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Observing a recurring pattern in Indian cricket - consistently scoring 300+ runs, but teams facing challenges when chasing the total. What's your take on this? Is it a matter of strategy, pitch conditions, or something else altogether? I'm genuinely curious to hear your insights. Let's discuss
 
Observing a recurring pattern in Indian cricket - consistently scoring 300+ runs, but teams facing challenges when chasing the total. What's your take on this? Is it a matter of strategy, pitch conditions, or something else altogether? I'm genuinely curious to hear your insights. Let's discuss
Indians are able to swing a lot more under lights as compared to others bowlers and then they have two gun spinners.

Simply said, it's the case of India having 5 gun bowlers and there is nothing like see off this bowler or that bowler. I have not see too many better bowling units in history in the last 30 years.

Super flat pitch and India bowling first is the only way batsmen can score freely. Even then they don't bowl too many hit me balls so some one has to bat well, but at least you can score.
 
As of now, Rohit and Kohli are playing well, and KL and Iyer are doing their jobs. I'm not sure how much we can put on the scoreboard if both Rohit and Kohli fail in the same match.
 
The thing is even if India chase they have very good batting line up and can chase down any total.
 
Pandya getting injured has been an unwitting boon. He and Shardul were getting regularly spanked. After Shami and Surya came in, India have looked a beast with fangs out. Now if only there was a way for Ishan to replace Iyer, I would be at least content that we'd have fielded the best possible combination and then win or lose would be a matter of the play on the day.
 
As of now, Rohit and Kohli are playing well, and KL and Iyer are doing their jobs. I'm not sure how much we can put on the scoreboard if both Rohit and Kohli fail in the same match.
IN Asia cup Pandya and Kishan bailed us out. That has to be the job of Iyer/Rahul/SKY/Gill.
 
Skill, execution and bowling as a team. India are relentless and probably uo there with the greatest bowling attacks of all time in WCs if not ODIs

Everyone is constantly on the attack, all the time. Opposing batters have no weak link to target. For example, today SA decided to play safe and see off Bumrah. Consequently they found themselves at 21 for one after 8 overs. And then came Jadeja who literally ran through their side. Each of them have their super power but they adapt according to the need.

Jadeja, although a legend in his own name, has played second fiddle to Kuldeep. Kuldeep is the designated attacking option and Jadeja is the backup defensive option who will keep one end tight. But today Rohit brought in Jadeja in the 9th over and he changed his game plan to more attacking. He gave away some runs but got wickets as well. And Kuldeep played more of a defensive role giving away little runs at the other end.

This team is truly once in a generation one. Especially the bowling attack. Enjoy it while it lasts.
 
The thing is even if India chase they have very good batting line up and can chase down any total.
Not really, they may have a hard time chasing 300+ against a good bowling side.
 
If it continues for next three matches then we can compare stats and it will be better than the rest .
 
India has always been strong at home and these players have played on these grounds all their lives. Still quite astonishing how successful this Indian bowling unit has been in this World Cup. Easily leagues ahead of everyone else. I wonder how successful they will be outside Asia.
 
When you are playing a relentless attack with no weak link a batting team is better off trying to disrupt the attack and erring on side of aggression rather than caution. Rather than trying to follow normal batting blueprints, the batting side should tailor their strategy to explicitly dictate the pace of play else the quality bowling attack will simply swarm the batting side. The chances of success may be low with a risky approach but they are zero with a staid approach.

Specifically for this Indian team

1) Look to advance down the ground randomly to hit Siraj and Shami off their lengths early in their spells (not possible vs Bumrah). If you can get them to pull length back, chance of losing wkts via lbw/nick off reduces and even if you chunk your advancing shots you can get 2 or 4 for a decent connection in the powerplay. Bumrah's 4 over spell will anyway be at 15 or fewer runs. Try to not lose wkts to him and Try to get 35 off the other six to reach end of first PP at 50 or more.

