How many 50s/100s do you expect from Babar Azam to tag him as a reliable player?

[fazleefridi]

Well mates, One of the finds of the year 2015 for Pakistan has been BABAR AZAM

He has done quite decently as of now.

Avg 43+ with str.rate of 90+

5 50's in 9 innings

Has played as an opener twice, no.4-6 times and no.6-once..so it shows he doesn't gives a lame reason of position

Out of 5 50's he has scored 2 vs NZ in NZ
2 vs ENG
1 vs ZIM

Out of 5 50's he has scored
3 while chasing
2 while batting first

But a big test is COMING SOON...

THE BIG STAGE IN ENGLAND

There is no shortage of practise...There are 5 LIST A games in ENGLAND during test series...I Think he will tour in that as he wont be in test squad.

Then we have 2 ODIS against IRELAND as well.so he will be having a good knowledge of the conditions before that 5 MATCH ODI SERIES AGAINST ENGLAND

But the question to be asked is will he be able to deliver

And coming to the point "HOW MANY 50'S/100'S DO YOU EXPECT FROM HIM IN 5 MATCHES TO TAG HIM AS PAKISTAN'S RELIABLE PLAYER?"

 

[fazleefridi]

I personally expect atleast 2 50's and 1 century in 5 matches

 

[Belawal2014]

2 50s, 1 30, 1 10, 1 duck.

 

[fazleefridi]

can any1 change the title as "FROM BABAR AZAM IN ENGLAND SERIES"..bcoz am unable to change it..

 

[fazleefridi]

Am asking this question for ENGLAND 5 MATCH SERIES

 

[Boycottisno2]

Babar Azam should be advised to play his shots on the ground == not to play any shots for a 6.....

 

[Syed1]

Don't get your hopes up too much. We have had youngsters who looked like they would blow the world away in their first 10-20 match but after that teams figure them out and then they are no where to be seen

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Be patient with him even if he fails in England. Hes the best LOI bat in the country

 

[Ankit007]

Babar Azam should be advised to play his shots on the ground == not to play any shots for a 6.....

It should depend on his batting style. He should bat like he is doing. Need not tinker his techniques

 

[Hasan123]

I hope he can get a century when he plays a few dots he seems to panic I was devastated when he got out in 3rd odi against New Zealand a hundred there could have done wonders for his confidence. Hopefully he can get one in this England series even if he fails we need to stick with him

 

[Anik Sharma]

1 100 at least.

 

[rhony]

Don't get your hopes up too much. We have had youngsters who looked like they would blow the world away in their first 10-20 match but after that teams figure them out and then they are no where to be seen

Not this one. He's got a way about him. The ease with which he faced pacers and spinners is something I haven't seen in Pak cricket for a long time

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

I am quite confident about his ODI career, but not so confident about his Test career. He can average above 40 in ODIs with a good S/R of above 80.

 

[CricFan2012]

I am quite confident about his ODI career, but not so confident about his Test career. He can average above 40 in ODIs with a good S/R of above 80.

45 and will be the first double centurion for Pakistan

 

[idrizzy]

Don't get your hopes up too much. We have had youngsters who looked like they would blow the world away in their first 10-20 match but after that teams figure them out and then they are no where to be seen

I'm curious to know what other youngsters you're talking about?

 

[idrizzy]

Not this one. He's got a way about him. The ease with which he faced pacers and spinners is something I haven't seen in Pak cricket for a long time

Agreed. His ability to score runs and tick the scoreboard is something so refreshing to see. Pakistan have a middle order batsman with a SR over 90 and average over 40. We have that player!!!! wowowowoowowowoowow

*and the crowd goes wild*

 

[fazleefridi]

As I said he's selected in A squad for Tri-series against England lions and SL A.

so IA he'll be playing 3 4day games, 5 List A games, 2 ODIS against IRELAND before playing ODIS against England

So there's no shortage of practise

Eagerly waiting to see his performance in list A and 4 day games in england

 

[Mamoon]

10 ODI hundreds and 10 Test hundreds.

That's the international standard. For Pakistan, you are already a top player if you score 3 fifties.

 

[Belawal2014]

10 ODI hundreds and 10 Test hundreds.

That's the international standard. For Pakistan, you are already a top player if you score 3 fifties.

or if you score an ATG 49 against SAF.

 

[Mamoon]

or if you score an ATG 49 against SAF.

True.

 

[Junaids]

I don't care about his output, just his technique.

If he can score 20s and 30s in Tests then I know that he has the technique to build upon.

The worry is with players like Nasir Jamshed and Mohammad Hafeez who don't survive long enough to reach double figures outside Asia.

 

[Hasan123]

I would go with 5 50s and 5 100s

 

[hussain.r97]

To be able to tag him as a reliable player, he needs to consistently start winning matches for Pakistan.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

As long as his average is maintained at 40+ after this series then he is reliable.

