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This is the harsh reality. Muslims are being blamed for spreading corona virus in India. All blame goes to our media and their jaahil followers.
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Any organization should keep a close eye on what their members/employees publish in media. For example, a govt sector employee will have to be careful about what he speaks because CCS conduct rule 1964 comes in to play.
It has nothing to do with religion. It's a responsibility that automatically comes when you establish an organization.
Waqf Board To Introduce NCERT Syllabus, Dress Code In Uttarakhand Madrasas
Dehradun: The Uttarakhand Waqf Board has decided to introduce NCERT syllabus and a dress code in its madrasas from next year as part of efforts to modernise madrasa education in the state.
The board has also decided to open the doors of its madrasas for children of all religions, Uttarakhand Waqf Board Chairman Shadab Shams told PTI on Thursday.
The board runs 103 madrasas in Uttarakhand.
The board has also decided that its madrasas will give religious education to students for just an hour from 6.30 am to 7.30 am and conduct classes of general subjects from 8 am to 2 pm daily as in other schools, he said.
"We will introduce the NCERT syllabus and a dress code on the lines of English medium schools in our madrasas so that students feel on a par with the rest of school going children," Shams said.
The idea is to help madrasa students join the academic mainstream and prepare them for a better future, he said.
The board has also decided to create seven model madrasas, two each in Dehradun, Haridwar and Udham Singh Nagar districts and one in Nainital where smart classes will be held, he said. "The decision is in keeping with Prime Minister Narendra Modi's vision of madrasa- going children holding the holy Quran in one hand and a laptop in the other. We want madrasas to emerge as centres of modern education," Shams said.
Meanwhile, the Wakf board has also decided to extend the duration of Hafiz-e-Quran education in its madrasas from four years to 10 years so that by the time the course is finished the students will have passed Class 10 or 12and will be mature enough to decide whether they want to pursue religious education or become doctors and engineers, he said.
"Modernisation of madrasa education will also help dispel the doubts often cast on their activities," Shams said.
Chief Minister Pushkar Singh Dhami and minister of social welfare and minority affairs Chandan Ram Das have assured the board of all possible help in its endeavour to modernise the madrasas, he said, adding the board will request them to provide NCERT books to madrasa students for free.
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Dehradun: The Uttarakhand Waqf Board has decided to introduce NCERT syllabus and a dress code in its madrasas from next year as part of efforts to modernise madrasa education in the state.
The board has also decided to open the doors of its madrasas for children of all religions, Uttarakhand Waqf Board Chairman Shadab Shams told PTI on Thursday.
The board runs 103 madrasas in Uttarakhand.
The board has also decided that its madrasas will give religious education to students for just an hour from 6.30 am to 7.30 am and conduct classes of general subjects from 8 am to 2 pm daily as in other schools, he said.
"We will introduce the NCERT syllabus and a dress code on the lines of English medium schools in our madrasas so that students feel on a par with the rest of school going children," Shams said.
The idea is to help madrasa students join the academic mainstream and prepare them for a better future, he said.
The board has also decided to create seven model madrasas, two each in Dehradun, Haridwar and Udham Singh Nagar districts and one in Nainital where smart classes will be held, he said. "The decision is in keeping with Prime Minister Narendra Modi's vision of madrasa- going children holding the holy Quran in one hand and a laptop in the other. We want madrasas to emerge as centres of modern education," Shams said.
Meanwhile, the Wakf board has also decided to extend the duration of Hafiz-e-Quran education in its madrasas from four years to 10 years so that by the time the course is finished the students will have passed Class 10 or 12and will be mature enough to decide whether they want to pursue religious education or become doctors and engineers, he said.
"Modernisation of madrasa education will also help dispel the doubts often cast on their activities," Shams said.
Chief Minister Pushkar Singh Dhami and minister of social welfare and minority affairs Chandan Ram Das have assured the board of all possible help in its endeavour to modernise the madrasas, he said, adding the board will request them to provide NCERT books to madrasa students for free.