2) Structure batting order such that atleast one leftie is at crease throughout Jadeja's stint. Still can't really smash him but it would break the hypnotic rhythm he builds while bowling to 2 righties. With some deft manoeuvring and judicious use of cut and hit over extra cover to take him 5-6 per over and force Rohit to bring Bumrah back for a stint between ovs 20-30

3) Righties should attack Kuldeep by dancing down for straight lofted shots over his head from his first over. Take out his slip fielder from equation so that if he pulls his length back the rightie has a late cut boundary option for the googly and can hit the legspinner into space on legside for singles. Lefties should look to reverse sweep him behind square. If batters can push Kuldeep to bowl his seam up delivery, it's a sign that he's rattled.

If all plans come off by the 30th over run rate will be at 5.5-6 and 6 overs of Bumrah already banked. Now go allout aggressive on Siraj in 31-40 phase. Force him into bowling wide yorkers rather than his hard length. If the plan comes off well one over of Bumrah might be consumed in this phase also.

Now in death overs look to take down the 2-3 spinner overs. Bumrah is again untouchable so just try to go 6-7 per over off him. Shami will try to nail his Yorkers so stay deep in crease on middle stump and squeeze the wide ones over point and the indipping Yorkers look to get under for straight boundary.

If everything comes off a score of 290-310 can be realised and over to bowlers to defend it.
 
NZ has the players and the mindset to execute this and they managed it well for about 25 overs in their game against India. But they'll need to start and end better to add about 30-40 runs to their 270 odd.

Hopefully it will be a cracking semifinal
 
India has always been strong at home and these players have played on these grounds all their lives. Still quite astonishing how successful this Indian bowling unit has been in this World Cup. Easily leagues ahead of everyone else. I wonder how successful they will be outside Asia.
India has done extremely well and they are a formidable unit but i dont think they would have done as well outside India. We are in an era where all major teams are dominant in their own countries but put them in foreign conditions and they struggle. Perhaps it’s do with players playing a lot at home due to league cricket and the homogenization of pitches across the world. Look at the last 4 world cups and they’ve all been won by the hosts.
 
The only way to beat this Indian bowling attack is to go Brendon Mccullam suicidal bazball from ball one against them and stick to it ruthlessly, give the bowlers something to think about and make them panic.

But the likes of Bhumra, Siraj, Shami are too good for even those tactics.
 
I said from the start that India will go unbeaten.

Impossible to beat them in these conditions
 
When you are playing a relentless attack with no weak link a batting team is better off trying to disrupt the attack and erring on side of aggression rather than caution. Rather than trying to follow normal batting blueprints, the batting side should tailor their strategy to explicitly dictate the pace of play else the quality bowling attack will simply swarm the batting side. The chances of success may be low with a risky approach but they are zero with a staid approach.

Specifically for this Indian team

1) Look to advance down the ground randomly to hit Siraj and Shami off their lengths early in their spells (not possible vs Bumrah). If you can get them to pull length back, chance of losing wkts via lbw/nick off reduces and even if you chunk your advancing shots you can get 2 or 4 for a decent connection in the powerplay. Bumrah's 4 over spell will anyway be at 15 or fewer runs. Try to not lose wkts to him and Try to get 35 off the other six to reach end of first PP at 50 or more.

2) Structure batting order such that atleast one leftie is at crease throughout Jadeja's stint. Still can't really smash him but it would break the hypnotic rhythm he builds while bowling to 2 righties. With some deft manoeuvring and judicious use of cut and hit over extra cover to take him 5-6 per over and force Rohit to bring Bumrah back for a stint between ovs 20-30

3) Righties should attack Kuldeep by dancing down for straight lofted shots over his head from his first over. Take out his slip fielder from equation so that if he pulls his length back the rightie has a late cut boundary option for the googly and can hit the legspinner into space on legside for singles. Lefties should look to reverse sweep him behind square. If batters can push Kuldeep to bowl his seam up delivery, it's a sign that he's rattled.

If all plans come off by the 30th over run rate will be at 5.5-6 and 6 overs of Bumrah already banked. Now go allout aggressive on Siraj in 31-40 phase. Force him into bowling wide yorkers rather than his hard length. If the plan comes off well one over of Bumrah might be consumed in this phase also.

