How can Pakistan recover from a very disappointing ICC World Cup 2023 campaign?

[Firebat]

Pakistan dying a slow, embarrassing death here against England as they crash out of the tournament with a whimper.

Wins against Netherlands, Sri Lanka, New Zealand, Bangladesh.

Losses against India, Australia, Afghanistan, South Africa and very soon England.

How can Pakistan recover from this terrible showing? What changes need to be made?

 

[Rana]

By being honest with yourselves.

Severe injustice was done throughout the past 4 years.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Step 1: Remove Babar as captain
Step 2: Throw out Imam, Rizwan, Rauf, Usama, Shadab, Agha, Iftikhar, Nawaz and Hassan Ali for good
Step 3: Have Shaheen rest for 6-8 months and get him to grind it out in county for a season
Step 4: Bring back Sarfraz as captain and let him assemble his team of choice

Pretty simple and straight forward process, let's just hope that the guys on top understand this

 

[Firebat]

By being honest with yourselves.

Severe injustice was done throughout the past 4 years.

Would you like to elaborate?

 

[Firebat]

Step 1: Remove Babar as captain
Step 2: Throw out Imam, Rizwan, Rauf, Usama, Shadab, Agha, Iftikhar, Nawaz and Hassan Ali for good
Step 3: Have Shaheen rest for 6-8 months and get him to grind it out in county for a season
Step 4: Bring back Sarfraz as captain and let him assemble his team of choice

Pretty simple and straight forward process, let's just hope that the guys on top understand this

Fair enough, who replaces these 9/10 players?

 

[Rana]

Would you like to elaborate?

No thanks. I have been screaming the injustices for the past 4 years.

Senior posters and mods know this very well. Now, I will let those who thought I was crazy to join the dots

 

[Bhaijaan]

By being honest with yourselves.

Severe injustice was done throughout the past 4 years.

This.

At the expense of getting a lot of hate @Rana bhai has been spitting hot fire from the past few months. All truth as far as I can see.

 

[CerebralPatriot]

Fair enough, who replaces these 9/10 players?

My personal choices: Sharjeel Khan, Mir Hamza, Mohammad Hasnain, Imad Wasim, Azam Khan, Danish Aziz, Abrar Ahmed, Omair Yusuf

 

[gibsyhesperis]

What should they do
— remove political interference in cricket
— have a governing body worth the name
— focus on grassroots cricket with development pathways
— stability in coaching staff, selectors and hence player selection

What will they do

— sack the coach
— desperately search for a foreign coach who is willing to take on the nonsense of Pakistani cricket (however useless their past credentials)
— pick another captain who has no real vision where he wants to take the team and will constantly be looking ver his shoulder awaiting the sack

The latter three points will be repeated time and again as Pakistan falls further behind the big 3.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

There's no recovery because PCB is corrupt and there is no process by which we will recover.

2017 CT will go down as the last great achievement of Pakistan cricket. The whole country is finished as is the cricket.

 

[saqib.rai]

Pakistan cricket has seen worse
fixing allegations after the 1999 final,

Group stage exit in 2003,
losing to Ireland in 2007 and the coach getting murdered
Azhar Ali getting appointed captain after 2015

 

[Rana]

Pakistan cricket has seen worse
fixing allegations after the 1999 final,

Group stage exit in 2003,
losing to Ireland in 2007 and the coach getting murdered
Azhar Ali getting appointed captain after 2015

No, this 4 year period since 2019 was the worst

I have never felt the nation become this divided as it is today

 

[JAV12341]

Sorry to say but they won’t recover for decades to come. Paksitan cricket team is done they will carry on playing these TTFs and trundlers

 

[Falconslions]

There's no recovery because PCB is corrupt and there is no process by which we will recover.

2017 CT will go down as the last great achievement of Pakistan cricket. The whole country is finished as is the cricket.

Nahhh Pakistan will do well enough in T20s. But will struggle a lot in Tests and ODIs. The longer the format, the more the struggles. Just not good enough and doesn't look like it will change in the future.

The whole setup of Pak cricket is revolving around T20s. Players don't have the necessary skills to succeed in the longer formats so we will only see success in T20 World Cups where the team could often reach the semi finals.

