How good has been the rollout of COVID-19 vaccinations in Pakistan?

[pillionrider]

If you look at the chronology of this thread:

Pakistan government officials made huge noises about getting half a million doses of the Chinese vaccine while quietly also mentioning several million of the Oxford one.

Now it looks like they will be majorly using the Oxford one which is most likely manufactured in India.

I'm not sure if these are being paid for and frankly, this aspect is relatively unimportant in times like this. Though it is significant, if so, from India's point of view, considering we're not some financial superpower.

What's significant though, is how quiet the Pak government twitteratis seem to be regarding this piece of information.

Is it out of ego, or is it because they don't want to deal with a perhaps already hesitant population that might be even more hostile against putting something inside their body that was made in India. After all, you have Western Pakistanis like [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] who wouldn't even want to wear a slipper made in India

 

[ahsan17]

I don't know why you would expect them to care about that. It's Not an Indian product, India is merely a licensed manufacturer. On top of that, India doesn't pick where Covax distributes the vaccine.

 

[saeedhk]

This exposes Pakistan's fake anti-India narrative and showcases how Pakistan can never match India's economic and scientific prowess. Our PM H.E. Mr Imran Niazi has been telling that Modi was Hitler and the BJP was Nazi. What happened now?

Good to see Pakistan getting a reality check.

 

[pillionrider]

It's Not an Indian product, India is merely a licensed manufacturer. On top of that, India doesn't pick where Covax distributes the vaccine.

Pakistan will be getting 45 million doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca's coronavirus vaccine, being manufactured in India, under the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation (Gavi), for inoculating 45 million people.

The Public Accounts Committee (PAC) was informed on Thursday (local time) that the country was relying mostly on free doses being provided by the Gavi to inoculate the citizens against the coronavirus as the Chinese-made vaccine CanSino would cost $13 or around Pakistani ₹2,000 per person.



As per officials, Pakistan would receive the first batch of AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine made by the Serum Institute of India by mid-March and the rest of it is expected to arrive by June.

During the PAC meeting, headed by its Chairman Rana Tanveer Hussain, the officials of the Ministry of National Health Services and the National Institute of Health (NIH) said that Pakistan would get a total of 16 million free doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine, which is being manufactured in India, through Gavi for inoculating 45 million people against the yearly target of 70 million.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world...nder-gavi-alliance-report-11615344260420.html

 

[pillionrider]

So nothing comes free in a friendship with China, it seems

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't know why you would expect them to care about that. It's Not an Indian product, India is merely a licensed manufacturer. On top of that, India doesn't pick where Covax distributes the vaccine.

India does decide like every other country how and when it's vaccines are distributed.

SII owns every vial of the vaccine it produces. Aztrazeneca has sold the rights to SII.

 

[Napa]

Is India donating 45M doses or is it Pakistan buying 45M doses from Oxford-AstraZaneca that are being manufactured by Serum Institute of India?
If it is the former than very Magnanimous of India. If the latter, then typical Indian journalism.

Pakistan will receive the vaccines via GAVI.


Aztrazeneca cannot sell vaccines made by SII. These vaccines produced by SII belong to SII and not Aztrazeneca. So if Aztrazeneca has to sell vaccines made by SII they have to buy it and then sell it.

Indian govt controls where and how much of the vaccines are exported, countries in Europe are banning vaccine exports. While India is allowing millions of doses to be exported.Not only to pakistan but to various countries.

There is no "buying" vaccines. Vaccines are scarce, and whatever price is charged does not reflect any sort of market price. Here in the US, many people I know will happily pay thousands of dollars to get the vaccine so that they can stop worrying about getting covid. However, no one will sell it to them. On the other hand, whatever price the Indian government charges does not exceed twenty dollars, or more likely ten dollars.

 

[MenInG]

 

[OMB]

SII is a private enterprise and not run by GOI.

Adil Poonawalla took a huge gamble of producing millions of doses of vaccine even while it was under trials. They have been rolling vaccines out and were betting on its success.
and thanks to this gamble, the vaccine rollout started immediately after approval and this may just have saved the lives of lot of people.

 

[cricketjoshila]

SII is a private enterprise and not run by GOI.

Adil Poonawalla took a huge gamble of producing millions of doses of vaccine even while it was under trials. They have been rolling vaccines out and were betting on its success.
and thanks to this gamble, the vaccine rollout started immediately after approval and this may just have saved the lives of lot of people.

Export of vaccines are controlled by GOI.

 

[Halaribo]

Would have thought Dr Mamoon would have a lot to say on this topic considering his expertise.

 

[MenInG]

Very slow this whole process but they are getting there which is good news.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan has joined a new United Nations (UN) public advocacy campaign 'Only Together' which calls for coronavirus vaccines to be available to everyone and everywhere to contain the deadly pandemic, Radio Pakistan reported on Friday.

In a tweet, Pakistan’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations Munir Akram said he is joining the UN in a call to ensure equitable access and distribution of the coronavirus vaccine.

He said it is vital to control the pandemic for quick recovery of the virus-hit world economy.

As the president of the UN Economic and Social Council, he also called for ensuring that all UN peacekeepers receive the Covid vaccine “quickly and equitably”.

Read more: Coronavirus vaccine 94% effective in preventing asymptomatic infections, says Pfizer

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, in a video message, said now, with the promise of vaccines, we can see light at the end of the tunnel and the vaccines must be considered a global public good.

At the United Nations, Pakistan has called for a comprehensive response to overcome the challenge posed by the linkage between conflict and food security.

Speaking at a debate in the UN Security Council, Akram said through concerted international efforts, we must address not only the symptoms but also the underlying causes of it.

GEO

 

[Giannis]

Idk about Pakistan but America the roll out has been excellent, most of the big stadiums in major cities are serving as vaccination sites and it's really well organized

 

[MenInG]

 

[MenInG]

KARACHI: The Sindh government has decided to engage laboratories and private hospitals in its mass coronavirus vaccination programme.

The decision was taken during a meeting of the Sindh cabinet on Tuesday, presided over by Chief Minister Murad Ali Shah.

During the meeting, the coronavirus situation throughout the country and in the province came under discussion.

Read more: Sindh re-introduces COVID-19 restrictions — markets to close early, 50% work-from-home implemented

The Sindh cabinet decided to take measures to encourage the private sector to import the vaccine, allocate human resources to battle the pandemic and establish vaccination centers in the province, especially in Karachi.

