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On a scale of 1-10, I would say its a solid 7 just because this idea has failed to materialize so many times before.

In order to make it better there should have been two things:

1) a requirement for all teams to play each other and

2) a way to incorporate the 3 lower tier teams into the main league

But at least we have context and a real means for qualifying for World Cups.
 
On a scale of 1-10, I would say its a solid 7 just because this idea has failed to materialize so many times before.

In order to make it better there should have been two things:

1) a requirement for all teams to play each other and

2) a way to incorporate the 3 lower tier teams into the main league

But at least we have context and a real means for qualifying for World Cups.

League is fine as it is.

Incorporating minnows with big boys will kill the purpose of creating the league in the first place. Nobody got time to watch minnows getting hammered left right and center by big boys. Even BD are minnows as soon as they step foot outside Bangladesh.
 
On a scale of 1-10, I would say its a solid 7 just because this idea has failed to materialize so many times before.

In order to make it better there should have been two things:

1) a requirement for all teams to play each other and

2) a way to incorporate the 3 lower tier teams into the main league

But at least we have context and a real means for qualifying for World Cups.

No way the league would get up at all with both those insisted upon before starting. But both can be worked on later- the 3 lower teams need to get some test experience with 1 off matches & games vs each other for a few years. When the league expands or splits, then they can be included if they are up to it.

Best way to force an India Pakistan match is for you guys to finish 1 & 2 rankings!
I don't think all teams need to play each other each cycle- India Pakistanis a political issue, I'm not sure the ICC can fix it.

I do think it is fair that all teams play each other over 2 cycles though. Hopefully in 4-5 years the situation is different and a series can be agreed on.

I'm quite happy- it's a strong 8 to get started. In 5 years if it hasn't worked toward addressing the issues you raise, then I will be less satisfied. But for a start, this is great.
 
League is fine as it is.

Incorporating minnows with big boys will kill the purpose of creating the league in the first place. Nobody got time to watch minnows getting hammered left right and center by big boys. Even BD are minnows as soon as they step foot outside Bangladesh.

Everyone is a minnow when they step foot outside their own den. India, Pakistan, SL have won I think 5 Tests combined overseas in the past 5 years - all of them in England where even the Windies have won in recent times.
 
Everyone is a minnow when they step foot outside their own den. India, Pakistan, SL have won I think 5 Tests combined overseas in the past 5 years - all of them in England where even the Windies have won in recent times.

At least with India/Pakistan you can expect them to compete and might win odd test. Bangladesh will just fold like they did in SA.
 
Not perfect but significant progress for international cricket.
 
At least with India/Pakistan you can expect them to compete and might win odd test. Bangladesh will just fold like they did in SA.

India has won just 1 away Test in the last 6 years. Pakistan I think has just 2 in the last several years as well. If Bangladesh plays 30 away games they might 1 also, IMO.
 
7 is fair. Would've been a 10 if it was a genuine, Premier League style championship where every team was mandated to play each other home and away.

However given the political tensions between India and Pakistan and how congested the international schedule is what with all these T20 leagues springing up - its the next best thing.

At least everyone will play an equal number of series in a two year span, and hopefully they'll ensure a series win is worth the same number of points regardless of whether it was a three or five Test series.
 
India has won just 1 away Test in the last 6 years. Pakistan I think has just 2 in the last several years as well. If Bangladesh plays 30 away games they might 1 also, IMO.

How convinently you ignore WI( BD will even struggle to win a thing there). You also have to look at number of games India managed to draw and compete. You are deluded if you think BD is at same level as India/Pakistan.

Btw forget SA, remind me what happened when you guys toured India. The conditions were similar to BD and yet your boys got thumping. BD are still minnows in test arena
 
6/10

3 year all team opponent cycle would be best. For now its ok but not so good. I know that it's a huge step. Hope to be better in future.
 
How can someone be satisfied when India is on the top other than the disguised? :baelish
 
[MENTION=143290]Reddy[/MENTION] India should stop being bachay and just play. cricket league without indo-pak is dumb.
 
[MENTION=143290]Reddy[/MENTION] India should stop being bachay and just play. cricket league without indo-pak is dumb.

