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How does the present-day Jasprit Bumrah compare with the likes of Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis?

kron said:
Wrong. Wasim akram is GREATER than bumrah only due to longevity

Bumrah is BETTER than wasim. Better bowler.

Wasim legacy is greater.

You can be a greater bowler and still be an inferior player compared to the better individual.

It's like Shane bond. Shane bond is better than waqar and akthar and kapil dev.

But he doesn't have a great legacy cause his career was cut short.
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That’s true. Quality wise, Bumrah is right up there with Marshall and McGrath and I am not hyping but stating facts.

What he lacks is durability. Depending on how much he lacks that till the end of his career will decide his standing in Tests.
 
For anyone doubting his quality, here are away stats vs SENAIPS. I have included Pakistan and Sri Lanka also so no stats manipulating now. Bumrah averages 9 in Windies so that is ignored. Of course everyone cashed in WI.


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Away averages:-

Bumrah 21
Cummins 26
Rabada 29
Anderson 30
Broad 30
Steyn 28
Johnson 32
Starc 31
Shami 31
Boult 30
Amir 32
Hazelwood 29
Philander 27( with worst SR of all)

The gulf between Bumrah and rest is simply massive. On quality, he is miles ahead.
 
Also, let’s not overrate Cummins with his away average of 26 just because it is better than rest because he himself is skipping games in India and Sri Lanka as part of his workload management. A 35 year old Starc playing all games but Cummins is happy to rest at home and skip SL tour.
 
Ab Fan said:
That’s true. Quality wise, Bumrah is right up there with Marshall and McGrath and I am not hyping but stating facts.

What he lacks is durability. Depending on how much he lacks that till the end of his career will decide his standing in Tests.
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A better statement will be Bumrah lacks durability against bottom/minnow teams of his era.

If you take W/L during players career and see top 4 opposition during entire career.

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Bumrah has played 39 tests against top 4 oppositions : 171 wickets - avg of 21.2 and SR 45

Bumrah has played 6 tests against bottom/minnow teams: 34 wickets - Avg 10 & SR 23

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Wasim has 46 tests against top 4 oppositions : 187 wickets - avg of 24.7 and SR 55


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Bumrah is never going to play 50-60 tests against minnows/bottom teams. Yah, he is averaging 10 for that bucket so more tests there means his career average can go down, but I doubt he will play many games against SL/BD/Zim/WI and he is not going to get games against Pakistan.

A high chance that Bumrah will play 50-60 tests against top 4 oppositions with 230-240 test wickets.
 
Buffet said:
A better statement will be Bumrah lacks durability against bottom/minnow teams of his era.

If you take W/L during players career and see top 4 opposition during entire career.

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Bumrah has played 39 tests against top 4 oppositions : 171 wickets - avg of 21.2 and SR 45

Bumrah has played 6 tests against bottom/minnow teams: 34 wickets - Avg 10 & SR 23

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Wasim has 46 tests against top 4 oppositions : 187 wickets - avg of 24.7 and SR 55


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Bumrah is never going to play 50-60 tests against minnows/bottom teams. Yah, he is averaging 10 for that bucket so more tests there means his career average can go down, but I doubt he will play many games against SL/BD/Zim/WI and he is not going to get games against Pakistan.

A high chance that Bumrah will play 50-60 tests against top 4 oppositions with 230-240 test wickets.
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it means Bhumrah cannot be rated highly as he needs to prove himself also against SL/BD/Zim/WI and not just HTB hacks like Travis Head.
 
Buffet said:
A better statement will be Bumrah lacks durability against bottom/minnow teams of his era.

If you take W/L during players career and see top 4 opposition during entire career.

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Bumrah has played 39 tests against top 4 oppositions : 171 wickets - avg of 21.2 and SR 45

Bumrah has played 6 tests against bottom/minnow teams: 34 wickets - Avg 10 & SR 23

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Wasim has 46 tests against top 4 oppositions : 187 wickets - avg of 24.7 and SR 55


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Bumrah is never going to play 50-60 tests against minnows/bottom teams. Yah, he is averaging 10 for that bucket so more tests there means his career average can go down, but I doubt he will play many games against SL/BD/Zim/WI and he is not going to get games against Pakistan.