The cabinet was informed by officials of the health department that the coronavirus response last year had been characterised by a mixed public-private system.

"The private health sector played a critical role in providing essential health services, especially when the public sector was so overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients," read a statement from the Sindh government.

Mass vaccination of persons above 18 to begin in next phase
The statement noted that the provincial government had moved to vaccinate frontline healthcare workers when the first tranche of the Sinopharm vaccine was provided to Sindh.

As a next phase, the vaccination of people aged 60 years and above has been initiated.

The vaccination of people aged 18+ on a mass scale will begin in the subsequent phase.

Read more: Will Sindh close schools following Punjab amid virus fears?

The chief minister said that the government must seek the commitment, capability and capacity of the private sector to import COVID-19 vaccines "to fulfill this national duty most effectively and efficiently, for the relief of citizens and in a bid to help the country to return to normalcy."

The chief minister directed the Sindh government to help the private health sector import coronavirus vaccines and called for a registration mechanism under the Sindh Health Care Commission so that everything, including the price of the vaccine, remains under control.

CM Sindh questions KDA's lack of funds

The local government department also urged the chief minister to approve a loan of Rs844.16 million to clear the outstanding dues of the Karachi Development Authority (KDA), which will be paid back through the auction of KDA plots.

The chief minister said that the KDA, local bodies and market committees were autonomous bodies and they have an established system to pay salaries, gratuities and pensions to their retiring or retired employees from their own resources.

He questioned why these bodies have failed to maintain financial discipline and frequently keep requesting the provincial government for grants to pay pensions.

CM Murad then raised questions about the state of the local government's pension. The cabinet decided to constitute a committee under Local Government Minister Syed Nasir Shah to examine the pension funds of KDA, KMC, DMCs, other local bodies, market committees and other organisations.

The committee will investigate how funds were invested by these organisations and try to figure out why a serious financial crisis has originated in these institutions.

"The organisations which were overstaffed will also be identified and a proposal for developing a `surplus pool’ will be submitted so that they can be absorbed somewhere else," read the statement from the Sindh government.

GEO

 

[Napa]

I don't know why you would expect them to care about that. It's Not an Indian product, India is merely a licensed manufacturer. On top of that, India doesn't pick where Covax distributes the vaccine.

India doesn’t have any obligation to Covax. If it wanted it could cut off supply. It’s not as if Covax is offering anything valuable to India.

 

[Slog]

Actually been impressed. Very efficient process to get registered. And then get a call to come in a couple of days to a couple of weeks and then it is administered for free. Doing well so far. (65+ ages only tho)

 

[Giannis]

Actually been impressed. Very efficient process to get registered. And then get a call to come in a couple of days to a couple of weeks and then it is administered for free. Doing well so far. (65+ ages only tho)

Which ones are they offering?

 

[Giannis]

India doesn’t have any obligation to Covax. If it wanted it could cut off supply. It’s not as if Covax is offering anything valuable to India.

Then India should go ahead and cancel their contract if it's such a hassle, there are 194 other countries they can manufacture in. Being a factory is nothing to gloat about, the R&D has nothing to do with India.

 

[Napa]

Then India should go ahead and cancel their contract if it's such a hassle, <b>there are 194 other countries they can manufacture in.</b>

You have no clue. This is from a Wall Street Journal article.

As much of the world struggled to secure Covid-19 vaccine supplies last month, more than 50 million doses were chilling in a warehouse in western India, stacked more than 50 feet high.

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India has been the world’s biggest vaccine producer for years. It produces more than half of the volume of the world’s vaccines and has built a specialization in doing large batches of vaccines for emerging markets, which need each shot to cost less than a few dollars.

As mass production and distribution of Covid-19 vaccines has proven difficult, more countries and vaccine producers have been turning to India for help.

“I think a lot of people don’t understand why they can’t get vaccines, why it is so hard to just get supply,” said Serum Institute Chief Executive Adar Poonawalla. “People underestimate manufacturing at scale; sometimes it’s actually harder to manufacture at scale than it is to even develop or invent a vaccine.”

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Before the pandemic, the Serum Institute was already making around 1.5 billion doses of vaccines per year. It has been the go-to supplier for international organizations such as Unicef and emerging markets because it sells most vaccines at less than $1 a dose. It does that, and still makes a profit, by making batches of millions of doses at a time. Over the decades that it has been doing this, it has built special skills, equipment and analytics that few can match.

As soon as its first vial of the cellular material used to create the AstraZeneca vaccine arrived in May, Serum Institute’s scientists started growing enough of it to fill large containers—some able to hold 2,000 liters, or nearly 530 gallons.

Over time, its scientists figured out how to make the doses faster, tinkering with the process to get more out of each batch. The secret, say Serum’s scientists, is knowing how to grow large amounts of cells in bigger bioreactors, the large metal vats used to grow the cells to make vaccines. It is also knowing the right moment to introduce the virus into the cells, as well as when to harvest that virus, which becomes the base for the vaccines.

It took months to understand the best way to mass produce the AstraZeneca vaccine, said Umesh Shaligram, an executive director at Serum. “You have to understand—to kind of sense—how your cells are behaving, how a virus is behaving. It takes a bit of time to understand,” he said. “Each batch you run you understand better.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-tap...ic-11615719604

 

[Buffet]

Pakistan to receive 45m doses of Covid vaccine from India as part of global alliance

Pakistan will receive 45 million doses of the coronavirus vaccine manufactured by India through the United Nations-backed Covax initiative.

Pakistan would receive its first batch of AstraZeneca jabs, manufactured by the Serum Institute of India under the name Covishield, by mid-March and the rest of it by June, the National Health Service (NHS) Secretary Amir Ashraf Khawaja said on Thursday.

Pakistan has reportedly approved four vaccine candidates, including two from China. The vaccines that have been approved are Sinophram (China), Oxford-AstraZeneca (UK), Sputnik-V (Russia) and Cansino Bio (China).

The country is mostly relying on free vaccine doses sent by China and the Covax initiative which aims to support several low and middle-income countries by providing free vaccines, to immunise at least 70 per cent of its 220 million population.
......

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/pakistan-india-vaccine-astrazeneca-b1815111.html

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45M will vaccinate 22-23M. That will make a huge dent and pretty much eliminate the risk of death for the majority of older people who will get it.

