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How far will Pakistan progress in the ICC World Cup 2023?

How far will Pakistan progress in the ICC World Cup 2023?

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ask_analyse_act said:
2011, the spin web was unbelievably good.. Hafeez, Saeed Ajmal, Afridi and Abdur Rehman was in the bench
Pace bowling wise Umar gul was in red hot form , Shoaib Akthar on his last legs with the hunger to win WC , young Wahab and Junaid , Razzaq (who failed to deliver in his last WC , for the promise and potential he had)

Even in the batting department they had a good bunch , except the fact Yousuf missed the boat but his replacement Asad Shafiq was showing enough promise that time..

It was a good team overall , fired on all cylinders especially the bowing department every team struggle to score past 220 against them, unless the bowlers do a bad day or fielders do their usual drop catches..
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We won't progress 🙂.

Don't have much hope now. Asia Cup debacle has badly damaged this team. Loss of Naseem is huge and Haris too won't be fully fit. As always, we'd rush him in anyway but then he won't be at his best. Shaheen's physical condition too seems iffy. God save us if Hasan Ali plays. The spinners are part timers. With the bat, Fakhar is in a rut, Imam's contributions are seldom matchwinning, and the middle order is unreliable as ever. Babar himself doesn't seem in form.

My excitement for this WC has tanked hugely.
 
Bilal7 said:
As long as we don't face England or India in the semis, we should get to the final, InshaAllah.

People are sleeping on this team because of three bad days in the Asia cup but this is the same team that was recently chasing 320+ targets for fun on one day and wrecking teams for less than 270 on another.

Babar is the best batsman in the world, Shaheen is the best pacer in the world and Shadab is, at the very least, one of the best all-rounders in world cricket. These three should win us games on their own but they also have quality players to back them up.

In 2011, we were the second best team in Indian conditions and this time should be no different. However, unlike 2011, I expect India to slip up at once the KOs arrive and for a day of great trolling to take place.
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Shadab isn't all that in odis. Gun t20 player but just average in odis.

It was a nice unit but injuries and the aftermath of Asia cup debacle has done a lot of damage.
 
Semi-finals would be the best bet. It's a good team, in conditions they may like against some opposition that may not like the conditions. However, multitude of factors could lead them to finishing 5th.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Well it all depends how they start their tournament if they lose early matches so i dont think they gonna make it to semis.
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Just like Pakistan’s middle order, their fixture schedule from 3rd match onwards is the one that will decide their fate
 
Ultimately 6 wins is probably what we / whoever else need to get to the semi finals. That means...

Must win: Netherlands, Bangladesh, Afghanistan
Then three wins out of Australia, England, India, Sri Lanka, New Zealand, South Africa
 
ask_analyse_act said:
2011, the spin web was unbelievably good.. Hafeez, Saeed Ajmal, Afridi and Abdur Rehman was in the bench
Pace bowling wise Umar gul was in red hot form , Shoaib Akthar on his last legs with the hunger to win WC , young Wahab and Junaid , Razzaq (who failed to deliver in his last WC , for the promise and potential he had)

Even in the batting department they had a good bunch , except the fact Yousuf missed the boat but his replacement Asad Shafiq was showing enough promise that time..

It was a good team overall , fired on all cylinders especially the bowing department no team can score past 220 against them, unless the bowlers do a bad day or fielders do their usual drop catches..
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Nostalgic delusions. A mediocrity galore LOI batting order of K.Akmal, Hafeez, A.Shafiq, Younus Khan, U.Akmal and Misbah. Pace attack consisting of Akhtar who was out of gas by over 6 and 125 kph pie Chucker version of Razzak
Afridi and Gul totally outperformed out of their skins to make it a memorable WC, helped by a fluke once in a lifetime performance by Wahab vs India, which he would never really repeat again. Ajmal was the only real deal that kept Pak in the hunt.
Please!! this side of 2023 is miles better on paper.
 
I actually don't even know anymore. Pre-super 4 game vs India I thought they'd have just enough to sneak in the semis. Post-super 4 game vs India it wouldn't be surprising if they didn't make the semis (potentially still low team morale, Naseem injury, Rauf fitness still suspect, spin-bowling very suspect). But despite all that, my mind goes to the fact that Pakistan is an unpredictable team that can randomly turn up (admittedly, what I'm hoping for :p).
 
