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How is it legal for India to refuse to play Tests against Pakistan at any venue?

I don't know if it's illegal.. but as many Indian posters here have confirmed, the reason India doesn't play Pakistan is because in effect, they are boycotting them on political issues. Cricket fans world-over hate it, but many super nationalistic Indians are probably happy, which is why it's allowed to go on so long.

It's kind of like when some super nationalistic Pakistanis (small minority) won't watch Bollywood films and are in support of banning Indian films in Pakistan. Most of us love watching them though. If enough of these guys popped up then any type of Indian media would start becoming banned. But in my opinion, just because one group does not want to resume ties with you, it doesn't mean you have to reciprocate that. Peace has to start somewhere, so you should always extend your hand forwards (even if it's at the granular level of a Pakistani watching Bollywood, or an Indian wanting IndoPak cricket).
 
TalhaSyed said:
A decision which the current gov & BCCI officials have firmly stood by to the extent that the Anruag Thakur called Pakistan a terrorist state.

Yea the same 8th ranked ODI team that India lost to at home in a bilateral series :))

BCCI and GOI have already made a joke out of the whole incidents - us fans may as well play along.
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Why should the GOI change the decision?The situation hasnt changed. Anurag Thakur just reiterated what his govt said.

Was Pakistan ranked 8th in 2012?

Only people like you can think of protests related to Terror incidents as joke.
 
cricketjoshila said:
PCB head was nowhere near the BCCI office when ShivSena was protesting there. Watch Your own Najam Sethi's interview on that.Its on Youtube.They were in another part of Mumbai.The BCCI did write to Govt for permission but didnot receive the clearance.


The Govt itself have suspended ties,way back in 2008.It was briefly restored in 2012 and then again suspended.Why will the govt go againist its own decision.LOL.

Read about it sir.
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It doesnt matter, the Shiv Shena attacked the offices, whether or not Sethi was there, to stop the PCB and BCCI coming to a deal. Unlessy ou have found a different motive for their attack?.
 
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dildildalwalla said:
It doesnt matter, the Shiv Shena attacked the offices, whether or not Sethi was there, to stop the PCB and BCCI coming to a deal. Unlessy ou have found a different motive for their attack?
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Shiv sena has every right to protest in their own country. PCB and BCCI still agreed to a series but the govt didnot agree.

Indian govt is dictated by India's interests.Successive govt have realised that India's interest is in keeping the bilateral ties to minimum till political situation changes.You may not like it,but thats how it is.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Shiv sena has every right to protest in their own country. PCB and BCCI still agreed to a series but the govt didnot agree.

Indian govt is dictated by India's interests.Successive govt have realised that India's interest is in keeping the bilateral ties to minimum till political situation changes.You may not like it,but thats how it is.
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Shiv Sena has no right illegally entering a BCCI property and acting like thugs in the name of protests .
 
BeautifulGame said:
Shiv Sena has no right illegally entering a BCCI property and acting like thugs in the name of protests .
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They were allowed inside the BCCI office by Shashank Manohar.They were protesting outside the gates first.Then Manohar asked the gates to be opened and let in the protesters inside to meet him.Its all in the news of that time.Even Najam Sethi in his interview corroborated it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
They were allowed inside the BCCI office by Shashank Manohar.They were protesting outside the gates first.Then Manohar asked the gates to be opened and let in the protesters inside to meet him.Its all in the news of that time.Even Najam Sethi in his interview corroborated it.
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At around 10.30 am, with half-an-hour to go for the meeting, over 50 Sena activists stormed through the gates of Wankhede Stadium and barged into the BCCI cricket centre, shouting slogans and waving black and saffron flags.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/indian...anti-pak-slogans-ahead-of-meet-with-pcb/lite/

Stormed through the gates and barged into office .
 
It is highly unfortunate that politics has called shots here, but I am sure the fans and the players on both sides want to play each other. We should, always keep this flame burning. Eventually, I am sure, one day it will happen, just because there is so much passion for the game on both sides. May be we should invite few Shiv Sena Higherups, or go visit them, just to keep the dialog going. Time WILL heal the wounds for sure.
 
BeautifulGame said:
At around 10.30 am, with half-an-hour to go for the meeting, over 50 Sena activists stormed through the gates of Wankhede Stadium and barged into the BCCI cricket centre, shouting slogans and waving black and saffron flags.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/indian...anti-pak-slogans-ahead-of-meet-with-pcb/lite/

Stormed through the gates and barged into office .
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So? How does it refutes what joshilla said.Bro they were protesters. They are not gonna do moonwalk once gates were opened. Lmao. Like seriously.That's how shivsainiks enter even for celebrations into their own office.
 
