How about induction of Pakistan youth teams in PSL?

[zeer]

They say the PSL is a platform for the youngsters to learn from the greats of the games and performing here against quality players will guarantee your spot in the national team, Well if this is the case then how about making full use of PSL as a platform to judge the top performers of the country's domestic first class cricketers?

Pakistani youngsters are hardly getting any "A" tours or getting any side matches against touring teams, Then where can we give an opportunity to the top performers of domestic cricketers and the upcoming talented youngsters to showcase their talent/skills?

How about making two teams of top domestic and under-23 performers to play in PSL?

1- Top domestic performers (Those who has been missed by the franchises ). You can give it Pakistan A or Pakistan Green or white or whatever name you want to.

2- Top under-19 cricketers from the country who could not be picked by any franchise. Can give it name Pakistan U-19 or Green or White or Blue or whatever.

Give them top coaches (Bowling, Batting, Fielding), Trainer, Physio, Analyst.

Let's just expose their flaws and weaknesses and later those can be rectify in high performance center (Giving a finishing touch to a product for international cricket).

By doing this it will create a hunger among all the domestic players to perform well at least they will see a ray of hope for their performances to be appreciated and giving reward for their hard work they put in their cricket for all year playing in domestic cricket and to some extent we may also compensate of the loss of not playing many A tours/Side matches.

 

[ManFan]

This is all fantastic but it’s not going to be implemented by the PCB.

 

[Savak]

Which Franchise owner will be interested? Why hasn't someone like Shahid Khan being enticed?

 

[Syed1]

People keep forgetting that the agency managing Pakistan cricket is PCB and it is headed by a journalist who does not know even the C of cricket. So these out-of-the-box ideas will never be implemented or even considered.

 

[Hasan123]

Islamabad United and Lahore Qalandars squads have young players in them. The other 3 squads seem to be backing experience players.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

never happening

 

[DeadBall]

Thing is we are the number one T20 side and have been in that region a bit plus/minus for a while. Our main problems are Tests and ODIs so even if we give an U19 players a team it won't solve anything.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Thing is we are the number one T20 side and have been in that region a bit plus/minus for a while. Our main problems are Tests and ODIs so even if we give an U19 players a team it won't solve anything.

Good post. PAK problem is in ODI and Tests...Lost 5-0 to NZ in ODI, earlier lost 2-0 to SL in tests; win in T20i with NZ has covered the obvious flaws in other 2 formats.

 

[zeer]

Thing is we are the number one T20 side and have been in that region a bit plus/minus for a while. Our main problems are Tests and ODIs so even if we give an U19 players a team it won't solve anything.

You have missed the whole point here, Who is talking about T20 cricket or being No1 here? The whole purpose behind this idea is.

1- To give a fair chance to domestic top performers (That Includes QeA trophy top performers) Which will be an obvious thing that those guys will have an exact idea how to play longer format of the game!

2- Shadab, Hassan Ali, Fakhar Zaman came through PSL so if we give chance to more youngsters we will find more players.

3- If you give the reward to top domestic performers then they will play domestic cricket with much more interest/intensity and will have to be given a chance in PSL as well.

4- The players will have financial benefits as well, PCB spend million on board member for doing nothing whereas PCB belongs to the players and players only, PLAYERS SHOULD BE GIVEN AS MUCH AMOUNT OF MONEY AS POSSIBLE.

Like i have mentioned in the post that, our youngsters are hardly getting any A tours, then it will be a great opportunity for them to be tested against world's top players.

PSL is Pakistan's product and for Pakistani cricketers, then we should utilize it for the betterment of our cricket.

 

[DeadBall]

You have missed the whole point here, Who is talking about T20 cricket or being No1 here? The whole purpose behind this idea is.

1- To give a fair chance to domestic top performers (That Includes QeA trophy top performers) Which will be an obvious thing that those guys will have an exact idea how to play longer format of the game!

2- Shadab, Hassan Ali, Fakhar Zaman came through PSL so if we give chance to more youngsters we will find more players.

3- If you give the reward to top domestic performers then they will play domestic cricket with much more interest/intensity and will have to be given a chance in PSL as well.

4- The players will have financial benefits as well, PCB spend million on board member for doing nothing whereas PCB belongs to the players and players only, PLAYERS SHOULD BE GIVEN AS MUCH AMOUNT OF MONEY AS POSSIBLE.

Like i have mentioned in the post that, our youngsters are hardly getting any A tours, then it will be a great opportunity for them to be tested against world's top players.