A high chance that Bumrah will play 50-60 tests against top 4 oppositions with 230-240 test wickets.
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Durability is about being fit and ready to bowl long spells or be available for a full fledged test series.

The difference in Bumrah not being available for Sydney Test or in a parallel world him being extremely durable and available for that test would be a sample of just 1 game but this could have well turned out to be a series decider.

Imagine if instead of Bumrah, you had Marshall, Hadlee or Ambrose or Wasim at their prime. Not just Australia let’s say any nation. These bowlers would have been fully available for all 5 tests and at their prime would have made massive influence especially in these test matches which are fast bowling shootouts like the one we had in Sydney.

During 2020 Australia tour also, Bumrah got a niggle by final test. India were lucky that they produced one of the greatest performance in that test but otherwise a less motivated team would have probably lost that game and series too by 2-1.
 
Bumrah played a big chunk of his matches in Aus and SA,which has became more bowling friendly than ever.Like after 2018 in Aus batting average from 1-8 position was 32.2 but in 90s it was 34.2.Also in SA during 90s it was 30 but it became 27.8 after 2018
 
Fanboy375 said:
Bumrah played a big chunk of his matches in Aus and SA,which has became more bowling friendly than ever.Like after 2018 in Aus batting average from 1-8 position was 32.2 but in 90s it was 34.2.Also in SA during 90s it was 30 but it became 27.8 after 2018
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All visiting bowlers are going to bowl to Aus and SA batting line up in their home conditions. There is very little evidence to suggest that visiting bowlers found it easier to pick wickets in Aus and SA in the last 10 years vs 10 years in 90s.

Aus batting at home in 10 years in 90s: 37.27
Aus batting at home in the last 10 years: 41 [ Bumrah avg 17 runs per wickets ]

SA batting in Aus in 10 years in 90s: 33.26
SA batting in SA in the last 10 years: 32.24 [ Bumrah avg in SA 20 runs per wickets ]


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I took 10 year to keep periods apple to apple. Since Bumrah debuted in 2018, it goes down to avg of 37 for Aus batting in Aus but even that is not lower than avg in 90s. For SA , it goes down to 29 since 2018. That's surely lower than avg in 90s.

I think when all said and done, Bumrah picking 100 plus wickets in Aus/SA at 18 per piece is pretty much due to him being in Marshall's class. With lots of ifs and buts, we can make a case of his avg being around 20-21 for those 100 wickets in some other era, but it does not change the big picture. His output in Aus/SA is in different class than most visiting bowlers in history bar top 2-3 pacers in history. Bumrah is in Marshall's class without having Mashall like career so far. Can't be said the same for too many bowlers.
 
Fanboy375 said:
Bumrah played a big chunk of his matches in Aus and SA,which has became more bowling friendly than ever.Like after 2018 in Aus batting average from 1-8 position was 32.2 but in 90s it was 34.2.Also in SA during 90s it was 30 but it became 27.8 after 2018
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Tails were walkign wickets in 90s. It's always better to take entire batting line up avg and not just 1-8. After all, bowler's avg is comes from wickets against top order and tail both. And against top order, Bumrah blows most bowlers, including Wasim, out of water. Some one did calculations for all top order wickets for various bowlers. Wasim's avg against top order is near 30 and Bumrah was near 20. Wasim's against tail was near 10 and Bumrah was near 12. Difference was - Wasim having more tail wickets and that helped him to keep his avg low.

Anyway, another way to look at,

All bowlers in history playing away outside Asia

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Only two Asians appear here. Not unexpected because it's not familair conditions for Asian bowlers. But you wouldn't expect an Asian bowler to appear near top in this list and that too with 158 wickets. That's 4th highest wickwt's tally in this list. Another 40 odd wickets and we are talkign 200 plus away wickets outside Asia and that's more than any other pacer has taken.