How many doses Pakistan is expecting to come from donations? To immunize 70% of the population means it will need 100s of millions of dosages.

Europe is struggling with vaccine availability. The US is unnecessarily holding some dosage of Astra. It should be given to others. Hopefully, Johnson's vaccine can be produced quickly because it's only one dose and does not require harder logistics.

 

[Slog]

Which ones are they offering?

Chinese one. Sinopharm or sth.

I don’t know effectiveness of it. Was just commenting from logistics POV

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Then India should go ahead and cancel their contract if it's such a hassle, there are 194 other countries they can manufacture in. Being a factory is nothing to gloat about, the R&D has nothing to do with India.

Yet Pakistan laps up everything coming out of Chinese factories.
Anyways, If you don't want vaccines cancel the order and don't take them.
It can be distributed to other countries in Middle East and Africa who need it as well.

 

[MenInG]

KARACHI: Pakistan received Wednesday night the first shipment of privately-imported Russian COVID-19 vaccine, Gam-COVID-Vac or Sputnik V, at the Jinnah International Airport in Karachi.

For now, 50,000 doses of the Sputnik coronavirus vaccine have arrived in Karachi. Health department officials said the vaccine will be given to major hospitals and medical institutions.

"From now onwards, shipments of this highly effective COVID-19 vaccine will be delivered to Pakistan at regular intervals and help the country fight the pandemic,” a Russian trade representative in Karachi, Ruslan Aliev, was quoted as saying by The News.

Aliev handed over the the shipment to the private firm.

The double-dose Sputnik V has become the first COVID-19 vaccine now available in Pakistan in the private sector as earlier the country was relying on the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine, which is being donated to the Pakistan government by Chinese authorities to vaccinate its frontline healthcare workers and elderly population.

Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan (DRAP) had granted emergency use authorisation to the Russian COVID-19 vaccine in the last week of January, 2021.

The DRAP registration board declared the Russian coronavirus vaccine suitable for administration to the elderly population, following recommendations of a committee of experts last week.

Officials of the private firm importing the Sputnik vaccine said they have initially procured 50,000 doses which can vaccinate 25,000 adults. Around 150,000 more doses of the vaccine are expected to reach Pakistan by the end of this week.

How much will the Sputnik vaccine cost?
The private firm cannot sell the Sputnik vaccine to hospitals and institutions yet. DRAP officials said they have to wait for the government to fix the price of the vaccine, which could take a few days or even some weeks.

“Earlier the government had allowed the private sector to import and sell the COVID-19 vaccine on the price of their choice but recently, the federal government revoked its earlier policy and decided to fix the price itself," a DRAP official said.

He said the DRAP pricing board will fix the price and send it to the cabinet for approval. After this, the private sector will be able to sell the vaccine.

Sindh Health Minister Dr Azra Pechuho had said Russians had quoted $26-$28 for two doses of the Sputnik vaccine to the Sindh government.

GEO

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then India should go ahead and cancel their contract if it's such a hassle, there are 194 other countries they can manufacture in. Being a factory is nothing to gloat about, the R&D has nothing to do with India.

Well EU has already said they will seize all production rights of vaccines produced in EU if need be. India too can do so.


If being a factory producing 60 percent of world's vaccine is nothing, why doesn't pakistan do it?

 

[mazkhan]

Using the covishield from india will be a massive mistake its suspended in many countries in Europe and also this uk goverment has now given a cock and bull month delay story about supply issues which is in effect a suspension, only eu are brave to tell the truth whilst the tory goverment are pathological liars and will use spin.

 

[mazkhan]

I hope pakistan uses the Russian and Chinese vaccines

The sputnik seems very good can be stored in a regular fridge and is over 90 per cent effective it is also much cheaper than moderna pfizer etc .
It is also not from monkeys that has been genetically modified for human use but instead uses two human strains of the adenovirus the common human cold which contains the spike protein which encodes the gene for coronavirus sars cov2 .

The astrazeneca covishield so called Oxford by liar boris Johnson and chris whitty who is a liar , and the indigenous bharat covaxin i wouldn't even inject into a dog since there are huge ? Marks of apparent safety of Oxford.
As for indigenous indian bharat covaxin well its indian who would trust it both are also made from monkeys the Oxford from a genetically modified virus in chimp and human foetus cells , and the covaxin is from the cells kidney tissue of the african green monkey .

 

[cricketjoshila]

I hope pakistan uses the Russian and Chinese vaccines

The sputnik seems very good can be stored in a regular fridge and is over 90 per cent effective it is also much cheaper than moderna pfizer etc .
It is also not from monkeys that has been genetically modified for human use but instead uses two human strains of the adenovirus the common human cold which contains the spike protein which encodes the gene for coronavirus sars cov2 .

The astrazeneca covishield so called Oxford by liar boris Johnson and chris whitty who is a liar , and the indigenous bharat covaxin i wouldn't even inject into a dog since there are huge ? Marks of apparent safety of Oxford.
As for indigenous indian bharat covaxin well its indian who would trust it both are also made from monkeys the Oxford from a genetically modified virus in chimp and human foetus cells , and the covaxin is from the cells kidney tissue of the african green monkey .

Ask pakistan to return the 45mn doses it will receive of covishield. I am sure we can use it in India.

 

[mazkhan]

Ask pakistan to return the 45mn doses it will receive of covishield. I am sure we can use it in India.

Yes they should return it ive been advocating for use of the sputnik or Pakistan getting help from China. Even with polio I'm surprised this government has not sought chinese help to eradicate it because the so called Western help as only spread polio in pakistan as well as hundreds of children in sindh which have tested positive for hiv aids whilst the adults are completely disease free and normal, how did these kids get hiv ? It was a massive scandal brushed under the carpet.

The pfizer moderna are too expensive and the problems will be storage in very cold temperatures so that will be a problem in a third world country in pakistan to remoter areas.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes they should return it ive been advocating for use of the sputnik or Pakistan getting help from China. Even with polio I'm surprised this government has not sought chinese help to eradicate it because the so called Western help as only spread polio in pakistan as well as hundreds of children in sindh which have tested positive for hiv aids whilst the adults are completely disease free and normal, how did these kids get hiv ? It was a massive scandal brushed under the carpet.

The pfizer moderna are too expensive and the problems will be storage in very cold temperatures so that will be a problem in a third world country in pakistan to remoter areas.

