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How did Pakistan lose two Tests to this West Indies team?

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Can't believe we managed to lose two tests in the last two series to this team,and one of those defeats was when we were ranked number one :facepalm:

Our performances in test cricket since the england tour have gone downhill and without younis and misbah things could get worse :danish
 
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Their team is a hit or a miss. Sometimes, they do really well, and it wasn't just against Pakistan. They showed some fight against England (the last time England toured them and couldn't win the series) and India too.
 
Their team is a hit or a miss. Sometimes, they do really well, and it wasn't just against Pakistan. They showed some fight against England (the last time England toured them and couldn't win the series) and India too.

the sharjah loss in particular was extremely humiliating

we nearly lost the dubai test too and needed a wicket off the final ball to win the series in wi

our performances against them have been nothing less than disgraceful
 
UAE conditions aren't massively dissimilar to the Caribbean - slow, low turners are the norm there too.

Sharjah was a dead runner and we took the foot off the gas with the NZ and Aus tours on the horizon. In Barbados they did benefit from bowling on a crumbling and broken fifth day wicket that was offering crazy uneven bounce.

However one cannot take credit away from Windies for those performances.
 
Hmmmm if you struggle to beat a pathetic team like the west indies, then you must look carefully at your team as compared to the higher ranked teams. Pakistan's batting in tests now has a very big hole and the younger players will struggle to fill the shoes of those two retired test greats.
 
Didn't Bishoo take 8 wickets or something? WI need Gabriel and Bishoo and maybe Bravo, to be competitive.
 
Complacency and them catching us off guard led to those defeats.

Their test team has potential in slow wickets like UAE/WI/India but in places like England/Aus/NZ/SAF where there is pace and bounce - they will get blown away every time.
 
Hmmmm if you struggle to beat a pathetic team like the west indies, then you must look carefully at your team as compared to the higher ranked teams. Pakistan's batting in tests now has a very big hole and the younger players will struggle to fill the shoes of those two retired test greats.

Even with Younus and Misbah 6th is about fair after recent tours.
 
Although they bowled really well in the 2nd test at their home, losing to them in Sharjah was very painful tbh.
 
The loss in the WI was forgivable but the one in the UAE was not. But there is a fallacy in the belief that Pakistan is invincible in the UAE. In fact, they have lost numerous ODI series there and seem to have drawn more Test series than they've won.
 
England have 105 rating points while West Indies have 75 rating points. There is thus a huge gap of 30 points between the two teams. So the result of first test is a fair reflection of the test playing abilities of the two teams.

Pakistan have 93 rating points, which is 18 points higher than West Indies. So the gap between Paakistan and West Indies is half the gap between England and West Indies. Little wonder then that the matches between Pakistan and West Indies have been much closer.
 
Bro it happens. This series isn't even over yet. If west Indies play Pakistan in Pakistan then it's fair to judge otherwise it's invalid to compare England home matches to Pakistan uae matches. England also lost a test match away last time they toured Windies
 
The loss in the WI was forgivable but the one in the UAE was not. But there is a fallacy in the belief that Pakistan is invincible in the UAE. In fact, they have lost numerous ODI series there and seem to have drawn more Test series than they've won.

Play in Pakistan then compare. UAE IS NOT HOME
 
Can't believe we managed to lose two tests in the last two series to this team,and one of those defeats was when we were ranked number one :facepalm:

Our performances in test cricket since the england tour have gone downhill and without younis and misbah things could get worse :danish

Crazy pessimism here. We have so much young talent coming through in the shape of haris sohail, usman salahuddin and even babar azam who hasn't clicked yet but has the ability to do so. Our team led by sarfraz could become a very strong asset and may become as good as India as India also had to find youngsters after Sachin and David rerired and now they r no1. Same can happen to Pakistan.
 
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UAE conditions aren't massively dissimilar to the Caribbean - slow, low turners are the norm there too.

Sharjah was a dead runner and we took the foot off the gas with the NZ and Aus tours on the horizon. In Barbados they did benefit from bowling on a crumbling and broken fifth day wicket that was offering crazy uneven bounce.

However one cannot take credit away from Windies for those performances.

Right. The team was afraid of too much momentum.

Thankfully we really showed them Kiwis.
 
A mixture between complacency and burning out when it comes to Test matches considering we've been playing a lot and were winning a lot of Tests prior to what happened against WI; it went all downhill after that.
 
They were far more humiliating for us than 5-0 against NZ & Australia.
 
Pakistan lost a test in 2011 too, to the West Indies. Younis and Misbah were part of that side as well.

In between whiles they also lost to Zimbabwe. The England tour was an unnatural high in the grander scheme of things.
 
I think it just speaks to the nature of Pakistan as a side. We are unpredictable and to be honest, I'm not someone who views our unpredictability as something good. I'd much rather prefer if we were consistent.

