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How many wickets will Wahab Riaz take before he retires?

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Mir jibran

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He's already 30 and at best he can play for next 5/6 years.
Now he's a permanent member of Pakistan team and has 93 odi wickets in 67 matches and 43 wickets in 14 tests.
I think he will go on and take 200+ wickets in both formats at an average of 27-29
What do u guys think ? Can he take 200 wickets or more than that ?
Taking less than 200 wickets won't be justifying his talent
 
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Not many. He won't last more than three years I reckon. Also it is highly unlikely his average will drop below 30.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Not many. He won't last more than three years I reckon. Also it is highly unlikely his average will drop below 30.
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hes one of the fittest Pakistani players and can easily play next WC and he is at his best these days so easily can take 200+ wickets
his avg has come a long way from 36 to 30 in Odis
 
He can take 200+ in ODIs but might fall just short in tests. I don't care how many he takes, to be honest. The average and SR at which he takes them is so much more important.
 
His Test record will stay as shabby. In ODIs however, he may end up improving a little.
 
Mir jibran said:
he has recently got a decent run in tests and has performed good in subcontinent pitches
hasn't played any test outside subcontinent since his redemption
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Due to the pitches in UAE/Pakistan/Asia, he wont have many in the wickets column, and this would be where he plays 2/3 of his matches.

As for abroad, he will do well, but I dont see him as a prolific wicket taker in tests. Blows too hot and cold like Ishant.
 
450 wkts in all formats in Odis he will enjoy more success than tests or t20s.
 
Something around 150 in ODIs and 100 in Tests is a realistic expectation because he is a fast bowler in the modern era and most fast bowlers nowadays are done by age 33-34, so he has around 2-3 years left.
 
Sidilicious said:
Due to the pitches in UAE/Pakistan/Asia, he wont have many in the wickets column, and this would be where he plays 2/3 of his matches.

As for abroad, he will do well, but I dont see him as a prolific wicket taker in tests. Blows too hot and cold like Ishant.
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He is miles better than ishant
 
Haroon786 said:
Something around 150 in ODIs and 100 in Tests is a realistic expectation because he is a fast bowler in the modern era and most fast bowlers nowadays are done by age 33-34, so he has around 2-3 years left.
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if he plays for 4 years
2016 2017 2018 2019
and takes 25 Odi wickets per year that makes it 193
come on bro 200 wickets is an easy target
 
Mir jibran said:
if he plays for 4 years
2016 2017 2018 2019
and takes 25 Odi wickets per year that makes it 193
come on bro 200 wickets is an easy target
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The amount of stress that he puts on his body with his manner of bowling, do you really think that he will be able to every single ODI series ? In fact, the PCB would do well to pick and choose the series he should play.

Also, Wahab isn't a consistent bowler he has a good match where he takes 3-4 wickets and the next match he's expensive and doesn't take any wickets - too much of a scatter gun. What I predicted is a realistic expectation, optimistically of course he can get more.
 
Haroon786 said:
The amount of stress that he puts on his body with his manner of bowling, do you really think that he will be able to every single ODI series ? In fact, the PCB would do well to pick and choose the series he should play.

Also, Wahab isn't a consistent bowler he has a good match where he takes 3-4 wickets and the next match he's expensive and doesn't take any wickets - too much of a scatter gun. What I predicted is a realistic expectation, optimistically of course he can get more.
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First target for him is to reach that 100 wickets in new Zealand series
 
Mir jibran said:
hes one of the fittest Pakistani players and can easily play next WC and he is at his best these days so easily can take 200+ wickets
his avg has come a long way from 36 to 30 in Odis
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I was talking purely about tests. He may be a very good ODI bowler but he doesn't have the skill to be successful in test cricket IMO.
 
Unlikely to get 200 test wickets for 3 reasons:

1. He is not an accumulator of wickets but an impact bowler like Flintoff was. When he's at his best he can take a cluster but only when he's at the top of his game.

2. He's play over half of his games on lifeless wickets in the SC which lack pace

3. He's already 29/30 years of age, so unlikely to play for another 3 - 4 years max
 
sarfarazrules said:
Unlikely to get 200 test wickets for 3 reasons:

1. He is not an accumulator of wickets but an impact bowler like Flintoff was. When he's at his best he can take a cluster but only when he's at the top of his game.

