How successful are Muslims in India?

[offstump]

As Indian culture is being portrayed worldwide through film, television, politics etc, I’m genuinely curious to know how successful are regular muslims in India? Pretty much every indian television show on Netflix/amazon prime or movies have Hindu characters and muslims portrayed in a negative light.

Are there muslims working in senior leadership positions at indian tech firms? What about in government or law enforcement? Is there an upper-middle class Muslim population in India?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Indian muslims have to face issues due to religion as well as caste. The upper caste muslims dominate in whatever success they have, so it is wrong to see as success of muslims. The backward and lower caste muslims who are the majority are the worse off and their problems hidden under the blanket muslim identity. Syedism is same as brahmanism, but while brahmanism is attacked by the intelligentsia and has prominent movement against it, syedism hardly gets the limelight it deserves.

I have a friend who is a pasmanda muslim from bihar. always love to provoke him and laugh at his misery as he has the worst three identities possible in india, muslim, lower caste and bihari.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Muslims of India are underrepresented in pretty much every field. From parliament, to bureaucracy, armed forces, police, etc. The problem is worse in North India, as a lot of the middle and upper middle class went to Pakistan during partition. Muslims of India are openly trashed by politicians of BJP. Things are not good right now, at least for North Indian Muslims.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Indian muslims have to face issues due to religion as well as caste. The upper caste muslims dominate in whatever success they have, so it is wrong to see as success of muslims. The backward and lower caste muslims who are the majority are the worse off and their problems hidden under the blanket muslim identity. Syedism is same as brahmanism, but while brahmanism is attacked by the intelligentsia and has prominent movement against it, syedism hardly gets the limelight it deserves.

I have a friend who is a pasmanda muslim from bihar. always love to provoke him and laugh at his misery as he has the worst three identities possible in india, muslim, lower caste and bihari.

Muslims dont have castes. You are thinking of Baradari or Zaat.

I have never heard of Syedisim in my life. Could not get anything on google either. I think again you are talking about Baradari/Zaat.

At least in Pakistan, in urban areas your baradrai does not matter much anymore. People only care about socio economic status.

 

[pillionrider]

I have never heard of Syedisim in my life.

I have heard of it. Met a Syed at a friend's house and he was very proudly describing how exclusive he is. Don't remember the details as I wasn't paying attention.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Muslims of India are underrepresented in pretty much every field. From parliament, to bureaucracy, armed forces, police, etc. The problem is worse in North India, as a lot of the middle and upper middle class went to Pakistan during partition. Muslims of India are openly trashed by politicians of BJP. Things are not good right now, at least for North Indian Muslims.

Would have been good if all the upper caste muslims had gone to pakistan. Right now they are 15% of muslim population in india but control most resources. They claim superiority based on their foreign ancestry and dont have roti-beti ka rishta with rest of the muslims. They have been doing the same to muslims what BJP has done with hindus with some success, put them under the banner of religion, and make it their islamic duty for the backward muslims to vote for the syeds/mirzas/sheikhs/mughals/pathans. With BJP in power, the religious polarization has again made it difficult for the backward muslims to ask for their rights. These superior foreign ancestry muslims run their business behind the curtain of islam.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Muslims dont have castes. You are thinking of Baradari or Zaat.

I have never heard of Syedisim in my life. Could not get anything on google either. I think again you are talking about Baradari/Zaat.

At least in Pakistan, in urban areas your baradrai does not matter much anymore. People only care about socio economic status.

I am talking of caste. Indian muslims have caste.

Syedism is the muslim equivalent of brahmanism and is half of the problem (which no one talks about), the other half being religious polarization (which everyone talks about)

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Would have been good if all the upper caste muslims had gone to pakistan. Right now they are 15% of muslim population in india but control most resources. They claim superiority based on their foreign ancestry and dont have roti-beti ka rishta with rest of the muslims. They have been doing the same to muslims what BJP has done with hindus with some success, put them under the banner of religion, and make it their islamic duty for the backward muslims to vote for the syeds/mirzas/sheikhs/mughals/pathans. With BJP in power, the religious polarization has again made it difficult for the backward muslims to ask for their rights. These superior foreign ancestry muslims run their business behind the curtain of islam.

Do you realize those "upper caste" Muslims who you are thinking of include Muslims who were descendant from Brahmins and Kshatriyas.


Second its impossible to prove in 2020 who is descendant from the people who came from other countries and who were the locals who converted and changed there surnames. And more importantly those Muslims who did come from foreign countries intermarried with locals, so they are no more different than the other Muslims.

In Pakistan PML N is dominated by Kashmiri Muslims, most of whom are descendant from Brahmins. Bhutto family is Rajput. Also Pakistan Army has a ton of Rajputs. So this "foreign" domination thing, does not make sense.

 

[Bigboii]

Muslims dont have castes. You are thinking of Baradari or Zaat.

I have never heard of Syedisim in my life. Could not get anything on google either. I think again you are talking about Baradari/Zaat.

At least in Pakistan, in urban areas your baradrai does not matter much anymore. People only care about socio economic status.

Tbh with you I have read about this Syedism phenomenon in a book it was a pretty good book and detailed too he is not totally wrong and plus my maternal side is Syed and there is a fairly strong superiority complex and people do respect tham in the neighborhoods and stuff but it's definitely not like a upper caste thing far from it (atleast in Pakistan) sure they're respected in a religious or spiritual sense but as far as power is concerned I don't think they have power sure they have respect but no power

 

[CricketCartoons]

Do you realize those "upper caste" Muslims who you are thinking of include Muslims who were descendant from Brahmins and Kshatriyas.


Second its impossible to prove in 2020 who is descendant from the people who came from other countries and who were the locals who converted and changed there surnames. And more importantly those Muslims who did come from foreign countries intermarried with locals, so they are no more different than the other Muslims.

In Pakistan PML N is dominated by Kashmiri Muslims, most of whom are descendant from Brahmins. Bhutto family is Rajput. Also Pakistan Army has a ton of Rajputs. So this "foreign" domination thing, does not make sense.

I include the upper caste hindu converts too. When they qubool-ed Islam, they did with lips not with heart, and carried over their hindu caste, gave it a name of biradari as if it is a tribe and all tribes are equal.

anyway, you can continue with whatever you believe, not interested in pakistani muslims.