Pollack said:
So? How does it refutes what joshilla said.Bro they were protesters. They are not gonna do moonwalk once gates were opened. Lmao. Like seriously.That's how shivsainiks enter even for celebrations into their own office.
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Barged entry means forcefully .

Please give me the media link where it says gates were opened on Manohar claims.
 
BeautifulGame said:
Barged entry means forcefully .

Please give me the media link where it says gates were opened on Manohar claims.
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Not necessarily. It may be used for just rough or rash entry. I am not claiming gates were opened. Joshilla claimed they were allowed. I just pointed out that how your assumption was wrong based on few lines from the article. Shivsena always is high on adrenaline. So barging and storming does not necessarily mean an attack. If that is the case then they attack their own offices on numerous ocassions :))
 
Zak_Fan said:
Pakistan wasn't 8th or 9th ranked then, nor was it a borderline minnow. Things have been different for a while now.
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Yet BCCI is still terrified at the thought of having to play Pakistan in a bilateral series :inzi

cricketjoshila said:
Why should the GOI change the decision?The situation hasnt changed. Anurag Thakur just reiterated what his govt said.

Was Pakistan ranked 8th in 2012?

Only people like you can think of protests related to Terror incidents as joke.
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Ah so do you agree with Anurag Thakur's and GOI's statement?

As various poster have pointed out - including Indian posters - only you could miss the hypocrisy in BCCI's stance.
 
TalhaSyed said:
A decision which the current gov & BCCI officials have firmly stood by to the extent that the Anruag Thakur called Pakistan a terrorist state.

Yea the same 8th ranked ODI team that India lost to at home in a bilateral series :))

BCCI and GOI have already made a joke out of the whole incidents - us fans may as well play along.
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Please [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] be fair.

Pakistan is only a terrorist state sometimes.

When 2 shiny points are flashed in front of their eyes, the GOI and the BCCI are willing to throw the prestige of the nation, their morals, and the feelings of the victims and their families in the gutter
 
Gotham Cronie said:
Please [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] be fair.

Pakistan is only a terrorist state sometimes.

When 2 shiny points are flashed in front of their eyes, the GOI and the BCCI are willing to throw the prestige of the nation, their morals, and the feelings of the victims and their families in the gutter
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Actually we afraid of playing Pakistan. period.
 
Series should happen if both sides are willing. Assuming even if India is forced to play would you guys enjoy it?
 
Gotham Cronie said:
Please [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] be fair.

Pakistan is only a terrorist state sometimes.

When 2 shiny points are flashed in front of their eyes, the GOI and the BCCI are willing to throw the prestige of the nation, their morals, and the feelings of the victims and their families in the gutter
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not just 2 points...allow BCCI to keep the revenues from the series (like 2013) and they'll play Pakistan in a heart beat. When it comes to money the feelings of victims and their families are thrown out of the window.
 
TalhaSyed said:
Yet BCCI is still terrified at the thought of having to play Pakistan in a bilateral series :inzi



Ah so do you agree with Anurag Thakur's and GOI's statement?

As various poster have pointed out - including Indian posters - only you could miss the hypocrisy in BCCI's stance.
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My agreement doesnt matter.The govt has its policy and thats what matters.

And just in case you missed,protests are to make sure the other party has some kind of a loss.Gifting two points to Pakistan is helping Pakistan not protesting.
 
cricketjoshila said:
And just in case you missed,protests are to make sure the other party has some kind of a loss.Gifting two points to Pakistan is helping Pakistan not protesting.
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Yes, who cares about the prestige of the nation, morals, and the feelings of the victims and their families. Throw it all in the gutter so Pakistan doesn't get those 2 shiny points

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Gotham Cronie said:
Yes, who cares about the prestige of the nation, morals, and the feelings of the victims and their families. Throw it all in the gutter so Pakistan doesn't get those 2 shiny points

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Why help Pakistan?Helping them will be good for prestige,moral and feelings of the victim's family.?

So much obssession with India.India doesnt want to play.Move on.But no,we will whine.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why help Pakistan?Helping them will be good for prestige,moral and feelings of the victim's family.?
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Neither does not playing Pakistan. It's all hypocrisy that lapdogs such as yourself eat up.


So much obssession with India.India doesnt want to play.Move on.But no,we will whine.
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Then why do you continue to come back to these discussions? LOL

If your stance is clear, then no need to come and explain to us. Move on.
 