Bumrah could have averaged 1-2 runs higher in different era but he will be still near the top here. Bumrah does not need to do anything as far as outside Asia record goes. He is just too far ahead. In Asia, touring Pakistan is out of picture for him. So it leaves touring SL. Not sure how many tests India will play in SL and if Bumrah will feature in those tests. So that leaves playing more series at home. Already 40-50 wickts at avg of 17 at home. He should try to get to 100 wickets at home. That's the one place he should increase his number of tests. Everything else is just noise.

I don't think it's easy to do it, but if he does then good for him and good for cricket. We were blessed to see greats like Marshall, Hadlee and McGrath. We are watching another great here in the same class. Unless he gets to 300 plus wickets, it's hard to make a case for top 5, but he will be in my top 10 pacers for sure. He has the same quality as top 5 wihout having longevity of pacers in the top 5 right now. It will be a great outcome for test cricket if we can have 5 new pacers in top 5 in the next 50 years.
 
Jasprit Bumrah Undergoes Scans At NCA In Bengaluru, Update On Fitness By Saturday: Report

For the next 24 hours, India captain Rohit Sharma and head coach Gautam Gambhir will be anxiously awaiting the results of scans star pacer Jasprit Bumrah underwent at the National Cricket Academy in Bengaluru. Bumrah suffered back spasms during the final Test of India’s Australia tour last month following which he’s been out of action.

According to The Times of India, an update on Bumrah’s fitness will be out in the next 24 hours following which a discussion regarding the future course of action will be held with the BCCI. The scans will also reportedly be shared with Dr Rowan Schouten, an orthopedic surgeon hailing from New Zealand who operated on the Indian pace spearhead in 2023 after he suffered a back injury.


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Jasprit Bumrah Undergoes Scans At NCA In Bengaluru, Update On Fitness By Saturday: Report - News18

Jasprit Bumrah suffered from back spasms at the beginning of the year raising doubts over his availability for the Champions Trophy.
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Buffet said:
All visiting bowlers are going to bowl to Aus and SA batting line up in their home conditions. There is very little evidence to suggest that visiting bowlers found it easier to pick wickets in Aus and SA in the last 10 years vs 10 years in 90s.

Aus batting at home in 10 years in 90s: 37.27
Aus batting at home in the last 10 years: 41 [ Bumrah avg 17 runs per wickets ]

SA batting in Aus in 10 years in 90s: 33.26
SA batting in SA in the last 10 years: 32.24 [ Bumrah avg in SA 20 runs per wickets ]


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I took 10 year to keep periods apple to apple. Since Bumrah debuted in 2018, it goes down to avg of 37 for Aus batting in Aus but even that is not lower than avg in 90s. For SA , it goes down to 29 since 2018. That's surely lower than avg in 90s.

I think when all said and done, Bumrah picking 100 plus wickets in Aus/SA at 18 per piece is pretty much due to him being in Marshall's class. With lots of ifs and buts, we can make a case of his avg being around 20-21 for those 100 wickets in some other era, but it does not change the big picture. His output in Aus/SA is in different class than most visiting bowlers in history bar top 2-3 pacers in history. Bumrah is in Marshall's class without having Mashall like career so far. Can't be said the same for too many bowlers.
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What are statistics if you remove bumrah the bowler in that time period ?
 
Bumrah is the key to India's success in the upcoming champions trophy. If he is out due to injury, India's chances also drop significantly.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Bumrah is the key to India's success in the upcoming champions trophy. If he is out due to injury, India's chances also drop significantly.
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He is absolutely not needed for this pajama champions trophy, rest him for another 2 months and get him ready for the test series coming up.

Who cares if India loses this tournament, it holds very little value...
 
Bumrah needs at least 300 wickets at under 20 to 20 avg before he retires to be in the category of an atg test bowler. If he cant get to the above by the time he retires he should only be considered a very good bowler and misses out on atg status...
 
Romali_rotti said:
He is absolutely not needed for this pajama champions trophy, rest him for another 2 months and get him ready for the test series coming up.

Who cares if India loses this tournament, it holds very little value...
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You mean to say grapes are sour???
 