TeamPak95 said:
I actually don't even know anymore. Pre-super 4 game vs India I thought they'd have just enough to sneak in the semis. Post-super 4 game vs India it wouldn't be surprising if they didn't make the semis (potentially still low team morale, Naseem injury, Rauf fitness still suspect, spin-bowling very suspect). But despite all that, my mind goes to the fact that Pakistan is an unpredictable team that can randomly turn up (admittedly, what I'm hoping for :p).
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Inconsistency is the word NOT Unpredictable. Pakistan have faltered on numerous occasions . Pakistan issue is they refuse to change the team or team combination or even the batting line up even against weakest oppositions. They simply do not want to change and do not feel bad about the consistent mediocrity they are showing. This will not end here , you will find same preparations , same selections and same results in next tour of Australia. They will again lose all tests there. This is the issue. When you do not want to change yourself and do not have any pride left then NO captain , coach or selector or mentor can change you.
 
Many had started doubting the capability of Pakistan team, especially their batting unit, after an under par performance in the Asia Cup. But they responded back in style. Babar, Rizwan, Saud and Agha Salman have played excellent knocks against a strong New Zealand bowling unit. This performance should boost their confidence going forward.
 
Way way too early for this brother! We will have to revisit probably 2 matches after India match. These next 3 games (2 warm ups and Netherlands) are all going to paper over the cracks and are essentially meaningless from mojo perspective.

This is the usual ICC tournament script for us. We will get the heartbreak in Ahmedabad, fans will be depressed, depths of despair......but then after that our usual ICC tournament underdog shenanigans will begin.. with us either scraping into semis/final or missing out by an inch while relying on other team's results in the process.

Either way I support my team till the end and hoping for a different script :)
 
Warm up games belong in the trashcan in their entirety. No conclusions should ever be drawn.
 
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Pakistan are always good against D sides and minnows real test is when they play india England aus etc...
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Many had started doubting the capability of Pakistan team, especially their batting unit, after an under par performance in the Asia Cup. But they responded back in style. Babar, Rizwan, Saud and Agha Salman have played excellent knocks against a strong New Zealand bowling unit. This performance should boost their confidence going forward.
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Yeah it's a warm up

But still a long way to go

Let's Hope for the best
 
gazza619 said:
Scoring 350 on a 400 pitch

Yeh we got the mojo back
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We celebrate too early. Our consistent opener got out with a SR of 10 even on this 400 pitch, in fact I would reckon that this may be even more than 400, NZ seems to be on par for chasing 450 or so.
 
Wouldnt be reaching semis with this bowling attack when Hasan Ali will be new ball bowling partner for Shaheen
 
We may not think much of the warm-up game results but there is a mental effect on the players if they don't win and will translate into how far we go in this tournament
 
Those making comparisons with 2011 squad, that squad was still a product of a fairly good Pakistan cricket system... Players like Afridi, Razzak, Gul, Ajmal, Misbah, Kamran Akmal were products of early 2000s when Pakistan were a very strong cricketing nation. Three of their best players Asif, Aamir and Salman Butt were banned, the heart of the team was ripped off, and yet they gave a brilliant performance.

The current crop is a product of a very mediocre set up.
 
Likely to finish 5th/6th and won't go far because Shaheen and/or Rauf are going to get injured after the first 2 games, most certainly after the India match. So it'll be Hassan, Wasim and Zaman Khan that will be bowling.

If Pakistan had groomed Usama Mir, we could have said we had a chance with a solid spinner but even that's a hit/miss now.

So once again, and yet again- the team is over reliant on individual glory performances rather than a systematic/methodical approach. If Shaheen, Haris, Babar, Rizwan, Usama are in form and last the full tournament then this team will make the semis at least.
 
Pakistan might miss Semi-Final by either 2 points or by NRR.
Only teams they can beat for sure are Afghanistan and Bangladesh. Others wins are doubtful.
So four wins (or even five wins) will not get us into semi-finals.

Unless...... our young guns (Shafiq and Saud) keep batting like they have so far.
Our weakest link seems to be our bowling. Naseem is being missed. Afridi's speed has gone way down.

In addition to AFG and BD, we have to beat a minimum of two out five teams - India, South Africa, NZ, Aus, Eng. Question is which two teams we can beat?
 
In my point of view. It was blessing for Pakistan to get trashed in Asia Cup. What happened if did not get trashed and our bowling over hype did not get exposed?

We would have not selected Abdulah or Saud in Playing X1 or even in Squad of World Cup. Hassan Ali would also not have get selected. Imam and Fakhar reality that they are a walking wicket and both are about to be dropped would not have happened and these 2 useless would have been give full opportunity in Would cup maybe played entire world cup win or lose.
 
