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I know England team and their fans dont care about one days but just look at their bowling attack today they dont have any talent to introduce in limited over cricket? Bopara playing as specialist bowler to bowl 10 overs and other 4 bowlers are Jordan Rankin Bresnan and Stokes. Root can bowl 3/4 overs but how on earth they are going to defend anything against good one day batting lines like Australia with these mediocre bowlers?
 
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anderson broad and finn graeme swann and bresnan were a good attack i thought
 
Ranking is a good ODI bowler but his confidence is shot.

Bresnan is terrible and Stokes isn't a front-line bowler.

Jordan hasn't looked bad.

Finn and Broad immediately make this attack a decent one.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Ranking is a good ODI bowler but his confidence is shot.

Bresnan is terrible and Stokes isn't a front-line bowler.

Jordan hasn't looked bad.

Finn and Broad immediately make this attack a decent one.
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Are they following dhoni footsteps to make batting line strong till number 7/8? i mean how can you use bopara for 10 overs as a specialist bowler?
 
Strike Rate said:
Are they following dhoni footsteps to make batting line strong till number 7/8? i mean how can you use bopara for 10 overs as a specialist bowler?
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That is stupid.

Cook should be sacked from the ODI team immediately.

When replaced Strauss as player and captain in 2011, he had a great start and become one of the best openers in the world, including back to back hundreds vs Pakistan.

Since then, both his captaincy and batting has gone downhill big time.

Not a fan of Bell opening. He's an excellent batsman but too slow for opening. He should play at number 3.
 
Mamoon_ said:
That is stupid.

Cook should be sacked from the ODI team immediately.

When replaced Strauss as player and captain in 2011, he had a great start and become one of the best openers in the world, including back to back hundreds vs Pakistan.

Since then, both his captaincy and batting has gone downhill big time.

Not a fan of Bell opening. He's an excellent batsman but too slow for opening. He should play at number 3.
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I think Morgan should be given captaincy of one day team and Cook should be tried for 1 more series before dropping to see if without captaincy he can bat with a healthy rate in one days.
 
yes, This bowling attack is a joke, I cannot understand why Finn is not playing, he never played any of the tests so he doesn't even need rest. Broad and Anderson should also be playing, this is international cricket!
 
Strike Rate said:
I think Morgan should be given captaincy of one day team and Cook should be tried for 1 more series before dropping to see if without captaincy he can bat with a healthy rate in one days.
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Morgan is one of the best ODI batsmen in the world and he has been around for long enough + he is a LOI specialist so yes I agree.

Morgan, Root, Stokes, Bopara, Bairstow, Ballance and Butler. These are they guy who should be taking England forward.

Pietersen picks and chooses his games anyway and England need to make a hard call on guys like Cook, Trott and Bell.

Only one of them can play.
 
No one cares about this ODI series as it's held just after the ashes. So they never field full strength teams, they just give youngsters a go and rest a lot of their senior players.

Neither team (especially England) really care about winning this series, it won't change the Ashes result. All they want to do is test out talents for the future.
 
sam_ahm said:
yes, This bowling attack is a joke, I cannot understand why Finn is not playing, he never played any of the tests so he doesn't even need rest. Broad and Anderson should also be playing, this is international cricket!
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Anderson isn't a very good ODI bowler anyway and he has had a miserable series so it made sense to give someone else a chance.

I agree on Finn and Broad though. They are very good ODI bowlers.
 
Jordan looked the most impressive. Could've easily ended up with 3-4 wickets today, Stokes as A/R does more than a decent job.

Rankin is Tremlett v2, all that height at 127-132k will not cause a lot of problems. Broad in place of him and Anderson in place of Bresnan and this attack becomes a lot more lethal.
 
ads101 said:
No one cares about this ODI series as it's held just after the ashes. So they never field full strength teams, they just give youngsters a go and rest a lot of their senior players.

Neither team (especially England) really care about winning this series, it won't change the Ashes result. All they want to do is test out talents for the future.
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Which is a wrong attitude.

England need to do what South Africa did. Give the ODI captaincy to a guy who takes it very seriously.

Look at de Villiers, he has brought new life into the South African ODI team and under-performing ODI players like Steyn look completely different under him and the likes of Philander have developed a hunger for this format as well.

Morgan is the man to bring the change in England.
 
Bear in mind that Anderson, Broad and Finn are not playing for whatever reason so it's a B/C strength attack.
 
James said:
Bear in mind that Anderson, Broad and Finn are not playing for whatever reason so it's a B/C strength attack.
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Australian attack is pretty second string as well.
 
James said:
Bear in mind that Anderson, Broad and Finn are not playing for whatever reason so it's a B/C strength attack.
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Finn was again the water boy today. What this attitude of management? he never played a single match in ashes and now not even one day? your best bowler in limited over is there to carry drinks?
 