 

[CricketCartoons]

speech by the "SIR" sayyid ahmad khan in lucknow against govt positions given through examinations, when he wanted it to be given by nobility of birth.

Think for a moment what would be the result if all appointments were given by competitive examination. Over all races, not only over Mahomedans but over Rajas of high position and the brave Rajputs who have not forgotten the swords of their ancestors, would be placed as ruler a Bengali who at sight of a table knife would crawl under his chair. (Uproarious cheers and laughter.) There would remain no part of the country in which we should see at the tables of justice and authority any face except those of Bengalis. I am delighted to see the Bengalis making progress, but the question is — What would be the result on the administration of the country? Do you think that the Rajput and the fiery Pathan, who are not afraid of being hanged or of encountering the swords of the police or the bayonets of the army, could remain in peace under the Bengalis? (Cheers.) This would be the outcome of the proposal if accepted. Therefore if any of you — men of good position, Raïses, men of the middle classes, men of noble family to whom God has given sentiments of honour — if you accept that the country should groan under the yoke of Bengali rule and its people lick the Bengali shoes, then, in the name of God! jump into the train, sit down, and be [[12]] off to Madras,/6/ be off to Madras! (Loud cheers and laughter.) But if you think that the prosperity and honour of the country would be ruined, then, brothers, sit in your houses, inform Government of your circumstances, and bring your wants to its notice in a calm and courteous manner.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_sir_sayyid_lucknow_1887.html

 

[CricketCartoons]

Look at the members of the all india muslim personal law board and see their castes. 15% and they dominate all the positions.

 

[Bigboii]

I am talking of caste. Indian muslims have caste.

Syedism is the muslim equivalent of brahmanism and is half of the problem (which no one talks about), the other half being religious polarization (which everyone talks about)

You're right but it's not as rigid a system as something in Hinduism is

Because from what I know people are mostly into cousin marriages but if you aren't into that (they are still arrange marriages) you or the family head can make you marry anyone most people dont care about caste tbh cause only barrier is keep it in the family but if you are not following that rule because of health reasons than Syed, Gujjar, Kokhar, Awan it doesn't matter you can go freestyle

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I am talking of caste. Indian muslims have caste.

Syedism is the muslim equivalent of brahmanism and is half of the problem (which no one talks about), the other half being religious polarization (which everyone talks about)

They might call it caste in English, but in Urdu they call it Baradari/Zaat. My family is Urdu Speaking, as in they came from UP to Pakistan during partition, and they had called it Zaat. However at least the ones who came to Karachi have intermarried over the generations, and no one cares anymore about that anymore.

Its more of a socio economic issue than a caste one facing Muslims. Muslims will socialize with people of the same socio economic standing. Here is an article on some Mughal descendants living in poverty.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...um-washes-street-struggles-feed-children.html

Do you think they are enjoying any privilege? Do you think they will get invited to high tea with some upper middle class Muslim family? If they weren't able to prove descent from the Mughal family, most people would call them liars because of there skin color, and say they are deluded in thinking they are descent from the Mughals.


Second like i mentioned a lot of those people with the "foreign" surnames would have just changed there surnames. Its impossible to prove in 2020 who is descendant from the people who came from other countries and who were the locals who converted and changed there surnames. You cant go by skin color, or socio economic status, or even surname.

Anyway there is a huge difference in the Hindu Caste System and the Muslim Baradari/Zaat. Hindu caste system decides on the occupation one does in perpetuity. There is no required occupations based on your zaat. Not to mention restrictions on going to the Mandir, while there is no restriction on going to mosques based on zaat.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

speech by the "SIR" sayyid ahmad khan in lucknow against govt positions given through examinations, when he wanted it to be given by nobility of birth.



http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_sir_sayyid_lucknow_1887.html

Are there no Bengali Rajputs and Pathans? Whatever percentage of UP Muslims are descendant from Pathans and Rajputs a similar number of Bengali Muslims would be as well.

It seems more of UP Muslim vs Bengali Muslim thing. The UP Muslims were trying to shove there language Urdu down the throat of the rest of the Muslims of India, and a good way to do was by making the largest Muslim group, the Bengali Muslims, feel inferior.

 

[CricketCartoons]

They might call it caste in English, but in Urdu they call it Baradari/Zaat. My family is Urdu Speaking, as in they came from UP to Pakistan during partition, and they had called it Zaat. However at least the ones who came to Karachi have intermarried over the generations, and no one cares anymore about that anymore.

Its more of a socio economic issue than a caste one facing Muslims. Muslims will socialize with people of the same socio economic standing. Here is an article on some Mughal descendants living in poverty.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...um-washes-street-struggles-feed-children.html

Do you think they are enjoying any privilege? Do you think they will get invited to high tea with some upper middle class Muslim family? If they weren't able to prove descent from the Mughal family, most people would call them liars because of there skin color, and say they are deluded in thinking they are descent from the Mughals.


Second like i mentioned a lot of those people with the "foreign" surnames would have just changed there surnames. Its impossible to prove in 2020 who is descendant from the people who came from other countries and who were the locals who converted and changed there surnames. You cant go by skin color, or socio economic status, or even surname.

Anyway there is a huge difference in the Hindu Caste System and the Muslim Baradari/Zaat. Hindu caste system decides on the occupation one does in perpetuity. There is no required occupations based on your zaat. Not to mention restrictions on going to the Mandir, while there is no restriction on going to mosques based on zaat.

Quoting you to say that i didn't read your post, as you have said you have no idea about casteism in indian muslims.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Quoting you to say that i didn't read your post, as you have said you have no idea about casteism in indian muslims.

As my family came from UP, i might have more knowledge than you about Indian Muslims, at least from that part of India.

 

[MenInG]

After a man belonging to the minority community was arrested on July 14 for allegedly teasing a girl in Joshimath, as part of a familiar pattern mobs were allowed to go on the rampage and ransack a large number of shops and vends owned by people from the minority community.

There has been a spurt in such mob violence since 2017, when a BJP Government was formed in the state. Any alleged crime committed by any member of the miniscule minority community— be it a murder or an affair—has been provocation enough for indiscriminate violence with police as onlookers.

The communal virus has spread throughout the state. BJP MLA Mahendra Bhatt from Badrinath had advised people in a facebook post not to buy vegetables from ‘Najibabad’ but buy vegetables from farmers of Uttarakhand only.

