How do you see Mohandas Gandhi? Founder of India, an impostor or an overrated leader

How do you see Mohandas Gandhi?


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The legacy of Mohandas Gandhi also known as Mahatma Gandhi has never been so polarized as it had become in recent times. So how do you guys especially Indians see his legacy.

Do you guys reckon him as Founder of India, just a great leader, an imposter, an overrated leader or something else?
 
Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose was and remains the real hero. Regarding Gandhi, I don't have much to say. I do have my regards for him but he is certainly not what he is portrayed to be.
 
The man who did most damage to India and Hindus in 6 months he lived after independence.if not for him population exchange would have taken place and all the troubles we faced and currently in future we are going to face would have been negated drastically.
 
I know the direction he wants to take this discussion and somehow bring (and blame) Modi here but that is simply not going to work. Even we bhakts don't think about Modi so much as my dear friend.

No one is alive now when Gandhi ji was present. So we often have to go by what history books say. And by going by those history books, he seemed like a decent man. Wonder why Nehru didn't offer such a noble man the PM role after Britisher's left and hogged the limelight himself.

:kp
 
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Gandhi was one among the many popular freedom fighters in India. He had his own way to dealing with an occupying force. His way is extreme pacifism and non-violence. Many of his followers were killed by British in following the path made by Gandhi.
While the followers of Gandhi were dying and beaten up at the hands of British forces, Gandhi used to be put in prison where he continued his fast and non-violence ways. Gandhi was never an existential threat to Brit rule. He was more of a nuisance for them.

Whether Gandhi's non-violent ways worked or not, it can be debated for years. But the British were leaving India anyway after the WW2. Following independence, the leftist historians have ensured that Gandhi was made the face of the Indian freedom struggle. Indian Congress party still milk Gandhi's name in elections. As kids we were singing songs on how Gandhi gave us freedom from oppressive British rule :ROFLMAO:

The brainwashing starts early.
 
I don't have an opinion on him. But, many people worldwide connect India to Gandhi. To them, Gandhi may symbolize India.

One thing is for sure and that is Gandhi had more class/grace/decency than Modi.
 
I know the direction he wants to take this discussion and somehow bring (and blame) Modi here but that is simply not going to work. Even we bhakts don't think about Modi so much as my dear friend.

No one is alive now when Gandhi ji was present. So we often have to go by what history books say. And by going by those history books, he seemed like a decent man. Wonder why Nehru didn't offer such a noble man the PM role after Britisher's left and hogged the limelight himself.

:kp
This is basically a poll thread to ascertain how majority of Indians see Mr Gandhi's legacy.
 
This is basically a poll thread to ascertain how majority of Indians see Mr Gandhi's legacy.

Indian Rupee note has Gandhiji's photo.

Gandhi ji's birthday is a national holiday in India.

So obviously, Indians consider his legacy very highly.

However, like everything else, people have individual opinion which sometimes can be contrary to the wider world.

Osama Bin Laden is widely considered world's most notorious terrorist. However, few people believes he was a freedom fighter.

So there are no right or wrong answer to these questions.
 
He was fundamentally a good man with odd quirks here and there.
He was testing his Nigrahan Shakti AKA celibacy powers.

Things that are never taught in schools. All we are taught is that he single handedly won freedom for India without ever lifting a weapon. He did all of that spinning a Charka at the banks of Sabarmati river. Brits got scared and gave India independence. :ROFLMAO:

Who can forget the hit Bollywood song -
"
de dii hame aazadii bina khadag bina dhal
sabaramati ke sant tune kar diya kamal
andhi main bhi jalati rahi gandhi teri mashal

"
 
I don't have an opinion on him. But, many people worldwide connect India to Gandhi. To them, Gandhi may symbolize India.

One thing is for sure and that is Gandhi had more class/grace/decency than Modi.
Why so? Gandhi ji had more class bcoz he gave Muslim's a separate land in 1947 and demanded India with majority of Hindus to remain secular?

Modi ji is bad bcoz he removed the autonomy of Kashmir which was a historical mistake by Nehru?

