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How did India lose the war of 1962 to China?

How is any of this related to my question ? What even is your point ? :))

That pathetic stunt is as close to invasion as India can get, from a realistic point of view.

They have almost a million military/paramilitary/spies etc. in Kashmiri invasion. Still can't control jack against rock throwing kids. In so many decades.

I'll leave to your desh bhagt imagination what a professional army like Pak would do to them if they decide to "invade" :))
 
That pathetic stunt is as close to invasion as India can get, from a realistic point of view.

I can only laugh at your desperation in calling that an invasion. I will leave it at that.

They have almost a million military/paramilitary/spies etc. in Kashmiri invasion. Still can't control jack against rock throwing kids. In so many decades.

That's because they value the lives of those brainwashed rock throwing youth. The moment they stop doing that, well....... let's just say Imran khan will end up hurting his fingers typing all those tweets.

I mean how hard do you think it is to "control" those stone pelters when you're armed with an INSAS ak103 ?

I'll leave to your desh bhagt imagination what a professional army like Pak would do to them if they decide to "invade" :))

Yeah. There are enough examples in the past of your army's "professionalism". No need for my DeShBhAgT iMaGiNaTiON to step in. Talk about fake bravado. :)
 
We lost that war in 1962 because we didn't have Shri Narendra Modi Ji as our PM, Godi Media(Times Now, Republic, Zee News etc.) as our media and bhakhts who would have mob lynched each and every chinese soldier during that war. :inti
 
Actually Rob, I don't think that's the case. I have heard the Sukhoi MKI is not all that good as claimed. It is a Russian plane with Israeli Avionics, a Russian plane is not designed to run with Israeli tech. I found a great youtube video of this breakdown, I will post a link if I find it. Rafale now that is an all new different beast, when India inducts the squadron of 36 Rafales then PAF stands no chance, PAF planes become shooting ducks. However as of now, PAF I would even say IAF and PAF will be a close fight.

Interesting!

I know the Indian AF Sukhoi pilots said they kicked the RAF’s Typhoon butts in recent exercises so I read into it.

The Sukhoi is hypermaneuverable at low speed due to thrust vectoring. But the Typhoon has an extremely good sustained turn rate.

At BVR the Typhoon will beat the Sukhoi every time due to better radar, and better missiles especially when the Meteor replaces the AMRAAM.

The Typhoon has the better cockpit and pilot-plane integration systems.

So when Rafale arrive - comparable to Typhoon in performance envelope and avionics - I think you are right.
 
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Former Congress president Rahul Gandhi on Tuesday urged the government to come clean on the border standoff with China, saying there should be transparency on the issue.

“What we would like to see is some more transparency on what is going on. It becomes difficult for us to have a position without understanding the facts. I think the government should make it clear to the people of India what exactly is happening on the border,” he told a news conference held through video conference.

Indian and Chinese soldiers are engaged in an eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation at four locations along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) since early May, and several rounds of talks between local military commanders, including a meeting on Monday, have failed to end the standoff that began with violent clashes between troops from both sides in the Sikkim and Ladakh sectors three weeks ago.

The external affairs ministry has rejected China’s contention that Indian troops trespassed across the LAC, and accused Chinese forces of hindering patrols of the Indian side of the disputed border.

China is said to have marshalled more than 5,000 soldiers on its side of the disputed border in Ladakh sector, where India too has sent military reinforcements to strengthen its defences as growing tensions along the LAC threaten to plunge bilateral relations to a new low.

Gandhi said, “We are hearing different stories. I don’t want to go into conjecture and it won’t be appropriate for me to comment on it without knowing the details. But it is important that the government of India makes it clear what is happening on the border so that the people can understand and they have a position.

“Frankly, there is no clarity. What is happening with China in Ladakh or Nepal, there should be transparency. I don’t see that transparency. Regarding China, it is a live issue so I don’t want to comment on that. I leave that to the wisdom of the government.”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...china-rahul/story-kjLWlyQub4hfcT7HpAz6WI.html
 
We were basically unprepared. Nehruvian policies are mostly to blame.
Things have turned around thankfully.
Modi is a different kind of a man.
We are confident in him.
Nehru was pussilanimous.
 

A new Bollywood film spotlights a forgotten India-China battle​


A recent Bollywood film has put the spotlight on a largely forgotten battle from the 1962 war between India and China.

