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Former Australian batsman Matthew Hayden and former South Africa pacer Vernon Philander have been appointed batting and bowling coaching consultants for Pakistan men’s national cricket team for the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup, Pakistan Cricket Board’s 36th Chairman Mr Ramiz Raja announced on Monday.

“The national side has the potential to win the World Cup and we need to back the side selected for the global event,” he said while addressing media at the National High Performance Centre following his unopposed and unanimous election as PCB’s Chairman.

“We need to fine-tune our plans. Pakistan cricket’s DNA consists fearlessness, and we need to define a proper model and provide clarity to achieve desired results.”

Mr Ramiz Raja announced 192 cricketers with domestic contracts will see an increase of PKR100,000 in monthly retainers across all rungs. This means that domestic men’s cricketers in the 2021-22 season, which begins with the Cricket Associations T20, the Second XI competition, from 15 September at the Quetta’s Bugti Stadium, will now earn between PKR140,000 to PKR250,000 per month, which is an increase of 250 per cent for the players in the D category, the lowest category.

“It is our duty to care for our cricketers and continue to take measures which strengthen our system,” Ramiz said. “This will also play a role in ending any uncertainty surrounding the current cricket structure; the welfare of present and former cricketers is paramount to me.”

In a bid to further strengthen the age-group structure and ensure that young cricketers are fully equipped for the modern-day cricket, Mr Ramiz Raja announced plans to launch an U19 T20 league to develop cricketers from the nascent stages.

“We need to develop an environment in which we generate professional cricketers at young level,” he said. “This will help the HBL Pakistan Super League franchises as well, who are on the lookout for youngsters. I would like the former greats to coach them. We need to give push to the age-group cricketers so they can excel in the sport from the early age.”

Mr Ramiz Raja also said that it was important to improve the quality of pitches at the grassroots level, as they are integral for the development of cricketers.

In a move that will further strengthen the academies structure and provide upcoming cricketers with the desired facilities to enhance their skillsets and improve their fitness levels, Mr Ramiz Raja said high performance centres will be established in interior Sindh and Balochistan.

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Ramiz speaking on the appointment of 2 consultants:

"Matthew Hayden is a former Australian player who can bring in aggression to this team, he has experience of World Cups and is a world-class player himself; Having an Australian in your dressing room can be of great benefit to the team"

"I know Vernon Philander, and is someone who understands bowling and has had some good results against Australia as well and he will provide some good input"
 
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bah.
Michael Hayden has no experience in being a Coach at this level.

Philander is alright, Pollock would have been a better option if available.
 
So, Hayden replaces Misbah as head coach while Philander takes place of Waqar as bowling coach.

And what happen to Saqlain and Razzaq now?
 
BIG NEWS- both of them are sponsored by Bank Alfalah who will pay them their fees. So the PCB won't have to pay a penny. Excellent work from the PCB!!!
 
He just said that these are only available until after the World Cup. So are they not going to be our coaches after the WC?
 
Hayden - Coach for Pak in T20 world cup.

Dhoni - Coach for Ind in T20 world cup.

CSK buddies against one another :srini
 
He just said that these are only available until after the World Cup. So are they not going to be our coaches after the WC?
Sounds more like they have been appointed as consultants, rather than coaches. Rameez mentioned there is also going to be a Pakistani coach with these two, so I guess it’s going to be an on-job training sort of thing for that gentleman.

Appointing a head coach, as Rameez himself mentioned, is a proper comprehensive process and will be done after the WC.
 
No experience whatsoever. I'd have preferred Azhar Mehmood/Ian Pont/Yasir Arafat over Philander any day of the week.

Don't know about Hayden's credentials as well
 
Sounds more like they have been appointed as consultants, rather than coaches. Rameez mentioned there is also going to be a Pakistani coach with these two, so I guess it’s going to be an on-job training sort of thing for that gentleman.

Appointing a head coach, as Rameez himself mentioned, is a proper comprehensive process and will be done after the WC.

Seems like you're watching the presser bro. Can you tell me what he said about Wasim Khan? My internet disconnected at that point. I really hope they persist with Wasim, he has been brilliant in bringing teams like NZ, England, Aus which I didn't think would happen in my life or at least until 2030.
 
So, Hayden replaces Misbah as head coach while Philander takes place of Waqar as bowling coach.

And what happen to Saqlain and Razzaq now?