The fact that Pakistanis and Bangladeshis unanimously hates Modi itself a testimony that he is doing something right.

Long may this burn continue...
 
Why so? Gandhi ji had more class bcoz he gave Muslim's a separate land in 1947 and demanded India with majority of Hindus to remain secular?

Modi ji is bad bcoz he removed the autonomy of Kashmir which was a historical mistake by Nehru?

The fact that Pakistanis and Bangladeshis unanimously hates Modi itself a testimony that he is doing something right.

Long may this burn continue...
You always tend to forget Gujrat riots, drama like surgical strikes too. Also his anti Muslim rhetoric. It's not just Kashmir status only.
 
What you said and quoted was true but it may have steered the discussion entirely to his personal life rather than political one. Hope you understand
He was fundamentally a good man with odd quirks here and there.
 
Al-Qaeda would have elected OBL each and every time if he were to contest election just as Hindutva would elect Modi.
Al Qaeda is not a nation. You are comparing Apples to Oranges.

If you are from that group, you cannot go against OBL.

India is a democracy. Some vote for Modi and others vote against him. There is a choice to overthrow the government through the process of General elections.
 
He was fundamentally a good man with odd quirks here and there.
He had phases of his life which were very questionable. As he grew old, he seems to have changed his views on many things. He only became Maha-atma much later in his life. Before that he was just an Average-Atma. Your typical Indian who went abroad to try his luck and make it big.

His intentions were good. His execution is not everyone's cup of tea. I have no issue with him being called as a freedom fighter. But he was elevated to the next level by Congress who self appointed themselves as a thekedars of all Indians freedom struggle. Indian history post independence was written by leftists and communists. We only get the history from their warped vision.
 
Lol Hitler would have many elections too had WW2 not happened.
It is not you but your jealousy and helplessness speaking.

Btw, the same Hitler who said 'Gas the Jews' right?
 
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Al-Qaeda would have elected OBL each and every time if he were to contest election just as Hindutva would elect Modi.

Okay, thank you for that amazing information and comparison. You won my heart 🤡
 
Okay, thank you for that amazing information and comparison. You won my heart 🤡

Ah, I see you've misunderstood entirely. Let me clarify in a way even you might grasp. That comment was never intended for you, nor was it some feeble attempt to 'win your heart.' As a devotee of Hindutva, your worldview is so skewed that you view every Muslim as sub-human, so frankly, the idea of winning your heart is laughably impossible.

The comment was crafted for the benefit of others, to expose just how absurd your defense was, defending someone notorious for their blatant bigotry. It's almost impressive how you managed to miss the point so spectacularly.
 
Al Qaeda is not a nation. You are comparing Apples to Oranges.

If you are from that group, you cannot go against OBL.

India is a democracy. Some vote for Modi and others vote against him. There is a choice to overthrow the government through the process of General elections.
"IF"

give it another try.
 
Ah, I see you've misunderstood entirely. Let me clarify in a way even you might grasp. That comment was never intended for you, nor was it some feeble attempt to 'win your heart.' As a devotee of Hindutva, your worldview is so skewed that you view every Muslim as sub-human, so frankly, the idea of winning your heart is laughably impossible.

What? You quoted me directly...so how was that not directed to me? 🤡

The comment was crafted for the benefit of others, to expose just how absurd your defense was, defending someone notorious for their blatant bigotry. It's almost impressive how you managed to miss the point so spectacularly.
What are you even talking about? Whom did I defend and whose blatant bigotry?

:rp
 
What? You quoted me directly...so how was that not directed to me? 🤡


What are you even talking about? Whom did I defend and whose blatant bigotry?

:rp
Ah, the confusion continues. Let me break it down for you in simpler terms. This is a forum, and a direct quote doesn’t mean I'm singling you out. Your comment was merely a convenient example to illustrate an important point, certainly not an attempt to make you feel loved.

You’ve become the poster child for Hindutva, defending anything and everything related to Modi’s agenda with unwavering devotion.

But let’s not make this all about you. Try, if you can, to actually address the substance of the comment. And if that proves too challenging, feel free to just ignore it.
 