 

[Kianig89]

Business as usual will resume but only way to overcome this disappointment is draw or win series in Australia which is asking too much from this lot

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Business as usual will resume but only way to overcome this disappointment is draw or win series in Australia which is asking too much from this lot

Business as usual like being mediocre in all formats since 1999 pretty much?

 

[Asif321]

Need to have a brave captain . Not necessarily the best player in team

Focus on impactful players rather than techniques and rankings .

Selection on merit not because of liking disliking

Have a bigger goal not a short term goal .

 

[hasanali]

I'd like to see the following players given an extended run.

Saim
M.Haris
Azam Khan
Abrar
Ihsanullah

We need to build for the future.

 

[Jabo]

by the fans and everyone realising we overall are a very poor team, don’t have the bowlers anymore and as always never the batters.

We’ve been poor in bat and bowl over the last 5 years, the bowling that rescued is long gone, Amir should have been selected b

 

[viking2559]

Just sack the whole team management and kick every player out from team apart from 2 or 3.

Whole team is abysmal. PCB should stop playing with emotions of millions of people.

 

[shah_1]

Hasan Ali, Usama Mir and Nawaz should never play for Pakistan again in any format.
Babar Azam should be sacked
Don't expect any massive improvement even with these actions because we are a terrible team

 

[sweep_shot]

Need to drop some players and move on quickly.

Pakistan's next series is in December. So, not much time to recover.

 

[emranabbas]

Need to get all those guys back in who went back to domestic and grinding it out

 

[Asif321]

Pakistan next odi is year away from now

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Nahhh Pakistan will do well enough in T20s. But will struggle a lot in Tests and ODIs. The longer the format, the more the struggles. Just not good enough and doesn't look like it will change in the future.

The whole setup of Pak cricket is revolving around T20s. Players don't have the necessary skills to succeed in the longer formats so we will only see success in T20 World Cups where the team could often reach the semi finals.

Spot on.
T20 will be the format which Pakistan will focus on and will probably be the only format at which they can have a modicum of success.
Moreover, there is minimal interest in Test cricket amongst the majority of Pakistan fans so the format will not be mourned (cf England where Tests are well attended and a major source of income).

 

[shah_1]

@Mamoon was so right for calling out this pathetic team much earlier. We are a dysfunctional country hence our cricket is at abysmal level as well.

 

[hitthestump]

Just sack the whole team management and kick every player out from team apart from 2 or 3.

Whole team is abysmal. PCB should stop playing with emotions of millions of people.

This implies that through some combination or another we would have had a drastically different result in this WC.

The Pakistan Cup is going on and we can see that the nation as a whole is utterly talentless and more or less the best players are with us in India.

I don't know why it's so hard to understand that we just aren't that good at cricket.

Overhauling the whole system to suddenly become world beating is a delusional suggestion.

 

[Desprado123]

Coming to fact Pakistan won From South Africa, Eng and NZ in 2019 WC but the issue was NRR and washout.

Misbha and both Waqar are saying just 5 mins ago that now Babar and Rizwan should be dropped from ODI and t20 altogether and just play test. I want to ask from these both 2 that why you guys removed Sarfarz and made Babar as captain as I still did not understand what they saw in him.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Pakistan needs a thorough change in its cricket system. They need to appoint an aggressive captain and select players based on first-class cricket rather than T20 leagues.

 

[hitthestump]

A few suggestions i'd make:

- Remove Babar's insipid captaincy. Bring in Rizwan to lead and someone outside of the clique as VC.

- Start actually rotating players for JAMLOI series and try different combinations out. No more hogging spots in the side.

- Don't pick Saim or Haris just yet. They are our biggest talents. Don't risk destroying them like we did Haider.

- Pick better bowling and batting coaches and let both remain with the setup for multiple years. Chopping and changing has made things worse.

 

[shokz1408]

In a way a series right after the WC is good, to help overcome the depression the team finds themselves in by getting some wins. But you’re facing Aussies in their backyard, so it’s one of those things, going from bad to worse atleast in terms of our batting. Hopefully our bowlers can do better on Australian pitches.

 

[ads101]

Probably have to change the captain.