Called 120 Bahadur – Hindi for brave hearts – the film tells the story of Indian soldiers who fought valiantly to defend the Rezang La pass in the freezing Himalayan mountains of Ladakh.

The film, with Farhan Akhtar as Major Shaitan Singh, failed at the box office but succeeded in spotlighting a battle often described as the only silver lining in a war India lost.

"We felt it was very important that this story must he told, we wanted to honour the people who lived the story," dialogue writer Sumit Arora told the BBC. "We have taken some cinematic liberties, but our film stays very true to history."

The war came as the relationship between India and China had been souring over border tensions and meetings to resolve the disputes had been unsuccessful. Beijing was also unhappy over India giving refuge to the Dalai Lama who had fled Tibet after the 1959 uprising.

The month-long war started on 20 October with China attacking India. Beijing said it was "a self-defence counter-attack" and accused Delhi of "aggressively encroaching on Chinese territory and violating Chinese airspace".

By the time China declared a unilateral ceasefire a month later - pulling back troops and releasing prisoners of war - India had lost about 7,000 soldiers and 38,000 sq km of territory. The two countries were later separated by an ill-defined 3,440km (2,100-mile) Line of Actual Control, marked in places by rivers, lakes and snowcaps.

Beijing has said little officially about the war, beyond claiming its troops eliminated all Indian positions in the conflict zones, and has never commented on the battle of Rezang La.

Fought at over 16,000ft (4,900m), it was one battle in a wider war China won. In India, however, it is remembered as an "epic battle" and "one of the greatest last stands" and inspired books and films.

Source: BBC
 
Socialist Nehru thought that India and China are brothers. Then China said hold my Wanton soup.. :cobra
 

A new Bollywood film spotlights a forgotten India-China battle​


A recent Bollywood film has put the spotlight on a largely forgotten battle from the 1962 war between India and China.

Called 120 Bahadur – Hindi for brave hearts – the film tells the story of Indian soldiers who fought valiantly to defend the Rezang La pass in the freezing Himalayan mountains of Ladakh.

The film, with Farhan Akhtar as Major Shaitan Singh, failed at the box office but succeeded in spotlighting a battle often described as the only silver lining in a war India lost.

"We felt it was very important that this story must he told, we wanted to honour the people who lived the story," dialogue writer Sumit Arora told the BBC. "We have taken some cinematic liberties, but our film stays very true to history."

The war came as the relationship between India and China had been souring over border tensions and meetings to resolve the disputes had been unsuccessful. Beijing was also unhappy over India giving refuge to the Dalai Lama who had fled Tibet after the 1959 uprising.

The month-long war started on 20 October with China attacking India. Beijing said it was "a self-defence counter-attack" and accused Delhi of "aggressively encroaching on Chinese territory and violating Chinese airspace".

By the time China declared a unilateral ceasefire a month later - pulling back troops and releasing prisoners of war - India had lost about 7,000 soldiers and 38,000 sq km of territory. The two countries were later separated by an ill-defined 3,440km (2,100-mile) Line of Actual Control, marked in places by rivers, lakes and snowcaps.

Beijing has said little officially about the war, beyond claiming its troops eliminated all Indian positions in the conflict zones, and has never commented on the battle of Rezang La.

Fought at over 16,000ft (4,900m), it was one battle in a wider war China won. In India, however, it is remembered as an "epic battle" and "one of the greatest last stands" and inspired books and films.

Source: BBC
So what happens in the movie? India captures all of China and it becomes part of Akhund Bharat? :)
 
I know you guys like to talk about '71 war but Pakistan and India had wars before and after. How come India didn't manage to force a surrender then?

You mean the 1965 skirmish ? Because it was a defensive war, not offensive. Don't you know anything about history ? You should be thankful the Indians withdrew in 1965 instead of occupying pakistani cities like Lahore which it was at the doorstep of. Lot of international pressure on India played a part in this as well. It had little to do with Pakistan's military prowess lol.

As for the 1947 war, Nehru stupidly went to the UN instead of re-capturing PoK. He suffered from what @rpant_gabba calls 'Gandhi-Nehru virus' where India rather than pursuing its hard advantage to the end instead settled for peaceful idealistic means like mediation. Another example that comes to mind is Indira Gandhi releasing 90,000 soildiers in 1971 as a gesture of goodwill without extracting anything in return. It was a dumb move in hindsight.
 
