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I personally rate him as a very good batsman. A player who was the backbone of his team for quite a few years. His fitness was a major obstacle for him to perform even better. But over all, a very good batsman who did very well.

How highly would you posters rate him?
 
Very highly.

Was a solid captain and bat for Pakistan during our series vs them around the mid-2000s.
 
An extremely talented batsman, and a very good captain. One of the most iconic Pakistani cricketers ever.
 
Because Inzi is a big fan of Bret the Bitter Hart

Well Inzi was a triple centurion as well. Some folks having careers of 2 decades couldn't even manage that feat and bashed minnows at home to achieve pointless statistics over the years.

Clearly a notch above many of his era plus taller than many other celebrated batsmen of yesteryear. I still maintain that he's the second best batsman ever produced by the Sub continent in terms of Talent just behind Rahul Dravid.
 
A great but an underachiever

Could have been an ATG given his talent
 
Test matches- very good. A notch above Misbah, but not as high as Younis, Yousuf, Miandad
ODI- maybe an ATG. Arguably the best we've ever produced
 
Well Inzi was a triple centurion as well. Some folks having careers of 2 decades couldn't even manage that feat and bashed minnows at home to achieve pointless statistics over the years.

Clearly a notch above many of his era plus taller than many other celebrated batsmen of yesteryear. I still maintain that he's the second best batsman ever produced by the Sub continent in terms of Talent just behind Rahul Dravid.

Definetly, arguably our greatest bat
 
Among Pakistani batsmen, I only rate Miandad and YK ahead of him.
 
Best Pakistani batsman after YK for me in tests. Moyo third. Inzy never had great knocks against OZ or Saffers. Not from memory anyway. Even his knocks against WI were after 1995 when Amby was past his best i guess.
 
Among Pakistani batsmen, I only rate Miandad and YK ahead of him.

In terms of effectiveness Miandad has edge over Inzi and YK.

YK is 'statistically' superior than both.

In terms of standalone batting talent, Inzi is best ever Pakistan produced, YK is nowhere near top 5 batsmen overall produced by Pakistan.

Younus Khan is Shivnaraine Chanderpaul of Pakistan, 'in Test cricket only'. Chanderpaul was far superior ODI bat.
 
In terms of effectiveness Miandad has edge over Inzi and YK.

YK is 'statistically' superior than both.

In terms of standalone batting talent, Inzi is best ever Pakistan produced, YK is nowhere near top 5 batsmen overall produced by Pakistan.

Younus Khan is Shivnaraine Chanderpaul of Pakistan, 'in Test cricket only'. Chanderpaul was far superior ODI bat.

Talent can only take you so far. If talent was the sole criteria, even Yousuf would be ahead of YK which just isn't the case. In tests, I'd put YK ahead of even Miandad. I don't see the similarity with Chanderpaul since YK is, essentially, a conventional test bat with a fairly copy book technique tailored for his own playing style. Chanderpaul had a technique that worked but was not what anyone would teach younger players. A YK in full flow is a walking coaching manual.
 
Best Pakistani batsman after YK for me in tests. Moyo third. Inzy never had great knocks against OZ or Saffers. Not from memory anyway. Even his knocks against WI were after 1995 when Amby was past his best i guess.

There were a couple of brilliant Test knocks from Inzy against Aus and SA - Karachi 1994 and Port Elizabeth 2007 when he was batting with the tail and scored 90 odd.

But yes, his record against those two teams were pretty average.

However his ability to score clutch knocks was fantastic. Very few batsman could soak up pressure and carry a team on his back quite like Inzy.
 
There were a couple of brilliant Test knocks from Inzy against Aus and SA - Karachi 1994 and Port Elizabeth 2007 when he was batting with the tail and scored 90 odd.

But yes, his record against those two teams were pretty average.

However his ability to score clutch knocks was fantastic. Very few batsman could soak up pressure and carry a team on his back quite like Inzy.

Yes no doubt. A very good clutch player and was a master at batting with the tail. I saw the latter knock against SA in 2007 but generally he never performed against quality seam/pace attacks. Even that 329 was against Tuffey,Phantom,Vettori and Harris i think. Don't get me wrong i think he's just a shade below the Laras and Pontings.
 
Inzi had aura, an air of certainty and assurance about him. He has massively underachieved. You never relate these things with Younus. YK doesn't have 1/10th of Inzi's presence at crease. Inzi was a Pakistani great.
 
Inzi had aura, an air of certainty and assurance about him. He has massively underachieved. You never relate these things with Younus. YK doesn't have 1/10th of Inzi's presence at crease. Inzi was a Pakistani great.

Aura, presence and other such intangibles are secondary to producing the goods when it matters and on that front, YK is in a class of his own as far as Pakistani batsmen are concerned. As a frame of reference, from India I'd say Inzamam is somewhere between Dravid and Laxman. YK is basically up there with Dravid and both Inzamam/YK are a notch above Yousuf.
 
As selector: very low
As captain : very low
As batsman: very high, second only to Miandad among Pakistanis, much higher than Younis Khan.
 
