How many Pakistanis/desi Muslims abroad eat halal and non-halal?

[LongHorn]

I have seen few people buying non-halal KFC chicken recite Bismillah and eat it by saying now it is halal and I was like wow how can any one make a fool of him self that easily :-D

Many people believe that falls under meat of "People of Book", so not quite Haram as pork

 

[MABA]

60 percent of Pakistanis I know around my age eat haram including me. Not really a religious person so I'm not affected. This halal only mindset is slowly dying in the west I believe because the kids that grow up here don't really want to go through the effort to find halal when they go out.

 

[dashing_man]

60 percent of Pakistanis I know around my age eat haram including me. Not really a religious person so I'm not affected. This halal only mindset is slowly dying in the west I believe because the kids that grow up here don't really want to go through the effort to find halal when they go out.

so you're blaming the parents for this

 

[hussain.r97]

Always eat Halal.

Here in NZ, most meat is Halal because of export to Arab countries. We have a lot of halal options where we can eat out. Even McDonalds is Halal, they just don't certify because their storage is non halal, and they serve pork too.

 

[Pace90]

so you're blaming the parents for this

IMO, its not a big deal to eat halal or non-halal, there are more important things one is supposed to do if wants to be a good muslim or a good person.

 

[dashing_man]

IMO, its not a big deal to eat halal or non-halal, there are more important things one is supposed to do if wants to be a good muslim or a good person.

this is the problem, its the little things that matters the most and majority oversee it as its nothing

 

[hussain.r97]

Fretting about halal haram chicken or beef is one of the more mundane things in our religion imo. Never understood why it's there. What's the reason?

The reason is that non Halal meat still has blood in it, and therefore is not 'clean'. Consuming blood is risky as it's more likely to make you sick.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Always eat Halal.

Here in NZ, most meat is Halal because of export to Arab countries. We have a lot of halal options where we can eat out. Even McDonalds is Halal, they just don't certify because their storage is non halal, and they serve pork too.

Wow I am very surprised to learn that. Maybe should shift to New Zealand.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Alhamdulillah I always consume Halal. Though I have lived in UK and prior to moving there I thought I might have an issue but always found Halal very easily.

 

[Slog]

The reason is that non Halal meat still has blood in it, and therefore is not 'clean'. Consuming blood is risky as it's more likely to make you sick.

Halal meat in Bakra eid also has blood sometimes

 

[StreetSmart]

Many people believe that falls under meat of "People of Book", so not quite Haram as pork

Yes you are right, It is not Haram, but it is Makrooh and have equal punishment for that

 

[WC-Passion]

Shocked to see people who eat haram and don't even try to eat halal.

 

[Suleiman]

Yes you are right, It is not Haram, but it is Makrooh and have equal punishment for that

Makrooh doesn't have punishment iirc. Makrooh is something not recommended but if you do it you don't lose anything. I think fish is makrooh, but people eat it, and nothing will happen to them.

Don't think eating non halal meat is deemed makrooh, haram probably, though not sure there. Allah knows best. You can eat kosher though.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If there's no halal eat vegetarian or fish but in some places in the UK there are more halal places than non-halal.

 

[hussain.r97]

Halal meat in Bakra eid also has blood sometimes

If there is a significant amount, then clearly there's something wrong.

 

[Thivagar]

Really surprised that some people call themselves Muslims even after eating non halal.

You are being too harsh, im sure they'll be forgiven. Besides many "halal" meatshops and restaurants just hang a sign that says "Halal".

 

[Thivagar]

But I thought Muslims weren't allowed to drink alcohol, eat pork, eat haram? Can somebody pull out a page or something

People decide whats Haram and what's not based on what suits them. There are no sinners, or saints, just hypocrites.

 

[ChachaCricket]

People decide whats Haram and what's not based on what suits them. There are no sinners, or saints, just hypocrites.

Eating haram is a big sin. There are no two ways about it but it doesn't take you out of Islam. As for forgiveness, if your intention is to eat haram again after asking for forgiveness then your Creator knows what's within the heart.

