How does the present-day Jasprit Bumrah compare with the likes of Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis?

[Ab Fan]

If you remove BD and Zim, Waqar’s wickets tally would drop from 373 to 293 wickets@25.5.

Remove BD and WI for Bumrah and his wickets tally drops from 210 to 186 wickets@21. Same WI who recently destroyed Australia in Australia.

Waqar has attained his greatness via minnow bashing and hugely benefited via ball tampering as his skills with new ball were very limited.Bumrah is more versatile than him and far more skillful and picks top teams wickets and not boosts his stats via minnow bashing.

 

[Ab Fan]

Performance vs top teams remains the ultimate metric to decide who is better player and if the difference is huge, it is clear that the gap is wide enough between the two players. I will compare Waqar and Wasim vs Bumrah but I am not claiming that Bumrah has gone past Wasim yet.

Waqar vs top teams( Aus, WI, SA):

Matches - 32
Wickets - 109
Avg - 27.4
5-fers - 4

Bumrah vs top teams( Aus, SA, Eng):

Matches - 35
Wickets - 167
Avg - 20.1
5-fers - 11

Wasim vs top teams( Aus, SA, WI):

Matches - 34
Wickets - 142
Avg - 23
5-fers - 8

The gulf is massive when it comes to performance vs top teams. With that difference, it is quite obvious that Waqar cashed on heavily vs minnow nations or teams that at certain point were as good as minnows( like NZ in 90s, SL till 1995). You have to be absolutely hypocrite to believe that Bumrah needs to do this or that to surpass Waqar at this point.

He is also better than Wasim in that regards but unlike some other posters who post only those facts which help them state their agenda and hide several other facts, I am not one of those and completely accepts that Bumrah got a little bit more to do to be equivalent or surpass Wasim.

 

[mominsaigol]

Ho gaya tumhara, one person used Bradmans example in a totally different context and now you are here crying that Indians compared Bunrah with Bradman and now you will use ghis to ridicule Bumrah if his average goes from 19.2 to 19.6, lol.

Bumrah is a generational bowler and the best of this decade, that’s more than enough to say he is rightly rated as an ATG.

Then that one person sachin fan can defend himself. Seriously where is he .

After the game between England and India where did he go

 

[BouncerGuy]

GUYS PLEASE.

NO PERSONAL STUFF NOW...

 

[mominsaigol]

Performance vs top teams remains the ultimate metric to decide who is better player and if the difference is huge, it is clear that the gap is wide enough between the two players. I will compare Waqar and Wasim vs Bumrah but I am not claiming that Bumrah has gone past Wasim yet.

Waqar vs top teams( Aus, WI, SA):

Matches - 32
Wickets - 109
Avg - 27.4
5-fers - 4

Bumrah vs top teams( Aus, SA, Eng):

Matches - 35
Wickets - 167
Avg - 20.1
5-fers - 11

Wasim vs top teams( Aus, SA, WI):

Matches - 34
Wickets - 142
Avg - 23
5-fers - 8

The gulf is massive when it comes to performance vs top teams. With that difference, it is quite obvious that Waqar cashed on heavily vs minnow nations or teams that at certain point were as good as minnows( like NZ in 90s, SL till 1995). You have to be absolutely hypocrite to believe that Bumrah needs to do this or that to surpass Waqar at this point.

He is also better than Wasim in that regards but unlike some other posters who post only those facts which help them state their agenda and hide several other facts, I am not one of those and completely accepts that Bumrah got a little bit more to do to be equivalent or surpass Wasim.

I think even Indians will laugh at you being neutral and not agenda based

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Michael Holding and Joel Garner are bonafide ATG and they have taken 249 and 259 test wkts respectively.
Bumrah is already an ATG, no need to take 300 wkts or anything of that sort.

 

[mominsaigol]

Michael Holding and Joel Garner are bonafide ATG and they have taken 249 and 259 test wkts respectively.
Bumrah is already an ATG, no need to take 300 wkts or anything of that sort.

Indians providing new metrics for Bumrah

1) No need to take wickets
2) No need to bowl consistently, only bowl when you want per session.
3) No need to play test games
4) No need to bowl with a legal action
5) No need to take 10 fers
6) No need to improve avg vs NZ
7) No need to help india win test games
8) No need to be embrassed by letting a 19 year old rookie humiliate it. Media will cover that up.
9) No need to win wtc, just fake injuries and everyone will forgive the 2021 atrocities of Bumrah.