People should patronise only those barber shops which has parts of the ‘Hanuman Chalisa’ scrolled outside. A majority of the barber shops in the state even in Garhwal and Kumoan hills are owned by Muslims from Western Uttar Pradesh.

Uttarakhand has a population of just over 10 millions and Muslims number less than 1.4 million in the state. But the rising incidence of attacks on Muslim establishments and the inaction of the police in booking the culprits have forced the minority population to live in perpetual fear.

Even rumours spread on social media and fake news have led to mob violence. And while the police did register cases against unknown people, nobody was either booked or prosecuted.

Muslim shops and homes from Rishikesh to Haridwar had been attacked following a murder at Raiwala. Seven Muslim youth were arrested for allegedly teasing girls in Chamba and a bandh call shut down the bazaar there. Muslim shops in Kirtinagar were vandalized after reports claimed that two Muslim boys from Kirtinagar were seen in Dehradun with Hindu women. Both the boys were sent to jail.

Muslim shops again bore the brunt of vandalism in Satpuli town following an allegedly provocative facebook post by someone. The town again witnessed mob violence after a Muslim was accused of having unnatural sex with a cow. Kashmiri traders were given an ultimatum and asked to leave Mussorie following alleged pro-Pakistan slogan at a cricket match. The local administration found the allegation to be unfounded and the issue was sorted out.

Mob violence had again erupted in Ghansali town following reports that a Hindu girl had eloped with a Muslim boy and the couple were found in a hotel. All Muslims were asked to leave the town. Based on a baseles rumour of the rape of a minor girl, shops belonging to Muslims were set on fire in Agastyamuni town of Rudraprayag. The situation was brought under control only after the District magistrate intervened and declared that there was no basis to the rumour.

Police and the Minority Commissions at the Centre and in the state have not been able to remove distrust and misgivings between communities. Nor have they been able to take confidence building measures to instil some sense of security in the demoralized minority community.

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/muslims-in-uttarakhand-forced-to-live-on-a-razors-edge

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Tbh with you I have read about this Syedism phenomenon in a book it was a pretty good book and detailed too he is not totally wrong and plus my maternal side is Syed and there is a fairly strong superiority complex and people do respect tham in the neighborhoods and stuff but it's definitely not like a upper caste thing far from it (atleast in Pakistan) sure they're respected in a religious or spiritual sense but as far as power is concerned I don't think they have power sure they have respect but no power

How much importance do people give to that today, over lets say money, ethnicity, money, skin color, money, sect, etc?

 

[CricketCartoons]

As my family came from UP, i might have more knowledge than you about Indian Muslims, at least from that part of India.

Read this as it is a single sentence. I guess your family which came from UP either claimed foreign ancestry or upper caste hindu lineage. That would explain your ignorance. If they come from the backward castes, then i would be interested what knowledge they passed on to you, and will read your post.

 

[Bigboii]

Read this as it is a single sentence. I guess your family which came from UP either claimed foreign ancestry or upper caste hindu lineage. That would explain your ignorance. If they come from the backward castes, then i would be interested what knowledge they passed on to you, and will read your post.

Dude I don't even know what is upper caste and lower caste among Muslims it's just bradaris here in Pak (and culturally indian and Pak Muslims are very much connected)

 

[BreadPakoda]

As Indian culture is being portrayed worldwide through film, television, politics etc, I’m genuinely curious to know how successful are regular muslims in India? Pretty much every indian television show on Netflix/amazon prime or movies have Hindu characters and muslims portrayed in a negative light.

Are there muslims working in senior leadership positions at indian tech firms? What about in government or law enforcement? Is there an upper-middle class Muslim population in India?

I’ve heard Hindus complaining that OTTs show them and their Gods in a bad light. Christians complain that their girls are shown as promiscuous. Sikhs say that they are always shown as the ones lacking a brain. You say Muslims are portrayed negatively. Is there any religion left?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Dude I don't even know what is upper caste and lower caste among Muslims it's just bradaris here in Pak (and culturally indian and Pak Muslims are very much connected)

Because you don't know about casteism among muslims in Pakistan and because Pakistani muslims have same culture as Indian muslims, there is no caste system in indian muslims. I agree with your well made point.

 

[gani999]

I grew up in an Indian City, Hyderabad, in which Muslims account for almost 25% of the population. There is plenty of representation of Muslims everywhere in Telangana. The Old City of Hyderabad is dominated by them, politically and economically. There are plenty of successful muslim businesses in the place. Mumbai, the financial capital of India also has a sizable number of muslim owned businesses , mainly by the Dawoodi Bohra community. They are one of India's richest communities, right alongside Hindu Marwaris and Sindhis. Tamil Nadu, where my family is from, is also home to a very successful tamil-speaking muslim community. The leather and tannery business in eastern Tamil Nadu is pretty much controlled by them. Kerala, Karnataka, Maharashtra and Gujarat are also home to sizeable muslim-owned businesses.
There is more to India than its toilets, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. Even Hindus in these places don't have it great.

This is not to say that Muslims in India don't have problems. They are under represented in the armed forces and the security apparatus, but so are many other Hindu communities. Every community living in India, other than the super rich, has its share of problems. Muslims are no different.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Muslims of India are underrepresented in pretty much every field. From parliament, to bureaucracy, armed forces, police, etc. The problem is worse in North India, as a lot of the middle and upper middle class went to Pakistan during partition. Muslims of India are openly trashed by politicians of BJP. Things are not good right now, at least for North Indian Muslims.

Well when we have some third class individuals who laugh at their friend's misery for being a muslim, lower caste and bihari in India then politicians are nothing in front of them. I mean these are the same people who are involved in mob lynching, beating dalits, demolishing mosques and then chanting 'Jai Sri Ram' in the end.

 

[Rajdeep]

Muslims of India are underrepresented in pretty much every field. From parliament, to bureaucracy, armed forces, police, etc. The problem is worse in North India, as a lot of the middle and upper middle class went to Pakistan during partition. Muslims of India are openly trashed by politicians of BJP. Things are not good right now, at least for North Indian Muslims.

There are 40+ political parties that represents India in Lok Sabha (lower house of parliament). Most of them represent either liberal, communist or majoritarian political view. Only 2 parties are named based on religion and exclusive to people of one faith:

1) All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (AIMIM).