Where will the Sputnik vaccines be produced? Any idea?

Chinese vaccines like Sinovac have shown how much efficacy in Brazil?

Btw who will pay for these vaccines?

 

[saeedhk]

Yes they should return it ive been advocating for use of the sputnik or Pakistan getting help from China. Even with polio I'm surprised this government has not sought chinese help to eradicate it because the so called Western help as only spread polio in pakistan as well as hundreds of children in sindh which have tested positive for hiv aids whilst the adults are completely disease free and normal, how did these kids get hiv ? It was a massive scandal brushed under the carpet.

The pfizer moderna are too expensive and the problems will be storage in very cold temperatures so that will be a problem in a third world country in pakistan to remoter areas.

Are you saying polio and HIV are western conspiracies?

 

[mazkhan]

Ask pakistan to return the 45mn doses it will receive of covishield. I am sure we can use it in India.

Where will the Sputnik vaccines be produced? Any idea?

Chinese vaccines like Sinovac have shown how much efficacy in Brazil?

Btw who will pay for these vaccines?

I have no issue with medicines manufactured in India since India supplies most medicines in pakistan anyway .

My issue was with the safety of Oxford which many countries earlier dismissed as not being effective and the trial data not sufficient and now you have these issues with possible side effects and various countries suspending it .

Also the Oxford vaccine was developed in the UK it is not indian . Its just that aztrazrneca have made a contract with sii to manufacture the vaccine , the vaccine is also made in the UK.

Also gland pharma which will manufacture sputnik in India is owned by China anyway .

 

[ahsan17]

If being a factory producing 60 percent of world's vaccine is nothing, why doesn't pakistan do it?

Or, why doesn't rest of the world? India derives a lot of it advantages by having a huge population. A huge population isn't an achievement. In this particular case, it affects economies of scale. If generic medicine is manufactured in India cheaply, it can reach its biggest market (India itself) easily and still be fairly cheap for the rest of the world. Again, none of that is an achievement, but a function of having a huge population.

 

[mazkhan]

There are plenty of other countries manufacturing

Take for example sputnik its manufactured by 6 firms in Russia itself , also manufactured in Brazil and South Korea and glandpharma deal in India.

The Chinese have already made deals with Turkey Serbia Egypt Morocco etc where they will make the Chinese vaccines locally, local production.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Or, why doesn't rest of the world? India derives a lot of it advantages by having a huge population. A huge population isn't an achievement. In this particular case, it affects economies of scale. If generic medicine is manufactured in India cheaply, it can reach its biggest market (India itself) easily and still be fairly cheap for the rest of the world. Again, none of that is an achievement, but a function of having a huge population.

Population has nothing to do with production of vaccines and medicines. It requires expertise to do this.

Pakistan has a population of 200mn plus. Why isnt it doing this? Why isnt Indonesia doing this?

 

[cricketjoshila]

There are plenty of other countries manufacturing

Take for example sputnik its manufactured by 6 firms in Russia itself , also manufactured in Brazil and South Korea and glandpharma deal in India.

The Chinese have already made deals with Turkey Serbia Egypt Morocco etc where they will make the Chinese vaccines locally, local production.

Chinese vaccine has not been reviewed in any peer reviewed journal. It has little credibility. You raise questions on Oxford while supporting the chinese product.

A large amount of Russian vaccines will be produced by Gland Pharma and Dr Reddy's. But again that vaccine hasnt been approved by us uk EU or any other credible agency.

Its strange that you raise questions on Oxford while supporting Sputnik and chinese vaccine.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I hope pakistan uses the Russian and Chinese vaccines

The sputnik seems very good can be stored in a regular fridge and is over 90 per cent effective it is also much cheaper than moderna pfizer etc .
It is also not from monkeys that has been genetically modified for human use but instead uses two human strains of the adenovirus the common human cold which contains the spike protein which encodes the gene for coronavirus sars cov2 .

The astrazeneca covishield so called Oxford by liar boris Johnson and chris whitty who is a liar , and the indigenous bharat covaxin i wouldn't even inject into a dog since there are huge ? Marks of apparent safety of Oxford.
As for indigenous indian bharat covaxin well its indian who would trust it both are also made from monkeys the Oxford from a genetically modified virus in chimp and human foetus cells , and the covaxin is from the cells kidney tissue of the african green monkey .

Ok, you be a good boy and take the Chinese Vaccine for the Chinese Virus

 

[MenInG]

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[Buffet]

Well EU has already said they will seize all production rights of vaccines produced in EU if need be. India too can do so.


If being a factory producing 60 percent of world's vaccine is nothing, why doesn't pakistan do it?

I personally think it's best to vaccinate the older population in the entire world before we start vaccination the younger population in specific countries. That way most deaths can be avoided.

The problem with EU is a bit different. EU did not provide funding to accelerate production before the vaccine proved to be working. Neither they signed contracts to secure supply in advance. Now EU is having trouble in local production and talking about stopping the export of vaccines.

I will prefer to see all 65+ years old in the world getting a vaccine before I get it in the US. Yes, US put money to accelerate development, still, I would like to see the older population in the world getting it first. they need it a lot more than me.

People who are talking about getting produced in random countries have no clue about vaccine production. It is not easy to start producing it if you have never done it.

 

[Buffet]

Also, EU regulators have not said that Astra is not safe.

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The European Medicine Agency’s (EMA) safety committee cautions, however, that none of those deaths were actually linked to the vaccine. The committee further noted that several people who got blood clots were middle aged, when such clots are more common, and that blood clots aren’t particularly rare in the general population. AstraZeneca noted in a statement that the number of blood clots are actually “much lower than would be expected to occur naturally in a general population of this size.”

Davey Smith, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California San Diego, is baffled by governments’ decisions to suspend use of AstraZeneca’s vaccine. “I’ve seen no data to see why they are stopping,” he says, adding, “People are going to get blood clots, because they would have gotten them with or without the vaccine.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahro...f-astrazenecas-covid-vaccine/?sh=5224421d2236


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Bus hitting someone after taking Astra does not mean that Astra becomes unsafe. If you are giving millions of people vaccines, many will get sick for all different reasons with or without vaccines.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2290125/govt-reverses-decision-to-allow-uncapped-prices-for-covid-19-vaccines-imported-by-private-firms

Pakistan has reversed a decision that had allowed uncapped prices for Covid-19 vaccines imported by private firms, Health Minister Faisal Sultan said on Thursday.