 

[MABA]

so you're blaming the parents for this

No not at all, like I said even I eat haram and its not due to my parents who adhere to a halal diet. I don't eat haram when with them. I am just saying that kids who grow up in the west with western friends don't really care that much about religion thus don't follow many aspects of it. Also I am basing this on my personal knowledge where majority of the Pakistanis I know aged 18-21 eat haram. Not the parents fault more to do with the times.

 

[Logical]

I guess in last 16 years i stopped caring. Even when I was a Muslim i found this particular haram/halal aspect rather silly.

However, for me it was difficult even being around people that were strict on halal/haram rule, maybe thats why i lack Muslim friends, they come with a lot of baggage imo.

For example when i went to Cuba with a Muslim friend, he was very strict on the halal food, and being in a resort there was no such service. So what he did was just eat veggies and toasts all this time, fair enough. However, whenever it came to fried stuff like eggs and fries, he would make the chef clean the frying pan and read all the ingredients on oil bottle. This would cause everyone in the line to wait longer.

Oh and he drank on that trip.

 

[hamzie]

For example when i went to Cuba with a Muslim friend, he was very strict on the halal food, and being in a resort there was no such service. So what he did was just eat veggies and toasts all this time, fair enough. However, whenever it came to fried stuff like eggs and fries, he would make the chef clean the frying pan and read all the ingredients on oil bottle. This would cause everyone in the line to wait longer.

Oh and he drank on that trip.

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i wonder what he would have done if they said they added things like red wine to the food

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I guess in last 16 years i stopped caring. Even when I was a Muslim i found this particular haram/halal aspect rather silly.

However, for me it was difficult even being around people that were strict on halal/haram rule, maybe thats why i lack Muslim friends, they come with a lot of baggage imo.

For example when i went to Cuba with a Muslim friend, he was very strict on the halal food, and being in a resort there was no such service. So what he did was just eat veggies and toasts all this time, fair enough. However, whenever it came to fried stuff like eggs and fries, he would make the chef clean the frying pan and read all the ingredients on oil bottle. This would cause everyone in the line to wait longer.

Oh and he drank on that trip.

Sounds like a cool guy.

 

[Major]

When i was living in Canada, only ate halal, although im not religious, but still i think one should follow the steps layed out, or else one is just muslim by name. no offense

If i never found halal, would eat french fries or go for fish, or other veggies

 

[Major]

You are being too harsh, im sure they'll be forgiven. Besides many "halal" meatshops and restaurants just hang a sign that says "Halal".

I have been to India, and what i liked about the Indians there was their honesty. Not everyone serves Halal there, and if someone was unsure, they would contact their supplier just to make sure

 

[Bullet Drive]

All halal.

I could never ever eat non-halal food. I find it disgusting.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

All Halal Alhamdulillah.

Have learnt about e-codes, ingredient lists, countries of origin, and other nitty gritties that are involved in making such choices. Initially accepting that a lot of chocolates, cookies, and candy would become Haram was difficult but I guess Allah gives strength too.

I know it is a matter of personal choice and everything but I believe if you are doing something, you should at least give your best shot at it.

Rest as they say - ALLAH knows better and may He show us the right path.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

For those who this is really a concern for, they will always find something halal to eat.

For those that easily push themselves towards haram food, they aren't looking that hard. Just my personal opinion.

 

[minamino]

I used to eat Halal only but since joining the uni, I have started eating non-halal chicken and beef. Bacon is still a big no

 

[ExpressPacer]

I'm trying to follow a plant-based diet anyway so if I have trouble finding Halal meat, I just choose vegetarian options.

And anyway, Hazrat Imam Ali Ibn Abi Talib, the cousin and son-in-law of Prophet Muhammad, the fourth Khalifa as per Sunni belief, has been quoted in Sharh Nahjul Balagha, as saying: “Do not make your stomach a graveyard of animals”.

 

[saeedhk]

Very particular with Halal and non-Halal. I always eat Halal food.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I used to eat Halal only but since joining the uni, I have started eating non-halal chicken and beef. Bacon is still a big no

Disappointed you have started eating beef to be honest. Shows a lack of empathy for the culture, even Pakistanis don't eat beef much, it's not sold much in the halal butchers.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Never had the need to eat haram, always an alternative available in the form of fish, pulses and vegetables.