Its a Pakistan vs Southern Afrikaan final

Southern Afrikaan winning whole thing

It’s a Kockworldcup
And we might be living in a Kockworld
 
It’s a Pakistan bs Southern Afrikaan final

Southern Afrikaan to win the whole thing

I am sticking to it
 
What will be the strategy of pak now. I think should focus on aus game only for now.
Pak will reach semis inshallah
 
Farabi said:
Nostalgic delusions. A mediocrity galore LOI batting order of K.Akmal, Hafeez, A.Shafiq, Younus Khan, U.Akmal and Misbah. Pace attack consisting of Akhtar who was out of gas by over 6 and 125 kph pie Chucker version of Razzak
Afridi and Gul totally outperformed out of their skins to make it a memorable WC, helped by a fluke once in a lifetime performance by Wahab vs India, which he would never really repeat again. Ajmal was the only real deal that kept Pak in the hunt.
Please!! this side of 2023 is miles better on paper.
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Not delusional, for the last 4 years the middle order was Asif, Khusdil, Danish Aziz , Ifthikhar Ahmed and even this year they had the chance to give Saud Shakeel the chance to get run under his belt before the CWC, but they didnt

Clueless captain goes on playing Shaheen and Naseem even against Afghanistan, Netherelands, Ireland, Nepal and keeping the middle with Agha Salman and Ifthikhar , suddenly in the CWC he realised cant go with them and changed to Saud and also dropped Fakhar for Shafique..

This team and the captain will get more phainties from the top 4 , just wait and watch...
 
In 2019 we had no chance but only lost out on the semi’s by net run rate, semi finals for me but then you never know after that!
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Not delusional, for the last 4 years the middle order was Asif, Khusdil, Danish Aziz , Ifthikhar Ahmed and even this year they had the chance to give Saud Shakeel the chance to get run under his belt before the CWC, but they didnt

Clueless captain goes on playing Shaheen and Naseem even against Afghanistan, Netherelands, Ireland, Nepal and keeping the middle with Agha Salman and Ifthikhar , suddenly in the CWC he realised cant go with them and changed to Saud and also dropped Fakhar for Shafique..

This team and the captain will get more phainties from the top 4 , just wait and watch...
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Further nostalgic delusions. Your criticism seems to be on the preparation and leadership, which is fair. But it’s not on the final 11.
Shahid Afridi was also a pathetic captain and made impulsive and nonsensical decisions.
Wahab Riaz and Asad Shafique were thrown in out of thin air. Akhtar and Razzak were finished but selected in the team on reputation.
Pakistan on paper is much stronger now. However, SENA are no longer duds in India due to IPL and play spinners much better now than in 2011. It’s for these reasons the matches will be more competitive.
 
With babar, rizwan & shaffique he looks good, with only 3 batsman how could you qualify for the semis, what is the role of other batsman in pakistan team, every team has one main spinner & spinning allrounders, where is pakistans main spinner or who is he, with weak links like these how could they qualify.
 
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Ganguly is only throwing facts. He is right this team has no ability to absorb pressure. This team is only playing game for fun and enjoyment. I see no dedication and fighting spirit in them. Pakistan cricket team need overhaul
 
If they win tomorrow against Australia then they will surely make it to the semifinals.
 
Pakistan is losing to Southern Afrikaan in the final. I’m sticking with my story.

They will beat NZ in semis like they always do.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Pakistan is losing to Southern Afrikaan in the final. I’m sticking with my story.

They will beat NZ in semis like they always do.
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I am sorry, i know some of my friends here want me to say Pakistan will win vs Southern Afrikaan. It WILL happen in round of robins but you WILL meet them again in the final when they will shed their chokers tag by hitting 42 runs in the last 3 overs.
 
Tomorrow is a crunch game.

Beat Australia and I fancy Pakistan to reach the semi-finals.

Lose tomorrow and this whole tournament could go horribly wrong for them.
 
We may have lost to Australia, but I think we will still make the Semi's
The match with Afghanistan will turn our WC fortunes around I feel
 
For Pakistan to qualify they need to win 5 on a trot and this team barring Zim or minnow haven't won 5 in a row since cricket was played on stoney grounds
 
Till karachi airport after the group stage ends
MenInG said:
Ok so the squad is done, and we know where we stand.