Now in death overs look to take down the 2-3 spinner overs. Bumrah is again untouchable so just try to go 6-7 per over off him. Shami will try to nail his Yorkers so stay deep in crease on middle stump and squeeze the wide ones over point and the indipping Yorkers look to get under for straight boundary.

If everything comes off a score of 290-310 can be realised and over to bowlers to defend it.
And that's why I think if qdk scored a quickfire 50 or 100 taking on the ind bowlers - it would have been a good test for ind to see how they responded out of their comfort zone. But didn't expect an absolute wallop 🙂
 
They know their own conditions well while other teams are having to adapt which takes time.
 
All top bowlers of other teams have been playing in India in IPL on same pitches yet they are unable to produce what Indian bowlers are able to achieve.
 
Stop all the jinxing everyone please....

Indian attack is rubbish
Its BCCI protecting Indian team, bribing everyone to perform poorly against India, except Pakistan, they dont need any bribing :vk2
 
1) Their bowlers have played a lot of ODI cricket and yet are not old and aged
2) They know the conditions super well. They have been bowling a lot of cutters and mxing up their pace well (both spinners and pacers have been doing this)
3) They are well supported by a smart and aggressive captain who has rotated his bowlers well and has also set great fields. Look at this:

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It’s easy to set a attacking field when the opposition are 5/6 down but it’s a mixture of them bowling to a plan, bowling in familiar conditions and the opposition chucking there wickets away
 
It’s easy to set a attacking field when the opposition are 5/6 down but it’s a mixture of them bowling to a plan, bowling in familiar conditions and the opposition chucking there wickets away
Except for Pakistan, most of other serious teams have decent exposure to Indian wickets. Other than crowd, dont think India holds any home advantage in terms of familiarity.
 
Plenty of things, but the main thing reason being that they have 4 bowlers that average <= 25 in ODI cricket. Every other team has 1, and maybe 1 other that's close...
 
It’s easy to set a attacking field when the opposition are 5/6 down but it’s a mixture of them bowling to a plan, bowling in familiar conditions and the opposition chucking there wickets away

Babar has always had issues going for the kill.
But it's not just in that above instance where Rohit has had aggressive field placements; he's been relativly aggressive from the start.
 
Babar has always had issues going for the kill.
But it's not just in that above instance where Rohit has had aggressive field placements; he's been relativly aggressive from the start.
It is also because Rohit's bowlers back his aggressive plan with performance. Meanwhile our 140K+ "phaast bowlers" and so called spin bowlers have nothing in their tank if/when the captain tries to be aggressive. As we know, aggressive field placements without bowlers performing will fail spectacularly.

Sometimes I wonder if Babar is clueless for lack of aggression or very insightful of his bowlers' skills and thus his lack of aggression.
 
The difference between the Indian bowling in this WC and the other team is unbeliveable. statistically.... Indian bowling is miles ahead. That is the most surprising and shocking factor.

Most wickets - so far.
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Best Average - so far. Next best (SAF) is 7 more points. Amazing!
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Best E/R - so far. Next best (AFG) is 1-2 points more than other teams! Amazing!
Indian 4.40 E/R means 220 runs in 50 overs.
SAF's 5.68 E/R means 284 runs in 50 overs.

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Best S/R - so far.
Indian 25.9 S/R means wicket every @4 overs.
NZ's 37.2 S/R means wicket every @6 overs.

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Point is: Yes, Indians are bowling very well but why none of the other teams are matching Indians bowling in any category?

But then if you look at the bowling stats for the 11 main teams from 1/1/2022 until start of this WC, it is not surprising. Indians played the most ODIs and lead in all catagories except E/R where they are #3.

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The difference between the Indian bowling in this WC and the other team is unbeliveable. statistically.... Indian bowling is miles ahead. That is the most surprising and shocking factor.

Most wickets - so far.
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Best Average - so far. Next best (SAF) is 7 more points. Amazing!
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Best E/R - so far. Next best (AFG) is 1-2 points more than other teams! Amazing!
Indian 4.40 E/R means 220 runs in 50 overs.
SAF's 5.68 E/R means 284 runs in 50 overs.