 

[Kroll]

I only eat halal and go veggie if halal not available. I'm also careful with groceries / sweets making sure the ingredients don't contain things like beef/pork gelatine.

 

[Abdul]

Eat anything as long as it's not pork or bacon, not for religious reasons, but because I find both disgusting. I enjoy my life without caring about whether something is halal or not. Religion is a social construct.

 

[Pakistanian]

Disappointed you have started eating beef to be honest. Shows a lack of empathy for the culture, even Pakistanis don't eat beef much, it's not sold much in the halal butchers.

That may only be true in the UK cause of where the Pakistani community is from, I've noticed people from rural Punjab/Azad Kashmir prefer chicken over beef and some have never had beef, I know some British Pakistanis that have never even had nihari. Here in the US, beef is the preferred meat for Pakistanis. Beef biryani is significantly more popular than Chicken biryani over here. The first time I ever heard of "chicken keemah" was through a friend of mines who's family was from some place in Punjab otherwise keemah is almost exclusively made from beef.

 

[Pakistanian]

Grew up eating only zabihah halal meat but once I moved out for college I started eating non-zabiha chicken and beef but avoided pork as is common in the non-Desi Muslim community here. I've always intended to go back to zabiha halal however my current girlfriend is Arab and they eat non-zabiha so it's unlikely if things progress.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That may only be true in the UK cause of where the Pakistani community is from, I've noticed people from rural Punjab/Azad Kashmir prefer chicken over beef and some have never had beef, I know some British Pakistanis that have never even had nihari. Here in the US, beef is the preferred meat for Pakistanis. Beef biryani is significantly more popular than Chicken biryani over here. The first time I ever heard of "chicken keemah" was through a friend of mines who's family was from some place in Punjab otherwise keemah is almost exclusively made from beef.

Keema is usually lamb for British Pakistanis, not chicken.

 

[kk1992]

Grew up eating only zabihah halal meat but once I moved out for college I started eating non-zabiha chicken and beef but avoided pork as is common in the non-Desi Muslim community here. I've always intended to go back to zabiha halal however my current girlfriend is Arab and they eat non-zabiha so it's unlikely if things progress.

Brah, even shahtan is confused after reading this.

 

[Pakistanian]

Keema is usually lamb for British Pakistanis, not chicken.

That's so unusual lol.

 

[Tommo]

Always Halal or the vegetarian option (UK).

I'm really quiet disgusted and disappointed at the responses here. The state of Muslims in 2019 is an absolute joke- no wonder we are at rock bottom.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think British Pakistanis eat less beef than Indians. This minamino seems like a fraud to me, showing absolutely no empathy for our neigbourly brothes.

 

[Tommo]

I only eat halal and go veggie if halal not available. I'm also careful with groceries / sweets making sure the ingredients don't contain things like beef/pork gelatine.

Same! Good man!

 

[Tommo]

Eat anything as long as it's not pork or bacon, not for religious reasons, but because I find both disgusting. I enjoy my life without caring about whether something is halal or not. Religion is a social construct.

So you're not a Muslim. Cool.

 

[Pakistanian]

Always Halal or the vegetarian option (UK).

I'm really quiet disgusted and disappointed at the responses here. The state of Muslims in 2019 is an absolute joke- no wonder we are at rock bottom. Your parents are to blame, they didnt raise you properly- it's as simple as that.

UK Muslims are mostly Desi. You'd be shocked if you came to North America where are a large part of the Muslim community is Middle Eastern and African.

 

[Tommo]

No not at all, like I said even I eat haram and its not due to my parents who adhere to a halal diet. I don't eat haram when with them. I am just saying that kids who grow up in the west with western friends don't really care that much about religion thus don't follow many aspects of it. Also I am basing this on my personal knowledge where majority of the Pakistanis I know aged 18-21 eat haram. Not the parents fault more to do with the times.