You mean the 1965 skirmish ? Because it was a defensive war, not offensive. Don't you know anything about history ? You should be thankful the Indians withdrew in 1965 instead of occupying pakistani cities like Lahore which it was at the doorstep of. Lot of international pressure on India played a part in this as well. It had little to do with Pakistan's military prowess lol.

As for the 1947 war, Nehru stupidly went to the UN instead of re-capturing PoK. He suffered from what @rpant_gabba calls 'Gandhi-Nehru virus' where India rather than pursuing its hard advantage to the end instead settled for peaceful idealistic means like mediation. Another example that comes to mind is Indira Gandhi releasing 90,000 soildiers in 1971 as a gesture of goodwill without extracting anything in return. It was a dumb move in hindsight.
Hahahah... I never thought you also believed in those typical school textbook lies. When you are winning, the rules of war goes out of the window unless one is a Prophet.
 
Nehru choose ceasefire because of Gandhism. He opted for it to ensure, Pakistan army doesn't join forces with Mujahideens.

Nehru had a stronger Indian army at his disposal so he could have attempted to recaptured PoK with it. Pak army was already involved with Mujahideens.

He was an idealist, which is a -ve quality to have in some areas. One of the reasons the Indian army was weak for two decades after 1947 was because Nehru chose not to focus on modernising it and thought mediation would always solve disputes. It was why India got hammered in the 1962 war with China.
 
Nehru had a stronger Indian army at his disposal so he could have attempted to recaptured PoK with it. Pak army was involved with Mujahideens anyway.

He was an idealist, which is a -ve quality to have in some areas. One of the reasons the Indian army was weak for two decades after 1947 was because Nehru chose not to focus on modernising it and thought mediation would always solve disputes. It was why India got hammered in the 1962 war with China.
Hahah...this is all textbook indoctrination. Go an please search China offered peace to India in 1962 after getting the upper hand
 
That doesn't negate anything I said.
What I am suggesting is Nehru was no saint, he started the aggression against China. So the claim that India choose mediation over conflict in 1947 is just a political mantra. No one goes for mediation from a dominant position.
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This apparent progress in relations suffered a major setback when, in 1959, Nehru accommodated the Tibetan religious leader at the time, the 14th Dalai Lama, who fled Lhasa after a failed Tibetan uprising against Chinese rule.[56] The Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, Mao Zedong, was enraged and asked the Xinhua News Agency to produce reports on Indian expansionists operating in Tibet.[57]

Armed clashes increased over summer 1959.[58]: 131  On 25 August 1959, a group of Indian soldiers crossed into the Longju area, north of the McMahon Line.[58]: 131  The PLA took an Indian prisoner.[52][59]

 
You got 90,000 soldiers back for free. So yes, India leaders have done stupid things while in dominant position.
O now I understand why stupid Pakistan leadership pampers like of Kulbushan and Abhinandans
 
Nehru choose ceasefire because of Gandhism. He opted for it to ensure, Pakistan army doesn't join forces with Mujahideens.
I frickin idiot know better. There was no Pak army. British commanders and officers helping Pak establish itself threatened to quit and Jinnah folded.

Like you are an asset to India. Keep up the good work
 
In India's entire history, they have only won 1 war. They lost every single other war including the 1962 war with China.

Even during medieval times, they used to constantly get dominated by Muslim empires, British Empire etc.

They are not made for wars. :yk
 
From my reading, Indians always say that they were unprepared and that the Chinese cheated them by a surprise attack but that’s just pure nonsense. They say the same about us capturing part of Kashmir in 1947.

Truth is that India suffered crushing military defeats in 1947 (Kashmir) and later 1962 (China)

1965 war was a stalemate.

1971 - Pakistan faced a civil war. Indians cleverly try to take credit for a convincing victory and although the impact of it on Pakistan was devastating but the truth is that it was a rebellion from East Pakistan and a forceful partition aided by India. Pakistan never lost to an entity in 1 to 1 combat.

1999 - Pakistan never fought with the full scale of its army and a handful of Mujaheedins made a mockery of Indian military in which Indians suffered far more casualties than the counterparts. It was a bloodbath for Indians. They with an army of millions barely defended themselves against a hundred Mujaheedins

2010 - They got hammered by 5 people who weren’t even Pakistan army but independent non state actors. A shameful display of internal security.


To think of it, India has throughout its history since independence been at the receiving end of hammering in every war and confrontation losing far too many people, planes and resources than their adversaries.
 
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