Pakistan, largely reliant on the GAVI/WHO COVAX initiative for poorer nations, had early February allowed private companies to import coronavirus vaccines and agreed to exempt such imports from price caps.

"Now, however, there is a formula, already in vogue, to determine max price," Sultan told Reuters. "So yes, there is a price cap that DRAP (Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan) will recommend and get approval for," he said.

The government is importing vaccine to administer free jabs to the people in phases.

There was a need to enable private sector to import vaccine to administer to those segments of the society, who were not ‘on the immediate priority established by the government, under strict medical supervision in private healthcare facilities.

No reliable price information was available at this point in time. Moreover, vaccine manufactured by different companies might differ on the use of technologies and number of shots required for immunisation.

In view of the situation, the cabinet considered that fixing maximum retail price of vaccines under paragraph 4 of Drug Pricing Policy-2018 was not possible, it allowed exemption from Section 12 of the Drugs Act, 1976 for a period of 6 months or until the market prices of vaccines became available.

A notification in this regard was issued on February 2, 2021. Later the matter of prices of vaccines in the market was discussed in a meeting of the National Command and Operation Committee (NCOC) on 10 February, 2021.

The NCOC meeting expressed its apprehensions that the vaccines might be sold or administered at very high prices if the rates were not regulated. However, it also emphasised that the process of fixing maximum retail prices be amended keeping in view the urgency of the situation.

 

[ahsan17]

Population has nothing to do with production of vaccines and medicines. It requires expertise to do this.

Pakistan has a population of 200mn plus. Why isnt it doing this? Why isnt Indonesia doing this?

Why aren't like 99% of the countries doing it? Why aren't countries much richer than India doing it? Manufacturing vaccines isn't some complicated process that only a few countries could overtake.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why aren't like 99% of the countries doing it? Why aren't countries much richer than India doing it? Manufacturing vaccines isn't some complicated process that only a few countries could overtake.

Because 99 per cent of the countries don't have a well developed pharma sector. Look at USA, look at EU they are mostly producing their own doses and dont depend on others.

Manufacturing vaccines that too at massive scale is a very complicated process.

 

[mazkhan]

Manufacturing is easy , its the r&d which is the more complex part .

Reason india and China lead in manufacturing of medicines is because most of the raw ingredients in medicines are produced in India and China alongside having a monopoly over the trade and export of these ingredients


Pakistan would have to import all the ingredients so it wouldn't be cost effective hence why cheaper imports killed of any local production in pakistan .

 

[PetroDollars]

One can only be ridiculously stupid to bash the Oxford/AZ vaccine while hyping a chiense and russian one )

 

[Lego20]

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PM gets his vaccination

Which one did he take - Chinese ?

 

[Local.Dada]

Why aren't like 99% of the countries doing it? Why aren't countries much richer than India doing it? Manufacturing vaccines isn't some complicated process that only a few countries could overtake.

Because of scientists,technical resources and infrastructure to support such production ? Why do you think American companies outsource IT to India mostly? Do people in America don’t use computers or speak English?

I am amazed you couldn’t think of this simple logic yourself.

 

[Buffet]

Why aren't like 99% of the countries doing it? Why aren't countries much richer than India doing it? Manufacturing vaccines isn't some complicated process that only a few countries could overtake.

Technically it is possible to do so for many countries, but it is not as easy as you are thinking.

Cost and resources to do it are the two requirements. Drug regulators of different countries have to certify different manufacturing sites. For example, Canada placed 4 times the vaccines needed but they placed it mainly from European sites. Since European sites are having trouble producing enough vaccines, Canada is having trouble getting enough vaccines despite placing such a large order.

Canada asked the US, but the US refused to give the vaccine before US citizens are vaccinated. Canada asked Indians, but before asking the Canadian drug regulators had to certify Indian sites and they did it in 2 weeks. The only reason certification was done so quickly is that most of the vaccine manufacturing sites in India are already certified by WHO and it took many iterations for them to get there.

So even if Canada has money and needs to get the vaccine, it won't be possible for Canada to make their own vaccine quickly. It is not just about raw material access. Europe is not getting the vaccine from the US, but the US is freely providing them the raw material. I am sure Canada would have gotten raw material from the US as well, but it is hard for new set up to make vaccines quickly.

This is also the main reason China has not been able to ramp up production which can be certified by WHO. If China had it already, the world would have been better off because not much vaccine is getting out of Europe and the US till citizens are vaccinated. Developing and poor countries are pretty much dependent on Indians and thankfully they are not blocking export.

40 years old in US/UK is at much lower risk than 70 years old in Pakistan or Ghana. All lives are equal. Yes, Indians will surely take this to advertise for their goodwill and that's perfectly fine. Give them credit and move on. I will prefer to see the 60+ years old population of the entire world getting the vaccine before 30 years old in the US/UK/Europe get it, but it is probably not going to happen.

 

[ahsan17]

Because of scientists,technical resources and infrastructure to support such production ? Why do you think American companies outsource IT to India mostly? Do people in America don’t use computers or speak English?

I am amazed you couldn’t think of this simple logic yourself.

What overly simplistic logic. That 'logic' is only to suit your own views. I already mentioned it is due to economies of scale, not some scientific achievement like you suggest.

If you want to start a separate discussion about IT, feel free to do so. But IT is a specialized skill, not equivalent to mass manufacturing.

 

[ahsan17]

Technically it is possible to do so for many countries, but it is not as easy as you are thinking.

Cost and resources to do it are the two requirements. Drug regulators of different countries have to certify different manufacturing sites. For example, Canada placed 4 times the vaccines needed but they placed it mainly from European sites. Since European sites are having trouble producing enough vaccines, Canada is having trouble getting enough vaccines despite placing such a large order.

Canada asked the US, but the US refused to give the vaccine before US citizens are vaccinated. Canada asked Indians, but before asking the Canadian drug regulators had to certify Indian sites and they did it in 2 weeks. The only reason certification was done so quickly is that most of the vaccine manufacturing sites in India are already certified by WHO and it took many iterations for them to get there.

So even if Canada has money and needs to get the vaccine, it won't be possible for Canada to make their own vaccine quickly. It is not just about raw material access. Europe is not getting the vaccine from the US, but the US is freely providing them the raw material. I am sure Canada would have gotten raw material from the US as well, but it is hard for new set up to make vaccines quickly.