It is not you but your jealousy and helplessness speaking.

Btw, the same Hitler who said 'Gas the Jews' right?
Triggered that i exposed the dumbness of your argument. You are telling us Hitler is bad because he gased jews but what about Muslim Killings in Gujrat riots.

So Modi's election victories clean his past crime but no no, not that for Hitler. Sell this nonsense to someone else.
 
Triggered that i exposed the dumbness of your argument. You are telling us Hitler is bad because he gased jews but what about Muslim Killings in Gujrat riots.

So Modi's election victories clean his past crime but no no, not that for Hitler. Sell this nonsense to someone else.

I have debated about Gujarat riots multiple times here. It was triggered when Islamists decided to torch down the train carrying Hindu pilgrims. If this kind of thing happens again in future, Gujarat like riots will happen again too. Remember India has 80% Hindus and Muslims were given separate country in 1947. If you still attack us, Hindu's will give back in the same language. I thought all of these is very easy to understand.

Modi didn't win bcoz of Gujarat...he won despite of Gujarat based on the development work he did on that state. Then again, there is no point in justifying that to you. He won 3 times as PM and will win again if he contests in 2029. You are free to compare him with Hitler as if anyone cares
 
MKG was the best thing that happened to Muslims in the Indian subcontinent and the worst thing that happened to Hindus without them knowing about it(even to date !). Now add JN :mad:



@CricketCartoons
 
when Today is your birthday but nobody is following Ahinsha.

Happy Gandhi jayanti
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Gandhi did what he did, and none of us were around then. However luck played a key role, I mean it wasn't his pacifism that lead to the British fleeing and India gaining independence, it was more down to WW2 and how the war decimated the British, and ended the Empire for good.

As for the usual mentioning Modi - Modi is alive yet the Hindutva cult flee India to the promises of the Western world. Turns out Modi's promises were duds.
 
Gandhi did what he did, and none of us were around then. However luck played a key role, I mean it wasn't his pacifism that lead to the British fleeing and India gaining independence, it was more down to WW2 and how the war decimated the British, and ended the Empire for good.

As for the usual mentioning Modi - Modi is alive yet the Hindutva cult flee India to the promises of the Western world. Turns out Modi's promises were duds.
Mohammad Ali Jinnah fought tooth and nail to secure Pakistan for Muslims from the subcontinent. Yet people decided to abandon the same country that Jinnah fought so hard for, and instead chose to move to the UK and plead allegiance to the Queen of UK, the same country whom Jinnah fought against to secure Pakistan.

Why exactly?​
 
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He was fundamentally a good man with odd quirks here and there.
He was an idiot who set India back a country by a couple of decades with his drama.

He was too dumb to realize that the call pakistan was not going to be dissuaged and should have looked after the interest of Indians rather than West and east pakistanis. Th Gandhi-Nehru is deep rooted in Indian society and is causing a great deal of damage to India
 
Ideological differences aside, I respect Gandhi Ji's global stardom, the most influential man from South Asia, ever. <3
 
Promoted so that the citizens remain submissive to the establishment.

Ironically West with all its advanced weapons promotes Gandhi to non-westerners.
 
If there is one Indian that I respect, than that has to be Gandhi. The reason for that is how our Pakistani books have labelled him and never told the truth.

Alot of people dont know this, but Gandhi died for Pakistan's rights, and its quite ironic considering no Politician ever from Pakistan died for their own country's rights.

Yet Gandhi is made to either look like a villain

Even India tries to hide this as well and go on trying to find logic with Godse's views, but only a few recognized that Gandhi's last protest was for Pakistan's rights, where he said that their share of the money should be given to them and the muslims that were in India should be treated fairly.

But no one wants to remember that, so India tries to hide his last protest which was in favor of Pakistan's rights, while Pakistan tries to hide the fact that Gandhi stood up for both Pakistan's and Muslims rights
 
My Jetha (Mother’s oldest sister’s husband) was born in 1932. He passed away in 2020. He even got the opportunity to once see Gandhi in person in our state. In was in a railway station.