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Best S/R - so far.
Indian 25.9 S/R means wicket every @4 overs.
NZ's 37.2 S/R means wicket every @6 overs.

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Point is: Yes, Indians are bowling very well but why none of the other teams are matching Indians bowling in any category?

But then if you look at the bowling stats for the 11 main teams from 1/1/2022 until start of this WC, it is not surprising. Indians played the most ODIs and lead in all catagories except E/R where they are #3.

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Great post.

Shocking how poorly Pakistan has bowled too too.
Would be curious of averages by fast bowling vs spin.
 
The difference between the Indian bowling in this WC and the other team is unbeliveable. statistically.... Indian bowling is miles ahead. That is the most surprising and shocking factor.

Most wickets - so far.
View attachment 138756


Best Average - so far. Next best (SAF) is 7 more points. Amazing!
View attachment 138757
Best E/R - so far. Next best (AFG) is 1-2 points more than other teams! Amazing!
Indian 4.40 E/R means 220 runs in 50 overs.
SAF's 5.68 E/R means 284 runs in 50 overs.

View attachment 138758
Best S/R - so far.
Indian 25.9 S/R means wicket every @4 overs.
NZ's 37.2 S/R means wicket every @6 overs.

View attachment 138759

Point is: Yes, Indians are bowling very well but why none of the other teams are matching Indians bowling in any category?

But then if you look at the bowling stats for the 11 main teams from 1/1/2022 until start of this WC, it is not surprising. Indians played the most ODIs and lead in all catagories except E/R where they are #3.

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No greater evidence of “wickets win matches.” The first table of the teams with the most wickets mirrors exactly the top 5 ranking of the WC
 
Observing a recurring pattern in Indian cricket - consistently scoring 300+ runs, but teams facing challenges when chasing the total. What's your take on this? Is it a matter of strategy, pitch conditions, or something else altogether? I'm genuinely curious to hear your insights. Let's discuss
The same batting and BOWLING lineup will look ORDINARY in the semifinal
No coincidence they haven't won a SINGLE Icc event in 10 years
 
The same batting and BOWLING lineup will look ORDINARY in the semifinal
No coincidence they haven't won a SINGLE Icc event in 10 years
It is better to make semi's and lose than to pray for other teams to lose to make the semi's. Indian bowling has been at the top since the start of 2023. Spin or pace they have been on the top since the start of this year. So no, India will do well in the semi's with the ball, it will be the batting which might fail, if at all India lose in the knockouts.
 
It is better to make semi's and lose than to pray for other teams to lose to make the semi's. Indian bowling has been at the top since the start of 2023. Spin or pace they have been on the top since the start of this year. So no, India will do well in the semi's with the ball, it will be the batting which might fail, if at all India lose in the knockouts.
It's not better.
Its Pathetic to lose semis after dominating the group stage and its pathetic to depend on other teams to reach semis

Cricket is hardly played by 6 countries seriously still India with a 1.4 billion population (one sport country) cant win a SINGLE Icc event in 10 years
 
Great post.

Shocking how poorly Pakistan has bowled too too.
Would be curious of averages by fast bowling vs spin.
Thanks.

Seamers vs Pacers: From 1/1/2022 to Oct 4, 2023

Pacers:


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Spinners:

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India has always been strong at home and these players have played on these grounds all their lives. Still quite astonishing how successful this Indian bowling unit has been in this World Cup. Easily leagues ahead of everyone else. I wonder how successful they will be outside Asia.

They have been successful outside India as well. They won test series in Australia, would have won in England and South Africa as well but batting let us down there.

ODI’s outside the World Cup no one cares about so no point counting the performance in those.
 
Great post.

Shocking how poorly Pakistan has bowled too too.
Would be curious of averages by fast bowling vs spin.

Spinners vs Pacers in this World Cup.

Pacers:
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Spinners:

Paksitan is 2nd worst just above Sri Lankan spinners.


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At this point of time, I am afraid of Murphy's law.

Indian team is due atleast 1 bad match.... I hope it won't be in this tournament. That's one thing I am worried about.
 
At this point of time, I am afraid of Murphy's law.