Pakistan's highs in test cricket in recent years have been great. The dominance in UAE, The 2-2 draw in England, winning in Sri Lanka against a then strong Sri Lanka side, the short-lived ascent to No. 1. The series in West Indies was both a high and a low. But the more blantant lows -- losing a test to Zimbabwe, losing two test matches to West Indies, humiliating series loses in New Zealand and Australia -- are really dissatisfying and take away from the positives.

I just hope moving forward, under Sarfraz's captaincy we can be more consistent and get rid of this unpredictable tag that has done us more harm than good. Being unpredictable doesn't make you the best team in any format other than T20Is
 
When you have such a defensive captain and oldies in the team, you can manage to lose to any team.
 
Given the right conditions, plus a bit of luck, even mediocre teams can beat much better teams at home! The competition is called test cricket ~ unarguably the hardest team sport to master, just ask the yanks or the Chinese.

Take away the novelty factor of D/N test, plus the pink ball that did very little (if anything) apart from some movement under the lights. There was a slight chance that this game could;ve gone to the fourth day, you could say that it was the perfect storm that WI had to face. Not easy to overcome that, just ask Ind in Eng/oZ 2011, or Eng down 2007 & 2013, or SA/Oz in India 2013 & 2015.

The point is tests are usually lopsided when the home team is better, or much better, in their conditions as compared to the opponents. That's why the Windies didn;t lose a test series in WI for 22(?) years, Ind don;t look like dropping a test at home except against one of the top 3 or Oz at home just as well.

Basically test cricket is like a 4D game, whereas LO matches are more 3D, you need a lot more bases covered to compete in tests, especially abroad. This has been true for as long as I can remember, in that the nature of the beast (test cricket) hasn;t changed in over 140 years.
 
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Given the right conditions, plus a bit of luck, even mediocre teams can beat much better teams at home! The competition is called test cricket ~ unarguably the hardest team sport to master, just ask the yanks or the Chinese.

Take away the novelty factor of D/N test, plus the pink ball that did very little (if anything) apart from some movement under the lights. There was a slight chance that this game could;ve gone to the fourth day, you could say that it was the perfect storm that WI had to face. Not easy to overcome that, just ask Ind in Eng/oZ 2011, or Eng down 2007 & 2013, or SA/Oz in India 2013 & 2015.

The point is tests are usually lopsided when the home team is better, or much better, in their conditions as compared to the opponents. That's why the Windies didn;t lose a test series in WI for 22(?) years, Ind don;t look like dropping a test at home except against one of the top 3 or Oz at home just as well.

Basically test cricket is like a 4D game, whereas LO matches are more 3D, you need a lot more bases covered to compete in tests, especially abroad. This has been true for as long as I can remember, in that the nature of the beast (test cricket) hasn;t changed in over 140 years.

impressive bro i agree with you
 
Pakistan lost a test in 2011 too, to the West Indies. Younis and Misbah were part of that side as well.

In between whiles they also lost to Zimbabwe. The England tour was an unnatural high in the grander scheme of things.

Bingo. England tour and Champions Trophy were anomalies.
 
Bingo. England tour and Champions Trophy were anomalies.

Completely forgetting us whitewashing England twice and Australia once, a drawn series against South Africa. Atleast we didn't lose a series at home like all other top teams did.

Some ridiculous posts in this thread.
 
Once again people jumping to conclusions after just one game.

I've been liking what I've seen from WI in the last few years and this performance against England (2nd Test), is not a surprise to me.

Roach and Gabriel with the ball and now Brathwaite and Hope with the bat. Awesome stuff.
[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]
 
These guys can play, there is talent in the Caribbean. They just need to be managed properly by the Board and given the right structure.

Roach has particularly surprised me - thought he was finished after his car accident but he's bowled with a lot of heart in this match and has got the ball to swing even if his pace is down from what is was pre-accident.

Youngsters like S Hope have lots of promise.

They just need to find a third seamer (could be Joseph but he's still raw), a better specialist spinner than Bishoo and an opening partner for Brathwaite.
 
The West Indies is actually a very solid unit who need just a little more match practice against top quality sides to improve even further and this much is evident from this brilliant display in the past couple of days after losing so badly in the first Test.

They have two very good fast bowlers in Shannon and Roach who MUST stay injury free. Joseph is also a very good, young bowler but they need to look for someone else too. Bishoo is a good spinner. All they need is to get back Darren Bravo and they will find a great combination for themselves.
 
Loss in UAE was a dead rubber after the test series was won. Windies were trying to salvage something from the tour after blanks in the two white ball series.
No other Pak team has won a test series in the Caribbean, far better squads have faltered. So a 2-1 win was acceptable given this Windies team are not pushovers.
 
Once again people jumping to conclusions after just one game.

I've been liking what I've seen from WI in the last few years and this performance against England (2nd Test), is not a surprise to me.

Roach and Gabriel with the ball and now Brathwaite and Hope with the bat. Awesome stuff.

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]

england are a highly overrated side. this west indies team is still awful.
 
england are a highly overrated side. this west indies team is still awful.




