we're how your previous threads sounded.You are my fav poster btw, because when you are making a thread I know India is winning

 

[PakLFC]

The NZ are still a very good side at home.. Here they are playing a very good side on top form. Knee jerk reaction of some fans are truly laughable

 

[ARK Rafay]

Nope. India is better. In ODIs England and India are formidable

 

[geraltofrivia]

Someone said this Indian bowling is not near the all time aid or wi attack. It is, my friend. It is.

I believe the reason most Pakistanis are not keen to attribute success to this Indian bowling attack is a psychological one. Even if they were a bad team Pakistanis could cling to the fact that they have had better bowlers and Indian bowlers suck and use that as a source of solace amongst the losses. Now not only are these new Indian bowlers better than the current Pakistani bowlers some of them even have a claim to be better than the all time Pakistani bowlers which have been a source of pride for Pakistanis since time immemorial.

If kuldeep and Bumrah continue their trajectory in an all time odi xi the bowling would be wasim waqar Bumrah kuldeep kicking out Shoaib and saqlain. Not really a bowling powerhouse when the old enemy has as many bowlers as yours in the xi. Batting is anyways stacked with Indians.

 

[IAJ]

They have just come up against a very good team. Apart from India and England they still can beat any team at home.

 

[Sin Nombre]

This thread has to be a satire.

They very recently beat Pakistan 5-0 at home, and would do so again.

 

[gh54785]

Waiting for a thread like why are NZ so formidable at home after other teams tour.