Indian team is due atleast 1 bad match.... I hope it won't be in this tournament. That's one thing I am worried about.
I stopped watching yesterday after 4 SA wickets fell. I couldn't bear too good kind of performances. It scared me.
 
Home conditions and putting the right systems in place starting around early 2000s. They played the long game of finding and nurturing talent when they had arguably the worst bowling attack around the turn of the century. Indian bowling up until 2002-03 was laughable and even then in the mid 2000s was passable.

But they hired the right coaches at amateur level, put up actual academies and training centers at grass roots levels and then 15-20 years later they are reaping the rewards.

They always had good spinners, but are now producing good pacers too.

Definitely not an overnight process nor a fluke.

Even outside of home in tests they beat Aus in Aus and bowling had a massive hand in it… more than this WC, being able to do that is confirmation that you have a real world class attack.
 
I imagine a lot of countries will feel downright embarrassed by the gulf in bowling performance. I do as a Pakistani. This isn't even a normal difference, this feels like a statistical improbability. And yet it's not luck, you can see the difference in skill of the Indian bowlers, they deserve it. You can't even blame it on home conditions. This is LOI where home advantage should not be such a factor, and its not like other countries haven't played in India and IPL.
 
India has always been strong at home and these players have played on these grounds all their lives. Still quite astonishing how successful this Indian bowling unit has been in this World Cup. Easily leagues ahead of everyone else. I wonder how successful they will be outside Asia.
Two series wins in Aus ?
 
India has always been strong at home and these players have played on these grounds all their lives. Still quite astonishing how successful this Indian bowling unit has been in this World Cup. Easily leagues ahead of everyone else. I wonder how successful they will be outside Asia.
No they haven’t! Most of these players haven’t played a Ranji game in two years. They practice in the nets and play ipl on pitches that differ from these. They do get exposure during test matches but given how global ipl is there are others just as experienced on these pitches as these players. Heck done ipl international players have seen their home team ground more than some in the Indian cricket team.
 
Never seen such a difference ever. Indian bowlers are miles ahead of the rest. Is it skill or foul play ?. These bams wil stoop so low to win at any cost. They have purchased the honesty of all teams except Pakistan whose bottle crashes against them. Aussies and English have stopped abusing and intimidating them. I would not rule out prepared balls and no one is going to call them out as they all care about their pocket
 
Spinners vs Pacers in this World Cup.

Pacers:
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Spinners:


Paksitan is 2nd worst just above Sri Lankan spinners.


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Very good post

Watching all Pakistan's matches from start to finish, it can clearly be seen that our pace bowlers and batsmen have done their job

It's only because of the spinners that we find ourselves in this position- unlikely to reach semis

Hopefully moving forward, emphasis is given on having SPECIALIST SPINNERS instead of players who can bowl spin a bit and can bat a bit as well

Not including Abrar has turned out to be our undoing in this World Cup

Hopefully rain prevents a result in the SL-NZ match, and we go through but should always go in with SPECIALIST SPINNERS in future tournaments

And we play very few ODIs, so spinners who do well in TESTS should be given priority in ODIs instead of PSL performers like Usama
 
Home conditions play them outside india their skills will vanish.

Same in 2019 when England was hosting they were the best team

And in 2015 when Australia was hosting they were the best team
Nope in 2019 India were the best team in group stages. England scraped through and at one point England looked like they would not even make it to the semi's. India lost only one game in 2019 and were at the top of the table. India were very good until the semi-finals where the team bowled well but the batting collapsed.
 
Observing a recurring pattern in Indian cricket - consistently scoring 300+ runs, but teams facing challenges when chasing the total. What's your take on this? Is it a matter of strategy, pitch conditions, or something else altogether? I'm genuinely curious to hear your insights. Let's discuss
Before you can see off srinath and then smack the rest. Although venky did well vs us.

Then zak you can see off and possibly even sreesanth then smack rhe rest barring maybe bhaji

In 2019 bumrah shami you can play out and attack bhuvanesh chahal etc

Now in 2023 you can't play out world class players and attack sub standard ones cause bumrah siraj shami kuldeep and jadeja are all quality.
Remember if this was in Australia or south africa jadeha won't be as effective but then they would bring in pandya or venky or whoever.
 