2) Indian Union Muslim League (IUML).

And still you think muslims are not represented in Indian parliament?

80% of Indians are hindus...so its obvious hindu representation will be more in every field.

How many hindus/sikhs represent in Pakistan parliament?

I didnt wanted to get myself involve into another 'muslims are victim' in India thread but this victim card of less representation in parliament cracked me up.

Congress dont rule in India anymore and people in India are much more aware of what the reality is. Victim cards are things of past.

 

[Giannis]

Not much at all, Muslims are the poorest and most loathed community in India. They're also barely represented in the Indian army in spite of them having such a large population, you can tell that there are serious trust issues between India and its Muslim citizens.

 

[smkk]

Because you don't know about casteism among muslims in Pakistan and because Pakistani muslims have same culture as Indian muslims, there is no caste system in indian muslims. I agree with your well made point.

I had always found CricketCartoons to be one of the most insightful and knowledgeable writers on this site. Especially I personally consider his trolling capability to be on the epic label, the one whom he trolls do not even realize that he had been trolled by CricketCartoons. No to mention that he is one of my most favourite posters and I always get to learn so much from his insight.

But this time, I think you got either some misunderstanding or wrong understanding, bro. Because it is not possible, that such a caste system can exist only in the Muslim community of India, and not in other sub-continent countries. Both in Pakistan and Bangladesh, there is no caste problem in the Muslim community at least. Syeds and Sheikhs are given very limited respect due to their ancestry from the Prophet. But they never receive any kind of benefits or special consideration in any fields- whether economically or religiously. I am not saying that both countries ensure fair treatment among all and corruption and nepotism do not exist, but it depends on how deep and powerful connection you got instead of what your surname is.

Considering Indian Muslim shares so many commonalities like history, social activities, languages, cultures etc with other 2 nations' majority populations, how can they be ingrained with castism when other Muslim communities lack it. Especially when Islam itself, takes so many steps to ensure that the caste system does not get introduce among the Muslims. Like everyone must pray behind one imam in a row regardless of your status. No matter what section of the community you have come from everyone must stand side by side during prayers. The imam can not be selected based on his family and status in the society but only by his mastery and knowledge of the Quran. Islamic education is available to every part of the society and everyone is given equal access to the teaching of Islam regardless of where you came from.

I think what you got is the socio-economic condition in this issue. The Muslim differentiate among themselves not based on upper-caste and lower-caste but based on how much prosperity and status one has in the society. One who is from well to do family or community will have a superiority complex over other Muslims in the society. This is not a caste problem but a class problem.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

There are 40+ political parties that represents India in Lok Sabha (lower house of parliament). Most of them represent either liberal, communist or majoritarian political view. Only 2 parties are named based on religion and exclusive to people of one faith:

1) All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen (AIMIM).

2) Indian Union Muslim League (IUML).

And still you think muslims are not represented in Indian parliament?

80% of Indians are hindus...so its obvious hindu representation will be more in every field.

How many hindus/sikhs represent in Pakistan parliament?

I didnt wanted to get myself involve into another 'muslims are victim' in India thread but this victim card of less representation in parliament cracked me up.

Congress dont rule in India anymore and people in India are much more aware of what the reality is. Victim cards are things of past.

Indian Muslims are 14.2% of the population per the 2011 Indian Census. There are 27 Indian Muslims in the Lok Sabha, which has 543 seats. This is around 5%, so therefore they are underrepresented.

There are 7 Pakistani Hindus part of the Parliament right now which has 342 seats. So thats about 2 % which is in line with their population. And if it was up to me i would increase the quota, so that the minority groups are over represented.

 

[Rajdeep]

Indian Muslims are 14.2% of the population per the 2011 Indian Census. There are 27 Indian Muslims in the Lok Sabha, which has 543 seats. This is around 5%, so therefore they are underrepresented.

There are 7 Pakistani Hindus part of the Parliament right now which has 342 seats. So thats about 2 % which is in line with their population. And if it was up to me i would increase the quota, so that the minority groups are over represented.

Apologies but you have zero knowledge of how parliamentary democracy works. What do you mean by only 27 muslims represent parliament? People need to elect them first na to become an MP and enter into parliament. You want a quota system there also...just because they are muslims?

There are 2 political parties exclusive to muslims. They are free to woo the public and take all 543 seats if they want. But why should be they given any handouts?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Considering Indian Muslim shares so many commonalities like history, social activities, languages, cultures etc with other 2 nations' majority populations, how can they be ingrained with castism when other Muslim communities lack it. Especially when Islam itself, takes so many steps to ensure that the caste system does not get introduce among the Muslims. Like everyone must pray behind one imam in a row regardless of your status. No matter what section of the community you have come from everyone must stand side by side during prayers. The imam can not be selected based on his family and status in the society but only by his mastery and knowledge of the Quran. Islamic education is available to every part of the society and everyone is given equal access to the teaching of Islam regardless of where you came from.

I think what you got is the socio-economic condition in this issue. The Muslim differentiate among themselves not based on upper-caste and lower-caste but based on how much prosperity and status one has in the society. One who is from well to do family or community will have a superiority complex over other Muslims in the society. This is not a caste problem but a class problem.

This is a separate topic, about existence (or not) of a caste system among muslims of indian origin in pakistan. That cannot be used to mirror the situation of indian muslims. Maybe the migration pattern was different between the elite and the backward muslims from UP/Bihar. Or maybe with more stress on Islam, the pakistani indian muslims changed. So can't extrapolate the culture of pakistani muslims on indian muslims.

My opinion is based on first hand accounts of muslim friends (friends in the loose term) who say that there is no caste when it comes to namaaz, but exists in other spheres, particularly when it comes to roti-beti. The muslim/bihari/low caste friend whom I mocked for his bad luck said that he had trouble finding a match despite being well educated (more educated and earning more than me till 2 years back) because of his caste. This was not a class problem, but the problem was his zaat. You can ignore this anecdotal evidence as an anomaly, but you can read what iconic dalit leaders have had to say about it. In his fight against brahmanism, the dalit leader kanshi ram wanted to join hands with muslims, who he thought would resonate with the situations of dalits. but he found that the leaders all came from upper caste (foreign ancestry or hindu upper caste past) so he started supporting the backwards among the muslims.

btw no caste in religion doesn't mean it translates to social practice. sikhism is strictly against caste, but sikhs are very castiest now. because at its root, casteism is about economics and maintaining control of resources. when injected into religion, it helps propagate it but the root is always economics.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The indian muslim leaders dont want caste to be discussed for the same reason the BJP opposes caste in hindus. Because they want the numbers. It is more beneficial for them that muslims vote for elite muslims under the banner of islam, to earn sawab as their islamic duty, and hindu dalits and backward castes vote for people like adityanath yogi.