I think they will also be a part of the coaching staff

That’s some serious cricketers
 
wait what????

Hayden???? And philander?? that is great news.

so where are the pakpassion posters who used to call him trundlander??

These are good signings
 
I knew it,

Pakistan could have gone for Gary Kirsten as an interim coach for the World Cup if they wanted. It’s the long term coaching job that’s the issue and that’s where the options become very limited
 
Is there any chance they'll stay on after the world cup? Or are they definitely just contracted for the period of the tournament?
 
I think they have been appointed as coaches or consultants but not to lead the actual team, brilliant coup, both excellent players in their own right and good to pass knowledge down to the team. More credentials then Misbah for starters as everyone asks and this aint a permanent position.
 
Philander? For T20?

In the UAE?

Why not appoint Tony the Tiger, or Ted Lasso, or Richie Benaud?
 
Hayden is a fearless mindset that is so important.

I just hope Hayden persuades PCB to replace Khushdil and Asif Ali for Sharjeel and Fakhar
 
Seems like you're watching the presser bro. Can you tell me what he said about Wasim Khan? My internet disconnected at that point. I really hope they persist with Wasim, he has been brilliant in bringing teams like NZ, England, Aus which I didn't think would happen in my life or at least until 2030.
Nothing as such about Wasim, the main crux of the press conference has been regarding fixing grassroots level, the system, the process and how our attitude towards playing cricket will definitely change. Players will be given confidence, and the guy has openly said that we need to be prepared for failures.

With regards to Wasim Khan, he shouldn’t be let go of definitely. He has done a lot of good in a short time, despite being a part of this system for not so long. Compare this to leeches like Naseem Ashraf, Zaka Ashraf, Najam Sethi, Sheheryar Khan, Ijaz Butt etc, he has done more than all these losers did combined in their tenures.
 
Any danger of starting to appoint coaches who are, you know, QUALIFIED?
 
btw, hayden and phialander dont have coaching experience. :)

Also, i think this might be consultant roles, because they havent posted any advertisement for caoching positions which is a requirement in Pakistan
 
They are both very much respected cricketers ( esp Haydn) but I'm not sure what they bring to the table as coaches.
 
Yes seems consultant roles, if they do well then will become more of a permanent job after the world cup. Wonder if Saqlain will still be head coach for the T20 World cup?
 
btw, hayden and phialander dont have coaching experience. :)

Also, i think this might be consultant roles, because they havent posted any advertisement for caoching positions which is a requirement in Pakistan

Maybe this was a way to get them into the setup early? Since there wasn't time to do a formal advertisement and interview process. Probably they'll run that process formally afterwards.
 
They are both very much respected cricketers ( esp Haydn) but I'm not sure what they bring to the table as coaches.

Both bring international quality experience and in Hayden multiple winner. As a consultant basis this is fine.
 
Serious cricketers, yes. But can they coach?

From what I understand, Razzaq did very well with his KPK side and Saqlain actually has a lot of international experience as a bowling/spin bowling coach.

Hayden is easily the most experienced (modern cricketer) in the the Pakistan set up. He will know T20 batting better than anyone in the camp so the knowledge he imparts on the batsmen would be crucial as long as they are influenced by it. Also the fact that he has that winner mentality of the GOAT Australia team will be crucial, this guy is a champion cricketer!

Pakistan are blessed to have him, and I hope he stays on after the World Cup in some capacity or another.

As far as Philander is concerned, he is a quality bowler who clearly understands bowling and can definitely teach it. We need to trust the process, Bangladesh haven’t done too bad with big names doing part time jobs for them.
 
Ramiz is the best thing to happen for years.

A Hayden sort of calibre, was unthinkable few months ago.

Direction is changed for the better.

Out of your comfort zones.
 
Ramiz is the best thing to happen for years.

A Hayden sort of calibre, was unthinkable few months ago.

Direction is changed for the better.

Out of your comfort zones.

Come on bro, Wasim Khan deserves appreciation too. He’s been tremendous
 
Hayden is a good choice. We need an Aussie specialy of that 2000s era to instil some vigour in our soft bunch of players.
 
Maybe this was a way to get them into the setup early? Since there wasn't time to do a formal advertisement and interview process. Probably they'll run that process formally afterwards.



Nope, if that happens, the appointment becomes illegal and anyone could go to court.

For head coaches role you have to do an advertisement for the position than hire. This is just a consultant positio n.