I think the English background staff have destroyed Finn without him playing an actual match, over coached and over complicated him to the point where he has digressed without even playing in the field.
 
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Mamoon_ said:
Which is a wrong attitude.

England need to do what South Africa did. Give the ODI captaincy to a guy who takes it very seriously.

Look at de Villiers, he has brought new life into the South African ODI team and under-performing ODI players like Steyn look completely different under him and the likes of Philander have developed a hunger for this format as well.

Morgan is the man to bring the change in England.
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England cricketers and England fans hardly care about LOI. That's how it is, especially how media constantly portrays LOI cricket and vaults the Ashes above anything.

LOI more families, younger kids like, but aren't usually as hard core fans.

It's really stupid, if you play a format you should try your best to win it. Not when you feel like it. Domestic is the place to test out players not LOIs.

While I do support England after Pakistan, the attitude annoys me. Think it kind of links in with a sense of complacency too which has become evident in England, when they get to the top they start getting complacent and come back down again. And the whole general ethos of every series just being a warm up to the Ashes.

Need to start to look to dominate each and every format against all teams, and just be a bit more professional. Feel England could hold down the no.1 ODI ranking if they really cared too, they've got good players in each department and at full strength (which they hardly ever are), are probably the most balanced ODI side.
 
Strike Rate said:
Finn was again the water boy today. What this attitude of management? he never played a single match in ashes and now not even one day? your best bowler in limited over is there to carry drinks?
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I saw some tour matches. If you think Rankin was bowling pies, Finn took it to the next level.

Did bowl some good balls in between though
 
Convict said:
I saw some tour matches. If you think Rankin was bowling pies, Finn took it to the next level.

Did bowl some good balls in between though
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What about Finn pace? is it gone too? This Rankin guy bowl with sohail tanvir pace :p
 
Convict said:
Pace on its own is useless.
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I know it's useless without brain and tools. Wahab Riaz and Tait are best examples but Finn should be given at least a few matches to see if he can do something? They are already losing so why not try different options?
 
Strike Rate said:
I know England team and their fans dont care about one days but just look at their bowling attack today they dont have any talent to introduce in limited over cricket?
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It would look better if they picked Broad, Finn and Tredwell.

I think Jordan did OK on debut, creating several chances. Rankin is obviously low on confidence.

The bowlers were not supported - the ENG fielding was terrible generally. Finch was dropped on 6.
 
sam_ahm said:
I cannot understand why Finn is not playing, he never played any of the tests so he doesn't even need rest.
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Because he can't hit the cut strip at the moment. He's been overcoached to the point where he has forgotten how to bowl. Same thing happened to Anderson in the late 2000s......
 
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Robert said:
Because he can't hit the cut strip at the moment. He's been overcoached to the point where he has forgotten how to bowl. Same thing happened to Anderson in the late 2000s......
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Guy is no.3 ODI bowler in the world. How did he suddenly forget how to bowl?

In tests, he's never known how to bowl well. He's still not really polished his game for that format. Will come with time though. His test figures flatter him, the guy doesn't keep the pressure on, bowls far too many bad balls. And often getting wickets with bad balls (a certain amount of luck). Remember that test in the Ashes where he picked up 6/5 wickets. Made his stats look good, but really he'd been bowling bad the whole test, then when Australia were looking to hit a few runs and set a declaration and hit Finn (given Finn had been bowling bad and leaking any pressure created by Broad and Anderson), they got out to him.

Finn's been really overrated in tests quite frankly. Massive potential, anyone can see that, but he isn't a very good test bowler presently.
 
Re: England bowling attack in ODI a joke?

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Because he can't hit the cut strip at the moment. He's been overcoached to the point where he has forgotten how to bowl. Same thing happened to Anderson in the late 2000s......
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How difficult can it be to go back to what worked for him in the past? Surely be can watch his old videos? No?
 
ads101 said:
Guy is no.3 ODI bowler in the world. How did he suddenly forget how to bowl?
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Badly advised by Saker, I suspect. A shame that ENG can't get Lillee to coach the faster bowlers.

Finn's been really overrated in tests quite frankly. Massive potential, anyone can see that, but he isn't a very good test bowler presently.
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He bowls a lot of wicket-taking deliveries, but also a lot of four-balls. If he can get a stock delivery and bowl that four times an over, he'll be unstoppable.
 
Robert said:
Badly advised by Saker, I suspect. A shame that ENG can't get Lillee to coach the faster bowlers.



He bowls a lot of wicket-taking deliveries, but also a lot of four-balls. If he can get a stock delivery and bowl that four times an over, he'll be unstoppable.
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In test matches he seems to do that, but from what I've seen of him in one dayers, he's actually been generally accurate and potent.

I'm quite surprised that Jordan has looked pretty decent, expected him to get carted around while taking a few wickets.