This is also the main reason China has not been able to ramp up production which can be certified by WHO. If China had it already, the world would have been better off because not much vaccine is getting out of Europe and the US till citizens are vaccinated. Developing and poor countries are pretty much dependent on Indians and thankfully they are not blocking export.

40 years old in US/UK is at much lower risk than 70 years old in Pakistan or Ghana. All lives are equal. Yes, Indians will surely take this to advertise for their goodwill and that's perfectly fine. Give them credit and move on. I will prefer to see the 60+ years old population of the entire world getting the vaccine before 30 years old in the US/UK/Europe get it, but it is probably not going to happen.

To me, what you are describing seems to be about acquiring raw materials, which is different from the narrative the Indians here want to spin about how they are more advanced than most countries, including many developed countries that are far wealthier than them.

 

[Buffet]

To me, what you are describing seems to be about acquiring raw materials, which is different from the narrative the Indians here want to spin about how they are more advanced than most countries, including many developed countries that are far wealthier than them.

Acquiring raw material + skills + Cost + already set up process with certification.

As far as the current covid situation is concerned, the cost can be covered by all developed countries. Most developed countries will have skills as well. Not the smaller countries because you need a certain ecosystem, but big ones can easily do it if the cost is not a factor.

The raw material issue will be present for many, but the US is allowing raw material for European sites. Even India gets some raw material from China.

The biggest challenge will be to set up a new site to get certified for production and that's probably not practical. It will take few iterations to get it right. Since Indians have been producing 60% of vaccines, they have an existing setup with the certification of WHO. As far as covid vaccine goes, most vaccines will come from India. That's why Quad(USA, Japan, Aus, Ind) is putting a new production for J&J vaccine in India to produce 1B dose of vaccine in India.

It is simply more practical and quicker. It is not about no other country can do it.

 

[Giannis]

Acquiring raw material + skills + Cost + already set up process with certification.

As far as the current covid situation is concerned, the cost can be covered by all developed countries. Most developed countries will have skills as well. Not the smaller countries because you need a certain ecosystem, but big ones can easily do it if the cost is not a factor.

The raw material issue will be present for many, but the US is allowing raw material for European sites. Even India gets some raw material from China.

The biggest challenge will be to set up a new site to get certified for production and that's probably not practical. It will take few iterations to get it right. Since Indians have been producing 60% of vaccines, they have an existing setup with the certification of WHO. As far as covid vaccine goes, most vaccines will come from India. That's why Quad(USA, Japan, Aus, Ind) is putting a new production for J&J vaccine in India to produce 1B dose of vaccine in India.

It is simply more practical and quicker. It is not about no other country can do it.

LOL the "quad' is not some multilateral group that you're referring to, it's just a strategic dialogue of 4 countries for geopolitical purposes not some economic union of equals that you're trying to use. I understand Indians want to feel special and probably gain the most from being in the 'quad'.

 

[Buffet]

LOL the "quad' is not some multilateral group that you're referring to, ....

Reading more than what's posted there?

I know very well what Quad stands for.

Anyway, who cares what quad stands for when talking about 1B extra dose of vaccines. As long as the vaccine dose gets distributed, it is irrelevant.

 

[cricketjoshila]

To me, what you are describing seems to be about acquiring raw materials, which is different from the narrative the Indians here want to spin about how they are more advanced than most countries, including many developed countries that are far wealthier than them.

Acquiring raw materials? Is that what you understood from that post?

Well, we do have a advanced pharma sector. India is one of the few countries that has a indigenous Covid vaccine. Wealth doesn't mean that the country is equipped in a particular technological field.

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL the "quad' is not some multilateral group that you're referring to, it's just a strategic dialogue of 4 countries for geopolitical purposes not some economic union of equals that you're trying to use. I understand Indians want to feel special and probably gain the most from being in the 'quad'.

Well pakistan surely doesn't get to certify what QUAD is.

And it doesn't matter either.

The Quadvis pooling its resources to produce a billion doses of vaccine. Pakistan may be one of the countries to get those doses.

 

[mazkhan]

Well pakistan surely doesn't get to certify what QUAD is.

And it doesn't matter either.

The Quadvis pooling its resources to produce a billion doses of vaccine. Pakistan may be one of the countries to get those doses.

Well you might first wanna sort out Europe first which is all over the shop and at each others throats blaming each other.



And talking of western competence

Victor orban broke ranks

Hungary is also the first EU country to greenlight the Russian Sputnik V jab, which has also not been approved yet by the EU medicines regulator.

Under a deal between Budapest and Moscow, Russia is set to send two million doses of its jab - enough for one million people to be vaccinated - to Hungary.

Hospitals began administering the vaccine in Budapest at the start of February.

Orban has claimed the additional vaccines from Russia and China will enable Hungary to vaccinate millions more people by the end of May than other European countries with similar populations.

“As things stand now, (we can vaccinate) 6.8 million people by the end of May or beginning of June,” he said in a radio interview. “I think this is huge.”

Orban has previously said he would personally choose to be inoculated with the Sinopharm vaccine since he trusts it the most.

“I think the Chinese have known this virus for the longest and they probably know it the best,” he said.

The Sinopharm vaccine, which the developer says is nearly 80% effective, is already in use in Hungary’s non-EU neighbour, Serbia, where around half a million people, including ethnic Hungarians, have already received the jab.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well you might first wanna sort out Europe first which is all over the shop and at each others throats blaming each other.



And talking of western competence

Victor orban broke ranks

Europe has doses on order, they may get ot late but they will get it.

Pakistan has only access to 45mn doses,that too due to the GAVI/Covax. Pakistan is testing an abysmal 45k people a day. Worry about that and not Europe.

 

[ahsan17]

Acquiring raw materials? Is that what you understood from that post?

Well, we do have a advanced pharma sector. India is one of the few countries that has a indigenous Covid vaccine. Wealth doesn't mean that the country is equipped in a particular technological field.

And what did you understand?

Like I said, if India didn't have this huge population then it likely wouldn't be able to provide economies of scale. Which is obviously no achievement. Honestly, no one thinks of China other than cheap labour because of how much manufacturing happens in China.