My rating of Pakistani batsman.

'Overall' -

1. Little Master (Technique + Grit)
2. Inzimam (ODI Great + Very Good Test batsman)
3. Mohd. Yousuf (Very Good in all formats)
4. Zaheer Abbas (Good batsman in Tests. Legendary in ODIs)
5. Saeed Anwar (Matched Tendulkar head to head once upon a time)
6. Younus Khan (Very very poor ODI batsman, fast becoming a country great in tests)
 
My rating of Pakistani batsman.

'Overall' -

1. Little Master (Technique + Grit)
2. Inzimam (ODI Great + Very Good Test batsman)
3. Mohd. Yousuf (Very Good in all formats)
4. Zaheer Abbas (Good batsman in Tests. Legendary in ODIs)
5. Saeed Anwar (Matched Tendulkar head to head once upon a time)
6. Younus Khan (Very very poor ODI batsman, fast becoming a country great in tests)

Massive understatement there. Been a country great for almost a decade. Man's a borderline ATG who could cement that status based on how he does in NZ/Australia in coming months.
 
Aura, presence and other such intangibles are secondary to producing the goods when it matters and on that front, YK is in a class of his own as far as Pakistani batsmen are concerned. As a frame of reference, from India I'd say Inzamam is somewhere between Dravid and Laxman. YK is basically up there with Dravid and both Inzamam/YK are a notch above Yousuf.

Younis has a fair bit to go before catching up with Dravid especially if you're a guy who rates overseas performances more.
 
My rating of Pakistani batsman.

'Overall' -

1. Little Master (Technique + Grit)
2. Inzimam (ODI Great + Very Good Test batsman)
3. Mohd. Yousuf (Very Good in all formats)
4. Zaheer Abbas (Good batsman in Tests. Legendary in ODIs)
5. Saeed Anwar (Matched Tendulkar head to head once upon a time)
6. Younus Khan (Very very poor ODI batsman, fast becoming a country great in tests)

What? He is surely poor in ODI and that's why I won't ever rate him as an ATG batsman in this era, but he is becoming a country great in test? Come on, he has done enough already to be among the top 2-3 test batsman from Pakistan in the test format. Yep, he hasn't played and scored many tons outside Asia and you can count as flaw, but most Pakistani batsmen have flaws as well.

YK is already a Pakistani test great now. He is not in process of becoming one.
 
My rating of Pakistani batsman.

'Overall' -

1. Little Master (Technique + Grit)
2. Inzimam (ODI Great + Very Good Test batsman)
3. Mohd. Yousuf (Very Good in all formats)
4. Zaheer Abbas (Good batsman in Tests. Legendary in ODIs)
5. Saeed Anwar (Matched Tendulkar head to head once upon a time)
6. Younus Khan (Very very poor ODI batsman, fast becoming a country great in tests)

You're underrating him very much here. Younis is certainly a great and can cement his ATG status if he performs well in the NZ and Aus tour.
 
Younis has a fair bit to go before catching up with Dravid especially if you're a guy who rates overseas performances more.

I rate performances individually as opposed to using blanket terms like home or overseas. Away performance against Sri Lanka or WI mean a lot less than some of the knocks he played against England in the UAE in 2012 series which was played on bowling tracks(check the batting averages for both teams). YK's overseas record is top notch anyway, RSA notwithstanding, it's more an issue of volume since he hasn't played away from home as much as others have but when he has, he has produced the goods. YK, in my book, wins a lot of points for his performance in back to the wall situations where he's head and shoulders above anyone from Pakistan and on that front. The 67* in the fourth innings in RSA in 2007 or the double century at the Oval are truly special knocks and had he been from any other country, he'd be mentioned along the greats of the game based on his fourth innings performance alone.
 
I rate performances individually as opposed to using blanket terms like home or overseas. Away performance against Sri Lanka or WI mean a lot less than some of the knocks he played against England in the UAE in 2012 series which was played on bowling tracks(check the batting averages for both teams). YK's overseas record is top notch anyway, RSA notwithstanding, it's more an issue of volume since he hasn't played away from home as much as others have but when he has, he has produced the goods. YK, in my book, wins a lot of points for his performance in back to the wall situations where he's head and shoulders above anyone from Pakistan and on that front. The 67* in the fourth innings in RSA in 2007 or the double century at the Oval are truly special knocks and had he been from any other country, he'd be mentioned along the greats of the game based on his fourth innings performance alone.

Fair enough. I rate players against best sides of their era, ATG bowlers and overseas knocks.

Not sure how much he has performed against Australia, South Africa of 2000s or Sri Lanka with Murali. Feel he needs to be more consistent overseas. Plays a very good knock in one inning but puts in sub par performances in the other matches of the series. He has always been good in New Zealand, so I'm sure he will do well there. It is against raw pace (mainly because of his unorthodox technique) he has his struggles, will be interesting to see how he goes in Australia. The tracks have been flat over there, still their bowlers (Starc, Cummins, Hazelwood, Pattinson) are top notch imo when fully fit.
 