 

[fazleefridi]

I can split levels for a batsman as per my knowledge

1.Bad (E.g shahzad)
2.Decent (e.g Hafeez)
3.Good (e.g Babar)
4.Reliable (e.g Williamson)
5.Match winner (e.g kohli in 2015)
6.Run machine (e.g kohli in 2016)

So ri8 nw babar seems to be good player(limited matches though)..

So he has 3 ODI series (ENG,WI,AUS) till jan 2017...so lets see how he turns till then..if he even manages to stay as a GOOD player(avg 40+and str.rate 85+) then it will do a world if good for Pakistan cricket...but if he turns into another shahzad, akmal, jamshed...then I see no reason why we shouldn't play qualifiere to qualify for 2019 wc

 

[fazleefridi]

Babar did quite well I n the A series....

Scored some fifties and hundreds,which was really impressive. ..now lets wait and watch how he does in upcomin 7 ODIS in Ireland and England....

Eagerly waiting for him,nawaz and Saud to get selected in ODI squad

 

[Pete Rose]

I think in case of Pakistani "talunt" the question should always be honest:
"how many games should we allow him to troll us before we realize he is rubbish"
In umar Akmal's case I believe it was well over a 100 odi's.
Given than Babar is from the same gene pool: I should say he can troll us for two years, before we drop him.

 

[Hawkeye]

He's a reliable ODI player.

Too raw for Tests, doesn't have the defense OR temperament to score big. Yet. But can learn.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Number 4 is an easy number to play in Odis , I expected him to bat at top 3. Not too excited about him at number 4.

 

[fazleefridi]

He's a good player but not reliable as of now coz t sample size is way too small...

If he can manage avg 43+ with str rate of 85+in ODIS against Eng and Aus we can think about it...

But when haris comes there's no other way for him other than opening coz either hehas to open or bat at 6(as hafeez won't leav bfor 2019 wc and he also wont open)..so line up would be

1.Azhar(As he's captain,but I hope he's shown the door and sami/sharjeel/fakhar/imam to replace him)
2.Babar
3.Hafeez
4.Haris
5.Saud
6.Rizwan
7.Nawaz
8.Hasan
9.Wahab
10.Amir
11.Junaid/Irfan/Zia

Hafeez and Nawaz to bowl 10 overs

No.7,8,9,10 all can bat

 

[NauV]

One thing we absolutely need to instill in our players is that pretty looking 50s DO NOT win you matches!! Our batting has become so incompetent and inept over the years, that a batsman who can score 50s is considered "great"! This mindset needs to change . . the best batsmen in the world are making 100s . . The likes of Hashim Amla, Devilliers, Steven Smith, Warner, Khwaja, Williamson, Kohli, Rahane, Root, etc. etc.

What I don't get is . . if you're good enough to score a 50, you should be good enough to convert that to a 100! then it's not technical . . its mental/temperamental . . between your ears!

Hypothesis: Because of how bad ordinary our batting has become, a batsman who scores 40 50 is safe enough and considered our "best" batsman . . and hence they relax and don't make 100s

Babar Azam (very short career so maybe too early to judge) and Asad Shafiq are prime examples!
Another example was Harris sohail (while he was playing) . . he'd get 30s 40s every game!!

Bottomline: If you're good enough to score 40s 50s, you should be good enough to score 80s 100s . . You need to have the hunger, the desire and the absolute determination that 50s aren't enough!! and to be the best, you have to rack up those 100s!!

 

[fazleefridi]

So far so good...if not outstanding...

Lets see if he manages atleas 2 50's and atleas 1 100 in 5 odis against England...

Thers is no shortage of practice for him...

He has to make sure to score atleas a century against Ireland to gain match practice and confidence to score against England...coz last international match he played was in jan almost 7 months ago

 

[fazleefridi]

Good going so far...

1 50 in t20 and 2 consecutive 100's in 2

 

[BabarAkmal_Fan]

He has the temperament to score big in tests too. He has Umar Akmal talent without the big sixes, which is a blessing in disguise. He doesn't have the raw power of Umar, so he sticks to solid temperament and smart batting. When set, he starts hitting big.

 

[sivaji]

When he starts to produce consistently out of UAE, then you can

 

[fazleefridi]

He had the issue of throwing his wicket when he plays dots..

Seems to be, he has worked on it....

Still he has 2 more issues I reckon

1.Against Spin(especially SLA jus lik Umar)

2.He sometimes slashes his bat against pace without foot work.


And the sooner he is induced in tje Tests, the better.

Post these 2 centuries,he's made his case stronger I reckon

 

[sivaji]

Hope he doesnt become umar akmal

 

[Rayyman]

Should aim for 25+ hundreds and 75+ fifties in ODIs.

 

[Suleiman]

Well pakistan cricket is the ideal place to develop serious trust issues with the way guys like Jamshed, Umar, Amir started off before they deceived us.