To some this Pakistan squad is a non-starter in many ways but some of us have high hopes of some dramatic performances taking us to the top (1992 anyone?)

So, time to put your faith in Pakistan and knowledge of the game to the test.

How far will Pakistan get in their quest to wi
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I always said India, NZ, SA, Eng and maybe max aus can somehow replace sa or eng in the sf spot.

But I said Pakistan is far far away from this nonsense
 
hassan918 said:
With such bowling performances, it would be almost impossible to make the semi-finals.
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our batting collapses are worrying, but the bowling is shocking, looks toothless most of the time. To add dropped catches to that scenario, all 3 parts of the game bowling, batting, fielding - all are poor.
 
Pakistan needs to look at the results of its matches objectively without any confirmation biases. This is something that I’ve seen Pakistan not do at all and react absurdly to results even when there is no need to. Here are a few things that Pakistan did wrong and will probably do wrong post this match when they sit and do the analysis:

  • Take into consideration the venue when analyzing: Bengaluru is a high-scoring venue. Average scores are above 300. Everyone who’s seen the IPL for the past decade knows this venue is freakish for its boundary count. You should be expecting a score of 320 at a minimum to chase on this ground. Yes, Pakistan conceded probably 30 more runs than what they would have liked to chase but, in the end, Pakistan should have been happy to only chase 368 considering 420 was on. However, in the field, we saw heads dropping and shoulders drooping as soon as the first dropped catch.

  • Scapegoating Usama Mir: Leaving aside Usama Mir’s drop catch which cost Pakistan a lot, it’s highly probable that Usama Mir will be scapegoated because of his bowling returns and that this could potentially be his last ever game. The team think-tank needs to contextualize the situation first. You have played Usama on the flattest ground in India where 400 is easily scorable against a rampaging Warner and Marsh. You need to cut him some slack. He’s your best spinning bowler in this squad and must be backed for future games. Doesn’t take away the fact that he bowled very poorly in this game. But it would be an utter shame if Usama isn’t played against teams like Afghanistan and Bangladesh who are genuinely weak against leg-spin.

  • Lack of batting game awareness: Abdullah Shafique and Imam gave a terrific start to this chase. But to give your wickets away with those terrible shots is inexcusable. This is where game awareness is severely lacking with Pakistani players. First, Abdullah dances down the track to the very first ball of Stoinis without even having a look first at Stoinis as to how he is bowling. Also, I was most disappointed with Imam. Imam has been at the end of chasing big scores and knows that if you have scored 70, you must keep yourself there and score a 100. On this ground, 160 off 20 overs at the death is a piece of cake if you have 7-8 wickets in hand. But nobody decided to put a price on their wicket.

  • Deciding what to do after winning the toss based on previous match’s result:Pakistan has a match against NZ on this very ground. You must again objectively see why you lost this match against Australia. Did you lose because you were chasing? No. You lost by 62 runs with 5 overs still left and that’s only after the match was effectively over in the 40th over. So the chase was easily manageable and should have been achieved given the situation after 30 overs. Also, you need to keep your bowling attack in mind when deciding what to do after winning the toss. Pakistan’s bowling attack would not have been able to defend 368 against Australia on this ground. It was clear how easy it was to bat in the 2nd innings. However, I fear that if Pakistan wins the toss against NZ, they will bat first given that they lost while chasing which would be the wrong decision.


Skill-wise, Pakistan is not the most talented team in the world as has been parroted over the years by everyone. There really is very limited talent in the country. However, with every passing year, the lack of game awareness is gradually laying bare the foundations of Pakistan cricket players. There are no more Imran’s, Miandad’s, Salim Malik’s, Wasim’s, who could read the match situation in-game and adjust themselves to it. Pakistan needs to come out of this ratta system of captaincy and playing style that they have developed over the past decade.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
It all depends on upsets by smaller teams, all big teams are in the contest at this moment.
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Pakistan at the start of the tournament had to win these games:

Netherlands
SL
Afghanistan
South Africa
New Zealand
Bangladesh.

Thats 12 points and then relied on an upset or two with the other big 4 teams to sneak in.

As it stands, this is still on. However, beating SA and NZ would be a herculean task. Afghanistan is another banana peel. If that match would have been in Bangalore then Pakistan would have won but in Chennai, I'm not so sure Pakistan will have it easy.
 
shariqnoor said:
Pakistan at the start of the tournament had to win these games:

Netherlands
SL
Afghanistan
South Africa
New Zealand
Bangladesh.