So just out of intetest. why don't you care about what the Prophet taught us? You are coming across as rather proud of your actions- at least call a spade a spade and admit you are (at best) Muslim by name.

 

[Pakistanian]

So just out of intetest. why don't you care about what the Prophet taught us? You are coming across as rather proud of your actions- at least call a spade a spade and admit you are (at best) Muslim by name.

Guess Arabs and all other non-Desi muslims are just Muslim by name.

 

[Tommo]

UK Muslims are mostly Desi. You'd be shocked if you came to North America where are a large part of the Muslim community is Middle Eastern and African.

Desi or not. Eating haram food because you CBA looking for the halal food place that is likely located 2 minutes away, because it doesn't cook up a nice steak - is a joke. Those types of individuals may as well convert out of Islam and leave.

I am meant what I said - I'm really disappointed after visiting this thread- I genuinely had no idea our state of affairs were this bad.

 

[Tommo]

Guess Arabs and all other non-Desi muslims are just Muslim by name.

I think it's Muslims in general in this day and age. Tory voting buffoons.

 

[Pakistanian]

Desi or not. Eating haram food because you CBA looking for the halal food place that is likely located 2 minutes away, because it doesn't cook up a nice steak - is a joke. Those types of individuals may as well convert out of Islam and leave.

I am meant what I said - I'm really disappointed after visiting this thread- I genuinely had no idea our state of affairs were this bad.

Cause you live in the UK where there is a lack of diversity within the muslim community, you're exposed to one major school of thought/interpretation. I think you should visit America and tell middle eastern and african muslim brothers that eating non-zabiha is a sin and they're effectively Muslim in name only.

 

[Pakistanian]

I think it's Muslims in general in this day and age. Tory voting buffoons.

Nope, it's not a new thing. Middle Eastern and other non-Desi muslims have been eating zabiha in this country for ages. Step out the UK sometime.

 

[Abdul]

Always Halal or the vegetarian option (UK).

I'm really quiet disgusted and disappointed at the responses here. The state of Muslims in 2019 is an absolute joke- no wonder we are at rock bottom. Your parents are to blame, they didnt raise you properly- it's as simple as that.

My parents tried forcing religion upon me and I constantly got lectured on praying. That's the main reason why I turned away from it.

 

[Tommo]

Nope, it's not a new thing. Middle Eastern and other non-Desi muslims have been eating zabiha in this country for ages. Step out the UK sometime.

Why pay special attention to Arabs and 'other' Muslims outside of the UK? There's plenty of them here. Most of them have an acute drinking problem, can't stop munching on pork and refering to themselves as ex Muslims for a pat on the back from the local populace. I hold my hand up and acquiesce, i didn't think the British - Pakistani community was this far-gone.

 

[Tommo]

My parents tried forcing religion upon me and I constantly got lectured on praying. That's the main reason why I turned away from it.

Well in Islam everyone has a choice after puberty. In your case your parents failed you because they couldn't connect with you (it seems) -teach you the faith properly or rather in it's true spirit. Otherwise, you would be the first to point out, Islam is all about choices and those choices have either a reward or an acute consequence upon death. Perhaps you could revisit it all and start over, I appreciate we all have busy lives, but you owe it to yourself- as your afterlife depends on it. Anyways as I said I'm more disappointed than anything else, maybe I should better manage my expectations.

 

[Abdul]

Well in Islam everyone has a choice after puberty. In your case your parents failed you because they couldn't connect with you (it seems) -teach you the faith properly or rather in it's true spirit. Otherwise, you would be the first to point out, Islam is all about choices and those choices have either a reward or an acute consequence upon death. Perhaps you could revisit it all and start over, I appreciate we all have busy lives, but you owe it to yourself- as your afterlife depends on it. Anyways as I said I'm more disappointed than anything else, maybe I should better manage my expectations.

Yes, I do plan on doing my own research at some point in the future. Too invested in the uni life right now to make time for anything else.