Could still go the Jamshed way who was a well mannered lad pounding easy opposition for multiple 100's, technically gifted before it all went wrong. So, I'd give it more time, by that I mean the Aussie tour which will be his sternest test so far facing a potentially ATG guy like Starc.

Even if he walks out of that odi series with just a 50 and few forties, shows he is alright. If he scores a ton then it shows he truly belongs.

 

[Suleiman]

Also btw if anything he is showing his opening credentials as well. Twice now Azhar went basically at the start of the innings and both times Babar had to pretty much open.

 

[On_the_up]

Has a clear weakness in the 120's

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Has a clear weakness in the 120's

Lolololol, well played.

Tired of these 100s, he needs to convert his starts into double hundreds.

 

[Justcrazy]

Should aim for 25+ hundreds and 75+ fifties in ODIs.

Needs to convert those fifties into hundreds.

 

[msb314]

Well mates, One of the finds of the year 2015 for Pakistan has been BABAR AZAM

He has done quite decently as of now.

Avg 43+ with str.rate of 90+

5 50's in 9 innings

Has played as an opener twice, no.4-6 times and no.6-once..so it shows he doesn't gives a lame reason of position

Out of 5 50's he has scored 2 vs NZ in NZ
2 vs ENG
1 vs ZIM

Out of 5 50's he has scored
3 while chasing
2 while batting first

But a big test is COMING SOON...

THE BIG STAGE IN ENGLAND

There is no shortage of practise...There are 5 LIST A games in ENGLAND during test series...I Think he will tour in that as he wont be in test squad.

Then we have 2 ODIS against IRELAND as well.so he will be having a good knowledge of the conditions before that 5 MATCH ODI SERIES AGAINST ENGLAND

But the question to be asked is will he be able to deliver

And coming to the point "HOW MANY 50'S/100'S DO YOU EXPECT FROM HIM IN 5 MATCHES TO TAG HIM AS PAKISTAN'S RELIABLE PLAYER?"

With his talent - he is fully capable of getting 25 ODI centuries and 80+ half centuries. Possibly even more.

Hope he remains a mainstay of our middle order for the next 15 years to come.

 

[hur rizvi]

Long way to go. Needs to show consistency over a longer period.

We have seen such starts with Nasir Jamshed, Umar Akmal, Yasir Hameed etc.

 

[Hawkeye]

Reliability isn't judged on how many 50s or 100s you scored in 2 years.

It's about consistency, maintaining 45+ average against the top sides at least top 6 teams. And not bottling it down on most occasions.

Think he'll be fine.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Has a clear weakness in the 120's

Np. if he has any clear weakness at 120s.. he will avg 100 if scores 120 everyday lol..

 

[ask_analyse_act]

he needs to put his head down and keep performing like this for the next 4 years atleast till 2019 CWC then he will be the best might even get the captaincy post 2019 CWC.. the template is already created by kohli, williamson and root batting at no.3... he should focus on that and dont get carried away...strike rotation is the very important which he should compete with himself everyday will make him the best batsman..

 

[the Great Khan]

He looks like a compact player, who knows where his offstump is. I want to see him in the test arena and see how good his leave is. I hope he can adjust to Australia. I dont know how he will cope with the short ball so thats one thing to see. If he can hit a century in a test abroad and another couple of centuries over the winter I will begin to rate him ever higher.

 

[Yatoo]

A hundred every 7th match and a 50 every 3rd match will do it for me.

 

[fazleefridi]

MA...3 in 3..record of most runs in a 3 match series...

360 runs at an avg of 120.

 

[fazleefridi]

Looks like the backbone of our lois and.. Appeared to be comfortable for the longest format as well..

The biggest test is about to arrive...

Facing starc, hazelwood, cummins, Faulkner.

If he justifies his game in Australia.. I can be a bit comfortable about pak future.. Coz of him, Hari's, sarfi and sharjeel

 

[Bilal7]

A hundred every 7th match and a 50 every 3rd match will do it for me.

Same here. This is what most world-class players average. Babar is very young right now so anything more is simply unrealistic and unfair.

 

[fazleefridi]

In Australian tour.

I would expect at least 2 50's and 1 100 in 6 innings(3 tests)

1 100 and 2 50's in 5 odis

 

[fazleefridi]

Last time he didn't get any runs in England. Hope he does well at the CT

 

[Rayyman]

Babar is just a young batsman. This is his first tournament.
I will be fine with even one fifty-plus score.

 

[Saj]

Need 50s and 100s from him and others that win or save matches for Pakistan, as those are the ones that matter.

 

[Justcrazy]

Should aim for 25+ hundreds and 75+ fifties in ODIs.

He needs to convert at least 30 of those those 75 + fifties . He bats in top three , he needs to convert as many starts as possible.