 

[CricketCartoons]

There are 7 Pakistani Hindus part of the Parliament right now which has 342 seats. So thats about 2 % which is in line with their population. And if it was up to me i would increase the quota, so that the minority groups are over represented.

Of the 7 hindus in pakistani parliament, how many are dalits?

 

[KB]

speech by the "SIR" sayyid ahmad khan in lucknow against govt positions given through examinations, when he wanted it to be given by nobility of birth.



http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_sir_sayyid_lucknow_1887.html

Other than Aligarh, Deoband was the site of another influential educational movement that emerged in late nineteenth century, north India. Concerned with behaviour and belief, of inward transformation, instinctively it might seem that it was less marked by elitism than Sayyid Ahmad Khan and the early Aligarh movement.

Yet, in fact, in the early years a certain pride based on birth found a place in the movement. In the early years staff and students were largely drawn from the so called ‘ashraf’ class of Muslims. Muhammad Qasim Nanautavi, one of the founders of the school, had said that “God entrusted religious learning to these four qaum,” being sayyids, shaikhs, and descendants from immigrant rulers among Mughals and Pathans. Such claims of descent buttressed religious authority. A later prominent alim of the first half of the twentieth century, Hussain Ahmad Madani, noted that behaviour mattered most but that high birth could ease the path of progress and that “one should rejoice in high birth as one rejoices in having a flawless body.”

Yet in spite of the elitism of the early years, both movements in the long run did much to empower a greater number of Muslims, well beyond a tiny elite. In the case of Sayyid Ahmad Khan, he rejected the exclusive right of the ulama to form a Muslim consensus. His conception marked a sharp break from traditional ideas on ijma and in doing so, paved the way for lay people to speak in the name of Islam and for ideas of consensus to emerge that were more sensitive to popular opinion. We should note that at the heart of Khilafat movement was Muhammad Ali, a lay Muslim. Those that spearheaded the Pakistan movement and frequency invoked the spirit of Islam were also largely products of western education. Both these movements mobilised significant number of Muslims, drawing on popular support to bolster their claims of authority.

In the case of Deoband, in the absence of Islamic state power it sought to fashion an individual Muslim conscience and to build an Islamic society from below. Financially its depended on subscriptions from people rather than government. Madrasas proliferated, fatwas in accessible language were issued, key religious books were translated into Urdu. It has been a remarkably successful in propagating its vision of Islam to a significant number of Muslims throughout South Asia.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As Indian culture is being portrayed worldwide through film, television, politics etc, I’m genuinely curious to know how successful are regular muslims in India? Pretty much every indian television show on Netflix/amazon prime or movies have Hindu characters and muslims portrayed in a negative light.

Are there muslims working in senior leadership positions at indian tech firms? What about in government or law enforcement? Is there an upper-middle class Muslim population in India?

Bit of a misnomer to say Indian culture is portrayed worldwide via Netflix or Amazon Prime, since these shows are probably only being watched by Indians abroad, or perhaps some Pakistani immigrants who don't speak the local language well.

As such, the producers of such shows are only giving their viewing public what they want, which is validation of their Hindu superiority which they would never declare publicly on foreign shores. You may ask why do they need this validation, but I can only guess maybe their self worth needs shoring up a little.

 

[offstump]

This is true, but at the same time India has also tried to portray itself as a beacon of democracy and inclusion despite reality. I guess I am curious to know if I walked into Infosys’ offices will I find Muslim managers, directors, VP’s? I’m guessing no. It seems like Muslim success in India is limited to a handful of Bollywood actors, some sportsmen, and small business owners.

 

[CricketCartoons]

This is true, but at the same time India has also tried to portray itself as a beacon of democracy and inclusion despite reality. I guess I am curious to know if I walked into Infosys’ offices will I find Muslim managers, directors, VP’s? I’m guessing no. It seems like Muslim success in India is limited to a handful of Bollywood actors, some sportsmen, and small business owners.

The brahmin and baniya castes dominate the executive posts in private companies. Many jobs are based on referral where it is likely that own caste is preferred. your caste is the most important cultural capital you can have in india. religion comes after that.

 

[gani999]

This is true, but at the same time India has also tried to portray itself as a beacon of democracy and inclusion despite reality. I guess I am curious to know if I walked into Infosys’ offices will I find Muslim managers, directors, VP’s? I’m guessing no. It seems like Muslim success in India is limited to a handful of Bollywood actors, some sportsmen, and small business owners.

Several of India's blue chip companies with multi-million US dollar market capitalisations have muslim owners, VP and chairpersons. Some examples:

Wipro Infotech, Cipla Pharmaceuticals, Mabionics, Wockhardt Laboratories, Hamdard Laboratories (which also has operations in Pakistan), Sportsweek magazine, VST Industries, Shehnaz Hussain Herbal and quite a few others.

Apparently, some Indian Muslims have enough moolah to buy the whole of Pakistan.

https://m.dailyhunt.in/news/india/e...n+buy+the+whole+of+pakistan-newsid-n158992618

 

[Napa]

speech by the "SIR" sayyid ahmad khan in lucknow against govt positions given through examinations, when he wanted it to be given by nobility of birth.



http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_sir_sayyid_lucknow_1887.html

"Rajas of high position and the brave Rajputs who have not forgotten the swords of their ancestors, would be placed as ruler a Bengali who at sight of a table knife would crawl under his chair. (Uproarious cheers and laughter.)"

That must explain why Netaji Bose, Surya Sen, Benoy Basu, Badal Gupta, Dinesh Gupta, Pritilata Wadedar (female) and other Bengalis who took up arms and paid with their lives so that those who were asking British for favors would also one day have independence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surya_Sen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benoy_Basu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badal_Gupta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_Gupta
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pritilata_Waddedar

 

[pillionrider]

....a Bengali who at sight of a table knife would crawl under his chair.