Pakistan should stop being bachhe and stop begging for the Indian tours, this league format works fine with no need of India and Pakistan playing each other. This league format also does not prevent India-Pakistan tours, so whenever the relations improve between both the countries, they can schedule a full series.
 
How convinently you ignore WI( BD will even struggle to win a thing there). You also have to look at number of games India managed to draw and compete. You are deluded if you think BD is at same level as India/Pakistan.

Btw forget SA, remind me what happened when you guys toured India. The conditions were similar to BD and yet your boys got thumping. BD are still minnows in test arena

Why Should WI be included? They have been a very mediocre side for 15+ years now.

BD is at the same level as Pakistan and SL and all are well behind India. But that dosnt change the fact that India still hasnt won more than 1 overseas Test in the past 5-6 years. So you can forget about competitiveness once the toss is done.

Things can change now that Kohli is an attacking and aggressive captain, but future tense is future tense.
 
Why Should WI be included? They have been a very mediocre side for 15+ years now.

BD is at the same level as Pakistan and SL and all are well behind India. But that dosnt change the fact that India still hasnt won more than 1 overseas Test in the past 5-6 years. So you can forget about competitiveness once the toss is done.

Things can change now that Kohli is an attacking and aggressive captain, but future tense is future tense.

Bangladesh is not on same level as Pakistan, this is where BD fans are so deluded. So, according to you Windies shouldnt be included because they are minnows, whereas you think Bd are not. Tell me what exactly have BD done outside of home to take them serious? Windies at least have beaten England in England and have also beaten Pakistan both home and away in test match. What exactly has BD done?

As far India only won one test match in last 5-6 years away from home in non asian conditions(excluding Windies) then its true, however they have competed well in some games that they could’ve won. This time around they will have better chances. Now tell me how did BD competed against second rate South African side?
 
Why Should WI be included? They have been a very mediocre side for 15+ years now.

BD is at the same level as Pakistan and SL and all are well behind India. But that dosnt change the fact that India still hasnt won more than 1 overseas Test in the past 5-6 years. So you can forget about competitiveness once the toss is done.

Things can change now that Kohli is an attacking and aggressive captain, but future tense is future tense.

BD is not at all in the same level as either Pakistan and SL. Notwithstanding the loss against SriLanka, Pakistan is a better team than SL. BD did win a test against SL and will probably win the home series against them. But on a neutral ground SL is certainly better than BD. Basically the worst SL team in a decade is a bit better than the current BD team which is their best ever.

That does not mean it will stay that way. Give BD a decade and if Pak continues to flounder, BD can become the second best team in the SC. But today they are well behind Pak and slightly behind SL.
 
BD is not at all in the same level as either Pakistan and SL. Notwithstanding the loss against SriLanka, Pakistan is a better team than SL. BD did win a test against SL and will probably win the home series against them. But on a neutral ground SL is certainly better than BD. Basically the worst SL team in a decade is a bit better than the current BD team which is their best ever.

That does not mean it will stay that way. Give BD a decade and if Pak continues to flounder, BD can become the second best team in the SC. But today they are well behind Pak and slightly behind SL.

Fair points, but Id like to point out the BD team of the past few weeks has been the most disorganized BD team in the past 3 or 4 years. Tamim, Shakib, Fizz, Mosaddek, all missing games and Mushfiq looks like he will miss a couple too.
 
Bangladesh is not on same level as Pakistan, this is where BD fans are so deluded. So, according to you Windies shouldnt be included because they are minnows, whereas you think Bd are not. Tell me what exactly have BD done outside of home to take them serious? Windies at least have beaten England in England and have also beaten Pakistan both home and away in test match. What exactly has BD done?

As far India only won one test match in last 5-6 years away from home in non asian conditions(excluding Windies) then its true, however they have competed well in some games that they could’ve won. This time around they will have better chances. Now tell me how did BD competed against second rate South African side?

If the Windies are significantly better than BD, they would have a significantly better WL ratio, especially at home. They have won 4 games in the past 2 years, and BD have won 3. But, the WI have lost double the games we have. They have won in England, and we have won in SL. I dont see a huge difference. Aussies lost recently in SL too, and they won a Test in India.

Bangladesh have played very few Tests overseas this decade. But also "competed well" in Wellington, and in Christchurch at least in patches. We even had a reasonable showing with the bat in the first SA test.