If they wanted hayden to be coach than they would had advertised immediately and schduled interviews by next two weeks.
 
Just get Fakhar and Sharjeel on board and get the batting order sorted and define roles for each player. Then Pakistan will perform well in twenty20 WC. Hopefully, these appointed coaches can get playing 11 right.
 
Hayden is a good choice. We need an Aussie specialy of that 2000s era to instil some vigour in our soft bunch of players.

That’s exactly what Ramiz must have told Haydos.

If Razzaq is in the coaching staff then I recon you will see a more positive approach by the Pakistanis as well. Razzaq was a fearless player too
 
"Matthew Hayden is Australian, and has experience of winning World Cups and was a great player himself," Ramiz said. "It might be very beneficial to have an Australian occupying the dressing room.

Vernon Philander I know very well, and he understands bowling, and has a great record against Australia."

This man's stupidity never ceases to amaze.

Not a single thing he mentions is a relevant qualification for specialised coaching roles.

Do Hayden or Philander have any experience of coaching successful teams either internationally or domestically, devising and implementing gameplans, or developing young players ? Do they even have any coaching badges ?

Ramiz has literally hired two of his commentating buddies, replacing one set of novices (Misbah and Waqar) with another.

Of course some of our gullible fanbase will lap this up because "Hayden was an AGGRESSIVE Aussie so our team will become AGGRESSIVE".

If that's the qualifications now needed for Pakistan coaching roles then God help this nation.
 
That’s exactly what Ramiz must have told Haydos.

If Razzaq is in the coaching staff then I recon you will see a more positive approach by the Pakistanis as well. Razzaq was a fearless player too
None of this fearless stuff will get our players anywhere, until they don’t get the required confidence and develop the right skill-sets to play the modern game.

The one thing I did like about Rameez today was he was upfront about how we might struggle even if we go all guns blazin, and how the players need our support when that happens.
 
None of this fearless stuff will get our players anywhere, until they don’t get the required confidence and develop the right skill-sets to play the modern game.

The one thing I did like about Rameez today was he was upfront about how we might struggle even if we go all guns blazin, and how the players need our support when that happens.

How is that accurate though? The one time Pakistan played with no shackles against India (champions trophy final) they totally outclassed them. Mindset makes a big difference. You have to be brave to play the ramp shots, reverse sweeps, looking to dispatch a spinner for 2-3 sixes in an over by attempting slog sweeps etc.
 
This man's stupidity never ceases to amaze.

Not a single thing he mentions is a relevant qualification for specialised coaching roles.

Do Hayden or Philander have any experience of coaching successful teams either internationally or domestically, devising and implementing gameplans, or developing young players ? Do they even have any coaching badges ?

Ramiz has literally hired two of his commentating buddies, replacing one set of novices (Misbah and Waqar) with another.

Of course some of our gullible fanbase will lap this up because "Hayden was an AGGRESSIVE Aussie so our team will become AGGRESSIVE".

If that's the qualifications now needed for Pakistan coaching roles then God help this nation.

What is your problem? Pakistan were deserted by Misbah/Waqar on the 11th hour and were about to go into the T20 World Cup with Razzaq and Saqlain as temporary coaches. They are now going in with Hayden, Philander, Razzaq and Saqlain. The two international coaches are totally reimbursed by a 3rd party so at no cost to the PCB.

Do you see Gary Kirsten or Andy Flower applying for this temporary post?
 
All good, but with the talent at disposal of Hayden, he can't make us win the cup.

Good that Misbah walked away. This team has no talent.

Also, it's fun to see the double standards of those who wanted an "experienced" coach and bashed Misbah, but Hayden literally has zero experience.

I don't care about it though - as long as the person has a good cricketing mind like Hayden or Misbah. All good for me. Shastri also took IND to the top with ZERO experience.

At the end of the day, it's the dearth of TALENT that's bringing us down.
 
All good, but with the talent at disposal of Hayden, he can't make us win the cup.

Good that Misbah walked away. This team has no talent.

Also, it's fun to see the double standards of those who wanted an "experienced" coach and bashed Misbah, but Hayden literally has zero experience.

I don't care about it though - as long as the person has a good cricketing mind like Hayden or Misbah. All good for me. Shastri also took IND to the top with ZERO experience.

At the end of the day, it's the dearth of TALENT that's bringing us down.

Hayden is not a coach? He is a consultant
 
All good, but with the talent at disposal of Hayden, he can't make us win the cup.