You have to develop some proper spinners. Abrar gets a go. But you might just need to continue playing these proper spinners even if they fail, in order to find one a decent one. There's always the temptation to go with the better batsman out of the spinners for short term gain, but it probably isn't worth it.

Imad should be in for the allrounder slot. Shadab's batting or bowling isn't good enough. Shadab should be competing for the spinner slot, like he was in the past. We've let him develop as an allrounder, and let him use his batting as an excuse for his bowling.

The Imam-Fakhar partnership is dead, and should have been broken up at least 4 years ago. I would prefer to have Rizwan-Fakhar opening with Babar at 3 for both T20s and ODIs and see how it goes.

Saud Shakeel's record is trash, but there is obvious talent there. I think he needs to be backed, and I support calls that he should be moved up to 4, even if that results in Rizwan down to 5. However I would say Saud's issue mainly has been throwing his wicket away, which is his fault.

We need to find another bowler like Naseem Shah. Someone with control and skill, who isn't expensive. He was sorely missed this world cup, he holds that attack together. When you don't have a bowler like him in the side, the whole attack falls apart.

I also think Shaheen perhaps needs to be rested for him to fully recover. He hasn't looked the same bowler he was for a while now.

 

[Falconslions]

Even the lower order can hit several fours and sixes without any trouble, as we are seeing with Wasim and Rauf.

In short games the entire team is good as they are decent at playing "small cameos". So I see a good future ahead in T20 World Cups.

 

[asfandyar]

Pak u19 team has been regularly thrashed by Afg and Ban in the last few years. I don't hear about street cricket in my area any more, but can't say about other areas. There is zero talent at the first class, grade or club level. Cricket is an extension of politics in Pakistani discourse, with superficial juggat bazi and no deep discussion on stats or technique. Close wins against minnows are celebrated and comprehensive losses are overlooked as bad luck. You have 35 year olds playing domestic cricket on 400 run or 100 run pitches.

Apart from our cricketing woes, BCCI has isolated us from the IPL, where the entire world plays, and will keep on shifting tournaments out of Pakistan. The only way out of this is to support a different sport: football.

 

[Markhor]

I said in another thread the only benefit of a group stage exit is there can be no pulling the wool over the public's eye.

1) I never want to see another teamsheet saying - Babar Azam (c). How does a captain become dumber as their tenure progresses ?

2) Clearly outlining the remit of the coaching staff. I liked Mickey's first tenure but this is a mess. A team director is an administrative role IMO like Rob Key and shouldn't be part of the day-to-day management. Are players accountable to Grant Bradburn or Mickey Arthur ?

3) ABOVE ALL - delinking Pakistani politics and cricket. A cricket team is a product of the administration. No surprise then Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh pack their bags while West Indies and Zimbabwe never even made it through Indian Customs. The mid-tournament inquiry into the Chief Selector summed it up.

The lack of quality spinners, lax fitness standards, mismanaged fast bowlers, failure to develop our bench strength and scattergun selections all stem from a board who make it difficult to distinguish between comic parody and reality. Four PCB Chairs in Four Years should be the title of a satirical sketch, not a fact of PAK's WC cycle.

 

[Desprado123]

Pakistan needs a thorough change in its cricket system. They need to appoint an aggressive captain and select players based on first-class cricket rather than T20 leagues.

Lol Misbha is saying bring Azam Khan and Sami Ayub in and drop babar and Rizwan forever in ODI and t20 if they to get 100 hundred runs. He said Fakhar, Abdulah, Sami, Agha, Saud and Azam Khan should be top six and try them for at least 4 year and train them on their failure and Waqar also said need drop Rizwan and Babar from the team stop dot ball mindset.

 

[Varun]

2003. 2023. Little has changed. Pakistan is the team in permanent transition.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

@Mamoon was so right for calling out this pathetic team much earlier. We are a dysfunctional country hence our cricket is at abysmal level as well.

Yo, why is everyone praising @Mamoon as if he’s the only one that saw it coming…

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan misses too many ingredients to be a successful one day team. Especially spin department cup board is bare.