Gotham Cronie said:
Please [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] be fair.

Pakistan is only a terrorist state sometimes.

When 2 shiny points are flashed in front of their eyes, the GOI and the BCCI are willing to throw the prestige of the nation, their morals, and the feelings of the victims and their families in the gutter
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:)) absolutely my point man

According to BCCI and GOI logic, they cannot play cricket against a terrorist state....unless a couple of points are on the line :P

Some people on here are too blinded to see this however :))
 
Gotham Cronie said:
Neither does not playing Pakistan. It's all hypocrisy that lapdogs such as yourself eat up.





Then why do you continue to come back to these discussions? LOL

If your stance is clear, then no need to come and explain to us. Move on.
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Why every few months start the same discussion?

IPL will start in a few weeks,we will have more threads. :)
 
TalhaSyed said:
:)) absolutely my point man

According to BCCI and GOI logic, they cannot play cricket against a terrorist state....unless a couple of points are on the line :P

Some people on here are too blinded to see this however :))
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Why help the "terrorist state" with two points?No Points are better.
 
TalhaSyed said:
Ah so you do agree with GOI's and BCCIs POV
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All this has nothing to do with cricket. It is only about money. GOI does not care about cricket. They want to deny PCB money. Right or wrong it is not for me to say.
 
Ironic how much brain washed the public seems to be. Terrorist govt. officials creating hate against Pakistan and instead of hating the bad elements , how can you hate a whole nation? Millions of people.


Shunning everyone from a country won't reduce hate or terrorism, drawing bridges will. We people are humans after all, not all that different. We all want good peaceful lives for us and our families.

So sad to see some posters licking up the propaganda rhetoric from GOI
 
The intelligent Supporter said:
Ironic how much brain washed the public seems to be. Terrorist govt. officials creating hate against Pakistan and instead of hating the bad elements , how can you hate a whole nation? Millions of people.


Shunning everyone from a country won't reduce hate or terrorism, drawing bridges will. We people are humans after all, not all that different. We all want good peaceful lives for us and our families.

So sad to see some posters licking up the propaganda rhetoric from GOI
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Its very easy to write Politically correct goody-goody rosy statements like you have done when disconnected with reality. However the harsh reality is this : In the previous decade it was India that took the initiative to resume cricket ties by agreeing to tour in 2003/4 when they could have simply carried on not playing Pakistan like they have for majority of the last 70 yrs. That tour was followed by a whole lot of cricket between the two countries until 2008 ... Iam not going to get into the details of the sad events but do you seriously expect India to pretend whatever you say is true ?
 
The intelligent Supporter said:
Ironic how much brain washed the public seems to be. Terrorist govt. officials creating hate against Pakistan and instead of hating the bad elements , how can you hate a whole nation? Millions of people.


Shunning everyone from a country won't reduce hate or terrorism, drawing bridges will. We people are humans after all, not all that different. We all want good peaceful lives for us and our families.

So sad to see some posters licking up the propaganda rhetoric from GOI
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What you say is correct but the feeling in India is that you are in minority. Majority of people hate India and that is how Indians feel. I am glad that bridges can be build in this forum but there is a long way to go.
 
Ph_11 said:
What you say is correct but the feeling in India is that you are in minority. Majority of people hate India and that is how Indians feel. I am glad that bridges can be build in this forum but there is a long way to go.
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That's a real shame. I still somehow hope and believe thats not true. I bet a lot of Indians actually dont think like that.

Also you claimed "majority of people hate india", you just pulled that statement out of thin air? Absolute no awareness of ground reality and you make such claims , not really help us both nations.

Ignorance is not patriotism
 
TalhaSyed said:
Ah so you do agree with GOI's and BCCIs POV
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I have said it a 100 times here.But let me repeat it.

If India plays Pakistan i will watch and enjoy as a cricket fan.If GOI doesnt allow it well i wont be too bothered either.
 
cricketjoshila said:
I have said it a 100 times here.But let me repeat it.

If India plays Pakistan i will watch and enjoy as a cricket fan.If GOI doesnt allow it well i wont be too bothered either.
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For someone who's not too bothered by it, you do seem very determined to argue GOI's/BCCI's POV
 
Tusker said:
Its very easy to write Politically correct goody-goody rosy statements like you have done when disconnected with reality. However the harsh reality is this : In the previous decade it was India that took the initiative to resume cricket ties by agreeing to tour in 2003/4 when they could have simply carried on not playing Pakistan like they have for majority of the last 70 yrs. That tour was followed by a whole lot of cricket between the two countries until 2008 ... Iam not going to get into the details of the sad events but do you seriously expect India to pretend whatever you say is true ?
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You dont have to pretend its true. Your common sense would tell you it is. Do you actually think people in ur countries, a lot of them who dont really know if they would be able to feed their kids a meal at night, are just thinking about hating India ( or Pakistan) all day? No, we forgot a lot how common we all are as humans.