In any case, I am glad that Pakistani government is not acknowledging India government despite many Indians asking them to. Given the big deal Indians are making about their vaccine manufacturing, and all the pompous behaviour Indians are showing, any acknowledgement by Pakistani government would send Indians into the next level of frenzy.

 

[LongHorn]

Also, EU regulators have not said that Astra is not safe.

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The European Medicine Agency’s (EMA) safety committee cautions, however, that none of those deaths were actually linked to the vaccine. The committee further noted that several people who got blood clots were middle aged, when such clots are more common, and that blood clots aren’t particularly rare in the general population. AstraZeneca noted in a statement that the number of blood clots are actually “much lower than would be expected to occur naturally in a general population of this size.”

Davey Smith, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California San Diego, is baffled by governments’ decisions to suspend use of AstraZeneca’s vaccine. “I’ve seen no data to see why they are stopping,” he says, adding, “People are going to get blood clots, because they would have gotten them with or without the vaccine.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahro...f-astrazenecas-covid-vaccine/?sh=5224421d2236


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Bus hitting someone after taking Astra does not mean that Astra becomes unsafe. If you are giving millions of people vaccines, many will get sick for all different reasons with or without vaccines.

Very true. But by the same account, Covid death tolls in most countries include people who were terminally ill. In the UK, anyone dying within 28 days of a positive Covid test is counted as someone who died from Covid, even if the actual reason may have been something else

 

[PetroDollars]

This is why you shouldnt be depending on unapproved vaccines from china and russia

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Chile's coronavirus crisis deepens, despite being one of the world's quickest to vaccinate
https://news.yahoo.com/chile-pandemic-covid-cases-rising-081328390.html

 

[Major]

Rich families can get the vaccine by showing themselves as health care workers. My friend's father got his whole family vaccinated on the basis that they have a health ngo. My friend is a student of ACCA

Every Health care worker is getting vaccination. Now heres the thing. Not every health care worker is ready to treat you. even if you take your own meds to the hospital, the workers won't set up the IV drip for you.

 

[Major]

As soon as i am eligible, I am getting the vaccine. For me it doesnt matter its chinese, japanese, canadian, India or Yahoodi.

Covid has a bad effect on your, and its treatment is damn costly. Plus, i have seen people in the hospital placed on ventilators and oxygen.

Another issue is our Govt is not buying vaccines, the ones they got are donations as of yet. Lets see what Pti does here, are they gonna buy vaccines or just waste money on 23rd march parades

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

What overly simplistic logic. That 'logic' is only to suit your own views. I already mentioned it is due to economies of scale, not some scientific achievement like you suggest.

If you want to start a separate discussion about IT, feel free to do so. But IT is a specialized skill, not equivalent to mass manufacturing.

Why do you think Pakistan is not able to mass produce vaccines if this is such a trivial task? I am sure you would have felt pride UK and Canada asking vaccines from your coubtry.

 

[CRIC_FANtastic]

And what did you understand?

Like I said, if India didn't have this huge population then it likely wouldn't be able to provide economies of scale. Which is obviously no achievement. Honestly, no one thinks of China other than cheap labour because of how much manufacturing happens in China.

In any case, I am glad that Pakistani government is not acknowledging India government despite many Indians asking them to. Given the big deal Indians are making about their vaccine manufacturing, and all the pompous behaviour Indians are showing, any acknowledgement by Pakistani government would send Indians into the next level of frenzy.

I think you have not seen interviews Asad Umar is giving in last few days. He has already acknowledged that vaccines are coming from India as India is vaccine powerhouse

 

[Buffet]

Very true. But by the same account, Covid death tolls in most countries include people who were terminally ill. In the UK, anyone dying within 28 days of a positive Covid test is counted as someone who died from Covid, even if the actual reason may have been something else

That's misleading data and I suspect intentionally projected to keep lockdown for longer. Not sure about it, but that would be my guess.

Anyway, humanity dodged a bullet here. Covid was not so deadly and we were not prepared. We have been able to get vaccines so quickly and also in large numbers. Hopefully, it helps in future pandemics.

 

[Buffet]

As soon as i am eligible, I am getting the vaccine. For me it doesnt matter its chinese, japanese, canadian, India or Yahoodi.

Covid has a bad effect on your, and its treatment is damn costly. Plus, i have seen people in the hospital placed on ventilators and oxygen.

Another issue is our Govt is not buying vaccines, the ones they got are donations as of yet. Lets see what Pti does here, are they gonna buy vaccines or just waste money on 23rd march parades

With Gavi donations, 20% population should be vaccinated by the end of this year. I think more than 45M doses will come as more money gets contributed by richer nations. I think Pakistan had private imports and it should be allowed. That way people with money can cover the cost. As long as 40-50% population gets the vaccine, Covid seriousness will be a lot less.

The role played by Gavi is underrated when it comes to access to vaccines for developing/poor countries. Gates foundations pumped money in Astra productions in Indian sites before it was approved by any regulator to allow a large number of vaccines to be available to developing/poor countries. They realized in advance that vaccine access won't be available to poor/developing countries.

I think after 3-4 months, the situation will get even better because the US has ordered 400M Astra and they won't use it. That vaccine will go to other countries. I am actually surprised by the production ramp-up and it seems we will vaccinate 25-30% even in developing countries by the end of this year.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And what did you understand?

Like I said, if India didn't have this huge population then it likely wouldn't be able to provide economies of scale. Which is obviously no achievement. Honestly, no one thinks of China other than cheap labour because of how much manufacturing happens in China.

In any case, I am glad that Pakistani government is not acknowledging India government despite many Indians asking them to. Given the big deal Indians are making about their vaccine manufacturing, and all the pompous behaviour Indians are showing, any acknowledgement by Pakistani government would send Indians into the next level of frenzy.

Vaccines or medicines are not manufactured in cheap sweat shops. They require specialized industrial sites and man power. Do you know what is a BSL 4 lab? Any idea what a leak in a BSL 4 lab can do? Do you know how many BSL 4 labs India has? How many BSL 4 labs pakistan has?

Leave BSL 4. How many bsl 3 labs are there in India and in pakistan?

Well pakistan govt has said many times that 45mn doses will come from India via GAVI. Even if they didn't acknowledge, how will it matter, when the whole world is acknowledging India's vaccine capability.

 

[PetroDollars]

There should be repercussions from EUs nazi agenda against oxford/AZ vaccine and they should now be made to pay for the vaccine for poor countries.