Bonafide ATG bro

 

[just a fan]

@Sachin fan Bradman Bumrah cant take a wicket vs England

Coping harder I see

 

[mominsaigol]

Coping harder I see

Just a fan realising that he is Just a fan like Bumrah in the 2nd test

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Indians providing new metrics for Bumrah

1) No need to take wickets
2) No need to bowl consistently, only bowl when you want per session.
3) No need to play test games
4) No need to bowl with a legal action
5) No need to take 10 fers
6) No need to improve avg vs NZ
7) No need to help india win test games
8) No need to be embrassed by letting a 19 year old rookie humiliate it. Media will cover that up.
9) No need to win wtc, just fake injuries and everyone will forgive the 2021 atrocities of Bumrah.

Bonafide ATG bro

Yeah, doesn’t change what I wrote.
Holding and Garner are ATGs. I know you
Might not even know their names but google it.
You should stick to t20 cricket btw.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah, doesn’t change what I wrote.
Holding and Garner are ATGs. I know you
Might not even know their names but google it.
You should stick to t20 cricket btw.

Look at my posts on both of them . I have mentioned them multiple times.

Garner is overrated in test cricket. He's viewed as a goat cause of ODI where he was genuinely a goat. Otherwise Garner had a freakish bowling unit and a gun fielding team.

Garner is defo a goat, but he is slightly overrated in test. Shouldn't be mentioned alongside Mcgrath. But yes Garner is leagues >>>>> Bumrah and atg in test.

We all saw Bumrah's gand vs Konstas and England. Utterly stat padder. Coward hid himself and waited for the new ball vs Travis Head in BGT . It was so brutally obvious but thank god for England confirming it.

A chucker who bowls in a bowling friendly era where the quality of test batters have fallen minus root and smith who are outliers.

The likes of root use to be seen as common place in test, but now he is objectively no 2 in the world cause the batters are bavuma, Williamson, Latham, Jamie smith .

Despite this he feels the need to stat pad cause Mr huff and puff i cant bowl more then 5 over

 

[BouncerGuy]

GUYS, PLEASE WATCH YOUR POSTS NOW

 

[mominsaigol]

In all my playing years spanning over three decades, I have come across many chuckers, and one strikingly common trait I have noticed in about 80 to 90 percent of them is this: they fully open their chest, overextend their back, and angle their bodies in awkward ways. It often seems like they are trying to exaggerate the effort they are putting in to make their action appear more natural, when in reality, it is usually masking a suspect action. What makes it even more amusing is how consistently this pattern shows up, whether they are spinners or fast bowlers. That is why I found the pictures @mominsaigol posted earlier of Ajmal and Bumrah so funny, they perfectly capture those classic chucking poses.

What you stated is exactly what Perth Crowd felt. It was the first time in history since the Bodlyline which happened over 90+ years ago that Aussie crowd was furious.

Aussie crowd has only barked 2x. Once against england during bodyline and the other against bumrah during bgt.

Aussies have always been sharp as well, since they were the first to call out Ajmal as well.

Its just I wish Australia was louder in this regard and confronted icc. Despite barking at Ajmal for years, they never took action and ajmal was only confronted due to that domestic match where the players had enough.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

What you stated is exactly what Perth Crowd felt. It was the first time in history since the Bodlyline which happened over 90+ years ago that Aussie crowd was furious.

Aussie crowd has only barked 2x. Once against england during bodyline and the other against bumrah during bgt.

Aussies have always been sharp as well, since they were the first to call out Ajmal as well.

Its just I wish Australia was louder in this regard and confronted icc. Despite barking at Ajmal for years, they never took action and ajmal was only confronted due to that domestic match where the players had enough.

Lol, no Australian has ever called out Bumrah, you are living in some delusion.

Btw how did your mind change 180 degree about Bumrah

 

[mominsaigol]

Lol, no Australian has ever called out Bumrah, you are living in some delusion.

Btw how did your mind change 180 degree about Bumrah

First of all of Perth called him out. Its common knowledge. Do some research before tagging me 24/7.

Secondly I've made it clear that I am a pakistani fan? How many times must I state that I'm a dual citizen but even if I wasn't i dont care. I enjoy it when other sides smack india? I've made that brutally obvious?

I stated i stopped supporting pak due to babar and rizwan. As soon as they left the t20 circuit I started supporting the t20 side? Everyone knows this?

You guys start conspiracy theories, spread them around, yet end up failing as no one believes you except your own kind and then you guys vanish into the abyss?

The guy who called Bradman = Bumrah and tried to mock me? He vanished

The only thing I appreciate about you is that atleast your standing your ground lol. You guys honestly need to chill.