Shows how small a visionary this Sayyid Ahmad Khan was. He obviously couldn't envisage a keyboard on that table for the Bengali joshilay

 

[Itachi]

These are the kind of non - constructive posts that irks me. Muslims are underrepresented in india.... OK, but what matrices you took into account?

What sector, what standard, what frame of references you took while coming in to this conclusion?

What types of studies you have made in order to come to this verdict?

If you havn't, then it is nothing different than a person sitting in the toilet seat taking a dump and then suddenly realizing that there's so many wrong in this world!

It is nothing different than those "all knowing unles" in mahalla shops talking about stuffs out of thin air.

These are the kind of threads which will increase the number of threads yet, quality wise, probably at the bottom of the pit.

And this has been the trend in the recent threads. People just "feel" something and then write here as if that is the next truth coming after the bible. I don't blame the mods because since the number of such posters are increasing, their hands are also tied. They can't magically incresase the IQ level of these posters. Stupidity isn't againt the rules. But it is more prevalent in these days.

 

[Bigboii]

These are the kind of non - constructive posts that irks me. Muslims are underrepresented in india.... OK, but what matrices you took into account?

What sector, what standard, what frame of references you took while coming in to this conclusion?

What types of studies you have made in order to come to this verdict?

If you havn't, then it is nothing different than a person sitting in the toilet seat taking a dump and then suddenly realizing that there's so many wrong in this world!

It is nothing different than those "all knowing unles" in mahalla shops talking about stuffs out of thin air.

These are the kind of threads which will increase the number of threads yet, quality wise, probably at the bottom of the pit.

And this has been the trend in the recent threads. People just "feel" something and then write here as if that is the next truth coming after the bible. I don't blame the mods because since the number of such posters are increasing, their hands are also tied. They can't magically incresase the IQ level of these posters. Stupidity isn't againt the rules. But it is more prevalent in these days.

Added a lot to the thread with your long essay like rant

 

[someone21]

So many rants & replies, yet no comment about Indian Muslim women.

Its they who are completely under-represented, lack of voice, education, and professional experience. Its an abysmal thing in today’s modern and Progressive world.

Thus, the onus is on Muslims themselves to lead the change within, and become more integrated and liberal.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So many rants & replies, yet no comment about Indian Muslim women.

Its they who are completely under-represented, lack of voice, education, and professional experience. Its an abysmal thing in today’s modern and Progressive world.

Thus, the onus is on Muslims themselves to lead the change within, and become more integrated and liberal.

Women are not separate from males. If males are successful, females will also be uplifted. Otherwise you would ask female representation to be 50% of all jobs.

The job of a female is to look after the family, learn homely crafts and impart good values to kids. Also they are the repository of the honour of the family. So they are already entrusted with such huge responsibilities which men are not capable of.

 

[someone21]

Women are not separate from males. If males are successful, females will also be uplifted. Otherwise you would ask female representation to be 50% of all jobs.

The job of a female is to look after the family, learn homely crafts and impart good values to kids. Also they are the repository of the honour of the family. So they are already entrusted with such huge responsibilities which men are not capable of.

What a regressive and backward person. You are part of the problem.

Women particular Muslims one need equal rights and opportunities. They also deserve their share of independence, and to be successful in their lives.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What a regressive and backward person. You are part of the problem.

Women particular Muslims one need equal rights and opportunities. They also deserve their share of independence, and to be successful in their lives.

Perhaps one day when they see their Hindu counterparts in India progressing and earning a reputation for enterprise then they will follow along as well. Although pardon me if that comes across sexist as many might already claim they are doing as much as their Hindu counterparts already.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Added a lot to the thread with your long essay like rant

Problem with some of them is that questions like 'what matrices they took into account' only comes when they are on the receiving end. They don't ask these questions from Indian media when they make similar claims about state of Hindus in Pakistan.

 

[JaDed]

This is true, but at the same time India has also tried to portray itself as a beacon of democracy and inclusion despite reality. I guess I am curious to know if I walked into Infosys’ offices will I find Muslim managers, directors, VP’s? I’m guessing no. It seems like Muslim success in India is limited to a handful of Bollywood actors, some sportsmen, and small business owners.

Is this a joke? Ofcourse you will find Muslim managers or even owners - Azim Premji owns Wipro. Keep your ignorant posts to random rant and not get on specifics.

 

[JaDed]

If Pakistani posters don't know the demographic makeup of Indian IT offices don't speak about it with confidence, even a Linkedin search could had saved you time.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Opportunistic islam bashing of the current ruling party notwithstanding, I would say muslims in India are freer and more prosperous than their co-religionists who live in the neighbouring state which was built and designed solely for muslims.

 

[Itachi]

This is true, but at the same time India has also tried to portray itself as a beacon of democracy and inclusion despite reality. I guess I am curious to know if I walked into Infosys’ offices will I find Muslim managers, directors, VP’s? I’m guessing no. It seems like Muslim success in India is limited to a handful of Bollywood actors, some sportsmen, and small business owners.

This is where the issue is. This whole thread is a creation of your Imagination

 

[CricketCartoons]

This is where the issue is. This whole thread is a creation of your Imagination

He is stating what he thinks and putting out in the open so others can provide their input. He need not provide any evidence. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence anyway.

Why don't you provide your input, whether you think he is right or wrong, or just a bit off with his guess?

 

[Itachi]

He is stating what he thinks and putting out in the open so others can provide their input. He need not provide any evidence. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence anyway.

Why don't you provide your input, whether you think he is right or wrong, or just a bit off with his guess?

I already gave my Input. It is his imagination. I don't think I need to provide evidence of my claims. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence anyway.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I already gave my Input. It is his imagination. I don't think I need to provide evidence of my claims. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence anyway.

So you believe indian muslims don't face any discrimination and it is all imagination. Fair enough.

 

[Bigboii]

How much importance do people give to that today, over lets say money, ethnicity, money, skin color, money, sect, etc?