 

[Buffet]

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Pakistan's numbers are too low for population size right now. Gavi donations should start hitting in March and this number should shoot up drastically.

 

[ahsan17]

Why do you think Pakistan is not able to mass produce vaccines if this is such a trivial task? I am sure you would have felt pride UK and Canada asking vaccines from your coubtry.

As I said, why aren't like 99% of countries not mass producing vaccines, including countries much richer and technically more advanced than India?

 

[ahsan17]

I think you have not seen interviews Asad Umar is giving in last few days. He has already acknowledged that vaccines are coming from India as India is vaccine powerhouse

Please mention the exact quote so we know what you are talking about.

 

[ahsan17]

Vaccines or medicines are not manufactured in cheap sweat shops. They require specialized industrial sites and man power. Do you know what is a BSL 4 lab? Any idea what a leak in a BSL 4 lab can do? Do you know how many BSL 4 labs India has? How many BSL 4 labs pakistan has?

Leave BSL 4. How many bsl 3 labs are there in India and in pakistan?

Well pakistan govt has said many times that 45mn doses will come from India via GAVI. Even if they didn't acknowledge, how will it matter, when the whole world is acknowledging India's vaccine capability.

You are just repeating the same thing. Yes Pakistan doesn't mass manufacture vaccines. Very few countries do. India has those labs because of economies of scale. Setting up such labs can literally happen in any country if that country can provide economies of scale. It just takes a little more time than setting up factories but the end of the day it's mass manufacturing. And that's what Indians are proud of, being a mass manufacturing hub lol.

 

[Last Monetarist]

And that's what Indians are proud of, being a mass manufacturing hub lol.

Poor form or ignorance to blame a country for being a mass manufacturing hub, it's one of the most effective ways out of mass poverty. The fact that Pakistan relies on other countries to manufacture a range of goods is the single biggest reason why the country has constantly been in some economic crisis or other.

Countries need to learn to be self-reliant and the first step is to build a mass manufacturing operation within their borders, ideally of goods that would make other countries reliant. It's a basic way to build diplomatic and economic influence.

 

[ahsan17]

Poor form or ignorance to blame a country for being a mass manufacturing hub, it's one of the most effective ways out of mass poverty. The fact that Pakistan relies on other countries to manufacture a range of goods is the single biggest reason why the country has constantly been in some economic crisis or other.

Countries need to learn to be self-reliant and the first step is to build a mass manufacturing operation within their borders, ideally of goods that would make other countries reliant. It's a basic way to build diplomatic and economic influence.

I am not blaming them or belittling them. But the way they are talking, you'd think they have cracked something scientifically important.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am not blaming them or belittling them. But the way they are talking, you'd think they have cracked something scientifically important.

That most of the world including pakistan depends on India for vaccines is very important.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You are just repeating the same thing. Yes Pakistan doesn't mass manufacture vaccines. Very few countries do. India has those labs because of economies of scale. Setting up such labs can literally happen in any country if that country can provide economies of scale. It just takes a little more time than setting up factories but the end of the day it's mass manufacturing. And that's what Indians are proud of, being a mass manufacturing hub lol.

All those BSL4 labs are govt owned and not owned by private companies producing vaccines. But those labs help in research that goes into manufacturing those vaccines.

India not only mass produces, it makes its own vaccines.

You clearly have no idea what goes into making biotechnological stuff.

Its not stitching footballs or making clothes that you set up a shed and do it. Its not like that you set up a factory and it rolls out.

The cause of Covid may be a leak in a BSL 4 lab.

If i remember correctly China had set up a BSL 4 lab, its first, in 2015. India had one more than 2 decades back.

Your ignorance is pitiable.

 

[ahsan17]

India not only mass produces, it makes its own vaccines.

Ok..? Not relevant to what I said.

You clearly have no idea what goes into making biotechnological stuff.

Its not stitching footballs or making clothes that you set up a shed and do it. Its not like that you set up a factory and it rolls out.

And it seems like you love strawmaning. I did not imply it is similar to manufacturing football or clothes, or that it's like any other factory. I clearly mentioned it takes longer than factories but any country can handle it given enough time and economies of scale. Maybe not really small countries but vast majority of the countries can handle it. That part is true.

The cause of Covid may be a leak in a BSL 4 lab.

I mean, if we're speculating, I can speculate anything too. But if you're trying to make the point about sanitization levels of these labs, that's old news. Your point about me not knowing about making pharmaceuticals was based on me not acknowledging old well known information that these labs have to maintain a certain level of sanity?

If i remember correctly China had set up a BSL 4 lab, its first, in 2015. India had one more than 2 decades back.

Your ignorance is pitiable.

Now you're just lying and making stuff up.

India had BSL 4 lab less than a decade ago. http://archive.indianexpress.com/ne...fety-lab-at-niv-to-be-a-reality-soon-/907238/

In any case, I'll mention again that the only reason why India produces so many vaccines is because of cost and economies of scale. That's really what it boils down to. I guess you could throw in first-to-market advantage into that, but neither of those is an achievement.

 

[Thulsa]

That most of the world including pakistan depends on India for vaccines is very important.

Who cares? This thread is looking at the doses of vaccine administered and what’s shocking from an earlier diagram is how appallingly low Pakistan’s numbers are.

Instead we have the usual point scoring on how one country is bad because of X etc. Btw - to the poster that is attempting to ridicule India’s manufacturing capability - being able to do something on potential and actually doing it and being successful are light years apart. And is one of the reason Pakistan is in dire straights.

On the doses administered in Pakistan, given there is a lot of material on pessimism and reluctance to take up the vaccine amongst BAME communities but especially amongst Pakistanis, could this be part of the reason versus supply chain issues?

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ing-vaccine-uptake-minority-ethnic-groups.pdf - see page 5 for the UK breakdown

 

[Last Monetarist]

On the doses administered in Pakistan, given there is a lot of material on pessimism and reluctance to take up the vaccine amongst BAME communities but especially amongst Pakistanis, could this be part of the reason versus supply chain issues?

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ing-vaccine-uptake-minority-ethnic-groups.pdf - see page 5 for the UK breakdown

At this stage, it's more to do with supply chain issues than a reluctance among the public to be vaccinated. There aren't sufficient vaccination centres, and the ones that are operational are only serving people above the age of 60. The bottom line is that the Pakistani government simply hasn't procured sufficient doses.