It aint a big deal. Its just a cricket match bro.

 

[mominsaigol]

First of all of Perth called him out. Its common knowledge. Do some research before tagging me 24/7.

Secondly I've made it clear that I am a pakistani fan? How many times must I state that I'm a dual citizen but even if I wasn't i dont care. I enjoy it when other sides smack india? I've made that brutally obvious?

I stated i stopped supporting pak due to babar and rizwan. As soon as they left the t20 circuit I started supporting the t20 side? Everyone knows this?

You guys start conspiracy theories, spread them around, yet end up failing as no one believes you except your own kind and then you guys vanish into the abyss?

The guy who called Bradman = Bumrah and tried to mock me? He vanished

The only thing I appreciate about you is that atleast your standing your ground lol. You guys honestly need to chill.

It aint a big deal. Its just a cricket match bro.

Momin: I wont support Pakistan until babar and rizwan leave.

Babar and rizwan leave the t20 circuit.

Momin: ayt time to start supporting Pakistan for NZ and Bang.

Indians: Aha, Pakistani fan spotted, we caught you, you liar.

Momin:

 

[Ball Blazer]

Former Pakistani cricketer Abdur Rouf:

"I am surprised by those former Indian players who compare Bumrah with Wasim Akram It wouldn't be surprising if a common person with no understanding of cricket said such a stupid thing, but if a Test cricketer did this, it means that he either has no knowledge of cricket or is a bigot of the highest order. Waseem Akram with out any doubt was one the greatest fast bowler of cricket history, No one can ever match with his greatest natural skills."

 

[Mamoon]

Michael Holding and Joel Garner are bonafide ATG and they have taken 249 and 259 test wkts respectively.
Bumrah is already an ATG, no need to take 300 wkts or anything of that sort.

But I don’t think Holding and Garner were sissy cowards like Bumrah, who would sit out of the second Test of a 5 match series with their team 1-0 down, that too at the age of 31.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I rate him. He's a terrific bowler. But I go back to the same question I have asked Indians for a while.

Is Jasprit Bumrah was to retire tomorrow would he an all time great of the game?

For me. The answer is no.

He probably well up as one at the end of his career. But at this moment in time, it's too early to declare it definitively.

 

[Mamoon]

Bumrah acts as if he is gonna die if he plays multiple Tests in a row. His “workload” is a self-constructed myth anyway. He has only played 46 Tests by the age of 31, hasn’t played a lot of domestic FC cricket either.

India’s next Test is in October, a two match series vs the West Indies at home. He can easily skip that series, so there is no workload to manage.

It’s very embarrassing to see him sit out after just 1 Test in England with India 1-0 down. It is not defendable, but jingoistic Indians will defend everything.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

But I don’t think Holding and Garner were sissy cowards like Bumrah, who would sit out of the second Test of a 5 match series with their team 1-0 down, that too at the age of 31.

No one gives a frick about that.

This is the first time he is sitting out in between a series lol, he played all 5 tests in Aus, the way you are describing it seems like he does it in every series.

Quite sure that Holding and Garner skipped more matches in between a series than Bumrah.

 

[IMMY69]

Waqar averaged around 20/21 in his first 40 tests, but he broke his back well before reaching this many test matches.... he then went onto play for another 12 years and still ended his career with a decentish average in both formats...

Point is that comparing Bumrah with Wasim is already a fallacy, he's not even Waqar level yet

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Waqar averaged around 20/21 in his first 40 tests, but he broke his back well before reaching this many test matches.... he then went onto play for another 12 years and still ended his career with a decentish average in both formats...

Point is that comparing Bumrah with Wasim is already a fallacy, he's not even Waqar level yet

Yeah no, pull down Waqars numbers against top teams and let alone Bumrah his numbers look like Kapil Devs. Add ball tampering to that and there is no comparison.

Another good thing with Bumrah is that his name wasn’t in Justice Qayyums report so his image is clean.

 

[Ab Fan]

We must not forget that Bumrah has played 40 tests vs Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and England. These are the top 4 teams of his era. He averages 21.39 against them.

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Waqar, on other hand played 36 tests vs Australia, Windies, South Africa and India over his entire career. That is top 4 teams of his era and he averages 28.86 against them.

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Bumrah is miles ahead of Waqar even if he retires today.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

We must not forget that Bumrah has played 40 tests vs Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and England. These are the top 4 teams of his era. He averages 21.39 against them.

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Waqar, on other hand played 36 tests vs Australia, Windies, South Africa and India over his entire career. That is top 4 teams of his era and he averages 28.86 against them.