2. He's play over half of his games on lifeless wickets in the SC which lack pace

3. He's already 29/30 years of age, so unlikely to play for another 3 - 4 years max
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don't u think with his type of fitness he can last for another 5 years
 
Mir jibran said:
don't u think with his type of fitness he can last for another 5 years
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I think Mitchell Johnson was extremely fit even more so than Wahab or even Steyn for that matter and yet retired by the time he was 34. So 3-4 years is actually pretty long for Wahab who is already 30
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I think Mitchell Johnson was extremely fit even more so than Wahab or even Steyn for that matter and yet retired by the time he was 34. So 3-4 years is actually pretty long for Wahab who is already 30
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likh ke lelo
he ll play till 2019 atleast
 
Mir jibran said:
yes u said even 3 years is long for him
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Actually I said he won't last more than three years in Tests. I didn't say that's long for him. Fitness should be good enough until then. Whether his performances will be good enough is another story.
 
Mir jibran said:
He is miles better than ishant
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since the WC, Wahab Riaz has played 2 tests vs Bang, 2 vs SL and 3 vs Eng (all in Asia). In 8 tests he has taken 20 wickets while giving away 730 runs at an average of 36.

Since the WC, Ishant has played 1 test vs Bang, 3 vs SL and 3 vs SA. In 7 tests he has taken 14 wickets and conceded about 440 runs at an average of 31.

All the pitches were unhelpful for the fast bowlers and opposition and venue were the same in 2 series. So very comparable.

So how is he miles better?
 
Wahab bowls lion hearted spells,but his overall average is ordinary.He is not consistent.
 
Mir jibran said:
ishant has played almost 70 test and has 200 wickets at an average of 36
come on mann :maqsood
and he has 106 wickets in 76 Odis
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Wahab Riaz averages 34 in tests and has taken 43 wickets in 15 tests. Again, by what criteria is Wahab miles better.

Wahab Riaz has 93 wickets in 67 ODIs at 30.5, and Ishant has 106 wickers in 76 ODIs at 31.25.

Again, by which measure is 'miles better'?
 
Mir jibran said:
ishant has played almost 70 test and has 200 wickets at an average of 36
come on mann :maqsood
and he has 106 wickets in 76 Odis
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I was talking about tests jibran. Lambu averages 31 last year against Riaz's 36. In the last 2 years, Lambu averages 32 something to Riaz's 34. Riaz hasn't taken a fifer since the one and only one he took 5 years back while Ishant has taken 4 in the last 2 years alone. So basically, Ishant has been improving while Riaz seems on a downward curve. Of course, still Wahab may prove his doubters wrong the next year but till then Lambu is on fyaaah:akhtar
 
Personally at best he will play for Pakistan for 3 years without injuries. I think as he gets older, his pace will deteriorate and his back could potentially give in. As for the wickets, I don't believe he will get 200+ at best probably 150. Wahab Riaz to me is a late bloomer in which he's been in and out of the team since 2007 and as of 2015 we have seen his potential something we should have seen when he was at a good young age of 25 rather than 30. He isn't technically a bowler who will get you 5 wickets in a ODI or 10 wickets in a Test. Consistentancy is something you don't associate with Wahab which is his main problem from my POV. But with this all being said, I am a fan of his due to the pace and bounce this man posses and his partnership with Mohammad Irfan in our ODI team
 
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Sidilicious said:
since the WC, Wahab Riaz has played 2 tests vs Bang, 2 vs SL and 3 vs Eng (all in Asia). In 8 tests he has taken 20 wickets while giving away 730 runs at an average of 36.

Since the WC, Ishant has played 1 test vs Bang, 3 vs SL and 3 vs SA. In 7 tests he has taken 14 wickets and conceded about 440 runs at an average of 31.

All the pitches were unhelpful for the fast bowlers and opposition and venue were the same in 2 series. So very comparable.

So how is he miles better?
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ishant has been a permanent member of team India
and this is wahabs first consistent run in the team
just wait n watch how he overtakes ishant
if I am not wrong both started in 2008 and ishant became a permanent member where as wahab got a permanent place in late 2014
 
street cricketer said:
I was talking about tests jibran. Lambu averages 31 last year against Riaz's 36. In the last 2 years, Lambu averages 32 something to Riaz's 34. Riaz hasn't taken a fifer since the one and only one he took 5 years back while Ishant has taken 4 in the last 2 years alone. So basically, Ishant has been improving while Riaz seems on a downward curve. Of course, still Wahab may prove his doubters wrong the next year but till then Lambu is on fyaaah:akhtar
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and how many matches ishant played in these last 5 years
Bhai wahab just cemented his place in late 2014 rather we should say from wc
 
TeymurBlake said:
Personally at best he will play for Pakistan for 3 years without injuries. I think as he gets older, his pace will deteriorate and his back could potentially give in. As for the wickets, I don't believe he will get 200+ at best probably 150. Wahab Riaz to me is a late bloomer in which he's been in and out of the team since 2007 and as of 2015 we have seen his potential something we should have seen when he was at a good young age of 25 rather than 30. He isn't technically a bowler who will get you 5 wickets in a ODI or 10 wickets in a Test. Consistentancy is something you don't associate with Wahab which is his main problem from my POV. But with this all being said, I am a fan of his due to the pace and bounce this man posses and his partnership with Mohammad Irfan in our ODI team
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and with amir coming back it ll be one of the best attacks
 
He has 3-4 years left in the tank max. He is mediocre and would remain so.
 