Home conditions play them outside india their skills will vanish.

Same in 2019 when England was hosting they were the best team

And in 2015 when Australia was hosting they were the best team
Excellent first point.... I filtered the bowling stats from Jan 2022 to the start of this WC by removing matches in Asia.... and Indian bowling falls to middle of the pack!

S/R: 5th.

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E/R: 7th.

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Average: 6th.

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Very good post

Watching all Pakistan's matches from start to finish, it can clearly be seen that our pace bowlers and batsmen have done their job

It's only because of the spinners that we find ourselves in this position- unlikely to reach semis

Hopefully moving forward, emphasis is given on having SPECIALIST SPINNERS instead of players who can bowl spin a bit and can bat a bit as well

Not including Abrar has turned out to be our undoing in this World Cup

Hopefully rain prevents a result in the SL-NZ match, and we go through but should always go in with SPECIALIST SPINNERS in future tournaments

And we play very few ODIs, so spinners who do well in TESTS should be given priority in ODIs instead of PSL performers like Usama
They can only include Abrar if some other player is injured and ICC approves the replacement.
 
They can only include Abrar if some other player is injured and ICC approves the replacement.
Shadab will come back at 7 in place of Agha. That is why they didn't ask ICC for Shadab to be replaced

But you can't injure someone purposely. But idk, get Imam/Agha/Nawaz/Usama to say they have to attend to an emergency and leave for Pakistan
Include Abrar in their place. These 4 wouldn't be taking part in the tournament anyways even if Pakistan progress. Even if Nawaz/Usama are included at 8, they would be pretty much useless again
 
The biggest reason being India witnessing the best of Mohammad Shami in this World Cup. He has been a storm this World Cup. Before this World Cup, most would think that he is a good bowler like 10 other bowlers in the world. A wicket taker who often go for a lot of runs too. But in this World Cup, he has been at another level to any bowler that has played.

16 wickets in 4 games at avg of 7.

Moreover, Kuldeep has been a massive upgrade to Chahal or any other bowler and him coming back to form alongwith Jadeja peaking with bowl has really made this bowling attack a beast.
 
The biggest reason being India witnessing the best of Mohammad Shami in this World Cup. He has been a storm this World Cup. Before this World Cup, most would think that he is a good bowler like 10 other bowlers in the world. A wicket taker who often go for a lot of runs too. But in this World Cup, he has been at another level to any bowler that has played.

16 wickets in 4 games at avg of 7.

Moreover, Kuldeep has been a massive upgrade to Chahal or any other bowler and him coming back to form alongwith Jadeja peaking with bowl has really made this bowling attack a beast.
Would love seeing what you have to say after they play a KNOCKOUT game and lose as always
 
Would love seeing what you have to say after they play a KNOCKOUT game and lose as always

2 World Cup wins for India.

That's 1 more than what Pakistan got. Also, would love seeing how Pakistan gets knocked out before knockout when Kiwis will beat Sri Lanka at Chinnaswamy. :rosco
 
Home conditions play them outside india their skills will vanish.

Same in 2019 when England was hosting they were the best team

And in 2015 when Australia was hosting they were the best team

Australia was not the best team in group stages. They didn't even finish top in their group. England also barely sneaked into semi final

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As of now, Rohit and Kohli are playing well, and KL and Iyer are doing their jobs. I'm not sure how much we can put on the scoreboard if both Rohit and Kohli fail in the same match.
like in infamous 2019 semis against NZ. The chances are less this time. It was damp overnight conditions/rain in 2019 which led to top order collapse.
 
like in infamous 2019 semis against NZ. The chances are less this time. It was damp overnight conditions/rain in 2019 which led to top order collapse.
And what about the other 8 ICC tournaments that India has lost since 2013? Do you have an illogical excuse for that as well?

Please do not take credit away from Henry and Boult who were just too good for overrated Kohli, Sharma and co
 
And what about the other 8 ICC tournaments that India has lost since 2013? Do you have an illogical excuse for that as well?