 

[Pakistanian]

Why pay special attention to Arabs and 'other' Muslims outside of the UK? There's plenty of them here. Most of them have an acute drinking problem, can't stop munching on pork and refering to themselves as ex Muslims for a pat on the back from the local populace. I hold my hand up and acquiesce, i didn't think the British - Pakistani community was this far-gone.

Cause I'm an American Muslim. Most of the middle easterners and africans that eat non-zabiha aren't even the ones that drink, they're actually very practicing. You'll find many practicing Muslims in MSAs and Mosques that eat non-zabiha, they're far from ex muslims. Like I said, we should refrain from judging people and being dogmatic.

The British Pakistani community has bigger fish to fry, eating non-zabiha isn't one of them. This is probably why the Muslim communities in North America have done better cause we got our priorities right.

 

[IMMY69]

When I eat out I don’t specifically try and avoid Halal meat...
If it’s halal then I eat it

 

[Tommo]

In UK halal outlets r everywhere so no excuse for Muslim to eat haram


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[Boi]

Strictly HMC certified meat only.

 

[Tommo]

Cause I'm an American Muslim. Most of the middle easterners and africans that eat non-zabiha aren't even the ones that drink, they're actually very practicing. You'll find many practicing Muslims in MSAs and Mosques that eat non-zabiha, they're far from ex muslims. Like I said, we should refrain from judging people and being dogmatic.

The British Pakistani community has bigger fish to fry, eating non-zabiha isn't one of them. This is probably why the Muslim communities in North America have done better cause we got our priorities right.

Muslims in general have bigger fish to fry. Not just British- Muslims.

Ahh the dramtic irony, "we should refrain from judging people" wait you just said, we British Muslims as a collective have our priorities wrong. What do you know about me? and what I have achieved in life. Exactly nothing.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why pay special attention to Arabs and 'other' Muslims outside of the UK? There's plenty of them here. Most of them have an acute drinking problem, can't stop munching on pork and refering to themselves as ex Muslims for a pat on the back from the local populace. I hold my hand up and acquiesce, i didn't think the British - Pakistani community was this far-gone.

They aren't that far gone, but it's a decent size population and not everyone thinks the same. Like every other community you will get some who think differently. If you expect everyone to share your belief you are being somewhat unrealistic.

 

[Tommo]

They aren't that far gone, but it's a decent size population and not everyone thinks the same. Like every other community you will get some who think differently. If you expect everyone to share your belief you are being somewhat unrealistic.

As i've pointed out earlier, perhaps I should better manage my expectations. If people don't adhere to the faith, that's up to them but don't try to justify your actions. At least call a spade a spade is all saying. Simply retorting "I couldn't find a halal place" is an unacceptable response, if you refer to yourself as a Muslim.

Muslims don't respect their own faith and we are left bewildered when a large portion of non-muslims (often) make 'below the belt' comments is what I'm getting at.

 

[Pakistanian]

As i've pointed out earlier, perhaps I should better manage my expectations. If people don't adhere to the faith, that's up to them but don't try to justify your actions. At least call a spade a spade is all saying. Simply retorting "I couldn't find a halal place" is an unacceptable response, if you refer to yourself as a Muslim.

Muslims don't respect their own faith and we are left bewildered when a large portion of non-muslims (often) make 'below the belt' comments is what I'm getting at.

Respecting your own faith and forcing people to agree to your understanding of Islam are two vastly different things.

There's a lot of debate within Islamic scholarship about what's zabiha and what isn't, you can see the video below of two prominent Muslim scholars discussing this subject.

 

[ahmedzee]

60 percent of Pakistanis I know around my age eat haram including me. Not really a religious person so I'm not affected. This halal only mindset is slowly dying in the west I believe because the kids that grow up here don't really want to go through the effort to find halal when they go out.

Halal industry is picking up specially in gta with so many restaurants and franchises advertising halal now, including pizza pizza, kfc, etc. So the point that it is slowly dying is incorrect. Maybe it is dying in you.

 

[Pakistanian]

Halal industry is picking up specially in gta with so many restaurants and franchises advertising halal now, including pizza pizza, kfc, etc. So the point that it is slowly dying is incorrect. Maybe it is dying in you.