He told us that Indians back then viewed Gandhi almost like a God like figure. It was almost blasphemy for the common man to say anything against him. He was worshipped to the extent that no Indian has ever been since.​
 
Guess who said this:

"Hindus should not harbour anger against Muslims even if the latter want to destroy and kill us all. We should face death bravely. If Muslims established their rule after killing all Hindus, we would be ushering in a new India
."
 
Guess who said this:

"Hindus should not harbour anger against Muslims even if the latter want to destroy and kill us all. We should face death bravely. If Muslims established their rule after killing all Hindus, we would be ushering in a new India."
Read that over X. But no reference was given, so I can't confirm it's true or not.
 
Read that over X. But no reference was given, so I can't confirm it's true or not.

It is true ... Source: " Collected works of Gandhi "pg 218-219

Iam not going to call him by the ridiculous title,
 
It is true ... Source: " Collected works of Gandhi "pg 218-219

Iam not going to call him by the ridiculous title,
His eldest son even converted to Islam for a while to antagonise his father. By the way, he was a miserable father. That much is for sure going by the way how he raised his children.
 
If there is one Indian that I respect, than that has to be Gandhi. The reason for that is how our Pakistani books have labelled him and never told the truth.

Alot of people dont know this, but Gandhi died for Pakistan's rights, and its quite ironic considering no Politician ever from Pakistan died for their own country's rights.

Yet Gandhi is made to either look like a villain

Even India tries to hide this as well and go on trying to find logic with Godse's views, but only a few recognized that Gandhi's last protest was for Pakistan's rights, where he said that their share of the money should be given to them and the muslims that were in India should be treated fairly.

But no one wants to remember that, so India tries to hide his last protest which was in favor of Pakistan's rights, while Pakistan tries to hide the fact that Gandhi stood up for both Pakistan's and Muslims rights
Indians don’t hide Gandhi’s love for Pakistan and Muslims over Dharmic religion, it was just not well known , Punjabis and Bengalis always knew it, now everyone knows it and hence why the downfall of so called Mahatma.
 
He was a sick person who doesn't deserve to be glorified. His "experiments" would now lead to long term imprisonment or worse.
 
The reason why india is a vibrant democracy among all other nations that got independence post ww2 is their freedom movement. It planted the seeds of democracy all over during the freedom struggle and gandhi was the leader of the freedom movement.

Before him congress was 2 factions
Extremists. Led by tilak
Moderates led by gokale
Gandhi mixed both their ideals and formed satyagraha protests influenced by ancient indian dharma which found acceptance in both camps and the common people.he turned congress from 100 odd lawyers gathering for 3 days every year into a mass movement.

He had 20 years of experiance in fighting against the british in south africa and fully knew the strength and the weakness of the british empire.
 
Not a take on the man himself but on the people of this region and in general.

The British humiliated and punished him all his life and he’s called a British agent.

He walked the entire length of Bharat during freedom struggle yet today neither Pakistanis, nor Hindus hold him in high regard in general.

It is safe to say what failed the most is not Gandhi but the ideology of passive resistance, non violence , of being a giver rather than a taker. The people of today are more inclined towards leaders who have an aggressive tone and dare people to achieve things by force at whatever cost.

Gandhi is looked down upon by millions of Hindus today because as per them he always favoured Muslims over Hindus yet it’s not like Muslims made them their leader and icon. They have their own Muslim leaders and do not give a damn to Gandhi’s legacy, rather for years Pakistanis have tried their best to humiliate him in the worst manner possible. Only when Hindutva became a force within Bharat did I see a decrease in insults from Pakistan’s side because now they can use him to say he was a better Bharatiya than the ones today. Everyone is opportunistic.
 
Gandhi was one among the many popular freedom fighters in India. He had his own way to dealing with an occupying force. His way is extreme pacifism and non-violence. Many of his followers were killed by British in following the path made by Gandhi.
While the followers of Gandhi were dying and beaten up at the hands of British forces, Gandhi used to be put in prison where he continued his fast and non-violence ways. Gandhi was never an existential threat to Brit rule. He was more of a nuisance for them.