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Bumrah is miles ahead of Waqar even if he retires today.

Add away filter into this and they won’t even be in the same galaxy.

 

[mominsaigol]

Add away filter into this and they won’t even be in the same galaxy.

Bumrah > waqar. That much i agree. Easy to be > Many others if you're a cucker

 

[Ab Fan]

Add away filter into this and they won’t even be in the same galaxy.

This is combining home and away both. Waqar was even worse away from home. He is a massive beneficiary of using tampered balls in home conditions. You could say the same about Imran and Wasim too but they had the skills to do well away from home vs top countries. Waqar was just an average bowler in those countries.

He was only good in bowling those yorkers in white ball cricket to relatively mediocre batters but would often leak runs and an easy opponent for any world class batter.

Fact is against top 4 opponents,

Bumrah at age 31 - WKts 176, Avg 21
Waqar at retirement- Wkts 109, Avg 29

 

[Ab Fan]

^ correction- 117 wkts, Avg 29

 

[sweep_shot]

I rate him. He's a terrific bowler. But I go back to the same question I have asked Indians for a while.

Is Jasprit Bumrah was to retire tomorrow would he an all time great of the game?

For me. The answer is no.

He probably well up as one at the end of his career. But at this moment in time, it's too early to declare it definitively.

Indian fans were screaming ATG, ATG when Bumrah had 150 wickets. ROFL.

Someone with less than 250 Test wickets cannot be an ATG. That too with a suspicious bowling action.

 

[Ab Fan]

Haha, as soon as Bumrah went past 200 test wickets, now Pakistani and BD fans have started crying about his action on a regular basis. This was bound to happen because they have failed to produce a single fast bowler picking 200 test wickets in this millennium.

 

[mominsaigol]

Haha, as soon as Bumrah went past 200 test wickets, now Pakistani and BD fans have started crying about his action on a regular basis. This was bound to happen because they have failed to produce a single fast bowler picking 200 test wickets in this millennium.

India plays a minimum of 20 tests in 2 years(i repeat a minimum) while Pakistan hovers at 12 to 14 in 2 years?

Test wickets are a stupid metric as their no of matches dependant.

The only way to determine how good a player is, is by asking me personally as I am the best judge.

 

[sindhiboy]

Bumrah did better vs South Africa, England and Australia. Its only NZ he has struggled against quite a lot.
Oddly enough, Wasim absolutely battered NZ but wasn't as good vs SA,Aus,Eng.

50 wickets in 7 tests in NZ is quite insane

Wasim's overall record vs SA,Aus,Eng: 120 wickets in 35 tests with a bowling avg of 28.52

Record vs those 3 teams at home is: 24 wickets in 10 tests with a bowling avg of 31.7

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Tanveer Ahmed on Wasim vs Bumrah debate

https://twitter.com/x/status/1938849398869623003

 

[riddu]

bumrah is the best chu'ker in world

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Bumrah has proven himself across all three formats, with top-tier performances in Tests, ODIs, and T20Is. He’s known for maintaining fitness, economy, and effectiveness in all conditions.

Wasim and Waqar were more dominant in Tests and ODIs, with less emphasis on T20s (which came after their era). Wasim in particular was incredibly consistent over a long career.

Bumrah stilll in his prime, already India’s pace spearhead and has revolutionized fast bowling in India. His numbers are elite, and he's seen as one of the best modern-day pacers.

Wasim and Waqar set the gold standard for fast bowling from the subcontinent and transformed the art of reverse swing.

Bumrah has carried forward that legacy, adapting it to the modern game with greater emphasis on fitness, workload management, and multi-format excellence.

While Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis are all-time greats with legendary legacies, Jasprit Bumrah is arguably their modern-day counterpart — perhaps not yet at their historical stature, but he's among the best of this generation and continues to build a legacy that could one day match or even surpass theirs in terms of overall influence and numbers.

 

[Ab Fan]

India plays a minimum of 20 tests in 2 years(i repeat a minimum) while Pakistan hovers at 12 to 14 in 2 years?

Test wickets are a stupid metric as their no of matches dependant.

And not to forget that current India plays more games vs top teams while Pakistan during Wasim/Waqar era played more vs weaker opponents like NZ or SL. Hence, it doesn’t take much to surpass them in Tests.