Fair enough. I rate players against best sides of their era, ATG bowlers and overseas knocks.

Not sure how much he has performed against Australia, South Africa of 2000s or Sri Lanka with Murali. Feel he needs to be more consistent overseas. Plays a very good knock in one inning but puts in sub par performances in the other matches of the series. He has always been good in New Zealand, so I'm sure he will do well there. It is against raw pace (mainly because of his unorthodox technique) he has his struggles, will be interesting to see how he goes in Australia. The tracks have been flat over there, still their bowlers (Starc, Cummins, Hazelwood, Pattinson) are top notch imo when fully fit.

Consistency isn't an issue so much as lack of overseas games is. He has played few matches abroad but apart from SA and WI, whenever he has played he has performed. In Australia, he has played only one three match series where he averaged 43 against McGrath, Warne and Gillespie in the early 2000s before Australian pitches became replicas of Faisalabad. Out of six innings, he scored under 40 in only two. In 9 matches in England, he averages 51 and in five or six matches in NZ he averages 65. His hundreds are also usually big ones and scoring them in ridiculous, almost hopeless situations is something no other batsman in the last 20 years does as well as him. He has only played 25 tests in the four traditional "green/bouncy pitch + good pacer" countries of England, NZ, Australia and RSA, and in those 25 tests he averages 46 with a 50+ average in two countries, 40+ in one and under 40 in only one with a fifty plus score every third innings so he has done well in the few opportunities he has had abroad. His impact on the result of the games is evident too by the fact that in the 6 games Pakistan won out of the aforementioned 25, YK averages 92.
 
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Very good batsman. Though I rate Saeed Anwar higher in ODI's & YK/Yousuf higher than him in Tests. If anything..he underperformed. Also note that his WC stats are quite poor.
 
Aura, presence and other such intangibles are secondary to producing the goods when it matters and on that front, YK is in a class of his own as far as Pakistani batsmen are concerned. As a frame of reference, from India I'd say Inzamam is somewhere between Dravid and Laxman. YK is basically up there with Dravid and both Inzamam/YK are a notch above Yousuf.

YK is couple of notches below Dravid as a batsman.YK simply doesnt have the volume of runs overseas.Like Dravid does.And Dravid still avgs some points ahead of YK in away avg outside Asia.I am not even bringing the ODI performances.

Inzamam is ahead of YK.First there is the ODI performances gap and then there is overall quality gap.Both havent done well in Aus and SA.so we will leave that.Inzamam did well againist the Walsh and Ambroses in WI while YK struggled in WI.Inzamam did as well as YK in India SL or NZ.And he did this with Murali Kumble etc in full flow.

YK did better than Inzy in Eng but than Inzy played in 90s.

And Moyo is close to YK because he has a poor away record in most places except WI NZ and ENG.
 
How some people rate YK or Moyo above Inzy in any form of the game is astonishing.
 
I don't dwell too much on past greats and performances. Yes Inzi was good, yes he won us plenty of matches but he could easily have been in the league of Sachin, Lara and Pointing had he focused more on his fitness and worked harder on his good given talent. Look at the amount of fifties he has and the amount of centuries he doesnt have, Inzi might have one of the worst conversion rates amongst elite batsmen. Goes to show that most times after getting a fifty he would think the job is done, or start taking it easy and lose his wicket. Also not to forget the run outs.


Always best to look forward rather than backward though.


Remember your car has a huge windshield to look ahead but only a tiny rearview mirror to look behind. <-- ok that was cheesy lol :srini
 
Yousuf is not better than Inzamam in any format, in clutch moments he often went missing and had a weakness against left arm spin.

I think peoples' memories are swayed by what he did in 2006.
 
YK is couple of notches below Dravid as a batsman.YK simply doesnt have the volume of runs overseas.Like Dravid does.And Dravid still avgs some points ahead of YK in away avg outside Asia.I am not even bringing the ODI performances.

Inzamam is ahead of YK.First there is the ODI performances gap and then there is overall quality gap.Both havent done well in Aus and SA.so we will leave that.Inzamam did well againist the Walsh and Ambroses in WI while YK struggled in WI.Inzamam did as well as YK in India SL or NZ.And he did this with Murali Kumble etc in full flow.

YK did better than Inzy in Eng but than Inzy played in 90s.

And Moyo is close to YK because he has a poor away record in most places except WI NZ and ENG.

Lol, there aren't even that many notches. There are essentially three tiers for batsman averaging 45+ in tests, four if you consider Bradman a tier unto his own. At the top you have the Tendulkars, Laras, Viv Richards of the world. Then there are the likes of Dravid, Sangakkara, YK etc. and finally you have the lowest tier for batsmen like Jayawardane, Laxman, Inzamam and Yousuf. The use of sheer volume of runs is a conflict in our methodology because in India, that is actually used as a measure of a player's caliber. In Pakistan, we use averages(Shahid Afridi is an exception because his averages don't support what people want to prove). YK would naturally have fewer runs than Dravid overseas since he has played 65 matches fewer than Dravid in England, Australia, NZ and SA(25 vs 90) but both average about the same (45.8 vs 46.5), score 50+ at the same rate(1 every 3.5 innings vs 1 every 3.4). Both have won about the same percentage of games (24% and 28.8%) but YK's 90 odd average clears Dravid's 59. All said and done, while Dravid may be marginally better, there's no way he's entire notches above YK. At best, he's situationally better by a slight margin.