 

[Rana]

Lol Misbha is saying bring Azam Khan and Sami Ayub in and drop babar and Rizwan forever in ODI and t20 if they to get 100 hundred runs. He said Fakhar, Abdulah, Sami, Agha, Saud and Azam Khan should be top six and try them for at least 4 year and train them on their failure and Waqar also said need drop Rizwan and Babar from the team stop dot ball mindset.

The same culprits who did injustice to Sarfaraz now want Rizwan dropped after ruining Sarfaraz’s career for him

 

[Kriketer]

Quite a bad tournament for Pakistan. Picking out of form/terrible spinners on slow pitches and a few premium players being out of form really hampered the chances. Babar's captaincy remain the biggest culprit, a good responsible sharp captain will be a good starting point, Rizwan and Shaheen need to take up the leading roles. And stop approving front line players to play in all the meaningless T20 leagues.

Not the end of the world. Need to look forward to Australia series now, it will likely be a one sided contest knowing all past Pakistan outings to Australia. Hopefully our premium pace attack is back in form without carrying injuries and team will put up a good fight there. And team better get it together as next big ODI tournament is in Pakistan and similar disappointing performance ll let the fans down bad knowing this will be a big tournament in Pakistan after a very long time.

 

[FearlessRoar]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1723360175313064442

 

[Desprado123]

just 15 mins ago even Misbha and Waqar both are saying that just drop Babar and Rizwan from t20 and ODI so that other players does not learn how they do dot balls and goes in Shell. He said even if you bring new blood they will learn this habit from both.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistan cricket has seen worse
fixing allegations after the 1999 final,

Group stage exit in 2003,
losing to Ireland in 2007 and the coach getting murdered
Azhar Ali getting appointed captain after 2015

Back then you still have a lot of talent reserves to talk about though

 

[hassan918]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1723360175313064442

We are still playing a cricket of a few years ago and looking to score around 250-270 that is not good enough in today's ODI cricket.

 

[shah9425]

Step 1: Remove Babar as captain
Step 2: Throw out Imam, Rizwan, Rauf, Usama, Shadab, Agha, Iftikhar, Nawaz and Hassan Ali for good
Step 3: Have Shaheen rest for 6-8 months and get him to grind it out in county for a season
Step 4: Bring back Sarfraz as captain and let him assemble his team of choice

Pretty simple and straight forward process, let's just hope that the guys on top understand this

So we can get some more whitewashes

 

[saqib.rai]

ZERO ODIs in the next 12 months
Fans should just leave fixing the ODI team for another day

Let the focus turn to Tests and t20 again

 

[shah9425]

ZERO ODIs in the next 12 months
Fans should just leave fixing the ODI team for another day

Let the focus turn to Tests and t20 again

Odis should be added with NZ tour

Lack of odis is hurting us big time now

 

[Usman Chadda]

They cannot. The talent is just not there, just have a look at the Pakistan Cup going on.

 

[MMHS]

First thing - please get rid of this Virtual coach. Have destroyed PAK’s spin resource.

Appoint someone like MoHa or Malik as Head coach (more of a team director) - both were limited players but maximised their output by extra efforts or tactics.

Get five specialist coaches for very specific task -

1. A fast bowling coach from England (or may be local one with proper education - like Kabir Khan) with proper understanding of new ball bowling

2. A spin bowling coach who can encourage proper spinners and proper philosophies of spin bowling - best one to my knowledge is a Pakistani, Mushtaq Ahmed …. Pay whatever is required

3. A proper batting coach from UK, SAF or AUS for white ball game - he’ll work with white ball teams, if required allow him time off for PLs & SLs

4. A proper batting coach for Test team, focusing purely on spin play. Best could have been to find someone from India, but SRL also has some very good spin coach. If not, has to be an ECB qualified one

5. A proper fielding coach for regular drills

6. Give Shaheen captaincy for assured 3.5 years, with couple of capable deputies- may be Shadab for white ball, Abdullah/Saud for red ball. A local team director like MoHa/Malik can make better communication with the team and captain. Also, unlike foreign coaches, they understand the team’s strength better - they can form better tactics than what these coaches can do. I was among those for foreign coach - but that was 10 years back when local options were semi literate former greats like Javed, Mohsin, WY, MoYo … with lots of ego & false bravado…. I’m talking about new generation, players with long international careers, tech savvy and most importantly players who has gone though the decline of PAK cricket, part of it…. They’ll not take the job with a chip -“….. hamare jamane mai…..”