Please do not take credit away from Henry and Boult who were just too good for overrated Kohli, Sharma and co

messi won the worldcup in his last attempt so did "your great Imran". rating/over rating is not dependent on your or my rating. Super stardom is not attributed forcibly. Ind is top team but not the best like 1999-2007 aus or 1975-83 like West Indies. Due to the current bowling attack, they may reach the status.
 
Australia plays many sports. The number of active cricketers is very less

India only plays one sport. Has a population 60 times that of Australia. Has a large number of people persuing cricket full time- active cricketers

STILL
are massively behind Australia in terms of cricketing achievements
 
messi won the worldcup in his last attempt so did "your great Imran". rating/over rating is not dependent on your or my rating. Super stardom is not attributed forcibly. Ind is top team but not the best like 1999-2007 aus or 1975-83 like West Indies. Due to the current bowling attack, they may reach the status.
In India super stardom is attributed forcibly
MS Dhoni captained india in SIX t20 WCs, won only ONE but Indians consider someone with a 1/6 record as the greatest ever captain lol. When 90% of cricket playing and watching population is Indian

Indians have a habit of turning ordinary human beings into demi gods. As Gambhir says, it's a cricketer loving country not a cricket loving country

Indians have always considered themselves inferior human beings and that is why make Superstars out of literally everyone
The only country in the world whose people get the highest level of satisfaction when an unemployed GORA praises them
 
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Because the 3 fast bowlers Bumrah, Siraj and Shami belong to minority groups that the large Hindu POPULATION persecutes

Cant find a SINGLE fast bowler from the majority ruling group. The best fast bowler they have is Shardul lol
 
Because the 3 fast bowlers Bumrah, Siraj and Shami belong to minority groups that the large Hindu POPULATION persecutes

Cant find a SINGLE fast bowler from the majority ruling group. The best fast bowler they have is Shardul lol
The day Shami and Siraj do not perform- they will be called terrorists and told to go to Pakistan

The day Bumrah doesn't perform he will be called Khalistani and told to leave India
 
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Not really, they may have a hard time chasing 300+ against a good bowling side.
Everybody has a tough time chasing 300. Indian team isn't an exception. One of Rohit or Kohli has to stay until 40th over for a 300 chase. Others aren't capable of doing it by themselves
 
The day Shami and Siraj do not perform- they will be called terrorists and told to go to Pakistan

The day Bumrah doesn't perform he will be called Khalistani and told to leave India

Such hypocrisy
When they don’t perform they will be dropped like Munaf, Zaheer, Irfan , Yousuf.
 
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Because they don't care about Football
Unlike Indians who care about cricket

China had the most or second most GOLD medals at the last Olympics. India had ONE GOLD lol
Chinese care a lot about football, you have no idea lol.
 
Someone said that it takes time to acclimatize, that's why we have a headstart over other teams in this regard.

How many more games a team needs to acclimatize? Almost all teams have played 8 games so far plus the practice games. If you can't acclimatize even after playing so many games, you don't deserve to play international cricket.

PS: Both our practice games were washed out.
 
Because the 3 fast bowlers Bumrah, Siraj and Shami belong to minority groups that the large Hindu POPULATION persecutes

Cant find a SINGLE fast bowler from the majority ruling group. The best fast bowler they have is Shardul lol
Nobody gives a flying walenda about where they come from. Is it even cricketing related? DO they have special blood just because they follow a different ideology. Are you suggesting religion gives you better performers? They are representing India. End of story.
 
No I was talking about cricket in particular

Australia plays many sports. The number of active cricketers is very less

India only plays one sport. Has a population 60 times that of Australia. Has a large number of people persuing cricket full time- active cricketers

STILL
are massively behind Australia in terms of cricketing achievements
Thats also because aus has been playing longer.

Also again it's easier to manage a small talent poll of a 25 mil population then select from 1.4 billion people

Trust me bro, I live in aus, I been to scg and ik how the selection process in aus works lol and how many training facilities they have in place compared to India which is bit short handed due to population even if they have more money
 
The competition between Siraj and Shami has been a block buster for India. Add to that kuldeep's increase in pace, a relaxed and injury free Bumrah took the Indian bowling to the next level. No more trundlers in the team. Instead you have a disciplined attack that knows how to setup a batsman because of their test experience, that knows how to take full advantage of the pitches and can land the ball on the seam like a dream at 140 kph. Jaddu doing Jaddu things and you have a terrific bowling lineup with each of them capable of winning MOM on their day.
 