There's a reason I didn't bring up ODI performances because if you read my posts in this thread from the beginning, it's clear I'm concerned specifically in tests. When you use the generic term 'batsman', I automatically jump to tests. In my book, a batsman is defined first and foremost by tests. ODIs are secondary. That said, Inzamam is undoubtedly a much better ODI batsman than YK but YK is an entire tier above him in tests(as opposed to Dravid and YK who are generally in the same tier in my book). I don't see where you get the notion that YK hasn't done well in Australia considering he's only played one series there which was against McGrath, Warne and Gillespie, and he ended that series with an average of 43 and four scores of 40+ in six innings. This series was played in 2004, before YK became the YK we know today(that transformation started a year later). Inzamam playing in England in the 90s is no different to YK playing RSA in the 2000s, well after they stopped their 90s policy of making placid tracks for Pakistan tours and Steyn+Philander+Morkel>Donald+Pollock. Besides, England's bowling attack in the 90s was so rubbish that they essentially took the pitch out of the equation. Refer to the 1996 tour of England to see how hard England was in the 90s and compare that with the 2016 tour.

Yousuf isn't even in the same league as YK so a comparison there is just pointless.
 
A great but an underachiever

Could have been an ATG given his talent

This!

I also think he could have achieved more success but didn't work hard enough on his game and physical fitness.
 
An extremely talented batsman, and a very good captain. One of the most iconic Pakistani cricketers ever.

Very average captain tactically speaking, but he led well in the sense that he performed with the bat. A very good batsman and one of the best subcontinental players of pace, but not quite in the league of contemporaries like Dravid, Ponting, Kallis, among others. I'd rate Younis higher by now.

Now why are we talking about him again?
 
Younis has a fair bit to go before catching up with Dravid especially if you're a guy who rates overseas performances more.

Indians just get to play more overseas, can't do much about that. The ODI business is really a red herring. YK is a rubbish ODI player we won't need to argue that. But why are we not talking about IT20s then? Did Dravid ever win an IT20 WC for India?
 
Indians just get to play more overseas, can't do much about that. The ODI business is really a red herring. YK is a rubbish ODI player we won't need to argue that. But why are we not talking about IT20s then? Did Dravid ever win an IT20 WC for India?

Was never talking about LOIs.

While getting to play more overseas is definitely a valid argument, playing overseas is always a test and you never get easy runs there. Anyway, I still rate Miandad as the best ever bat from Pakistan purely because of the bowlers he faced. You can call it a bias or anything else, but I always rate batsmen who performed better in 90s followed by 2000s and this decade the last of them all. It's due to a variety of reasons but to put it simply, 80s, 90s and also 2000s had legendary bowlers along with ATG teams. Whereas in this decade, there isn't an ATG bowler apart from Steyn while South Africa was the only ATG team which was present at the top for a significant period. Also wickets have become a bit flatter as well.

But above all that, my gripe with Younis is he doesn't dominate a series consistently. I mean, he plays a gem of a knock but switches off in the rest of the series. Also his record against strong teams is very good but not great as well. Australia, South Africa and England were the top 3 teams of the last decade. Australia especially was an ATG team and arguably the strongest team ever.

Averages of batsmen against those 3 sides in the last decade (min 600 runs) are:

MoYo 53.23
SRT 49.47
Laxman 47.65
Sehwag 45.74
Sanga 45.62
Dravid 45.06
Inzi 45.02
YK 40.60

Average of batsmen against those 3 sides "away from home" in the last decade (min 600 runs):

SRT 55.60
Laxman 53.57
Dravid 50.35
MoYo 46.03
YK 43.08
Sanga 41.44
Inzi 34.21

South Africa was the one truly ATG team of this decade but apart from them, not many teams have been great. Most other teams have been HTBs.

Averages of batsmen against South Africa (till 2014 assuming it as the end of their ATG team):

Clarke 80.25
SRT 77.00
Laxman 67.80
Misbah 52.09
Sehwag 48.22
Sanga 35.20
YK 35.00

He scored a very good century in South Africa along with Asad but again wasn't too impressive in the other innings. I think Younis is probably at par with Sangakarra atm, he can surpass him by good performances in NZ and Aus. He is an absolute beast in Asia and is one of the batsmen you can depend upon in 4th innings. But think his record against great teams isn't that great. I'm pretty sure he will perform in NZ, he has always been strong there. But will be interesting to see his performance in the tour of Australia as they are a very strong team at home even though they are very weak in Asia.