Good that Misbah walked away. This team has no talent.

Also, it's fun to see the double standards of those who wanted an "experienced" coach and bashed Misbah, but Hayden literally has zero experience.

I don't care about it though - as long as the person has a good cricketing mind like Hayden or Misbah. All good for me. Shastri also took IND to the top with ZERO experience.

At the end of the day, it's the dearth of TALENT that's bringing us down.

The problem with Misbah was the results did not help.
 
These two May go on to be very helpful, but hiring someone based on their nationality and apparent success against one country is laughable. This is simply not how you do it.
 
Come on bro, Wasim Khan deserves appreciation too. He’s been tremendous

WK has been doing good.

But don’t you feel RR, might get rid of him?

I think Vernon will help our bowlers.

This T20 cup will become interesting.
 
I think it’s all a bit jazz hands and big name shock therapy at the moment. These guys can advise and mentor, but coaching is a different ball game.
 
WK has been doing good.

But don’t you feel RR, might get rid of him?

I think Vernon will help our bowlers.

This T20 cup will become interesting.

Wasim Khan is appointed by the Prime Minister, he cannot be voted or removed by the chairman of PCB. Ramiz Raja’s appointment must have been Wasim Khan’s idea
 
The problem with Misbah was the results did not help.

Results were a lot better than Mickey Arthur, who kept grinding us into the ground.

But, it's not possible to become a top-3 team with the current talent that we have. The likes of Khushdil, Imam etc.

No matter who's the coach.
 
What is your problem? Pakistan were deserted by Misbah/Waqar on the 11th hour and were about to go into the T20 World Cup with Razzaq and Saqlain as temporary coaches. They are now going in with Hayden, Philander, Razzaq and Saqlain. The two international coaches are totally reimbursed by a 3rd party so at no cost to the PCB.

Do you see Gary Kirsten or Andy Flower applying for this temporary post?

I've just described the problem, can you not read ?

They are not "international coaches" either, they haven't even coached domestically.

As for it being a temporary appointment so their lack of qualifications are fine - I'd love to see this logic applied elsewhere.

"Let's hire someone to work as a doctor - don't worry they haven't got any medical qualifications but they've friends who are doctors and it's only for a couple of months..."
 
Wasim Khan is appointed by the Prime Minister, he cannot be voted or removed by the chairman of PCB. Ramiz Raja’s appointment must have been Wasim Khan’s idea

True I think Wasim probably wanted someone who can our Media a run for their money. The way Ramiz just manhandled each one of them, I highly doubt you will read a bad word Around him.

He had Moin Khan and Aqib on his side, 2 huge stalwarts of Pak cricket.

It’s like Sindh and Punjab sat together.

Best line was ‘Kia matlab hai fir, yeh team kharab hai’
 
This man's stupidity never ceases to amaze.

Not a single thing he mentions is a relevant qualification for specialised coaching roles.

Do Hayden or Philander have any experience of coaching successful teams either internationally or domestically, devising and implementing gameplans, or developing young players ? Do they even have any coaching badges ?

Ramiz has literally hired two of his commentating buddies, replacing one set of novices (Misbah and Waqar) with another.

Of course some of our gullible fanbase will lap this up because "Hayden was an AGGRESSIVE Aussie so our team will become AGGRESSIVE".

If that's the qualifications now needed for Pakistan coaching roles then God help this nation.

Imran Khan clearly wants Australia model for cricket in Pakistan. This decision along with many other are
the result of that guiding principle trickling down.

Haydos is as Aussie as you get.
 
I've just described the problem, can you not read ?

They are not "international coaches" either, they haven't even coached domestically.

As for it being a temporary appointment so their lack of qualifications are fine - I'd love to see this logic applied elsewhere.

"Let's hire someone to work as a doctor - don't worry they haven't got any medical qualifications but they've friends who are doctors and it's only for a couple of months..."

Yeah but you need to be pragmatic about the situation, PCB have done really well here considering how MisWaq abandoned them in the 11th hour of a major tournament. There is no fully qualified, experienced coach ready to take this job besides Aqib Javed. How would you like that?
 
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He had Moin Khan and Aqib on his side, 2 huge stalwarts of Pak cricket.

It’s like Sindh and Punjab sat together.
…..;

You mean Moin Khan sat next to Rameez in the presser?

That’s Azam’s ticket booked all right. Maybe for the next year or two.
 