Terrorism incidents are bad and they are hurting both countries but its neither the gov of Pakistan, nor the public who intend harm to India and innocents, its the very few messed up individuals and by generalizing you are helping their rhetoric.

Indian troops firing over the border has killed a lot of innocents over last few years and enrages us but I and a lot of people I know are aboslutely sure no ordinary Indians wake up and want Innocent Paksitanis killed. Have a little more faith humanity and see things from a distant perspective.

Coming to cricket, its almost balant how hypocritical and unfair Indias' stance is and the money of BCCI is letting it fly so far.

All sad events , as sad as they are . What does breaking ties and refusing to play a game does to help? This is a dangerous game, thinking India should not believe Pakistan and vice versa. There are billions of people in India and Millions in Pakistan, how childish is it to assume they all have the same mentality?
 
The intelligent Supporter said:
That's a real shame. I still somehow hope and believe thats not true. I bet a lot of Indians actually dont think like that.

Also you claimed "majority of people hate india", you just pulled that statement out of thin air? Absolute no awareness of ground reality and you make such claims , not really help us both nations.

Ignorance is not patriotism
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I hope you are right and I am wrong. Look at the TV shows and you can see a glimpse of what I am saying. Now I know so many people from Paksitan and they are the nicest people in the world. Makes you wonder with nice people like that how come there were 4 wars but the reality is that there were four wars. Let us not point fingers but that is how so many people in India feel.
 
TalhaSyed said:
For someone who's not too bothered by it, you do seem very determined to argue GOI's/BCCI's POV
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I am merely explaining the point of view as i live in the country from where it has emerged and the questions you asked have been done to death by journos and answered.
 
The intelligent Supporter said:
First point. Are you trolling right now? You cant be serious that you are basing your opinion about a country based on freaking "TV SHOWS". Those are made to seel sensationalism , obviously creating friction and having guests fight to prove they love Pak etc will result in a false impression.

Also the second point is just as ridicilous, so ordinary people decide and thier hate makes countries go to wars? Do you think Americans hated Japanese as govt. dropped two atomic bombs?

Finally, could you provide any evidence to your claim that "thats how many ppl in India feel?"
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Clearly I dont know what goes on ground but it is based on images. Those images are not plesant. If TV shows are for sensationalism seldom you see any dissent. Those are muted voices .

The younger generation in India unlike their parents is more assertive. They have seen that contact with Pakistan did not help so they try the alternative. In India the feeling is not playing is huge success and they really dont care.

As far as proof is concerned in democratic society Govt. is a reflection of the people. Fact that India picked the most conservative govt shows they want to take different approach .i.e not playing. This is the biggest proof.

There is light at the end of the tunnel. That is concerned people like you. When you become vocal trust me India will come more than half way to greet you.

Once again I am not deciding what is right or wrong.
 
The topic has been discussed to death, but quick summary:

1. Only India gets to decide who India plays, no one else. If govt. of India doesn't want the Indian cricket team to play Pakistan in a bilateral series, there is nothing anyone else can do about it.

2. Pakistan declined to tour India several times in the past. So Pak does not have moral high ground on this topic.

3. Pakistan did not send their hockey team to Moscow 1980 Olympics due to politics. Which means it doesn't get to lecture anyone on role of politics in sport. I believe Pak also doesn't have sporting relationship with Israel.

4. Pak administrators have threatened to sue BCCI several times in the past, but never actually do it. It means they know that if they went to court, they'll lose big time and will probably end up paying for libel / lawyer fees etc.

Hope this helps.
 
PCB lawsuit agaist BCCI

Is there any updates on this? Sounded like PCB was ready to go war. Haven't heard much SK. Was it just empty bluster?

I mean couldn't they atleast release the MOU?
 
This old men in PCB are totally insane. All they can do is to issue a threat. A bunch of clowns
 
They announced that they hired lawyers in London. The MOU was signed in 2014 April and now it 2017. 3 years and doesn't look like BCCI is going to tour anytime soon and relationship is so bad that no resolution seems likely.

What exactly is PCB waiting for?
 
Thread title gave me a false hope. Now that Cricketing rivalry is nonexistent, I was really looking forward to the court battle. #AaneyDo
 
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