Whether Gandhi's non-violent ways worked or not, it can be debated for years. But the British were leaving India anyway after the WW2. Following independence, the leftist historians have ensured that Gandhi was made the face of the Indian freedom struggle. Indian Congress party still milk Gandhi's name in elections. As kids we were singing songs on how Gandhi gave us freedom from oppressive British rule :ROFLMAO:

The brainwashing starts early.

How do you explain the worldwide admiration for Gandhi? He has become seen as one of the great leaders of the past century, to the extent there was even a Hollywood movie made about him.
 
Both fight for their country
Both abandoned their wives for Bharat ( one consummated his marriage, the other was so devout he refused)
Both promote Swadeshi.
Both have rumours about sick deviant activities.


That's why while extremists Hindus seem to want to put down Gandhiji. Their leader and master bows his head to his mentor.

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How do you explain the worldwide admiration for Gandhi? He has become seen as one of the great leaders of the past century, to the extent there was even a Hollywood movie made about him.

I think politically speaking Gandhi was the kind of personality you would want to promote as an iconic figure because it serves a purpose.

Having said that the world moved on to a point it is pointless to debate about leaders of 100s of years ago. People are still obsessed to put one over the other when it just doesn’t matter anymore.

We should look to the future.
 
How do you explain the worldwide admiration for Gandhi? He has become seen as one of the great leaders of the past century, to the extent there was even a Hollywood movie made about him.
Gandhi is a chocolate boy for globalist and woke leftist brigade. Hollywood is part of it. They will prop up anyone who is against white tyranny. Gandhi's involvement in freedom struggle against white British is a perfect setup for Woke Westerners.

As I said Gandhi's tactics would not have worked had Britain became a super power after WW2 instead of Soviets and USA. All Indians would be rallying behind Rahul Gandhi now and getting our behinds whooped everyday by Brit officers while RaGa would be in prison watching Chota Bheem and spinning his Charkha.:rolleyes:
 
Hero, we have a mural of him somewhere in small heath or sparkhill I believe
 
Gandhi is a chocolate boy for globalist and woke leftist brigade. Hollywood is part of it. They will prop up anyone who is against white tyranny. Gandhi's involvement in freedom struggle against white British is a perfect setup for Woke Westerners.

As I said Gandhi's tactics would not have worked had Britain became a super power after WW2 instead of Soviets and USA. All Indians would be rallying behind Rahul Gandhi now and getting our behinds whooped everyday by Brit officers while RaGa would be in prison watching Chota Bheem and spinning his Charkha.:rolleyes:

That doesn't make sense. Hindus now despise him because he was a spindly pacifist who portrayed their people as pushovers, yet the globalist woke left - according to you - love him because he stood up to white tyranny. Which is it? :unsure:
 
The truth just like with most great people is somewhere in the middle.

He had his quirks but not like he had 0 redeeming qualities. Not a fan but not a hater.
 
That doesn't make sense. Hindus now despise him because he was a spindly pacifist who portrayed their people as pushovers, yet the globalist woke left - according to you - love him because he stood up to white tyranny. Which is it? :unsure:
It depends on which side you are looking at him from. If you are a globalist and a tree hugging pacifist types, then Gandhi is right in your alley. The West in the past 50 or so years have been shifting to leftist principles. So Gandhi would appeal to them.

India under Modi is not exactly that Gandhi would've dreamt of. They want to get rid of the soft and meek India and portray it as a muscular nation which will not sit down silently, take the abuse and hope that the abuser will be tired of abusing and has a change of heart and do a Jinga lala dance together.

Congress is still into appeasing politics and dividing Hindus in the name of caste, language and have India with no cultural identity.. Hindutva is exactly the opposite of what Congress is. So many Indians especially the youth see Gandhi was weak and meek.
 
How do you explain the worldwide admiration for Gandhi? He has become seen as one of the great leaders of the past century, to the extent there was even a Hollywood movie made about him.
His worldwide admiration comes from the fact that West prefers that non western nations are pacifist and they only remain with nukes and best missile systems.
The world that admires him maybe should become pacifist first and then they can admire him.
 
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