I honestly think people don't care about baradaris that much its more about keeping it in the family than a problem with marrying someone from another lower caste as long as ethnicity (I don't think even that is a big problem at least in Punjab because there is a lot of intermarrying with punjabis and muhajirs Urdu speaking people - I being one of em), skin color, money, sect is in order everything's good but I think if someone is actually "lower caste" (hate using that word) he, she wouldn't even be that rich to be considered as a groom or bride so this can be the after shocks to the discrimination

 

[Rajdeep]

Is this a joke? Ofcourse you will find Muslim managers or even owners - Azim Premji owns Wipro. Keep your ignorant posts to random rant and not get on specifics.

He is either trolling or genuinely ignorant. I have worked in Infosys BPO (call center) in Bangalore and my ex manager, plenty of co-workere were muslims. We used to even have eid celebration in our infy campus canteen. The thought that someone is a hindu or muslim or christian never even came to our mind. Anyone who worked in an Indian corporate world knows it.

 

[Buffet]

Muslims were 10% of Indian population in 1950.

Muslims are around 15% of Indian population now.

Even if Muslim households captured the same slice of pie as other households, per capita should be drastically lower than others. So they should be doing not as good as others in India. I couldn't find per capita income for Muslims in india.

Doing well or not well also can be compared with neighboring countries which were created for Muslims.


Per capita income,

India - 2100
BD - 1800-1900
Pakistan 1200-1300

https://data.worldbank.org/indicato...2019&locations=PK-IN-BD&start=1960&view=chart

BD is doing much better in the last 10 years due to controlling population and also having a good economiic growth. If anyone can find and post per capita income of Indian Muslims then it will be easy to see how they are doing when compared to per capita income of India and also when compared to Muslims in BD/Pakistan.

Over all I see India, Pakistan and BD reaching 10K per capita within 20 years. If current trajectory holds then it may take a bit longer for Pakistan, but it will get there as well. Key will be to bring down population growth.

 

[Buffet]

Is this a joke? Ofcourse you will find Muslim managers or even owners - Azim Premji owns Wipro. Keep your ignorant posts to random rant and not get on specifics.

If my memory serves me right then Wipro was initially in non-IT and Premji changed the trajectory. Many years ago we held some stake in Wipro.

Premji should be around 20B net worth. I met him once. He is a very down to earth person and had plan to donate big chunk of his net worth.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If my memory serves me right then Wipro was initially in non-IT and Premji changed the trajectory. Many years ago we held some stake in Wipro.

Premji should be around 20B net worth. I met him once. He is a very down to earth person and had plan to donate big chunk of his net worth.

Premji has donated nearly 20bn usd. Among top 10 charitable foundations in the world. He is still worth 6-7 bn usd after those donations. Great man.

 

[Buffet]

Premji has donated nearly 20bn usd. Among top 10 charitable foundations in the world. He is still worth 6-7 bn usd after those donations. Great man.

I didn't realize that he has already given 20B. I shouldn't be surprised though. He was first Indian to sign "Giving Pledge" formed by Gates and Buffett.

 

[Civil]

https://m.economictimes.com/news/po...-just-3-of-india-inc/articleshow/48849266.cms

This was back in 2015.. don't know if it has improved.

However well being should not only be measured by ones wealth. Security and happiness are other factors.

 

[CricketCartoons]

https://m.economictimes.com/news/po...-just-3-of-india-inc/articleshow/48849266.cms

This was back in 2015.. don't know if it has improved.

However well being should not only be measured by ones wealth. Security and happiness are other factors.

Poor article. It should have gathered data based on castes to show the real picture. The 3% among the top executives in top 500 companies would be 99% if not 100% upper caste muslims.

 

[warcry]

all this talk of casteism amongst the muslims of india. the concept of upper caste muslims and the lower catse muslims, only leads to the following conclusion.

there are no muslims in india, only kaafirs, for castesim is against everything islam stands for.

 

[Napa]

Many of the successful Muslims left India after Partition, so what you have left are skewed towards poverty.

Malik Ghulam Muhammad was actually a founder of Mahindra and Muhammad which later became Mahindra and Mahindra. He left for Pakistan where he was first the Finance Minister and later the Governor General.

M&M today is a multinational with a $15 billion turnover.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Many of the successful Muslims left India after Partition, so what you have left are skewed towards poverty.

Malik Ghulam Muhammad was actually a founder of Mahindra and Muhammad which later became Mahindra and Mahindra. He left for Pakistan where he was first the Finance Minister and later the Governor General.

M&M today is a multinational with a $15 billion turnover.

Its strange that M G Mohammad didnt establish a similar industry in pakistan.

 

[Bigboii]

Its strange that M G Mohammad didnt establish a similar industry in pakistan.

Got into politics he was the first guy to enforce a martial law in Pakistan thaught Ayub would help him in becoming a dictator but than Ayub played him and kicked him out of the office
Died in exile

 

[Bigboii]

Got into politics he was the first guy to enforce a martial law in Pakistan thaught Ayub would help him in becoming a dictator but than Ayub played him and kicked him out of the office
Died in exile

Sorry mixed him with Iskander Mirza

So what I actually happened was
He got into politics but than due to paralysis he had to give up power but he was a very shrewd person politically speaking

 

[Bigboii]

Sorry mixed him with Iskander Mirza

So what I actually happened was
He got into politics but than due to paralysis he had to give up power but he was a very shrewd person politically speaking

 

[Napa]

Its strange that M G Mohammad didnt establish a similar industry in pakistan.

That's pretty much the story of Pakistan (and for India too till about the 1990s). The guy was talented, could succeed as an industrialist or a politician. The Pakistani system rewards politicians, especially those who curry favor with the military. So he became a politician, took various actions to undermine elected representatives, rose to become Governor General and had a lasting negative impact on Pakistan.

 

[junoon]

https://m.economictimes.com/news/po...-just-3-of-india-inc/articleshow/48849266.cms

This was back in 2015.. don't know if it has improved.

However well being should not only be measured by ones wealth. Security and happiness are other factors.

That is exactly the situation that Shias and Ahmadis find themselves in Pakistan.
It is often argued that Shias and Ahmadis are safer in india than in Pakistan?

 

[gani999]

Many of the successful Muslims left India after Partition, so what you have left are skewed towards poverty.

Malik Ghulam Muhammad was actually a founder of Mahindra and Muhammad which later became Mahindra and Mahindra. He left for Pakistan where he was first the Finance Minister and later the Governor General.