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This man's stupidity never ceases to amaze.

Not a single thing he mentions is a relevant qualification for specialised coaching roles.

Do Hayden or Philander have any experience of coaching successful teams either internationally or domestically, devising and implementing gameplans, or developing young players ? Do they even have any coaching badges ?

Ramiz has literally hired two of his commentating buddies, replacing one set of novices (Misbah and Waqar) with another.

Of course some of our gullible fanbase will lap this up because "Hayden was an AGGRESSIVE Aussie so our team will become AGGRESSIVE".

If that's the qualifications now needed for Pakistan coaching roles then God help this nation.

All disagreements aside, I do commend you for sticking to your stance of "need experienced coaches".

While folks like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] who used the same mantra are now licking their tongue seeing the names, just because they're baahir ke log, even though have NO EXPERIENCE.

I for one don't like this experience thing as long as the person has a good cricketing mind.
 
They have no experience in coaching but for the position of consultants (If that is what it is) maybe you can accept the exception of Hayden. Hayden was an exceptional player and have tons of experience of playing in successful whiteball teams so can be decent but, what exactly Philander brings to the table especially in T20 format which he was never known for?

Yes you can have mentor/consultant without much experience of coaching but you expect that person to be good in the format you are hiring him for and not sure what has Philander achieved in T20s. Hayden can be good but, anyways lets see who are the main/ other coaches with the team.

One thing many will agree on is that both of them technically had really good basics of the game. How they can work with players and guide them is to be seen.
 
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You mean Moin Khan sat next to Rameez in the presser?

That’s Azam’s ticket booked all right. Maybe for the next year or two.


Haha, Rameez and Moin + Aqib had a good hug with a huge smile on their faces.

Azam Khan is going nowhere.

Now people need to understand why Misbah resigned. IN PRINCIPLE.


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Haha, Rameez and Moin + Aqib had a good hug with a huge smile on their faces.

Azam Khan is going nowhere.

Now people need to understand why Misbah resigned. IN PRINCIPLE.


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If Big 3 was a picture
 
No wonder Ramiz told Misbah and Waqar to get lost. Hayden and Philander must have told him that they were willing to work with the team for the T20 WC
 
Haha, Rameez and Moin + Aqib had a good hug with a huge smile on their faces.

Azam Khan is going nowhere.

Now people need to understand why Misbah resigned. IN PRINCIPLE.


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Future head coach and bowling coach right here.
Aqib will be the main player now. Good times for Pakistan fans.
 
Haha, Rameez and Moin + Aqib had a good hug with a huge smile on their faces.

Azam Khan is going nowhere.

Now people need to understand why Misbah resigned. IN PRINCIPLE.


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Misbah is anything but principled. He sat on the same committee which voted not to extend Mickey Arthurs contract and then he applied to replace him therefore shamelessly indulging in conflict of interest.

Then he shamelessly accepts the post of head coach, chief selector and batting coach knowing he is a complete misfit for all three of them.
 
Haha, Rameez and Moin + Aqib had a good hug with a huge smile on their faces.

Azam Khan is going nowhere.

Now people need to understand why Misbah resigned. IN PRINCIPLE.


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Ok, that’s it, Azam Khan will be the next T20 captain of Pakistan by 2023.
 
Rameez’s press conference and initial decisions are in line with his personality and the history of Pakistan Cricket. Always style over substance. Remember, style never lasts. He wins the Press Conference but red flags everywhere.

1. He is behaving less like a Chairman and more like a CEO. Do Co-Ceos work?

2. The reasons for appointing Hayden and Philander have no foundation in any logic or process. Our love and adulation for everything Australian never ceases to amaze me. Oddly no BBL Team, no State, and CA have ever used Hayden for Cricket. Correct me if I’m wrong.
 
Great signings! Some people will never be happy.

Also coaching is at grass roots level .. at the national team there is a need to have people who have been there and done it to provide the inspiration. The presence of a big name in the dressing room can do wonders in my opinion.
 
Any danger of starting to appoint coaches who are, you know, QUALIFIED?

PCB is operating par time coach development institute. First developed Waqar for multiple roles, then revived the international career of long lost Mickey (Yes he had experience) by offering him continuing education corses. Grant Flower, Azhar Mehmood and Misbah Ul Haq are recent graduates. Hayden and Philander is the new batch, lets see if they are for the summer course or full degree program. :smith
 
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