If Test wickets are stupid metrics then what are we arguing against Bumrah? You seem to be confused guy lol

 

[Ab Fan]

Against top 4 opponents(SENA),

Bumrah - 176 Wkts, Avg 21

Against top 4 opponents ( Aus, SA, WI, Ind),

Wasim - 187 Wkts, Avg 24
Waqar - 117 Wkts, Avg 28

 

[moghul]

Bumbrah has good stats but Waqar and Wasim used to win matches , not Bumbrah.

 

[mominsaigol]

And not to forget that current India plays more games vs top teams while Pakistan during Wasim/Waqar era played more vs weaker opponents like NZ or SL. Hence, it doesn’t take much to surpass them in Tests.

If Test wickets are stupid metrics then what are we arguing against Bumrah? You seem to be confused guy lol

Bumrah is the ultimate bowling stat padder. It's not my fault guys live on cricinfo.

The sidu vs Head nonsense was so silly, even rana had to step in

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Some people tend to forget that both Wasim and Waqar played together, along with other wicket-taking bowlers, so their wickets were naturally shared. In contrast, Bumrah has been the only consistent wicket-taker in a lineup where the bowling partners keep changing every couple of series.

 

[mominsaigol]

Some people tend to forget that both Wasim and Waqar played together, along with other wicket-taking bowlers, so their wickets were naturally shared. In contrast, Bumrah has been the only consistent wicket-taker in a lineup where the bowling partners keep changing every couple of series.

He's also been a part of the bowling partners that changes every season.

Where is his name listed in the 2nd test

 

[TheSultan]

The level of cope from Indian fans in every comparison

Such nerds honestly. Vell look at this stat, look against this opposition etc etc.

Sorry Bumrah is not the GOAT, nor the G from Asia, nor the current players….

Stop being nerds for once

 

[mominsaigol]

The level of cope from Indian fans in every comparison

Such nerds honestly. Vell look at this stat, look against this opposition etc etc.

Sorry Bumrah is not the GOAT, nor the G from Asia, nor the current players….

Stop being nerds for once

I'm not surprised. They have lived their entire lives dealing with bowlers who are so awful, that they wouldnt even qualify for under 19 school boy teams.

Bumrah and Shami must he god sends to them.

For a top 3 nation in cricket, they have historically produced the worst fast bowlers and worst tail enders.

Tbf theyve produced the 2nd best batting after Aus.

 

[Devadwal]

Bottle caps bowlers Were nowhere near to The Bumrah. Bumrah is better than any Pakistani bowler in The history of cricket.

 

[BouncerGuy]

lol... bumrah needs to work on playing a full series first before we start comparing him anyone...

 

[Devadwal]

lol... bumrah needs to work on playing a full series first before we start comparing him anyone...

He is taking the rest because of workload unlike Wasim and Waqar who used bottel caps to takes the wickets still haven't won a single series in australia. Oh wait forget about series win they didn't even win a test for longer periods.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Yeah

He is taking the rest because of workload unlike Wasim and Waqar who used bottel caps to takes the wickets still haven't won a single series in australia. Oh wait forget about series win they didn't even win a test for longer periods.

Yeah... keep living in delusion.. workload?? after 1 test???

Wasim will always be few steps ahead of bumrah because he was a work horse and was equally lethal.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah

Yeah... keep living in delusion.. workload?? after 1 test???

Wasim will always be few steps ahead of bumrah because he was a work horse and was equally lethal.

I was always curious how Bumrah could have played so few tests despite being 31 and a star ace.

Now ik why

 

[Rajdeep]

Waqar's name should not be taken in the same sentence. He was massively overhyped and biggest beneficiary of ball tampering. In modern day cricket, he will be Haris Rauf level bowler. Akhtar was much better and feared than him.

So Bumrah has left him in the dust long back but not yet surpassed Wasim. Even though he has better strike rate than Wasim but later has played for longer and we need to wait until Bumrah retires to see where this comparison stands

 

[BouncerGuy]

I was always curious how Bumrah could have played so few tests despite being 31 and a star ace.

Now ik why

Everyones knows apart from some guys here.

 

[Devadwal]

Yeah

Yeah... keep living in delusion.. workload?? after 1 test???

Wasim will always be few steps ahead of bumrah because he was a work horse and was equally lethal.

This is 5 match test series now 2-3 test which Pakistan is likely to Play.

 

[BouncerGuy]

This is 5 match test series now 2-3 test which Pakistan is likely to Play.

So Bumrah's bones and brain are so weak that he needs rest after only 1 game???

so timid?

 

[Devadwal]

So Bumrah's bones and brain are so weak that he needs rest after only 1 game???

so timid?