M&M today is a multinational with a $15 billion turnover.

Completely untrue. Most of the richer muslims owning big assets, as also the highly educated ones, actually stayed back in India.

A sizeable proportion of the people who migrated to Pakistan were the relatively poor, villager types from UP, Bihar and Haryana. The mohajir-bashing in Pakistan has a lot to do with the quality of the migrants who entered Pakistan in droves following the partition.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Completely untrue. Most of the richer muslims owning big assets, as also the highly educated ones, actually stayed back in India.

A sizeable proportion of the people who migrated to Pakistan were the relatively poor, villager types from UP, Bihar and Haryana. The mohajir-bashing in Pakistan has a lot to do with the quality of the migrants who entered Pakistan in droves following the partition.

Which historian or source told you it is completely untrue?

 

[Napa]

Completely untrue. Most of the richer muslims owning big assets, as also the highly educated ones, actually stayed back in India.

Do you have data from a reliable source for this? It was the poor Muslims in places like Uttar Pradesh who were less mobile and stuck to where they lived. The professional class had the means to move during the Partition. What is the profile of the Mohajirs of Karachi?

 

[Napa]

Completely untrue. Most of the richer muslims owning big assets, as also the highly educated ones, actually stayed back in India.

A sizeable proportion of the people who migrated to Pakistan were the relatively poor, villager types from UP, Bihar and Haryana. The mohajir-bashing in Pakistan has a lot to do with the quality of the migrants who entered Pakistan in droves following the partition.

Completely untrue???

Out of the 101 Muslims in India's civil service, 95 chose to leave India. A third of those civil servants were Punjabis but there were many Muhajirs among them too. From 1947 to 1958, Urdu-speaking Muhajirs held more jobs in the Government of Pakistan than their proportion in the country's population (3.3%). In 1951, of the 95 senior civil services jobs, 33 were held by Urdu-speaking people and 40 by Punjabis. The Muhajirs also had a strong hold over the economy, 36 of the 42 largest private companies belonged to Muhajirs, mainly those from the Indian state of Gujarat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhajir_people

most of the educated and/or rich Muslims migrated to Pakistan, leaving the poor, huddled masses behind.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/strategic-insights/the-muslim-question-2/

The rich and educated Muslims shifted to Pakistan. The poor and illiterate remained in India
https://indianexpress.com/article/o...in-india-nrc-caa-protests-secularism-6205149/

 

[gani999]

Completely untrue???

Sorry but 95 out of 101 civil servants is hardly a valid statistic to define millions of migrants.

The vast majority of the *prosperous* muslims in India at the time of partition were the multitudes of big and small nawabs and rulers. All these people were generously privy pursed by the Government of India in exchange for their rights to rule. Most of these people got to keep their properties and lands, and almost all of them remained in India.

They did not choose to migrate to Pakistan even after Indira Gandhi abolished the privy purses in 1970.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Sorry but 95 out of 101 civil servants is hardly a valid statistic to define millions of migrants.

The vast majority of the *prosperous* muslims in India at the time of partition were the multitudes of big and small nawabs and rulers. All these people were generously privy pursed by the Government of India in exchange for their rights to rule. Most of these people got to keep their properties and lands, and almost all of them remained in India.

They did not choose to migrate to Pakistan even after Indira Gandhi abolished the privy purses in 1970.

There were no more than 2000 such small rulers/zamindars, and this is across religions. A very tiny number if you select only muslims (assuming all of them stayed back).

the cricketer pataudi fought election after his royal status was taken away and hardly got any votes.

 

[Bigboii]

Completely untrue. Most of the richer muslims owning big assets, as also the highly educated ones, actually stayed back in India.

A sizeable proportion of the people who migrated to Pakistan were the relatively poor, villager types from UP, Bihar and Haryana. The mohajir-bashing in Pakistan has a lot to do with the quality of the migrants who entered Pakistan in droves following the partition.

I have a feeling you don't know much about mohajir community because whatever tiny bashing Mohajirs get is because they are \ were educated and they dominate\ ed the job markets and civil service, other ethnicities felt threatened and that was the only reason for mohajir bashing and sindhis had a problem because of Karachis mohajir domination

Read up on this issue your views will change

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Completely untrue. Most of the richer muslims owning big assets, as also the highly educated ones, actually stayed back in India.

A sizeable proportion of the people who migrated to Pakistan were the relatively poor, villager types from UP, Bihar and Haryana. The mohajir-bashing in Pakistan has a lot to do with the quality of the migrants who entered Pakistan in droves following the partition.

Its the complete opposite, as far as UP is concerned. Muslims from UP came from Middle / Upper Middle urban areas.

The Mohjair Bashing was really a Urdu Speaking Bashing, as Punjabi's, Kashmiris, and Gujarati's were able to assimilate into pre existing communities in Pakistan. And all the remaining Mohjairs where a tiny percentage of the overall numbers.

And it happened for two reasons.

1 - Those migrants were disproportionately successful, so there numbers in government jobs was a lot higher than there overall percentage of population.

2 - And they came predominately to Karachi, and as they became the overwhelming majority there, there was no need for them to assimilate into the existing Sindhi culture. And to this day Karachi is an Urdu Speaking city.

The Urdu Speaking Muslims are the most successful group in Pakistan. They are way more successful than the Urdu Speaking Muslims in India.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Sorry but 95 out of 101 civil servants is hardly a valid statistic to define millions of migrants.

The vast majority of the *prosperous* muslims in India at the time of partition were the multitudes of big and small nawabs and rulers. All these people were generously privy pursed by the Government of India in exchange for their rights to rule. Most of these people got to keep their properties and lands, and almost all of them remained in India.

They did not choose to migrate to Pakistan even after Indira Gandhi abolished the privy purses in 1970.

If your definition of prosperous is having enough money equivalent to a Nawab, then not only Muslims, but 99% of everyone in the subcontinent is not prosperous.

 

[waheed_sofi]

Indore's "PhD" Vegetable Seller's Protest In English Is Viral
https://www.ndtv.com/cities/indores...english-is-viral-2267812?pfrom=home-topscroll
The first question is: who will give the job to me? The perception that coronavirus is being generated from Muslims has become common now. Because my name is Raeesa Ansari, no college or research institution is willing to give me a job," she alleged.