PSL is Pakistan's product and for Pakistani cricketers, then we should utilize it for the betterment of our cricket.

The downside is that if the hyped players don't perform well in a format they don't belong to, then they will be discarded and forgotten for good.

 

[hitthestump]

T20 isn't the way to blood the youth and we'd do well not encouraging our future talented youngsters to go down this route. I fear Pakistan could easily become the new West Indies within a decade.

 

[shokz1408]

I think that's a great idea! A team of U19s in the PSL, that could only be a positive, and give these players a chance to shine. And, imagine if they won the whole thing .

 

[babajee]

Instead of this I say there should be some U23 quota in squads.

 

[Markhor]

This league wasn't set up to unearth new talent - that's a byproduct of the event.

It is to provide a new revenue stream for the PCB. A team along such lines has to be financially viable.

 

[zeer]

The downside is that if the hyped players don't perform well in a format they don't belong to, then they will be discarded and forgotten for good.

The whole purpose is to see if the players are international cricket material or not? If they perform only in domestic cricket and fail to perform in this platform means they don't belong here, This is where "A" tours are handy where the top domestic performers are given an opportunity to justify their domestic cricket performances and perform there, if a player can perform on a A tour that means he can perform in international cricket as well, Like our previous A tours (against ENgland Lions, Zimbabwe A and against Sri Lanka A) where the performers were (Shadab, Fakhar and Hassan Ali) and they also performed in PSL as well, So it would be good to test the skills of the players and see if they are international cricket material or not, I always believe that one should spend in grass roots where young players learn the game, provide them the best facilities and coaches and rectify all their flaws and weaknesses before introducing them to the national side, exemptions are highly skilled talented players who can be fast track to national team otherwise only a finished product should represent the national team, But on the contrary we groom players in international cricket.

 

[zeer]

This league wasn't set up to unearth new talent - that's a byproduct of the event.

It is to provide a new revenue stream for the PCB. A team along such lines has to be financially viable.

PCB is already spending millions on joy trips of their board members and regional presidents, Why can't PCB spend 1/4th of their expenditure on the development of the players? After all Pakistan cricket is because of players isn't it?

 

[zeer]

Instead of this I say there should be some U23 quota in squads.

It is already there but that will not justify the number of players to be part of the league, one has to give an equal opportunity to all the top performers of the domestic cricket, at least there should be hope/competition among players to play for the spot. perform in domestic cricket, perform in PSL and become become a candidate of national selection.

 

[zeer]

T20 isn't the way to blood the youth and we'd do well not encouraging our future talented youngsters to go down this route. I fear Pakistan could easily become the new West Indies within a decade.

India is also selecting players on the basis of their IPL performances and doing already very well in all the three formats of the game, same is with other top teams, then why can't we do it?

I have already mentioned it, "TOP DOMESTIC PERFORMERS THAT INCLUDES THE TOP PERFORMERS OF QeA TROPHY AS WELL"

 

[MMHS]

I was given a sabak that PSL is doing miracles, in terms for unearthing new talents through their revolutionary concept of emerging players' quota ........

 

[DeadBall]

The whole purpose is to see if the players are international cricket material or not? If they perform only in domestic cricket and fail to perform in this platform means they don't belong here, This is where "A" tours are handy where the top domestic performers are given an opportunity to justify their domestic cricket performances and perform there, if a player can perform on a A tour that means he can perform in international cricket as well, Like our previous A tours (against ENgland Lions, Zimbabwe A and against Sri Lanka A) where the performers were (Shadab, Fakhar and Hassan Ali) and they also performed in PSL as well, So it would be good to test the skills of the players and see if they are international cricket material or not, I always believe that one should spend in grass roots where young players learn the game, provide them the best facilities and coaches and rectify all their flaws and weaknesses before introducing them to the national side, exemptions are highly skilled talented players who can be fast track to national team otherwise only a finished product should represent the national team, But on the contrary we groom players in international cricket.

Dude did you even read what I said. You're going on an and about PSL exposure. Not everything is T20 cricket. The other formats need players with composure and temperament and not hack it out for 20 overs. Also you keep bringing up Shadab, Fakhar and Hassan who are mostly LOI players and T20 specialists. Also From the last Lions A tour, if I remember correctly they were not the top performing players and as I recall it was Saad Ali and someone else were. Maybe someone can post the stats here.

 

[zeer]

Dude did you even read what I said. You're going on an and about PSL exposure. Not everything is T20 cricket. The other formats need players with composure and temperament and not hack it out for 20 overs. Also you keep bringing up Shadab, Fakhar and Hassan who are mostly LOI players and T20 specialists. Also From the last Lions A tour, if I remember correctly they were not the top performing players and as I recall it was Saad Ali and someone else were. Maybe someone can post the stats here.