As far as Pak's batsmen are concerned, I think Miandad has to be probably their best ever. Inzi had a great talent but underachieved. Younis maybe isn't that gifted like his peers in technique, yet he has overcome many hurdles and is Pakistan's most mentally strong bat ever. Haven't watched much of MoYo honestly, but probably would have finished with a Sanga like career if not for his premature retirement. Younis is Pak's 2nd best test batsman ever imo behind Miandad.
 
Inzy was awesome, one of the top 3 best test pakistani batsmen produced

Clutch player for the most part I cant forget the no of times he won games
practically all on his own
 
Better than M Yousuf in every formats they played.

A great test cricketer and a very good odi cricketer.
 
The only cricketer that could eat anything he wanted and still perform, the new "boys" need to learn from him.
 
He was a real character too which you don't get many of in today's cricket. It wasn't just that he got run out so often, but that the run outs were so comical (my favourite being the one with Wasim in the 99 WC v Aus). After an LBW, he'd trudge slooooowly off the field.

But you could forgive all that because you knew could be counted on in clutch situations. He also aged like a fine wine. Despite his average overall record in Aus and SA, he averaged 52 in the 2004/05 VB series on his final tour of Australia and 40 in the Test series on his final tour of South Africa.

Some relish the role of captaincy and are emboldened by it whereas others shrink in the job. But the additional responsibility improved Inzamam as a player.
 
Good but struggled agains swing and bounce in places like England, SAF and Australia.

Beast in Asia and was Tendulkar-esque when playing in the subcontinent.

On top of that - was a great captain and leader IMO. Even better than Misbah tbh.
 
Inzamam in my books is the most talented batsman Pakistan ever produced , always had time to play pace.

Javed was different kind , he hated to loose , he would look ugly sometimes but still stood up there and fought on. No one can match him in that.

Inzamam underachieved a lot in OD , he should have batted at number 3.

He has 10 hundreds and 83 fifties !

He should have got at least 30 hundreds batting at number 3
 
A great batsman and very good captain. Would make the Pakistan all-time XI in both tests and ODIs.
 
Major respect to him with how he carried himself too. Didn't get caught up into any of the political nonsense that plagued the team after his retirement and no matter what anyone says, him forfeiting that test match because of gross allegations by the umpires showed how honorable Inzi was.

Good to see him as the chief selector.
 
Two batsmen in Pak cricket history could have performed even better considering the talent they possessed, Inzi and Saleem Malik.
 
Lol, there aren't even that many notches. There are essentially three tiers for batsman averaging 45+ in tests, four if you consider Bradman a tier unto his own. At the top you have the Tendulkars, Laras, Viv Richards of the world. Then there are the likes of Dravid, Sangakkara, YK etc. and finally you have the lowest tier for batsmen like Jayawardane, Laxman, Inzamam and Yousuf. The use of sheer volume of runs is a conflict in our methodology because in India, that is actually used as a measure of a player's caliber. In Pakistan, we use averages(Shahid Afridi is an exception because his averages don't support what people want to prove). YK would naturally have fewer runs than Dravid overseas since he has played 65 matches fewer than Dravid in England, Australia, NZ and SA(25 vs 90) but both average about the same (45.8 vs 46.5), score 50+ at the same rate(1 every 3.5 innings vs 1 every 3.4). Both have won about the same percentage of games (24% and 28.8%) but YK's 90 odd average clears Dravid's 59. All said and done, while Dravid may be marginally better, there's no way he's entire notches above YK. At best, he's situationally better by a slight margin.

There's a reason I didn't bring up ODI performances because if you read my posts in this thread from the beginning, it's clear I'm concerned specifically in tests. When you use the generic term 'batsman', I automatically jump to tests. In my book, a batsman is defined first and foremost by tests. ODIs are secondary. That said, Inzamam is undoubtedly a much better ODI batsman than YK but YK is an entire tier above him in tests(as opposed to Dravid and YK who are generally in the same tier in my book). I don't see where you get the notion that YK hasn't done well in Australia considering he's only played one series there which was against McGrath, Warne and Gillespie, and he ended that series with an average of 43 and four scores of 40+ in six innings. This series was played in 2004, before YK became the YK we know today(that transformation started a year later). Inzamam playing in England in the 90s is no different to YK playing RSA in the 2000s, well after they stopped their 90s policy of making placid tracks for Pakistan tours and Steyn+Philander+Morkel>Donald+Pollock. Besides, England's bowling attack in the 90s was so rubbish that they essentially took the pitch out of the equation. Refer to the 1996 tour of England to see how hard England was in the 90s and compare that with the 2016 tour.

Yousuf isn't even in the same league as YK so a comparison there is just pointless.

YK is nowhere near Sangakkara or Dravid he is a notch below Inzy let alone Dravid and Sangakkara.

YK avgs 42 outside Asia


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround


Dravid avgs 52.3


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

You are comfortably taking out WI because Dravid has done well there while YK has struggled.Not to forget Dravid played againist Walsh Ambrose and Bishop.

Can you post a link to that win percentage thing.

Pitches everywhere around the world in 90s were much more bowler friendly then they are now.So Inzy's performance in Eng in 90s is definately comparable to what YK has done in Eng in 2000s.And in 90s England had specific bowlers who would exploit the english conditions better than the tourists.