Maybe checked the overs he has bowled in last 7-8 years ( Test cricket) without any Help of Bottle caps and home umpire yet he is AVG below 20 .

 

[BouncerGuy]

Maybe checked the overs he has bowled in last 7-8 years ( Test cricket) without any Help of Bottle caps and home umpire yet he is AVG below 20 .

BROOO..

what do I have to do with 7 8 years back ???

Talk to me about today... Bumrah wanted sleep after playing just 1 game??? He is so weak??

 

[Devadwal]

BROOO..

what do I have to do with 7 8 years back ???

Talk to me about today... Bumrah wanted sleep after playing just 1 game??? He is so weak??

I said from last 7-8 years checked the Bumrah overs in test cricket.

 

[Devadwal]

He is not like some Pakistanis Pacers who said during the match after getting smashed by SRT ( Just after 1 over) " Mujse bowling nahi ho Rahi hai.

 

[Katwalindian]

Waqar's name should not be taken in the same sentence. He was massively overhyped and biggest beneficiary of ball tampering. In modern day cricket, he will be Haris Rauf level bowler. Akhtar was much better and feared than him.

So Bumrah has left him in the dust long back but not yet surpassed Wasim. Even though he has better strike rate than Wasim but later has played for longer and we need to wait until Bumrah retires to see where this comparison stands

Waqar would have absolutely destroyed current level batsmen like Tristan stubbs, long hair opener, rickelton etc if he played in this era and those SA wickets in which match ending in couple of days and siraj is bowling like glenn mcgrath...bumrah is massively overhyped....

 

[Rajdeep]

Waqar would have absolutely destroyed current level batsmen like Tristan stubbs, long hair opener, rickelton etc if he played in this era and those SA wickets in which match ending in couple of days and siraj is bowling like glenn mcgrath...bumrah is massively overhyped....

1. Bumrah is definitely not overhyped as his stats suggests that he is the greatest seamer of all time from Asia. If he was overhyped, jealous Pak fans will not be hell bend of calling him a chucker. They did the same drama with Ashwin for limited period when he was on top

2. We Indians dont take Waqar seriously after what Ajay Jadeja did to him on that day.

3. What does Katwa Indian even mean?

 

[Ab Fan]

Against top 4 opponents(SENA),

Bumrah - 176 Wkts, Avg 21

Against top 4 opponents ( Aus, SA, WI, Ind),

Wasim - 187 Wkts, Avg 24
Waqar - 117 Wkts, Avg 28

Bumrah is better guys.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Shoaib akhtar was banned a few times for his action he was properly tested and his arm was genuinely found to have hyperextension

No such test was done on bhaji , ashwin or bumrah

Have an independent body test his biomechanics and match action then we'll find out if he has genuine physical hyperextension and is it within the 15 degrees .

Ajmal was tested and he had no hyperextension he was just a plain chucker

Bhajji was tested in 2000s

Hyper extension isn’t limited to by the 15 degree law

No on said ajmal had hyper extension

 

[TheSultan]

Bumrah is better guys.

On which planet was India one of the top 4 teams in the 1990s

 

[TheSultan]

Waqar's name should not be taken in the same sentence. He was massively overhyped and biggest beneficiary of ball tampering. In modern day cricket, he will be Haris Rauf level bowler. Akhtar was much better and feared than him.

So Bumrah has left him in the dust long back but not yet surpassed Wasim. Even though he has better strike rate than Wasim but later has played for longer and we need to wait until Bumrah retires to see where this comparison stands

Let’s see Bumrah take 10 wickets in a match and then talk.

Left him in the dust lol

 

[Ab Fan]

On which planet was India one of the top 4 teams in the 1990s

Planet Earth.

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[BouncerGuy]

Bumrah needs to work on his longevity first.... Cannot be playing 2-3 games a year and get benched due to workload excuse...

 

[TheSultan]

You can use any stats you want to try and “prove” an argument. All of a sudden performing in SENA is important - historically more helpful to fast bowlers than the ones in this Pakistan / India etc.

I’d argue it’s a bigger achievement to take wickets on a dead track, that’s where your skills take the pitch out of the equation.

People look down on cleaning up tailenders. Why? It’s still a skill. If India knew how to clean up the lower middle order and tail they would have won the last game.

What I liked about the 80s and 90s bowlers. They played as many matches as they could and they bowled without thinking about self preservation. They didn’t go hiding, they took their licks, came back. That’s the drama that captured the imagination.


Too much horses for courses now. India for years just bowled spin at home. Fast bowlers came in on games abroad. Too much “let’s prolong careers now”. That’s not just for Bumrah - current Pak bowlers are the same too.