Dude i UNDERSTAND what you wanted to say HERE, You meant your concern is about Test team, and you want players to be pick for that format, Tell me what is wrong if Players like Saad Ali and Fawad Alam picked for PSL and they perform there and then selected for Pakistan teams? be it T20s or ODIs? Will it be wrong? The whole point which you have missed to understand is "GIVING THE EXPOSURE TO OUR YOUTH AND TOP DOMESTIC PERFORMERS, SHARING A DRESSING ROOM WITH TOP INTERNATIONAL STARS" and see if they have the quality or skills to part of international cricket and one more thing, YEAH PLAYERS DO COME TO TEST CRICKET FROM LIMITED OVERS FORMAT. It is called gradually promoting players from one format to another.
Here is the stats for last England Lions vs Pakistan A One day games top run scorer from Pakistan was Fakhar Zaman 200 runs. Lats Pakistan A vs Zimbabwe A 2016 Top scorer from Pakistan Fakhar Zaman 311 runs, in same tour Shadab was highest wicket taker in four day match games with 13 wickets and also scored 137 runs

 

[shariqnoor]

PSL is only good for unearthing talents for our T20 and LOI squads.

Right now our best Test bat is Azhar Ali. Good luck in finding an Azhar Ali from the PSL. And to be honest, I care more about our Test team than our T20 and LOI teams. Sometimes luck and a brilliant cup run will allow us to win some ICC tournaments in the limited overs game but no amount of luck will allow you to win a Test Series in England/Australia/South Africa. You need proper batsmen and bowlers who have the mental ability to bat and bowl for 2 days. I seriously cannot fathom Fakhar Zaman batting out even 2 sessions in Test cricket.

 

[shariqnoor]

I was given a sabak that PSL is doing miracles, in terms for unearthing new talents through their revolutionary concept of emerging players' quota ........

Well you can't deny the fact that PSL does get some credit for Pakistan reaching number 1 in T20s but overall, PSL will damage our Test cricket a lot due to the fact that our batsmen right from the U13s dont have a solid batting technique which is exacerbated by them trying to become T20 players so they can get selected for a PSL team and get enough money to somewhat secure their lifestyle. I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan go down the WI route and many players only look towards T20 cricket as the only form of cricket.

 

[zeer]

I was given a sabak that PSL is doing miracles, in terms for unearthing new talents through their revolutionary concept of emerging players' quota ........

PSL is doing nothing all these franchises are doing is making money, and in process it is destroying our domestic cricket, all the priorities for the player is now playing in PSL, They believe that only performing in PSL will guarantee your selection for Pakistan team, and yeah selectors seems to be walking on the same path, they do select players who perform here 90 times out of 100, This is why we need to have more domestic performers to play PSL and when i say domestic performers i emphasis on the performers of four day cricket (QeA trophy performers) because i believe if a player who can score runs in four day cricket that too on wet and grassy pitches of Pakistan can score in any format, So if they perform in PSL they will be an automatic choice for test team selection based purely on their domestic four day performances through PSL.

And a team of under-19 means to learn more from top international cricketers, winning or losing is not the matter what matter is to gain some experience.

Simple things sometimes people can not understand lack of IQ.

 

[zeer]

PSL is only good for unearthing talents for our T20 and LOI squads.

Right now our best Test bat is Azhar Ali. Good luck in finding an Azhar Ali from the PSL. And to be honest, I care more about our Test team than our T20 and LOI teams. Sometimes luck and a brilliant cup run will allow us to win some ICC tournaments in the limited overs game but no amount of luck will allow you to win a Test Series in England/Australia/South Africa. You need proper batsmen and bowlers who have the mental ability to bat and bowl for 2 days. I seriously cannot fathom Fakhar Zaman batting out even 2 sessions in Test cricket.

We don't need 2 sessions from Fakhar Zaman in test, What warner is doing in Test cricket? He does it in a half session what some players can not even do in 2 days, All i wanted to say is we should move on with the world and test cricket is also going towards four day so then we might need these T20 stars to play some fast cricket in four day games.

You need to have a vision to look beyond where others can not reach.

 

[zeer]

Well you can't deny the fact that PSL does get some credit for Pakistan reaching number 1 in T20s but overall, PSL will damage our Test cricket a lot due to the fact that our batsmen right from the U13s dont have a solid batting technique which is exacerbated by them trying to become T20 players so they can get selected for a PSL team and get enough money to somewhat secure their lifestyle. I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan go down the WI route and many players only look towards T20 cricket as the only form of cricket.