YK is a notch below Inzy and atleast a couple of notches below Dravid in the peking order.
 
More of a match winner than Tendulker, Inzi played well under oressure, during tough chases. Tendulker scored most of his ceturies in dead rubber games on dead tracks, one must take these things into account. To win games who would i want on my team, tendulker or inzi, most likely inzi. To score selfish centuries that hurt the team i would say tendulker
 
The first Test of the three-match series between Australia and Pakistan in 1994 makes for one of the most dramatic and thriller Test matches played between the two countries. For the major portion of the match, Australia were convinced that they will be registering their first win in Pakistan after 35 years. However, Inzamam-ul-Haq and Mushtaq Ahmed put up a fine show on the final day to steer their team to a one wicket-victory. The two veterans stitched a crucial 57 run-stand for the tenth wicket, the then highest last-wicket partnership to win a Test.

One of the greatest Tests between Australia and Pakistan saw Australia opting to bat first and posting 337 runs on the scoreboard. It was a flamboyant batting performance by the visitors as Michael Bevan hammered 82 runs while Steve Waugh returned with a sublime knock of 73 runs.

In response, Pakistan put up a good show but fell short of 41 runs. The team scored 256 runs on the back of an 85 run-knock by the opening batter, Saeed Anwar. Australia returned with 232 runs in their third innings as Pakistan were given a herculean task of chasing 314 runs in the final innings to record a victory.

The last innings saw a lot of action and drama as there was a constant shift of momentum between the two sides. The hosts got off to a good start as Anwar smashed 77 runs while Aamer Sohail also added 34 runs to the scoreboard. What followed after that was a collapse of the Pakistan batting unit.

Australia was asking some tough questions from the opposition and the hosts didn’t have an answer. The Saleem Malik side soon fell to 258 for nine and a historic victory for Australia after 35 years almost looked certain. However, Inzamam, who came to bat at eight, along with the eleventh batter Mushtaq scripted history on the 22-yeard pitch.

The duo helped Pakistan emerge from the dead by slamming 53 runs in just eight overs. In the end, the equation boiled down to Pakistan needing three runs while Australia wanted just one wicket. Shane Warne provided the wicketkeeper, Ian Healy, a brilliant chance to do stumping and bring another twist in the game. However, Healy missed the stumping chance, and the ball went for four byes. That was an end to the iconic match as Pakistan won the nail-biter by one wicket

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...-to-win-a-test-against-australia-4271324.html
 
If you want to know what Inzi was all about watch the entire test match he won against Bangladesh:. One of the best innings ever
 
Personally, a poor man's VVS in tests and as good as Yuvi on ODIs.
 
Champion ODI player during his time.

Slightly underachieved in Test. But, still, a very good record.

Overall, a really fine cricketer.
 
Personally, a poor man's VVS in tests and as good as Yuvi on ODIs.

? VVS has played some clutch knocks but, Inzimam was overall a far superior batsman and his record across the formats will prove that. VVS averages 45 vs Inzimam’s 50 which is a big difference. Laxman scored just 17 100s in 134 test matches. Inziman had 25 in 120. As a bonus not to forget Inzi’s record in ODIs where Laxman was really poor.

I am not sure how its even a comparison let alone saying poor man’s VVS.

I have observed that Indian fans tend to over rate Laxman as a player because of some really good knocks he has played. He was a fine batsman and was decent across the surfaces but, not in the league people try to present him to be in. Happy to debate based upon facts and numbers.
 
? VVS has played some clutch knocks but, Inzimam was overall a far superior batsman and his record across the formats will prove that. VVS averages 45 vs Inzimam’s 50 which is a big difference. Laxman scored just 17 100s in 134 test matches. Inziman had 25 in 120. As a bonus not to forget Inzi’s record in ODIs where Laxman was really poor.

I am not sure how its even a comparison let alone saying poor man’s VVS.

I have observed that Indian fans tend to over rate Laxman as a player because of some really good knocks he has played. He was a fine batsman and was decent across the surfaces but, not in the league people try to present him to be in. Happy to debate based upon facts and numbers.

Some clutch knocks? Lol

VVS has played far more clutch and iconic knocks. He has played against the toughest team of his time and bested them on most occasions. Choreographed wins in Australia and South Africa where Inzamam was a passenger all through his career.

Surprised that you are so hung up on numbers and averages where the difference isn't as large as you say - at all. VVS's 46 to Inzamam's 49.xx - a difference of 3.xx runs. The same difference you see between Ponting and Kallis but how many will choose the latter over Ponting?

VVS had lesser centuries because he batted mostly at number 5 and 6 and was almost always batting with the tail. But of course, he more than makes that up with his gritty, impactful runs against the toughest teams of his time.

Cannot rate Inzamam as anything but poor man's VVS given how much he sucked against the two of the best teams of his time.
 
Talent wise he was the best Pakistan has produced, lacked the grit and determination of Miandad.
 