Here's an interesting stat. Bangladesh has as many overseas wins this decade as India had in the 1990s...a single win in Sri Lanka coincidentally. To be sure India drew a lot more, but they'd already been playing for 50+ years at that time.
 
If the Windies are significantly better than BD, they would have a significantly better WL ratio, especially at home. They have won 4 games in the past 2 years, and BD have won 3. But, the WI have lost double the games we have. They have won in England, and we have won in SL. I dont see a huge difference. Aussies lost recently in SL too, and they won a Test in India.

Bangladesh have played very few Tests overseas this decade. But also "competed well" in Wellington, and in Christchurch at least in patches. We even had a reasonable showing with the bat in the first SA test.

Here's an interesting stat. Bangladesh has as many overseas wins this decade as India had in the 1990s...a single win in Sri Lanka coincidentally. To be sure India drew a lot more, but they'd already been playing for 50+ years at that time.

I always rated India’s team in 90s as borderline minnows with some shady characters in a team leading by disgraceful captain. Except for Sachin and Kumble to an extent Srinath, most players were either average or HTB. Indian team changed in late 90s and early 2000s when we had Sehwag, Laxman, Ganguly, Dravid, Zak, Yuvi etc. creating a new era of an Indian cricket.
Now do you see yourself in coming years BD having their own version of Fab 5? If no, then comparison with India is flawed. And Btw in 90s despite all the problems( on and off the field) we had, we were still far more competitve at home than BD.

Windies are still slightly better than BD as they are forming a team around lot of new players and some seniors. You can’t really compared Windies home record with that of BD’s. If i recall correctly BD were saved by rain when we were thumping you guys in an single test match series in BD. BD have not played a proper test series(3 or more) against top Asian sides at home or even away. No one can blame BD for not getting away games, but you cant blame anyone else if you guys only schedule one or two test match series. Windies on the other hand have been scheduling a series of 3 or more test matches involving most teams. So its obvious their W/L ratio would be impacted by it. But like i said, they are marginally better which is why they are ahead of you guys in test rankings.

Now you need to ask yourself, would someone invite BD after the performance they have beenshowcasing so far on SA tour. You guys need to get strong both on and off the field like we did in late 90s and early 2000s and you’ll get more invites.
 
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5 for me

I'm still not sold on the ODI leagues, for me it will downgrade the value of the World Cup. ODI league would have worked if ODI cricket was started like this

Test Championship is what cricket needed for a long long time and since Test cricket don't have any World Cup then this championship league fits perfectly
 
5 for me

I'm still not sold on the ODI leagues, for me it will downgrade the value of the World Cup. ODI league would have worked if ODI cricket was started like this

Test Championship is what cricket needed for a long long time and since Test cricket don't have any World Cup then this championship league fits perfectly

The ODI League feeds into the World Cup though, league positions will determine World Cup qualification.
 
We need to add more teams to this league system. I'd rather see us play a Test match against Ireland than against Srilanka. Its good that ICC have not made mandatory to play all teams aka Pak.
 
Well it depends on what the league is. Thus far, there has been very little info on what it is and how it will work. All week now is that the top 9 test teams will be involved and will only have to play 6 other teams in a 2 year cycle. That is obviously a good way to help India in their tricky situation of not being able to play Pakistan...which is good in the sense the current Pakistan test side is rebuilding.

However, how will the points system work? What about the 3 missing test sides? How will the final be organised and where? How will points be affected by 5, 4 and 2 test series?

A lot of similar questions apply to the ODI side of things.

Honestly, the best way for an ODI league to work would be to simply create FIFA-esque qualifiers for the world cup, based on regions and groups.

There could be 3 basic regions - Asia, Oceania (Australia and NZ) and the rest (England, SA and WI)

Make it so that all the big teams are not in the same group and I'll give an example with Asia:

Three groups, Pakistan, India and SL in a group each. 3 teams per group. The ICC keeps claiming they want to extend cricket beyond traditional nations so this gives a chance to lesser teams to play qualifiers. Afghanistan, Hong K0ng, Bangladesh etc make up the rest of these groups.

Home and away matches, the top team from each group automatically enters the world cup. Teams that have been second in their groups play a second round of round robin qualifiers with the top team qualifying for the world cup. So 4 teams from the Asia region.
 
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