Exactly!

This is where it is important to allow top domestic performers (Top performers of QeA trophy) to play PSL just create a competition among players that if you perform here in a four day game then you will be an automatic selection for PSL team and then to Pakistan team if you perform there.

Sometime simple things looks pretty complicated for some people.

 

[MMHS]

Well you can't deny the fact that PSL does get some credit for Pakistan reaching number 1 in T20s but overall, PSL will damage our Test cricket a lot due to the fact that our batsmen right from the U13s dont have a solid batting technique which is exacerbated by them trying to become T20 players so they can get selected for a PSL team and get enough money to somewhat secure their lifestyle. I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan go down the WI route and many players only look towards T20 cricket as the only form of cricket.

Accepted, but you have to take that bold word from your post.

PSL should be exactly opposite to the youth quota - rather it should block any player U19. Ideally, such T20 leagues should be for mature cricketers, whose fundamentals are developed. Today, all those T20 heroes that you see like Gayle & Mac & Max..... each one of them learned the game from domestic FC system - once the core was developed, then one should go to T20.

To explain it in simple words, I can bring Baseball. In Baseball, hitter's target is to hit a home run - for that he gets 3 strikes (legitimate ball). If he misses each time, still he has the chance for next strike and in a baseball game there are 9 innings - one batter can bat every innings, and he connects just once in a game, almost winning the game, therefore that game is about power, reflex and hand-eye. In cricket, it's a different type of job - one has to be near perfect while batting and do repetitive task every time without much error.

There could be few exceptional kids, who can play in PSL (though I am against any specialist batsman in T20 before turning 21, may be bowlers & all-rounders can play), but ideally top U19 players should be taught the batting/cricket basics from academy under proper coaches and apply that in FC cricket before going into T20. I think, BCCI once imposed a ban on any U19 player playing T20s (not sure if it's applicable now) and rightly so.

 

[shariqnoor]

Accepted, but you have to take that bold word from your post.

PSL should be exactly opposite to the youth quota - rather it should block any player U19. Ideally, such T20 leagues should be for mature cricketers, whose fundamentals are developed. Today, all those T20 heroes that you see like Gayle & Mac & Max..... each one of them learned the game from domestic FC system - once the core was developed, then one should go to T20.

To explain it in simple words, I can bring Baseball. In Baseball, hitter's target is to hit a home run - for that he gets 3 strikes (legitimate ball). If he misses each time, still he has the chance for next strike and in a baseball game there are 9 innings - one batter can bat every innings, and he connects just once in a game, almost winning the game, therefore that game is about power, reflex and hand-eye. In cricket, it's a different type of job - one has to be near perfect while batting and do repetitive task every time without much error.

There could be few exceptional kids, who can play in PSL (though I am against any specialist batsman in T20 before turning 21, may be bowlers & all-rounders can play), but ideally top U19 players should be taught the batting/cricket basics from academy under proper coaches and apply that in FC cricket before going into T20. I think, BCCI once imposed a ban on any U19 player playing T20s (not sure if it's applicable now) and rightly so.

100% agreed.

A lot of posters here want to include hacks in our limited overs squad without realizing that they are called hacks for a reason. They will score a 100 off 40 balls one game but for the next 20 games they will be duds since they have no technique to fall back upon in bad times.

If you have your fundamentals of batting sorted out, any player in the world can then be trained to incorporate power hitting in his game. But if you only know how to play cross-batted shots then you are bound to be inconsistent and inconsistency has been Pakistan Achilles heel since forever. There's a reason why good Test players are also good T20 players.

Banning U-19's altogether from T20s might be an extreme step which I wouldn't recommend because at the end of the day you still need exposure to that form of cricket at the domestic level if you're going to play for Pakistan. Banning T20 cricket at the club and school level is what needs to be done. India regularly have 2-4 day matches for school kids. In Pakistan, none of this happens. I remember back in the 90's we used to have 40 over matches for kids who were 12-15 year olds. There were 3-4 tournaments every year. Now school cricket is finished and if there are some tournaments happening, they are mostly 15-20 over matches. And then we expect great batting talent to come out from the system. And because we are focusing more on these 15-20 over matches, our bowling resources are also declining. For a bowler to develop, he needs to bowl 25 overs a day regularly not 4 overs a day.

 

[Slog]

PSL exists to make money. Not be a charity auction