Some clutch knocks? Lol

VVS has played far more clutch and iconic knocks. He has played against the toughest team of his time and bested them on most occasions. Choreographed wins in Australia and South Africa where Inzamam was a passenger all through his career.

Surprised that you are so hung up on numbers and averages where the difference isn't as large as you say - at all. VVS's 46 to Inzamam's 49.xx - a difference of 3.xx runs. The same difference you see between Ponting and Kallis but how many will choose the latter over Ponting?

VVS had lesser centuries because he batted mostly at number 5 and 6 and was almost always batting with the tail. But of course, he more than makes that up with his gritty, impactful runs against the toughest teams of his time.

Cannot rate Inzamam as anything but poor man's VVS given how much he sucked against the two of the best teams of his time.

Inzamam is overall better than Laxman , this is not even a debate.
 
Inzi was second best Pakistani batsman just below Miandad. 2 things that hurt his overall legacy. In test he played a lot of tests at no.5 , as teams best batsman he should have played in top 4. In ODI he was poor runner , it hurt his and teams chances.
 
Inzamam is overall better than Laxman , this is not even a debate.

If by overall you mean both tests and ODI, then yes.

But purely as a test bat, Inzamam comes up short because of how poor he was against pace bowling. Appalling record in AUS, SAf.
 
Some clutch knocks? Lol

VVS has played far more clutch and iconic knocks. He has played against the toughest team of his time and bested them on most occasions. Choreographed wins in Australia and South Africa where Inzamam was a passenger all through his career.

Surprised that you are so hung up on numbers and averages where the difference isn't as large as you say - at all. VVS's 46 to Inzamam's 49.xx - a difference of 3.xx runs. The same difference you see between Ponting and Kallis but how many will choose the latter over Ponting?

VVS had lesser centuries because he batted mostly at number 5 and 6 and was almost always batting with the tail. But of course, he more than makes that up with his gritty, impactful runs against the toughest teams of his time.

Cannot rate Inzamam as anything but poor man's VVS given how much he sucked against the two of the best teams of his time.

I reckon you are either about 20 years old where you haven't really seen Inzamam properly bat or if you have then you are seriously delusional.

Comparing Inzamam with Laxman is like comparing Kohli with Pant.
You are right though, numbers do not really tell a story and Inzamam isn't really in the league of Laxman. He is a few leagues above him. Inzamam during his era was arguably the best batsman in the world along with Lara and Tendulkar.

The world has seen plenty of players like Laxman, Gambhir, Hafeez etc etc
 
If by overall you mean both tests and ODI, then yes.

But purely as a test bat, Inzamam comes up short because of how poor he was against pace bowling. Appalling record in AUS, SAf.

This statement alone confirms that you have never seen him bat and you are just going by stats. He is among the finest batsmen of fast bowling. Used to make Ambrose look like a spinner. No other batsman had that much time when playing genuine pace. I have been watching cricket for close to 30 years now.
 
Some clutch knocks? Lol

VVS has played far more clutch and iconic knocks. He has played against the toughest team of his time and bested them on most occasions. Choreographed wins in Australia and South Africa where Inzamam was a passenger all through his career.

Surprised that you are so hung up on numbers and averages where the difference isn't as large as you say - at all. VVS's 46 to Inzamam's 49.xx - a difference of 3.xx runs. The same difference you see between Ponting and Kallis but how many will choose the latter over Ponting?

VVS had lesser centuries because he batted mostly at number 5 and 6 and was almost always batting with the tail. But of course, he more than makes that up with his gritty, impactful runs against the toughest teams of his time.

Cannot rate Inzamam as anything but poor man's VVS given how much he sucked against the two of the best teams of his time.

So for Inzi you went with rounding off to 49 (When his average was 49.61) but for Laxman’s 45.96 you took to to 46 to show the difference is 3 and how its insignificant when in reality any difference above 45 is pretty significant in debates.

To rest your debate of position impacting VVS’ number of centuries and this its not comparable

Inzi played 77 innings at 5 and 6 and scored 9 100s

VVS played 141 innings at 5 and 6 and scored 11 100s (Just 2 more in comparisons)

So Inzi even at no 5 and 6 was better at conversion and making 100s.

Also at the same time while defending VVS’ lack of centuries due to position you have completed ignored the fact that batting more at 5,6 he also had more opportunities to remain not out on more occasions which inflated his average a bit more.

Anyways its your opinion but, doubt many neutrals would agree on your statement which you have repeated a few times as well as your conclusion.
 
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I personally rate him as a very good batsman. A player who was the backbone of his team for quite a few years. His fitness was a major obstacle for him to perform even better. But over all, a very good batsman who did very well.

How highly would you posters rate him?

My biggest issue is with the people who highlight his run outs and give the impression as if he was a lazy runner!
No, never!
He was a pretty quick runner between the wickets. His issue was that, more often than not, he was a wrong judge of a single or a double.

Many at times, he couldn’t correctly calculate the timing of events to accurately assess the risk of taking a single or double. And hence tried to take a run which was never there.