The problem with him is that sometimes he bowls really good but does not end up getting wickets.
 
Average and Strike Rate criteria doesn't apply to Wahab. Statistics are only useful when they suit your argument.

It is a bit difficult to prove that Wahab is a great bowler by looking at his statistics so that is why we bring intangibles to the table like x factor and impact.
 
Mamoon said:
Average and Strike Rate criteria doesn't apply to Wahab. Statistics are only useful when they suit your argument.

It is a bit difficult to prove that Wahab is a great bowler by looking at his statistics so that is why we bring intangibles to the table like x factor and impact.
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how many wkts he ll take
wat do u think ?
 
Mir jibran said:
how many wkts he ll take
wat do u think ?
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Around 200 in ODIs and 150 in Tests probably. It will be great if he overtakes Akhtar's tally in Tests, but his ODI tally is beyond him unless he plays deep into his 30's.
 
Mamoon said:
Around 200 in ODIs and 150 in Tests probably. It will be great if he overtakes Akhtar's tally in Tests, but his ODI tally is beyond him unless he plays deep into his 30's.
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actually our players have been robbed of from some runs and wickets due to our worst ftps and scheduling. We play 7-8 tests per year and if wahab plays for another 4-5 years he ll end up playing just 50 test matches that's totally not fair
 
Mir jibran said:
actually our players have been robbed of from some runs and wickets due to our worst ftps and scheduling. We play 7-8 tests per year and if wahab plays for another 4-5 years he ll end up playing just 50 test matches that's totally not fair
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Even 2 wickets per Test will mean he will get close to 150 wickets. If he can pick a few 5-fers here and there, he can overtake Akhtar's tally of 178 wickets.

Wahab definitely has a problem with taking wickets, quite often he bowls very well but remains empty-handed.
 
Love the guy, plays with a lot of heart and genuine passion. Unfortunately, I don't see him getting more than 150 wickets in Test and MAYBE will get to 200 wickets in ODI if he plays enough of them.

He's 30 years old, has been a pretty inconsistent player throughout his whole career. I only see him playing for another 3-4 years.

He is in the same category of players as Umar Gul. But he is better than Gul in Tests, and Gul is better than him in LOI (I think because he is faster than Gul and whereas Gul can (or a time could) bowl deathly yorkers, Riaz has a great short ball game).

Also with the string of bowlers we have now that are in a similar league (Gul, Rahat, Anwar Ali, Bilawal etc. etc.) his selection as well will be inconsistent over the next few years.
 
I can predict his average but not the number of wickets as not sure how long he ends up playing.

Not a lot I guess. He'll do very well to average 28-30 in ODIs. Will remain 30-34 average bowler in Tests.
 
Mamoon said:
Even 2 wickets per Test will mean he will get close to 150 wickets. If he can pick a few 5-fers here and there, he can overtake Akhtar's tally of 178 wickets.

Wahab definitely has a problem with taking wickets, quite often he bowls very well but remains empty-handed.
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we have to see how he does in England this summer
should take atleast 25 wkts in 4 tests
 
Mir jibran said:
ishant has been a permanent member of team India
and this is wahabs first consistent run in the team
just wait n watch how he overtakes ishant
if I am not wrong both started in 2008 and ishant became a permanent member where as wahab got a permanent place in late 2014
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So why didnt he become a permanent member in the team for the last 5 years since Amir and Asif have been banned. Thats because he never performed consistently. If he was that brilliant, why did he not perform better?

I am not saying he is not better than Ishant. Possibly is. That is an argument for another thread. But by no means he is 'miles' better than Ishant.

If anything, since last year, Ishant's performance in tests has been exemplary.
 
Sidilicious said:
So why didnt he become a permanent member in the team for the last 5 years since Amir and Asif have been banned. Thats because he never performed consistently. If he was that brilliant, why did he not perform better?

I am not saying he is not better than Ishant. Possibly is. That is an argument for another thread. But by no means he is 'miles' better than Ishant.

