Highest totals batting 2nd in ODIs & 300+ run chases

[Amjid Javed]

Chasing down 300+ runs has been seen as the "norm" now for last Decade, in particular since 2015 where England and new zealand decide to change way ODIs were being approached. whats interesting is 6 of the top 10 top scores batting 2nd in an ODI have ended in those teams losing a game. It just shows ODIs have now reached a new scoring peak and par when it comes to getting runs. Most of highest scores batting 2nd have come since 2015, followed by the last 10 years or within last 20.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/93518.html

2 new balls, highway wickets, less mystery spin, no reverse swing bigger bats, smaller boundaries and fielding restrictions favouring batsmen more.

As a batting side you simply cant coast anymore, with next world cup in india on small grounds, more highways it will be do different.

So to see pakistan do its record run chase today as a team and as a bat unit was great to see, but weve all know since just before the 2019 world cup that You have to be positive and calculated with your Aggression in ODIs now. Days of Anchors/accumulators etc.. has pretty much gone. The game so favoured towards the batsmen as well that if you go hard at bowlers they dont have much to counter act with in return. So i hope today the penny has final dropped with the team.

 

[mon858]

I am not convinced penny has dropped yet. I think if we were batting first we would not have gone for 350. Also today top 3 clicked and their risks paid off. On another day against full strength sides after first 3 wickets down we don't have anything in middle order to still go for 330 plus scores.

Nice to see Intent and chase today but we need to wait and see if it is a one time thing or real tabdeeli.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Highest successful run-chases in ODIs by Pakistan:<br><br>352/4 v Australia today at Lahore<br>329/7 v Bangladesh in 2014 at Mirpur<br>322/6 v India in 2007 at Mohali<br>319/7 v India in 2005 at Ahmedabad<br>311/7 v India in 2006 at Peshawar<br>309/2 v India in 2008 at Karachi<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1509593475980972040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Highest successful run-chases in ODIs by Pakistan:<br><br>352/4 v Australia today at Lahore<br>329/7 v Bangladesh in 2014 at Mirpur<br>322/6 v India in 2007 at Mohali<br>319/7 v India in 2005 at Ahmedabad<br>311/7 v India in 2006 at Peshawar<br>309/2 v India in 2008 at Karachi<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1509593475980972040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Anniversary of the 352/4 vs Australia. What a chase this was!

Highlights

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[MenInG]

So Pakistan chasing 337 tonight

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Only 8 successful 300+ chases by Pak. This is a pretty poor stat.

 

[MenInG]

Only 8 successful 300+ chases by Pak. This is a pretty poor stat.

But not sure how many times 300+ have been scored vs Pakistan?

 

[BunnyRabbit]

But not sure how many times 300+ have been scored vs Pakistan?

Do you have a stat on that?

I can count 3-4 by India and England each from the top of my head.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

The World Cup's going home!

 

[Major]

We used to bash India for fun, no wonder they dont come

 

[MenInG]

 

[The_KING]

I remember when there was a time that you knew Pakistan had lost the match, if they were chasing anything above 250. Now, I feel confident that Pakistan can chase above 300 in ODIs. Obviously, the current era of batting is easier but Pakistan have their best top three in ODIs for a long, long time. Gone are the days of Hafeez, Shehzad, Younis etc and thank God for that.

 

[Firebat]

Do you have a stat on that?

I can count 3-4 by India and England each from the top of my head.

A team has scored a 1st innings total of 300 or more against Pakistan 57 times in ODI history.

Pakistan have successfully chased it down on 9 of those occasions. Success rate of 9/57 - 15.8%.

Above stat includes today's game.

The same stat for other teams:

AUS - 11/37 - 29.7%
ENG - 14/48 - 29.2% (1 tie)
IND - 18/71 - 25.4% (2 N/Rs)
NZ - 11/46 - 23.9% (1 tie)
SA - 8/37 - 21.6%
SL - 10/77 - 13.0%
BAN - 5/54 - 9.3% (1 N/R)
WI - 3/47 - 6.4%

So Pakistan would rank 6th of the major nations in this stat.

 

[ElRaja]

its one thing doing it in a bilateral against a team with no spinners, completely different game in a pressure game against any team with semi decent spinners.

not knocking pakistans performance, its a good habit to get into, but a better habit would be to limit batting line ups to sub 300 more often than not too.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

We used to bash India for fun, no wonder they dont come

Touche!

 

[BunnyRabbit]

A team has scored a 1st innings total of 300 or more against Pakistan 57 times in ODI history.

Pakistan have successfully chased it down on 9 of those occasions. Success rate of 9/57 - 15.8%.

Above stat includes today's game.

The same stat for other teams:

AUS - 11/37 - 29.7%
ENG - 14/48 - 29.2% (1 tie)
IND - 18/71 - 25.4% (2 N/Rs)
NZ - 11/46 - 23.9% (1 tie)
SA - 8/37 - 21.6%
SL - 10/77 - 13.0%
BAN - 5/54 - 9.3% (1 N/R)
WI - 3/47 - 6.4%

So Pakistan would rank 6th of the major nations in this stat.

SL and India have conceded the most 300+ totals. Pak's success rate just eclipses SL's

India have chased the most 300+ totals. Not surprising considering the might of Kohli, Dhoni and Yuvraj.

Aus and Eng have the highest successful rate of chasing the 300+ totals (basically tells you they have shown immense mental strength after conceding 300+)

SA and Aus have conceded the least amount of 300+ totals considering their historically strong bowling lineups.

WI have only chased 300+ totals thrice - once against Ireland, once against Pakistan (2017), once against SA. There's one tied match against India as well.

 

[Firebat]

SL and India have conceded the most 300+ totals. Pak's success rate just eclipses SL's

India have chased the most 300+ totals. Not surprising considering the might of Kohli, Dhoni and Yuvraj.