If Stokes is good enough to bat in the top 6 in tests, why can't he do it in one dayers? Dropping Bresnan and Rankin for Finn and Broad wouldn't actually lengthen the tail considering Broad and Jordan can bat.
 
Gigii said:
If Stokes is good enough to bat in the top 6 in tests, why can't he do it in one dayers? Dropping Bresnan and Rankin for Finn and Broad wouldn't actually lengthen the tail considering Broad and Jordan can bat.
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Different approach to batting in ODIs. Some people bat well in ODIs but not tests, where there are too many options and they start to overthink things.

Stokes has only played in a few ODIs, so too early to say yet.

Broad has never done much with the bat in ODIs, though he has a test century and a bunch of fifties.
 
Robert said:
Different approach to batting in ODIs. Some people bat well in ODIs but not tests, where there are too many options and they start to overthink things.

Stokes has only played in a few ODIs, so too early to say yet.

Broad has never done much with the bat in ODIs, though he has a test century and a bunch of fifties.
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Considering he first burst onto the scene as a hard hitting one day batsman? Scored a 150 for Durham IIRC. And there aren't many teams who's test number 6 isn't an integral part of their one day team (Pakistan aside :p:).

Broad has always been a good timer and can hit the ball a long way, I think he tries to be a proper batsman in ODIs when he really could just hammer the ball.
 
Robert said:
Because he can't hit the cut strip at the moment. He's been overcoached to the point where he has forgotten how to bowl. Same thing happened to Anderson in the late 2000s......
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How can that be? the last time I saw him bowl he was doing good esp in LOI's. when ENG came to India for the ODII series early in 2013 Finn was outstanding even on these flat Indian tracks. Finn is a very exciting talent, much better than the likes of Rankin (who should have been playing for Ireland anyways) and Jordan (I never even heard of him before)
 
sam_ahm said:
yes, This bowling attack is a joke, I cannot understand why Finn is not playing, he never played any of the tests so he doesn't even need rest. Broad and Anderson should also be playing, this is international cricket!
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Even with this bowling they can win against pakistan :p
 
England probably looking to get depth into batting. But the way they doing that is wrong.

Bresnan , Bopara are not 10 over bowlers.

They need to play a specialist spinner
 
Convict said:
Australian attack is pretty second string as well.
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You guys have good reserves, but isn't this mostly your main attack? Mckay is proven to be good in ODIs. Doherty, Maxwell, Watson all part of the team. You've picked Falkner who usually is in the main team these days.

Only Coulter-Nile I guess.

You have so many guys who can do the job in ODIs, it doesn't matter while of those you do pick.

England on the other hand, all these pacers suck. And none of them are close to the full strength attack.
 
ads101 said:
You guys have good reserves, but isn't this mostly your main attack? Mckay is proven to be good in ODIs. Doherty, Maxwell, Watson all part of the team. You've picked Falkner who usually is in the main team these days.

Only Coulter-Nile I guess.

You have so many guys who can do the job in ODIs, it doesn't matter while of those you do pick.

England on the other hand, all these pacers suck. And none of them are close to the full strength attack.
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Johnson, Starc, McKay would be our number 1 pace attack.
 
ads101 said:
England cricketers and England fans hardly care about LOI. That's how it is, especially how media constantly portrays LOI cricket and vaults the Ashes above anything.

LOI more families, younger kids like, but aren't usually as hard core fans.

It's really stupid, if you play a format you should try your best to win it. Not when you feel like it. Domestic is the place to test out players not LOIs.

While I do support England after Pakistan, the attitude annoys me. Think it kind of links in with a sense of complacency too which has become evident in England, when they get to the top they start getting complacent and come back down again. And the whole general ethos of every series just being a warm up to the Ashes.

Need to start to look to dominate each and every format against all teams, and just be a bit more professional. Feel England could hold down the no.1 ODI ranking if they really cared too, they've got good players in each department and at full strength (which they hardly ever are), are probably the most balanced ODI side.
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Ashes, Ashes, Ashes, Ashes, give it a break man.

Ashes are gone and won't be back for 2 more years.

With the way you're posting you make it sound like England will be playing meaningless cricket games for the next 2 years until the next Ashes rolls around.
 
Cook is quoted on cricinfo as saying Broad has a 'sore knee' which is why is not playing.
 
In LOI cricket over the last 2-3 years, Finn and Johnson have been the best overseas bowlers to tour India (better than Steyn too). That must say something about their abilities. So if Finnished, must mean something terribly wrong with the England setup - surely Venky Prasad hasn't been wroking his magic there too?

Regarding England allegedly not caring about ODI cricket - 3 WC finals lost, hardly any triangular series wins. Well that sort of thing depresses you over a couple of decades and eventually turns into a 'we don't care' attitude. It's a defensive reaction and nothing else.
 
still better than the likes of Ealham Austin Mullaly Hollioake Irani
 
England need to move on from bresnan for sure. Just doesn't look good enough anymore.