The Desi muslim community in America is being influenced by middle eastern muslims and in the future the community will be absorbed in the middle eastern muslim community so a lot of their practices will be common. I've heard the opposite is happening in the UK where Pakistanis have a lot more influence thus their practices are the norm and are being passed on to the other communities.

 

[Tommo]

Respecting your own faith and forcing people to agree to your understanding of Islam are two vastly different things.

There's a lot of debate within Islamic scholarship about what's zabiha and what isn't, you can see the video below of two prominent Muslim scholars discussing this subject.

Eat Halal. Stop pi551ng around with semantics.

 

[sweep_shot]

I eat 100% halal. No exception.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

HMC is such a big deal in UK, never mind halal..!

 

[sweep_shot]

If you are living in a major city like Toronto, New York, London etc., you have no excuse for not eating halal. These places have so many halal stores.

 

[topspin]

Desi or not. Eating haram food because you CBA looking for the halal food place that is likely located 2 minutes away, because it doesn't cook up a nice steak - is a joke. Those types of individuals may as well convert out of Islam and leave.

I am meant what I said - I'm really disappointed after visiting this thread- I genuinely had no idea our state of affairs were this bad.

It's people with your fanatic like mindset and judgemental approach to everything is actually puts younger Muslims away from following the Deen and leaving Islam.

Your extremist mentality is the reason why "our state of affairs" are this bad.

 

[topspin]

I don't always eat Halal, but always avoid Pork.

 

[DeadBall]

So you're not a Muslim. Cool.

So you're the judge of that now? Cool.

 

[Pakpak]

Always Halal or the vegetarian option (UK).

I'm really quiet disgusted and disappointed at the responses here. The state of Muslims in 2019 is an absolute joke- no wonder we are at rock bottom.

There are many things to blame for the state of Muslims than the meat they eat. Namely lack of education, healthcare, rampant crime, rampant corruption.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Halal or Veggie

That's it. (Often that has meant having fries from McDonald's as lunch )

 

[Kroll]

Halal or Veggie

That's it. (Often that has meant having fries from McDonald's as lunch )

There's always fillet-o-fish and I think most if not all Maccis do veggie burgers.

 

[Captain caveman]

No genuine halal meat in the uk!

WHAT? NO! Thats rubbish!

I'm afraid its true!
Unless you go to an islamic abertoir and have an animal slaughtered in front of you.
I saw this on bbc news a few years ago, when the guy in charge of slaugter of animals for human consumption( cant remember his name and job title) confirmed that over 97% of all animals slaughtered in the uk for human consumption are given electric shock to kill them.
Also think about it, most halal abetoirs only play a recording of the quranic sacrifice verses in the background while slitting the throat of an already dead animal!
Just thought i let you guys know.

 

[Badsha]

I eat so called "non halal" meat. Its great desis that fuss about this.

Btw have any one of you seen these "halal" plants? It's a joke.

 

[Captain caveman]

I have never done this, but just wondering why cant you just say bismillah before eating a non halal chicken, lamb or beef .
I know 1400 years ago, people use to kill their own animals for food and it makes sense to say a pray when you slaughter an animal, but now, in the west, who slaughters their own animal?
Surely, saying bismillah before eating it, should suffice?
Again, i have never done this, but i would appreciate a logical answer, other than it is tradition, or what it says in the holy quran.

 

[Varun]

This is like those Pepsi vs Coke arguments.

In a blind taste test, nobody would be able to tell the difference.

 

[Captain caveman]

This is like those Pepsi vs Coke arguments.

In a blind taste test, nobody would be able to tell the difference.

Of course not, being halal meat doesnt change the taste of the meat, though i believe non halal meat is better quality, as halal abetoirs go for cheaper older sheep and cows.

By the way, i can tell the difference between coke and pepsi every time, cant stand nasty pepsi!

 

[Kroll]

I saw this on bbc news a few years ago, when the guy in charge of slaugter of animals for human consumption( cant remember his name and job title) confirmed that over 97% of all animals slaughtered in the uk for human consumption are given electric shock to kill them.

This is actually stunning the animal before it is killed.