7. Encourage players to play for impact rather than stats or ranks by may be introducing performance bonus

8. Focus on longer game and pick players based on the performance of particular format, playing conditions and opponents. Give as much autonomy as possible to team director, even make him part of selection board.

9. Set realistic/smart target before every series and make it transparent- it’ll be very foolish to set a target like win the Test series in Australia; but drawing the next SAF series can be a smart target - not easy, but possible.

10. Play as many games as possible and use the bench - doesn’t mater who is opponents. If it’s easy game - win ruthlessly or use bench.

 

[Ahmed216]

They cannot. The talent is just not there, just have a look at the Pakistan Cup going on.

Exactly what I felt. Its getting worse with each year.

 

[Lampard]

Just sack the whole team management and kick every player out from team apart from 2 or 3.

Whole team is abysmal. PCB should stop playing with emotions of millions of people.

This is what happens after almost every tournament and then when the new players don’t perform the old ones come back. We need to accept the fact that Pakistan is not really blessed with outstanding talent that is perhaps hidden somewhere and waiting to be given their chance. One or two players in the squad maybe debatable but this is the best talent in the country that was selected.

 

[hafizexpress]

@Mamoon was so right for calling out this pathetic team much earlier. We are a dysfunctional country hence our cricket is at abysmal level as well.

Hmm I disagree. I remember him backing this team as the best Pakistan ODI team in recent times and talking about them as they are one of the favourites to win it all ie. having great hopes for the team. I respected that opinion of his, but he definitely didn't call this team out as pathetic

 

[IAJ]

Firstly select the right players.

Secondly the batsmen need to play freely without worrying about losing the wicket.

Wasim and Haris showing that when you are in attacking mode the bowlers forget their line and length.

Find some proper spinners.

The fast bowling have been the worst in this WC. Hopefully Nasim and IhsanUllah can come back from injuries even stronger.

 

[Kroll]

Boot Imam, Fakhar, Rizwan, Iftikhar, Shadab, Nawaz and Rauf for good.

Barring maybe Fakhar and Rizwan, these clowns wouldn’t get into Afghan, SL or Banglas first team.

 

[Mamoon]

We deserve this humiliation.

 

[Third Man]

Step 1: Remove Babar as captain
Step 2: Throw out Imam, Rizwan, Rauf, Usama, Shadab, Agha, Iftikhar, Nawaz and Hassan Ali for good
Step 3: Have Shaheen rest for 6-8 months and get him to grind it out in county for a season
Step 4: Bring back Sarfraz as captain and let him assemble his team of choice

Pretty simple and straight forward process, let's just hope that the guys on top understand this

Very good points all of them except #4. Completely disagree with Sarfi as a skipper. A has been and too old. But I'd specifically like to second #3. Shaheen needs a long rest to focus on his fitness and skills. He needs to think about his bowling and add one or two new deliveries to his arsenal. If he keeps going the way he is, he'll soon be relegated to history.

 

[Third Man]

My personal choices: Sharjeel Khan, Mir Hamza, Mohammad Hasnain, Imad Wasim, Azam Khan, Danish Aziz, Abrar Ahmed, Omair Yusuf

Hmmm. All but Imad Waseem are Karachi/Haiderabad players. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[Desprado123]

We deserve this humiliation.

Shoaib Jutt was the only person who told what happen in Asia cup and WC but even i was laughing.

He said the main culprit are Babar and Rizwan. He said that they both are partner in crime, selected player on bases of Chamcha giri, stopped selection of deserving players and brought Politics again in the team, where Misbha and Sarfarz ended it.

Shoaib Mailk endorse Misbha said that now we should just forgot Babar and Rizwan because they are not needed in white ball for us they single handedly consume 60% dots balls in WC so how will you score 350+ if you are wasting 60% balls.

 

[pakistani pride]

Drop this lot, make them work on their game in domestic. Including Babar, he got schooled in this WC. Just look at the dismissal today. For the posters wanting Sarfaraz as captain and azam khan, you are just the same and really dont care either. There is no place for unfit cricketers in the INT game.