Thats 12 points and then relied on an upset or two with the other big 4 teams to sneak in.

As it stands, this is still on. However, beating SA and NZ would be a herculean task. Afghanistan is another banana peel. If that match would have been in Bangalore then Pakistan would have won but in Chennai, I'm not so sure Pakistan will have it easy.
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Yeah good analysis. The tournament isn’t even half way through and we have already seen some upsets like Afghanistan beating England and Netherlands beating South Africa. It’s really hard to make any predictions this early, Pakistan just has to focus on their remaining games. We can probably lose 1 more game and still have a chance to qualify, but who knows.
 
After yesterday's loss against Afghanistan, Pakistan's chances to qualify for the Semi-finals have taken a big hit. Now they have to win the remaining matches without any doubt if they want to create any chance to qualify.
 
BouncerGuy said:
After yesterday's loss against Afghanistan, Pakistan's chances to qualify for the Semi-finals have taken a big hit. Now they have to win the remaining matches without any doubt if they want to create any chance to qualify.
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But very difficult
 
The way, they are playing at the moment. It would be a huge miracle if they get past the group stage.
 
Finishing any less than 5th in the standings would be a disaster for PAK. 5th was always par for Pakistan's skill levels.
 
hitthestump said:
Realistically a lot is going against us.

1. Power hitting is a big problem
2. Spinners are completely out of form
3. Very vulnerable middle overs bowling
4. Hassan Ali << Naseem Shah
5. No crowd support

We do not have a captain who thrives under pressure and will typically go missing when it really matters.

A lot of this is down to poor preparation. Some of it is circumstantial.

But the outcome looks like a 5th/6th place finish and probably a dull tournament for the Pakistani fan.
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It really was clear as day, wasn’t it?
 
I think this will be the standing after all games played

SA
Ind
NZ
Aus

SA and Aus will play semis. NZ and India will play the other semi

Aus will win and NZ/India is tricky depending on the pitch

Either way, cup is going to Aussies I think. They are building an awesome momentum and are always a clutch team in the knockouts. All other semifinalists are duds in knockouts.

England will be 5th and Pakistan will be 6th in standing.
 
rhony said:
I think this will be the standing after all games played

SA
Ind
NZ
Aus

SA and Aus will play semis. NZ and India will play the other semi

Aus will win and NZ/India is tricky depending on the pitch

Either way, cup is going to Aussies I think. They are building an awesome momentum and are always a clutch team in the knockouts. All other semifinalists are duds in knockouts.

England will be 5th and Pakistan will be 6th in standing.
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Travis Head is still yet to join the team as well.. it’s crazy how quickly fortunes can switch, people were marking Australia off after the first couple games
 
160KPH said:
Travis Head is still yet to join the team as well.. it’s crazy how quickly fortunes can switch, people were marking Australia off after the first couple games
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Because their not mental midgets. One or 2 bad games doesn't shut them off.

We Australian boys are strong. I live in Australia, we boys don't cry 😂😂. No mommy daddy bachei
 
160KPH said:
Travis Head is still yet to join the team as well.. it’s crazy how quickly fortunes can switch, people were marking Australia off after the first couple games
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Anyone who writes Australia off is clueless about cricket. Australia A would have about 3 WCs tbh.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Anyone who writes Australia off is clueless about cricket. Australia A would have about 3 WCs tbh.
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mominsaigol said:
Because their not mental midgets. One or 2 bad games doesn't shut them off.

We Australian boys are strong. I live in Australia, we boys don't cry 😂😂. No mommy daddy bachei
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They always peak/perform exactly when they need to do. If they manage to win this cup we’ll be saying that the first two losses benefited them since they got their bad games out of the way early.
 
160KPH said:
They always peak/perform exactly when they need to do. If they manage to win this cup we’ll be saying that the first two losses benefited them since they got their bad games out of the way early.
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Bro the world thinks the people who live in Australia are laid back cause we're lazy.

And that isn't true. We are laid back but it's because we're mentally strong and don't take pressure or anything that seriously and it's clear reflected in the team.

Even in 2011 pointing while visibly upset didn't go on a media cry baby temper tantrum like Babar is atm.

Theirs a reason why economy, politics, depression drama is so absurdly high in countries like UK, and why theirs so much of a mommy daddy culture in Countries like Pakistan.

Gotta be mentally strong man, and this is something Australia, India, NZ and now even sa is developing.

Can't keep coddling the boys forever, and pakistani players are clearly coddled in their comfort zones beyond belief.
 
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