If anything, since last year, Ishant's performance in tests has been exemplary.
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He performed in 2011 and was dropped unfairly for a year returned in 2012 played that Asia cup game against India was dropped again returned in 2013 performed well in champions trophy and then an average series against wi coated him his place. It all started in 2011 when he was dropped without any reason that affected his performance
Just wait and watch by the end of 2016. Then we ll see who performed better ishant or wahab
 
If he is managed properly, Riaz can keep playing until he's 34-35. Should be rested for series against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and the upcoming T20 WC should be his last.
 
Bilal7 said:
If he is managed properly, Riaz can keep playing until he's 34-35. Should be rested for series against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and the upcoming T20 WC should be his last.
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most probably it is his last t20 wc
 
Mir jibran said:
most probably it is his last t20 wc
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Yeah, I don't see the point of 30+ players playing international T20s. If they like the format, there are plenty of domestic leagues out there to fulfill their hunger.
 
Bilal7 said:
Yeah, I don't see the point of 30+ players playing international T20s. If they like the format, there are plenty of domestic leagues out there to fulfill their hunger.
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yes better would be for him to retire after t20 WC and concentrate on Odi and t20
 
Mir jibran said:
pessimistic person
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He has been nothing special in tests and in ODIs he has been very inconsistent. Moreover, he is 30+, already past his prime years as a fast bowler. I see no reason to be overly optimistic about him.
 
Probably will become a T20 specialist in 2-3 years, he broke into the team when he was 25 and hasn't really improved much in tests. ODIs are a different story, hope younger bowlers of today are brought into the National team in their late teens/early 20s.
 
The hype surrounding this guy has reached peak levels by the end of 2015.

In 2013 he was underrated, but now the opposite is true. 1 spell in the world cup (after which we lost anyway lol) and the reverse swing scene in 1 session of a test vs England, which was one of the factors to our victory, I admit.

For us currently, he is a blessing considering our lacking pacers. He will be a spray gun, especially in t20s, but he will always have a brilliant spell inside of him to unleash when the rest of our attack looks down OR when our backs are against the wall which is what makes him special. So yeah, he's a decent pacer who looks great in the middle of a fiery spell and doesn't necessarily have the stats to suggest greatness, but let's take it easy on him, yeah?

But I do hope he stays in form till Australia at least. Where I'm even willing to play Irfan. Irfan-Wahab-Amir-Ehsan Adil, not a matchwinning line-up, but will be competitive or possibly even more, who knows.
 
I think I am the only one here who doesn't care how many wickets this guy ends up with.

I just want to see how many great spells he has in him - case in point

World Cup Semi vs. India
The Oval test that we won in the spot fixing series
World Cup Quarter Final vs. Australia
The UAE Test vs. England 2015

I know that statistics etc. matter as well but there are some moments which are beyond statistics. I mean another example, Danish Kaneria has 261 wickets to his name, hand on heart, how many of you knew that he had 261 test wickets.

:Kaneria
 
Suleiman said:
The hype surrounding this guy has reached peak levels by the end of 2015.

In 2013 he was underrated, but now the opposite is true. 1 spell in the world cup (after which we lost anyway lol) and the reverse swing scene in 1 session of a test vs England, which was one of the factors to our victory, I admit.

For us currently, he is a blessing considering our lacking pacers. He will be a spray gun, especially in t20s, but he will always have a brilliant spell inside of him to unleash when the rest of our attack looks down OR when our backs are against the wall which is what makes him special. So yeah, he's a decent pacer who looks great in the middle of a fiery spell and doesn't necessarily have the stats to suggest greatness, but let's take it easy on him, yeah?

But I do hope he stays in form till Australia at least. Where I'm even willing to play Irfan. Irfan-Wahab-Amir-Ehsan Adil, not a matchwinning line-up, but will be competitive or possibly even more, who knows.
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He took 16 wickets in the WC with 6 dropped catches. Was thriving in Aussie conditions because he's a hit the deck bowler and you get no value for that in UAE/Asia barring a few pitches.
 
Not many. Probably around 200 in odis and 150 in 40 odd test matches. He is not a wicket taker. So overrated.
 
Pakcricket89 said:
In tests he will at most take 150, In ODIs hemight close in on 200
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yes I too think the same in tests 200 is difficult but if in the coming eng/aus tests he takes buckets of wickets then I think hr can achieve that mark
 
Mir jibran said:
yes I too think the same in tests 200 is difficult but if in the coming eng/aus tests he takes buckets of wickets then I think hr can achieve that mark
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He isnt that kind of a bowler, even when he does well he doesnt take 5-fers and 10-fers
 
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