Aus and Eng have the highest successful rate of chasing the 300+ totals (basically tells you they have shown immense mental strength after conceding 300+)

SA and Aus have conceded the least amount of 300+ totals considering their historically strong bowling lineups.

WI have only chased 300+ totals thrice - once against Ireland, once against Pakistan (2017), once against SA. There's one tied match against India as well.

It's a very interesting stat, there's many ways to break it down. For example, the said record for England in all the years before (and including) the WC 2015 was 3/26. Since then, it's 11/22. Clearly shows the Morgan effect.

Whereas a team like Australia have always had dominant batters. Before the WC 2015 their record was 6/20, and after it's 5/17. Not sure that WC 2015 is the best split point for the data but the point remains.

Another interesting nugget is that SL were the first to ever chase 300+, back in Feb 1992 against Zimbabwe. Ranatunga hit 88* (61). No side did it again for another 6 years until India and Australia did in 1998, both against Pakistan. Masterclasses by Ganguly and Ponting respectively.

 

[Suleiman]

Pakistan 2019+ batting in ODIs is in a different realm altogether compared to whatever the heck we were doing 2010-2016.

We saw a glimpse of it in 2017 CT final even though it was batting first. But we really clamped down our batting order fully around the 2019 WC. Babar is a big part of it, as is Imam and Fakhar. Rizwan is an upgrade on Sarfraz too, no matter how you cut it.

I’m sure Misbah of 2012-2015 would be proud to see this ODI batting order today lol, considering he’d be the only guy batting while the whole order collapsed around him. And this went on for a couple years. Now look.

We’ve definitely come a long way, Ma Sha Allah.

 

[Major]

Pakistan 2019+ batting in ODIs is in a different realm altogether compared to whatever the heck we were doing 2010-2016.

We saw a glimpse of it in 2017 CT final even though it was batting first. But we really clamped down our batting order fully around the 2019 WC. Babar is a big part of it, as is Imam and Fakhar. Rizwan is an upgrade on Sarfraz too, no matter how you cut it.

I’m sure Misbah of 2012-2015 would be proud to see this ODI batting order today lol, considering he’d be the only guy batting while the whole order collapsed around him. And this went on for a couple years. Now look.

We’ve definitely come a long way, Ma Sha Allah.

true, anything 280+ meant game over.

However with misbah the opposition getting 280+ wasn't as easy. His bowling plans, and his use of the 5th and 6th bowler was soo crucial that Misbah used to contro the runrate by his 5th and 6th bowler.

Yes, if the 280+ mark was crossed it would be game over, but Misbah used to contain that. 2015 World Cup match against South Africa was a classic and we could had won agianst Australia had the catch been held.

The 2019 onwards team has been great with run scoring. Bowing wise its not up there

 

[Duckworth Lewis]

true, anything 280+ meant game over.

However with misbah the opposition getting 280+ wasn't as easy. His bowling plans, and his use of the 5th and 6th bowler was soo crucial that Misbah used to contro the runrate by his 5th and 6th bowler.

Yes, if the 280+ mark was crossed it would be game over, but Misbah used to contain that. 2015 World Cup match against South Africa was a classic and we could had won agianst Australia had the catch been held.

The 2019 onwards team has been great with run scoring. Bowing wise its not up there

The painful era of Jamshed, Shehzad, Akmal, Rahath, Riaz, Sohail Khan, 7ft Irfan. I remember Junaid Khan doing well and Misbah used Hafeez to good effect. Both missed 2015 WC unfortunately. I see it as a dark era though. Things are much more refreshing to see currently. You still have Riaz's successor in the form of Rauf.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

It's a very interesting stat, there's many ways to break it down. For example, the said record for England in all the years before (and including) the WC 2015 was 3/26. Since then, it's 11/22. Clearly shows the Morgan effect.

Whereas a team like Australia have always had dominant batters. Before the WC 2015 their record was 6/20, and after it's 5/17. Not sure that WC 2015 is the best split point for the data but the point remains.

Another interesting nugget is that SL were the first to ever chase 300+, back in Feb 1992 against Zimbabwe. Ranatunga hit 88* (61). No side did it again for another 6 years until India and Australia did in 1998, both against Pakistan. Masterclasses by Ganguly and Ponting respectively.

For Australia 2008 could be the point (Gili, Hayden, McGrath, Symonds almost, Hogg all had retired in a space of 12-14 months) or 2012 could be the point (two new ball rule, retirement of Ponting, Hussey and Lee). But Australia have remained strong for majority of their history barring 80-85.

Eng had all the ingredients for the approach change but were too afraid to test till Strauss came in and appointed Bayliss and Farbrace and gave Morgan the license to shape the team the way he liked (Morgan captained England in wc15 and the cb series preceding it as well but Eng were awful. Peter Moores was truly very conservative.

Ranatunga was one of the ballsiest guys who inspite of being a fortune changer for SL, gets underappreciated in cricketing world. He was as fearless and ambitious as one could be.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

I don't think India are totally out of sight. Quick start they can attempt a score of 370-380

 

[FearlessRoar]

I don't think India are totally out of sight. Quick start they can attempt a score of 370-380

New Zealand is out of this game. They're in low spirits.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

New Zealand is out of this game. They're in low spirits.

I'm not so sure...this is a road of all roads despite pre-match nonsense. They need a quick start then anything is possible.

Pakistan nearly chased 400!

 

[hassan918]

I'm not so sure...this is a road of all roads despite pre-match nonsense. They need a quick start then anything is possible.

Pakistan nearly chased 400!

Until Mitchell and Williamson partnership is going on, New Zealand did have a slim chance but then two wickets in an over by Shami changed the match completely.