I really wish to visit India one day, ik bangalore is beautiful
Why visit Bangalore lol. Traffic will suck the life out of you. You should visit beaches of GOA and attend a party there. Visit Himachal for its beautiful mountain ranges.
 
GUYS. Stay on the topic of the thread. We cannot tolerate any irrelevant and unrelated stuff in this thread. All irrelevant posts will be removed.
 
In India super stardom is attributed forcibly

Otherwise how is a pathetic actor and murderer like Salman Khan still highly relevant?
MS Dhoni captained india in SIX t20 WCs, won only ONE but Indians consider someone with a 1/6 record as the greatest ever captain lol. When 90% of cricket playing and watching population is Indian

Indians have a habit of turning ordinary human beings into demi gods. As Gambhir says, it's a cricketer loving country not a cricket loving country

Indians have always considered themselves inferior human beings and that is why make Superstars out of literally everyone
The only country in the world whose people get the highest level of satisfaction when an unemployed GORA praises them
Indian subcontinent consists of India, PAK and Bangladesh. With so many sects/ehtnic identities/regions/religions, the divide between people is huge unlike a pan identity countries like US or UK. when there is no pan culture identity, the unification factor like American pride or UK pride would be difficult to attain. The class difference makes the people on the right side of the class system make it appear than they may deserve. Having said that, Dhoni won 3 world championships not because of the system but despite the system.

Similarly Imran 1992 worldcup not because of PAK's system but despite the system.


IND/PAK are similar in hero worship. when the policy makers create equal opportiuties and create a viable system for an average person, we will see less of hero worship but that will be emulating a develop country like US, where the system is bigger than the individuals. Unfortunately, in Indian subcontinent an individual is bigger than the system !
 
This is probably the first time i see 5 match winners with ball in the same team. Any world cup for that matter. Even in the 80s 5th bowler was Richards or Gomez or bacchus. How far they will help India win the cup nobody knows. It is down to batsmen. 5 match winning bowlers >> 6 match winning batsmen for the simple reason bowlers can make mistake and come back in the same innings. Batsmen can't.
 
Want to know how Indian pace bowling has transformed? Here it is:

In the early to late 70s we opened the bowling with Sunny Gavaskar just to take the shine off the ball so the spinners could get started.

For a while we had Karsan Ghavri, slow medium at best but our premier pacer.

The eighties saw the statistical anomaly that was Kapil Dev, with a supporting cast of guys like Chetan Sharma and Manoj Prabhakar

The 90s we had Javagal Srinath and Venkatesh Prasad who (as a pace attack group) were a significant qualitative improvement over the past.

In the 2000s we had Zaheer Khan, supported at various times by Ashish Nehra, Irfan Pathan, and a cast of characters that included guys like Balaji.

The 2010s saw another overall qualitative improvement with the coming of Ishant Sharma, Mohammed Shami, Umesh Yadav, Bhuvneshwar Kumar’s. By the later part of this decade Bumrah was in the mix.

In the 2020s Mohammed Siraj was added to the mix. Others like Saini, Aaron, Unadkat we’re tried.

You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to extrapolate what’s happening. From the then MRF pace bowling academy to the IPL to the massive investments in Ranji and players - it is a result of years of effort, player management and behind the scenes support.

There may be an element of luck in that luck these current lot of bowlers have peaked at the same time. But they have always been a formidable force.

The world is just seeing it now.

I joined this forum in 2006, but don’t write much overall, as one can see from the number of my posts.

But I remember writing, maybe 13-14 years ago that Indian pace bowling was going to improve inevitably because there was so much process and systematic background effort put in place.
 
At this point of time, I am afraid of Murphy's law.

Indian team is due atleast 1 bad match.... I hope it won't be in this tournament. That's one thing I am worried about.
Australia won two World Cups without losing a match. Murphy's Law be damned.
 
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