 

[mominsaigol]

You can use any stats you want to try and “prove” an argument. All of a sudden performing in SENA is important - historically more helpful to fast bowlers than the ones in this Pakistan / India etc.

I’d argue it’s a bigger achievement to take wickets on a dead track, that’s where your skills take the pitch out of the equation.

People look down on cleaning up tailenders. Why? It’s still a skill. If India knew how to clean up the lower middle order and tail they would have won the last game.

What I liked about the 80s and 90s bowlers. They played as many matches as they could and they bowled without thinking about self preservation. They didn’t go hiding, they took their licks, came back. That’s the drama that captured the imagination.


Too much horses for courses now. India for years just bowled spin at home. Fast bowlers came in on games abroad. Too much “let’s prolong careers now”. That’s not just for Bumrah - current Pak bowlers are the same too.

90s > Current gen 100%. Cricket was nect level back then

 

[shaz619]

Bumrah?

You mean how does this guy compare:

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah?

You mean how does this guy compare:

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Most overrated bowler of all time.

 

[Shafikapeo]

Indians providing new metrics for Bumrah

1) No need to take wickets
2) No need to bowl consistently, only bowl when you want per session.
3) No need to play test games
4) No need to bowl with a legal action
5) No need to take 10 fers
6) No need to improve avg vs NZ
7) No need to help india win test games
8) No need to be embrassed by letting a 19 year old rookie humiliate it. Media will cover that up.
9) No need to win wtc, just fake injuries and everyone will forgive the 2021 atrocities of Bumrah.

Bonafide ATG bro

I don't know what personal issue you have with Bumrah. Because most of your points are selective, and their sole purpose seems to be ignoring Bumrah's abilities. Your first and second points have no basis—Bumrah bowled the most overs and took the most wickets in the last Border-Gavaskar trophy, and this cannot be possible by choosing sessions at his convenience. Also, reaching
300 wickets is just a milestone dependent
upon longevity.

Coming to your third point—No need to play Test games? Bruh whenever Bumrah has been physically fit, he has always represented India in Tests.

Fourth point: Prove that Bumrah's action is illegal, or otherwise question your own cricket board why they haven't reported it. If you can't prove it, then keep this claim to yourself. Taking 10-wicket hauls, like your allegations, is just one metric, and achieving it alone doesn't automatically make someone a great bowler.

Sixth point: How can you say he's not trying to improve? Bowling averages of bowlers vary against different teams worldwide.

Seventh point: A Test match can't be won by Bumrah alone, but his performance clearly shows how much he contributes to the team.

Eighth point: Brother, it's part of the game—what's there to be embarrassed about? Didn't Bumrah also dismiss that 19-year-old rookie?

Ninth point: He has already helped win one World Cup final, and he's still playing, so let's see.

The real issue is that you only know how to criticize Bumrah, while Indian fans want to declare him an ATG (All-Time Great) bowler. Ultimately, what matters is a player's performance and stats, and Bumrah has these—that's why all of you are debating here.

Lastly, whether Bumrah is an ATG bowler or not depends on individual perspectives, but I can assure you that most number of cricket pundits around the world already consider Bumrah a great bowler.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Jasprit Bumrah equals Wasim Akram’s record for the most five-wicket hauls by an Asian bowler in SENA countries in Test cricket.

 

[saimayubera]

Bumrah will end up as the greatest Asian fast bowler.

Pakistan had a decent run in the 80s-mid 00s but the BEST will be an Indian.

 

[uppercut]

Jasprit Bumrah equals Wasim Akram’s record for the most five-wicket hauls by an Asian bowler in SENA countries in Test cricket.

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@Buffet

Very interesting. Also I looked at overall stats and Bumrah has 31 more wkts than Waz had after 47 Tests ( despite having bowled 223 less overs at this stage in his career which is quite staggering!! )


Bumrah:

Waz:

 

[Buffet]

@Buffet

Very interesting. Also I looked at overall stats and Bumrah has 31 more wkts than Waz had after 47 Tests ( despite having bowled 223 less overs at this stage in his career which is quite staggering!! )

Huge difference in SR so not surprising.

 

[Mamoon]

Bumrah has 0 ODI trophies and only 200 odd Test wickets. Until he wins an ODI WC and gets close to Wasim’s tally in Tests, he cannot be considered better than him. End of story.