Pak needs to start all over again, from 0. With new blood.

 

[batandballbattle]

Sack babar as captain, allow him to focus on batting. Rizwan has been our highest scorer this tournament and is far less passive than babar, give him the role.

Develop proper spinners and stop playing so many bits and pieces players who are neither good batsmen nor good spinners. This can start with bedding in abrar, others from domestics can also be tried in bilaterals.

Give Shaheen an extended break of at least 8 months. He is clearly not 100% and we need to protect one of our key assets. India gave ample time for their premium pacer bumrah to recover and is now firing on all cylinders when it matters. We always have our cupboards bursting with talent in this regard, give time to guys like ihsanullah, hasnain, mir hamza, aamer jamal, arshad iqbal, zaman khan for death overs. Rauf should not play again for a good while in this format, t20 is more his wheelhouse.

Adopt a more aggressive approach to batting more suited to the modern game. A retro approach of aiming for 260-280 odd doesn't work anymore. Try opening with fakhar and rizwan, with abdullah at 3. Give chances to batsmen with intent like Haris and Saim, Saim can switch out with fakhar for rotation purposes or if fakhar starts blowing cold too many times again.

 

[Desprado123]

Sack babar as captain, allow him to focus on batting. Rizwan has been our highest scorer this tournament and is far less passive than babar, give him the role.

Develop proper spinners and stop playing so many bits and pieces players who are neither good batsmen nor good spinners. This can start with bedding in abrar, others from domestics can also be tried in bilaterals.

Give Shaheen an extended break of at least 8 months. He is clearly not 100% and we need to protect one of our key assets. India gave ample time for their premium pacer bumrah to recover and is now firing on all cylinders when it matters. We always have our cupboards bursting with talent in this regard, give time to guys like ihsanullah, hasnain, mir hamza, aamer jamal, arshad iqbal, zaman khan for death overs. Rauf should not play again for a good while in this format, t20 is more his wheelhouse.

Adopt a more aggressive approach to batting more suited to the modern game. A retro approach of aiming for 260-280 odd doesn't work anymore. Try opening with fakhar and rizwan, with abdullah at 3. Give chances to batsmen with intent like Haris and Saim, Saim can switch out with fakhar for rotation purposes or if fakhar starts blowing cold too many times again.

Misbha, Waqar, even Rameez after Press conference of babar and Waqar said if Pakistan need to win in Odi drop Rizwan and Babar. Only explained the main reason is that they both consume 60% dot balls and Misbha said that even Shahdab plays spin better than Babar.

 

[saqib.rai]

Shoaib Jutt was the only person who told what happen in Asia cup and WC but even i was laughing.

He said the main culprit are Babar and Rizwan. He said that they both are partner in crime, selected player on bases of Chamcha giri, stopped selection of deserving players and brought Politics again in the team, where Misbha and Sarfarz ended it.

Shoaib Mailk endorse Misbha said that now we should just forgot Babar and Rizwan because they are not needed in white ball for us they single handedly consume 60% dots balls in WC so how will you score 350+ if you are wasting 60% balls.

Please stop making a 10th fail sports reporter relevant

He has been having a go at Babar since 2021, we reached 1 final and 1 semi-final of 2 t20 World Cups after that

I was alive when Gheedar ul Haq and the mediocrity that is Shoaib Malik were playing. Haven't seen anyone in cricketing history consume as many dot balls as both of them

 

[Energy]

Recovery in PCB books will mean everyone outside of the WC squad is better and therefore let's make changes before thinking about the changes.

Sarfaraz, Shan, Malik, Imad, Amir - whoever has the loudest mouth and the chairman's number on speed dial will be in the race to come back.

However, its very clear that the writing is on the wall for Babar to step down and only stick to batting. He shouldn't lead even in red ball cricket and focus on batting really.

Let someone else lead. If there's no one capable then Rizwan should lead as interim with an added responsibility on the management of grooming the next skipper within 2 years.

 

[JattMaula]

Pakistan as cricket nation don't really want to play ODIs anyway.

PCB prefers T20Is and they have pretty good team for that format.

Cheer up Pakpassion! This WC doesn't matter. It was a low priority event.

 

[Mesozoic]

Recover from what?