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The lack of experience in england bowling ranks is clearly apparent and in addition the lack of skill in the bowling attack is there for all to see, also picking numerous all-rounders to act as frontline bowlers in current game is a massive risk as well.
 
Kianig89 said:
i think the catches were special nothing else he looked like in wrong sports should have been Right winger for Burnley FC
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Well for someone who's in the wrong sport he seems to be doing fine..

Career average of 25 after 2 games, but it's too early to say much.
 
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Where is Stuart Meaker they guy they took to India i thought he looked decent and can reverse as well

But you have to say Eng have unearthed the most mediocre players in international cricket

Ajmal Shehzad Lian Plunkett James Kirtley John Lewis Rikki Clarke Anthony McGrath Chris Read Geriant Jones Ashley Giles ...........Micheal Yardy
 
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But I agree Stokes over should have been bowled by Jordan that was a massive blunder on Cooks part.
 
I was surprised Jordan didn't bowl his quota but he isn't a death bowler. None of the English bowlers are, they're all back of a length top of off.
 
broad and tredwell back in attack but still thw bowling looking clueless i think england team is mentally down and it will take time for them to recover.
 
The thing is, I can't think of many young bowlers who would have fared any better. Apart from someone like Reece Topley who's very much in the McGrath mould, everyone else are big fast bowlers who probably would have gone at 5.5/6 rpo as well.

But let's be honest, if I were an international bowler facing Jordan, Rankin, Stokes, Bopara and Tredwell instead of Finn, Broad, Swann, you gotta fancy scoring.

More over, I just don't get this idea of using Stokes and Bopara as front line seamers, neither are and Stokes is arguably a 4th seamer at best at the moment.
 
Bresnan Stokes n Bopara what are they as bowlers gentle medium pace on these hard wickets where ball will come on nicely and also all of them after 10-12 overs which means no swing for them similarly green outfields and 2 new balls mean no reverse as well what are England's coaching staff doing they say we have best programs at Lions level and blah blah where are the results
 
And we were laughing on India while England death bowling is a joke too! just watch today match against west indies or the matches against australia.
 
Strike Rate said:
And we were laughing on India while England death bowling is a joke too! just watch today match against west indies or the matches against australia.
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Good you bumped it i was searching it but HTTP error was shown laughable death bowling or should be say brutal :133: by Sammy n DJ
 
Kianig89 said:
Good you bumped it i was searching it but HTTP error was shown laughable death bowling or should be say brutal :133: by Sammy n DJ
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yes i was just thinking why only our parosis should go through this feeling this bump will make them happy they are not alone!
 
Bump what's in store for today for a change Dernbach has a wicket:))
 
How can things change so suddenly. England seriously was a world beater side in August-ish and now look :O
 
yes it's very average. Dernbach is just...well.... dernbach. Jordan is unexperienced and Bresnan is an all-rounder so has to focus on both. Broad is good too but can't do it all himself. I don't see why they don't give Anderson a chance in t20s even though he's over rated
 
Bump its becoming a routine here pathetic as ever Dernbach etal
 
I flicked over and in under 3 minutes of watching Tredwell being destroyed I changed the channel. Horrible stuff, England are woeful. Time for a new team.
 
Bump

The NZ's thrashing of Pakistan has taken center stage at PP but this humbling of Eng should not go unnoticed who are these noobs like Gunrey :))
 
menace2society said:
Horrible stuff, England are woeful. Time for a new team.
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I wouldn't go that far. I'd drop Cook and probably Bell and bring in Hales and Ballance - the latter can hit it miles. When Broad comes back the bowling will look stronger.
 
The current one with no Broad and Anderson is definitely a joke! Only Finn is decent!
 
The only decent bowlers in their side are Tredwell and Finn. Tredwell actually bowls tight and gets wickets while drying up the runs. Finn is just coming back from injury so he will need time before he reaches his peak.
 
why is Anderson resting from ODI tours to Asia in the last 3years? hiding?

and what has he done to be rated 'highly' among the English pacers in odis?
 
Gurney was very good in England. He toiled hard and got wickets quite frequently against Sri Lanka earlier this year but I don't know what's happening this tour. He hasn't been consistent in line and length, so he hasn't been able to put batsman under pressure consistently.

But still. Keep an eye on this dude. He's one with a lot of potential.
 
Lethalweapon said:
why is Anderson resting from ODI tours to Asia in the last 3years? hiding?

and what has he done to be rated 'highly' among the English pacers in odis?
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He's very lethal with the new ball in England. Swings it both ways and does it by quite some distance.
 
Anderson
Broad
Finn
Woakes
Moeen
Bopara

^ Seems a pretty strong lineup.
 
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