 

[Buffet]

Bumrah vs Pakistani greats in Eng/Aus:

Longevity - Higher with 111 wickets and counting
SR - mid 40s and probably among the best in history.
Avg - Sub 20

 

[RidiculousMan]

@Buffet

Very interesting. Also I looked at overall stats and Bumrah has 31 more wkts than Waz had after 47 Tests ( despite having bowled 223 less overs at this stage in his career which is quite staggering!! )


Bumrah:
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Waz:
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There's are a few flaws in this kind of comparison.

1) Wickets Sharing

Wasim had Waqar as his partner. Waqar took wickets that Wasim could've taken.

Bumrah has no partner like Waqar. The wickets are not as shared much.

2)

Test Cricket has gotten fast paced. Batters take more risk. Same amount of runs is scored for less balls. Hence the difference in Strike Rate.

If Wasim had BazBall batters in front of him. He would've taken wickets in less balls like Bumrah.

 

[uppercut]

There's are a few flaws in this kind of comparison.

1) Wickets Sharing

Wasim had Waqar as his partner. Waqar took wickets that Wasim could've taken.

Bumrah has no partner like Waqar. The wickets are not as shared much.

2)

Test Cricket has gotten fast paced. Batters take more risk. Same amount of runs is scored for less balls. Hence the difference in Strike Rate.

If Wasim had BazBall batters in front of him. He would've taken wickets in less balls like Bumrah.

About Point 1 -- the number of overs bowled by Waz is far more at the same point in the career. So essentially he had more opportunities to take wkt regardless of who else was bowling at the other end during those 1733 overs across 47 tests

About Point 2 -- But his economy rate is not waay too higher than Waz ( 2.77 vs 2.55 ) and its still well under 3.0 which is very good. This is why both his avg and s/r are superior to Waz.

 

[Buffet]

There's are a few flaws in this kind of comparison.

1) Wickets Sharing

Wasim had Waqar as his partner. Waqar took wickets that Wasim could've taken.

Bumrah has no partner like Waqar. The wickets are not as shared much.

2)

Test Cricket has gotten fast paced. Batters take more risk. Same amount of runs is scored for less balls. Hence the difference in Strike Rate.

If Wasim had BazBall batters in front of him. He would've taken wickets in less balls like Bumrah.

SR should be lower and not higher if you have great bowler side by side.

If you are striking at lower 40s when playing away then it has very little to do with wicket sharing. It's simply means you are the most deadly bowler in history while touring.



I agree that cricket has become fast paced, so we should always see all stats in context relative to peers.

Bumrah has two other ATG bowler bowling in his era. Cummins and Rabada.

Cummins/Rabada have 4 5-fers with SR of 49. Bumrah on other hands has 13 5-fers with SR of 42. Rabada has great SR at home and lots of 5-fers but Steyn was doing the same at home so it's more to do with pitches in SA. Some one may say why not have home for Bumrah, well he has SR of 35 at home.

I think we are simply watching some one very special and explanation is not wicket sharing, era etc. At best, those factors will be minor.

 

[saimayubera]

Another important thing to keep in mind regarding Bumrah vs Wasim.

Bumrah's stats are actually even more impressive if you consider this.

Top 5 teams during Bumrah's career in tests:

Australia, NZ, India, SA, Eng

Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

His stats -

vs the rest of the top 5 (minus India) - 181 wickets in 41 matches @ 21.22 with 12 5fers
vs the rest - 34 wickets in 6 matches @ 10.32 (lol) with 3 5fers

Bumrah has played 87% of his matches against top teams

Top 5 teams during Wasim's career in tests:

SA, Aus, Pak, WI, Ind

Team records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

vs the rest of the top 5 (minus Pak) - 187 wickets in 46 matches @ 24.70 with 10 5fers
vs the rest - 227 wickets in 58 matches @ 22.73 with 15 5fers

Wasim has only played 44% of matches against top teams in his career (and Bumrah already has more 5fers and only 6 wickets less in 5 less matches + an innings vs top 5 teams).

Not like Bumrah has not minnow bashed - that average of 10 attests to that. It's just now with the big teams playing more with each other Bumrah hardly gets the chance to minnow bash as much.

If his share of matches against weak teams were the same he would be averaging something like 13 or 14 lol.

 

[saimayubera]

Bumrah has 0 ODI trophies and only 200 odd Test wickets. Until he wins an ODI WC and gets close to Wasim’s tally in Tests, he cannot be considered better than him. End of story.

Wasim has 0 T20 trophies and Bumrah only has 6 test wickets less than Wasim (147) against top 5 teams in 5 less matches (+ an innings).

The vast majority of Wasim's test wickets came against weaker teams outside the top 5 (227).