Pakistan is an average ODI side and finishing 5th should have been an expected result. And many knowledgeable posters here said the same thing pre-tournament despite all the "Number 1" drama.

That bubble was always going to burst.

 

[Desprado123]

Please stop making a 10th fail sports reporter relevant

He has been having a go at Babar since 2021, we reached 1 final and 1 semi-final of 2 t20 World Cups after that

I was alive when Gheedar ul Haq and the mediocrity that is Shoaib Malik were playing. Haven't seen anyone in cricketing history consume as many dot balls as both of them

Yes he is average but his every word on Sep 12th is right. Not a single word is to be false. I am amazed if this type of person knew what will happen than how come we and team selector, management coaches were blind?

 

[batandballbattle]

Misbha, Waqar, even Rameez after Press conference of babar and Waqar said if Pakistan need to win in Odi drop Rizwan and Babar. Only explained the main reason is that they both consume 60% dot balls and Misbha said that even Shahdab plays spin better than Babar.

Doesn't sound like a good plan

We can all see babar's class is there, he just hasn't stayed out there for long enough in this tournament. Give him some time away from the captaincy, and with that pressure off his batting can improve again.

Rizwan has been our highest scorer in the tournament, doesn't make sense to drop him. Have him open and in the PP he can try and free his arms more.

 

[PakWC'11Champs]

I don't think it was that bad. The reason is that we are what we are. We're the 5th best team in the world. There are a number of things we lack vs the top teams.

1) Consistent bowling depth (lack a spinner, fast bowlers don't keep discipline)
2) High enough run rate with the bat from the top order

We have some very talented players, about half our team is stacked with world level players. But teams are more balanced, more complete. It's been 24 years since we had a chance to win a WC, and there's a reason. Balance.

What did the last great WC team possess? #1 Bowling depth. Waqar wasn't in the playing 11. That's how good the bowling was with Wasim, prime Shoaib, Saqi etc. Even then, we weren't the best team because our batting wasn't as good as the Aussies.

If this were a T20, I'd agree.

We're more legit in T20 to beat the top 3 and be a champion. We have enough balance for T20. That's why we've made the SFs and Final of the last 2 cups, and have won the tourney once, been in the Finals a few times since 2007.

50 over ODIs? Other than the Champions in 2017, we're mostly a middle of the pack team. We're not really bad, but we're also not elite. This has been the case since 2003. Each cup comes and goes. Nothing changes. We're where we are because the talent we produce with our domestic structure enables talented teams, but not good enough disciplined and all around balance to win 50 over World Cups.

 

[Desprado123]

Doesn't sound like a good plan

We can all see babar's class is there, he just hasn't stayed out there for long enough in this tournament. Give him some time away from the captaincy, and with that pressure off his batting can improve again.

Rizwan has been our highest scorer in the tournament, doesn't make sense to drop him. Have him open and in the PP he can try and free his arms more.

Misbha endorse Shoaib Mailk because he exactly said that "in Pakistan culture you will learn from senior and than even if you bring new blood it will make it worse for him is because they both will tell them to not lose wicket and play self defensive, which have runied 4 players career in this 4 year that is why I prefer to drop them both because Agha and Saud are much better than them in SR and as well rotating the strike otherwise, you just waste new blood around them if they both continue playing" Misbha.

 

[lahoriyah1234]

Step 1: Remove Babar as captain
Step 2: Throw out Imam, Rizwan, Rauf, Usama, Shadab, Agha, Iftikhar, Nawaz and Hassan Ali for good
Step 3: Have Shaheen rest for 6-8 months and get him to grind it out in county for a season
Step 4: Bring back Sarfraz as captain and let him assemble his team of choice

Pretty simple and straight forward process, let's just hope that the guys on top understand this

. Matlab ab Insaan kya kaha is post ke baad.

 

[lahoriyah1234]

Can I add this…This Tournament was stage for India and India only. Everything has gone into their favour not blaming them for our team performances, but if you look at it as a global event, there was nothing global about it. Pakistani fans and journalists the way they were treated was shameful from BCCI.