Advaith said:
What are statistics if you remove bumrah the bowler in that time period ?
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Last 10 years removing India as opposition,

Aus batting at home: 47 runs per wickets
SA batting at home : 34 runs per wickets
 
Hitman said:
When has CT held great prestige and honor? So much that the ICC were seriously contemplating scrapping it multiple times in the past including after Pakistan won it in 2017.

CT is good entertainment, that's it.
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I don't really get the point of CT tbf.

We have a t20 world cup( Fair cause its t20)

Wtc (A flawed system but atleast it's something and gives test formats more credibility)

Odi world cup (The og)

Why do we need another mini odi world cup in CT? One which features a very flawed system of only 5 matches?

Atleast for WC, Every team faces each other once hence the system is reasonably fair. For t20 even though it isn't round Robin, t20 is a short format hence people don't mind it as entertainment.

What's the point of CT? Come to think of it, I've actually forgotten that India won in 2013, aus won in 2009 etc etc 🤣🤣.

Whereas I remember all WC and T20 wc winners by heart.
 
mominsaigol said:
I don't really get the point of CT tbf.

We have a t20 world cup( Fair cause its t20)

Wtc (A flawed system but atleast it's something and gives test formats more credibility)

Odi world cup (The og)

Why do we need another mini odi world cup in CT? One which features a very flawed system of only 5 matches?

Atleast for WC, Every team faces each other once hence the system is reasonably fair. For t20 even though it isn't round Robin, t20 is a short format hence people don't mind it as entertainment.

What's the point of CT? Come to think of it, I've actually forgotten that India won in 2013, aus won in 2009 etc etc 🤣🤣.

Whereas I remember all WC and T20 wc winners by heart.
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ODI WC and WTC - The 2 trophies worth their weight in absolute gold.

T20 WC is a joke! CT is an even bigger joke!

P.S. I didn't even feel a thing when my team won the last T20 WC.
 
Hitman said:
ODI WC and WTC - The 2 trophies worth their weight in absolute gold.

T20 WC is a joke! CT is an even bigger joke!

P.S. I didn't even feel a thing when my team won the last T20 WC.
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I think t20 wc can be improved if they fix the structure of the format. Otherwise I believe a t20 world cup should occur.

My issue with CT is that I don't get the point of 2 odi tournaments. Nor do I get the point of only 5 matches? 3 or 4 for the teams that'll get eliminated.
 
mominsaigol said:
I think t20 wc can be improved if they fix the structure of the format. Otherwise I believe a t20 world cup should occur.

My issue with CT is that I don't get the point of 2 odi tournaments. Nor do I get the point of only 5 matches? 3 or 4 for the teams that'll get eliminated.
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T20 WC should be held every 4 years, just like the ODI WC for it be taken more seriously than now.
 
Australia 🇦🇺 and England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Combined : 1) Jasprit Bumrah : 101 Wickets @20.49 2) Imran Khan : 92 Wickets @26.53 3) Wasim Akram : 89 Wickets @26.84 - Bumrah is a Legend
 
Romali_rotti said:
I don't care about no champions trophy. If anything I hope India gets slammed as chicken kohli and Rohit Korma will be playing.

My grapes will sour like crazy if India wins the champions trophy with Kohli & Korma

Save Bumrah for the test series...
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LOL... that is fine... Rohit and kohli are gonna play CT as we all know...

But the real question is Bumrah
 
Wasim Akram 🇵🇰- 50 Wickets @17.18 in New Zealand 🇳🇿 (Most Lethal Bowler in New Zealand) - New Zealand has lot of 💨 wind and Wasim was known for swinging ball in the air - so both these factors makes him too dangerous in New Zealand, Bumrah needs to improve his record in New Zealand.
 
Never taken the Champions Trophy seriously. Wont take it seriously this time too.
 
To be honest considering surface and two new balls used , batters with more attacking mindset etc , ignoring Bumrah is not fair. He is right up there with the very best.
 
Definitely better than waqar already, needs to play longer to match akram but his highest highs are already as great as akram's
 
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