Other than that, he was one of those batsmen whose presence on the crease alone, was dominant and intimidating enough, not only to keep the entire opposition worried but the commentators also could not focus on anything else but Inzi.

One of the greatest of all time who had a class of his own.
 
So for Inzi you went with rounding off to 49 (When his average was 49.61) but for Laxman’s 45.96 you took to to 46 to show the difference is 3 and how its insignificant when in reality any difference above 45 is pretty significant in debates.

To rest your debate of position impacting VVS’ number of centuries and this its not comparable

Inzi played 77 innings at 5 and 6 and scored 9 100s

VVS played 141 innings at 5 and 6 and scored 11 100s (Just 2 more in comparisons)

So Inzi even at no 5 and 6 was better at conversion and making 100s.

Also at the same time while defending VVS’ lack of centuries due to position you have completed ignored the fact that batting more at 5,6 he also had more opportunities to remain not out on more occasions which inflated his average a bit more.

Anyways its your opinion but, doubt many neutrals would agree on your statement which you have repeated a few times as well as your conclusion.

So do you have *any* evidence the so called neutrals rating Inzamam better?

VVS coming in at 5 and 6 isn't the same as Inzamam. Take a look at the batting above them, to compare and their output. Your silly and simplistic way of looking at bald averages and centuries isn't impressing anyone but your own countrymen.

Npbody cares that Inzamam stayed notout against freaking B'Desh in 2000s to force a win. Everyone cares that VVS stayed not out to force a win against the still might AUS. Just one amongst his many, many iconic knocks.

I just had another look. Inzamam has a freaking total of ONE century in 27 tests against AUS and SAf. Tells how absolutely poor he was against pace. Zero ability to play a substantial knock against two of the most competitive and dominant teams of his era.

So please, forgive me if I rate Inzamam as a poor man's VVS. And I am doing that only because they have more or less similar numbers. In terms of impact, VVS inhabited an entirely different galaxy compared to Inzamam.

Peace.
 
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Here's another reason why Inzamam averaged a measely 3.xx runs better than VVS.

VVS played 48 tests against the best two teams of his era - AUS and SAf - 36 percent of his total career number.

Inzamam played a mere 27 tests against the same two dominant teams - a mere 22 percent of his total career number.

Laxman played a total of 22 tests against SL, Zim, and B'Desh out of his 134 tests - this equals 16 percent of his total tests.

Inzamam played 37 tests against the same three teams above - this equals 31 percent of his total tests.


Are you guys really going to compare these two batsmen on averages and centuries after the stat above?

LMAO!
 
Inzamam was one of the best batsmen to come out of Pakistan. The way he fought through tough situations was very inspiring to watch. His lone battle against WI when they had awesome bowlers helped me realize how good a batsman Inzi was. I believe if Inzi was fit like Younis Khan, he would have scored much more runs in both tests and ODI’s.
 
Inzy was amazing to watch but any comparisons with Lara/Tendulkar are surely wrong. He was never in the class of them.

Also I'm laughing at the underrating of Laxman in this thread, both Inzy and Laxman were at a similar level when they were in prime although Laxman was a better test player, but Inzy was a much better ODI player.
 
So do you have *any* evidence the so called neutrals rating Inzamam better?

VVS coming in at 5 and 6 isn't the same as Inzamam. Take a look at the batting above them, to compare and their output. Your silly and simplistic way of looking at bald averages and centuries isn't impressing anyone but your own countrymen.

Npbody cares that Inzamam stayed notout against freaking B'Desh in 2000s to force a win. Everyone cares that VVS stayed not out to force a win against the still might AUS. Just one amongst his many, many iconic knocks.

I just had another look. Inzamam has a freaking total of ONE century in 27 tests against AUS and SAf. Tells how absolutely poor he was against pace. Zero ability to play a substantial knock against two of the most competitive and dominant teams of his era.

So please, forgive me if I rate Inzamam as a poor man's VVS. And I am doing that only because they have more or less similar numbers. In terms of impact, VVS inhabited an entirely different galaxy compared to Inzamam.

Peace.

VVS dominated Aus there is no doubt but, other than Aus he has 4 test centuries combined against SA, NZ, Eng and Pak. Based upon your own logic of only considering Aus and SA then VVS>Dravid as well because VVS had more centuries (Thats another matter he had mighty number of 6 just against Aus)

Anyways, discussions are always healthy and at the end everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Peace.

If you are interested in reading there is an archived thread of Inzi vs VVS (Better test batsman). http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/archive/index.php/t-139721.html
 
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A great batsman but didn't do much against Australia and South Africa in tests or ODIs.
 
Not an ATG with that average not touching 50. Inzi also smashed weak attacks on flat tracks in the 2000's. I believe he was averaging around 42 until 2000 or so.
 
Completely agree that VVS > Inzamam.
Inzy went missing too often against and in Aus and SA although to be fair he does outperform VVS against and in Eng & NZ.
 
Champion cricketer, leader of men, and a winner! Can be classified as a ATG if we are classifying the likes of VVS, and Dravid as ones.

Pakistani great, without any qualms.
 
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