Says something when a highly overrated team blanks your team what 4-0 twice or 5-0?
 
Because it's Pakistan. Highly unpredictable team who can beat the very best or lose to no 8 ranked too.
 
Says something when a highly overrated team blanks your team what 4-0 twice or 5-0?

i am a pakistani sir. kohli is simply my favorite player.
 
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i am a pakistani sir. kohli is simply my favorite player.



So, how was I supposed to know of your back ground or nationality...should I have given you a call and ask for your esteemed views on my impression of you?
 
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So, how was I supposed to know of your back ground or nationality...should I have given you a call and ask for your esteemed views on my impression of you?

No need of taking so much trouble,not assuming things :)
 
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Says something when a highly overrated team blanks your team what 4-0 twice or 5-0?

Who was whitewashed last year in India? You seem to remember about things happened 5 yrs ago but Forgot the recent thrashing England got in India.
 
Loss in UAE was a dead rubber after the test series was won. Windies were trying to salvage something from the tour after blanks in the two white ball series.
No other Pak team has won a test series in the Caribbean, far better squads have faltered. So a 2-1 win was acceptable given this Windies team are not pushovers.

West Indies also almost won that day night test where Bishoo bowled us out cheaply and Bravo almost chased down the target.
 
West Indies also almost won that day night test where Bishoo bowled us out cheaply and Bravo almost chased down the target.

Not really, Windies were never going to chase 350+ on a Day 5 pitch in Asia.

Fans were panicking for no reason.
 
Who was whitewashed last year in India? You seem to remember about things happened 5 yrs ago but Forgot the recent thrashing England got in India.



During that time of white washes gallore, England did tour and beat you at home as well...it is rather you who keep forgetting things
 
During that time of white washes gallore, England did tour and beat you at home as well...it is rather you who keep forgetting things

Lol. Talk about current team. We are number 1 test team. You are bringing in past record here. We too beat England in England prior to whitewash if you talk about past record.
 
West Indies also almost won that day night test where Bishoo bowled us out cheaply and Bravo almost chased down the target.
Despite that Windies were never in a position to push for victory.
Pak had 125 odd overs to bowl them out in the second innings and they never looked like chasing over 300.
 
They've got heart

That's about t really
 
Low quality side, particularly poor from a mental point of view. Embarrassing to lose two Test matches against them to be honest.
 
Low quality side, particularly poor from a mental point of view. Embarrassing to lose two Test matches against them to be honest.

We threw the matches to them tbh. But one match was such where wicket got unplayable
 
Pakistan are a decent test side but against WI in those two matches Pakistan were just woeful. There seemed to be a lack of application and too much defensive cricket.

WI are a poor side. No excuse good enough for Losing to them.
 
They have a lot of potential. They just lack experience atm, I think they will serve some humble pie in the coming years. Agree with [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION].
 
we lost because Misbah is the greatest captain we had according to most of you...


So if WI wins against England, will that be Misbah's doing as well?

Seriously, this WI team is a pretty decent team when conditions suit them and if they don't drop so many catches, they would be winning a lot more matches too
 
Can't believe we managed to lose two tests in the last two series to this team,and one of those defeats was when we were ranked number one :facepalm:

Our performances in test cricket since the england tour have gone downhill and without younis and misbah things could get worse :danish

and how did england lose a home test to this w.i team?
 
we lost because Misbah is the greatest captain we had according to most of you...

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Kesa dia?

Just kidding,but never rule this team out.They have some great talents,Braithwaite,Hope,Chase and Gabriel.They will improve with time.
 
WI and Pak are 2 of the most unpredictable teams in Cricketing world. You never know what they will do on a given day. Most of the times, they blow cold. But with they hit the red hot patch, they will beat the best with ease.
 
Just shows how good and ruthless India were when they demolished this windies side in their home #UndisputedNo.1TEAMintheWORLD
 
WI and Pak are 2 of the most unpredictable teams in Cricketing world. You never know what they will do on a given day. Most of the times, they blow cold. But with they hit the red hot patch, they will beat the best with ease.

Pakistan is not unpredictable. I have followed cricket from mid 90s and know why we gave 'unpredictable performances'. The current team will be predictably good. Just wait and watch.
 
Pakistan is not unpredictable. I have followed cricket from mid 90s and know why we gave 'unpredictable performances'. The current team will be predictably good. Just wait and watch.

The current Pak ODI team only had 3 straight great games. Prior to that they were playing badly.

Yes, we have to wait and see.
 
Low quality side, particularly poor from a mental point of view. Embarrassing to lose two Test matches against them to be honest.
can smell the eggs on this guys face from miles away #oops :23:
 
They have a lot of potential. They just lack experience atm, I think they will serve some humble pie in the coming years. Agree with [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION].


1st dish of humble pie has been served.
 
Just shows how good and ruthless India were when they demolished this windies side in their home #UndisputedNo.1TEAMintheWORLD

Humble pie to folks who called this windies team pathetic when they were thrashed by Indians last year.
 
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