I hope they don't host anymore events. It was pathetic, England/Australia/South Africa is the best place to host cricket world cups.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Can I add this…This Tournament was stage for India and India only. Everything has gone into their favour not blaming them for our team performances, but if you look at it as a global event, there was nothing global about it. Pakistani fans and journalists the way they were treated was shameful from BCCI.

I hope they don't host anymore events. It was pathetic, England/Australia/South Africa is the best place to host cricket world cups.

Stop moaning. Instead improve so we can host events.

 

[jeetu]

Overall Pakistan's ODI team is not bad as it looks now. Ironically current Pakistan's team is less suited to Asian condition. Its batting is best suited for pitches where par score is under 300. Lack of quality spinner is its biggest flaw which is essential on pitches offering turn. These are less of factor when playing outside Asia.

 

[Kianig89]

First and foremost accept we've regressed from mediocre to near minnows, arrest the slide otherwise we are next WI and SL.

All 15 players should report to NCA after arriving back and their fitness test should be done, give them a 15 day period to improve/ meet the desired standards.

Special training and practice sessions to be arranged for players to rectify their shortcomings. I hope PCB is having some top notch analyst for the donkey work. Talent in the country has been barren , don't think there is a half decent spinner available let alone a world class one

 

[hitthestump]

Some good posts in this thread.

I think it’s difficult to argue that our finishing position in this WC doesn’t accurately reflect where we are as a team.

The sudden resurgence of Sarfaraz and Imad couldn’t change that despite what people may think.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Yes he is average but his every word on Sep 12th is right. Not a single word is to be false. I am amazed if this type of person knew what will happen than how come we and team selector, management coaches were blind?

This is the point and I genuinely don’t understood all the angst.
We are a middling side that has performed averagely — to be fair, that is pretty much the history of Pakistan cricket (with the exception of a few notable highs).
Enjoy the spectacle, hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

 

[Falcon'sParwaz]

Step 1: Remove Babar as captain
Step 2: Throw out Imam, Rizwan, Rauf, Usama, Shadab, Agha, Iftikhar, Nawaz and Hassan Ali for good
Step 3: Have Shaheen rest for 6-8 months and get him to grind it out in county for a season
Step 4: Bring back Sarfraz as captain and let him assemble his team of choice

Pretty simple and straight forward process, let's just hope that the guys on top understand this

He should be a thing of past for PCT. Mickey Arthur too. Amir & Imad as well.

Let's look forward.
Give the reins to a young captain. M.Haris has successfully led Emerging Team in Asia Cup. I think he should be made captain of senior team as well.

 

[Falcon'sParwaz]

PCT should let go timid/passive approach. Aggressive mindset is needed.

We need Batters who can play long innings consistently with high SR.
We need Bowlers who can take wickets upfront & maintain pressure with excellent control.


Saim Ayub / Fakhar
Haider Ali / Huraira
Babar / A.Shafique
Tayab Tahir / any other spin basher like Zalmi's lefthander wk batsman Haseebullah.
Qasim Akram
M.Haris (c) > he successfully led team to Emerging Asia Cup Final.
Wasim jnr
Naseem
Shaheen
Abrar Ahmad
2nd spinner / 4th pacer.

Spinners' pool is = Abrar - lb legspinner, Mehran - sla lefty, Sufiyan Muqeem - lws lefty legspinner, Qasim & Mubashir.

Today, some of the shots of Wasim jnr were pure class. Guy has some batting potential. He can be our pace bowling A/R. PCB should groom him for this role, instead of wasting him at No.10.

Imam, Rizwan & Saud are not modern ODI batters. If Babar don't improve his SR upto 100, bin him too. If Kohli & Rohit can up their SR at fag end of their carrers, why can't Babar?

 

[usman_mhd123]

I think some of it comes down to the simple fact that our players are not educated. Most other countries are able to assess data and use it as an advantage. The modern sport requires a lot more than just showing up to pracice. There has to be strategy which Pakistan currently does not have. You have to be able to use data to enhance your chances of winning games, I could almost say with certainty that if you told Pakistani percentage you have 1/10 chance of something happening, almost all of them would not even know what that means. There has to be method and strategy behind Pakistan's thinking. You cannot just go to the nets and show up on game day. Unfortunately in our part of the world, if you try to use and analyze data, you come of as trying to be "smart".