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Court Order To Pay Salaries To Imams Violates Constitution: Top Official
New Delhi: The Central Information Commission has said the 1993 Supreme Court order allowing remuneration to imams in mosques was in "violation of the Constitution" and, besides setting a "wrong precedent", has become a point of unnecessary political slug fest and social disharmony.
Information Commissioner Uday Mahurkar, while hearing an RTI application filed by an activist demanding details of salaries to imams by the Delhi government and the Delhi Waqf Board, also observed that the order violated constitutional provisions that say "taxpayer's money will not be used to favour any particular religion".
The Supreme Court in 1993 on a petition from the All India Imam Organisation had directed the waqf board to give remuneration to imams in mosques managed by it.
He has directed that a copy of his order be sent to the Union Law Minister with suitable action to ensure enforcement of provisions of articles 25 to 28 of the Constitution in letter and spirit to keep all religions on par in terms of monthly remuneration to priests of different religions at the cost of the public exchequer -- both central and states -- and also other matters.
"Further with regard to the judgment by the Supreme Court in the case between the 'All India Imam Organisation and ... vs Union Of India And Ors' on 13 May, 1993, that opened the doors to special financial benefits from public treasury to only imams and muezzins in mosques, the commission observes that the highest court of the country in passing this order acted in violation of the provisions of the Constitution, particularly Article 27, which says taxpayers' money will not be used to favour any particular religion," Mahurkar said.
"The commission notes that the said judgment sets a wrong precedent in the country and has become a point of unnecessary political slug fest and also social disharmony in the society," the information commissioner said.
He also directed the Delhi Waqf Board to pay a compensation of ₹ 25,000 to RTI activist Subhash Agrawal for the loss of time and resources in chasing the response to his application. The activist was not being able to get a satisfactory response to his application.
"It is necessary to go into the history when it comes to giving special religious benefits to the Muslim community by the State. A religious (Islamic) nation, Pakistan, was born out of the demand of a section of Indian Muslims for partition of India along religious lines. Despite Pakistan choosing to be a religious (Islamic) nation, India chose a Constitution guaranteeing equal rights to all religions," Mr Mahurkar said.
"It is necessary to note here that it was the policy of giving special benefits to the Muslim community before 1947 that played a key role in encouraging pan-Islamic and fissiparous tendencies in a section of Muslims, ultimately leading to the nation's partition," he said.
So giving remuneration to imams and others only in mosques, amounts to "not just betraying the Hindu community and members of other non-Muslim minority religions, but also encouraging pan-Islamist tendencies amongst a section of Indian Muslims which are already visible", the information commissioner said.
Steps such as giving special religious benefits to the Muslim community only like the one taken up in the present matter, in fact, severely affects interfaith harmony as they invite contempt for the Muslims as a whole from a section of ultra nationalist population, Mr Mahurkar said.
He said the Delhi Waqf Board (DWB) gets an annual grant of around ₹ 62 crore from the Delhi government, while its own monthly income from independent sources is just around ₹ 30 lakh.
"So the monthly honorarium of ₹ 18,000 and ₹ 16,000 being given to the imams and muezzins of DWB mosques in Delhi are being paid by the Delhi government virtually from the taxpayers' money which in turn is in sharp contrast with the example quoted by the appellant in which the priest of a Hindu temple is getting a paltry ₹ 2,000 per month from the trust controlling the said temple," he said.
Mr Mahurkar said those who justify such steps in the name of protection to religious minorities raise a question that if a particular religious minority has a right to protection, the majority community too has a right to protection in a multi-religious country where it is incumbent that the rights of the members of all religions are protected equally in the interest of inter-faith harmony and unity of the nation.
He said Delhi Waqf Board initially denied salaries to imams but later in a revised reply said it is only an honorarium not a salary.
"The commission observes that there was a clear attempt to hide the information in the initial period by a play of words which showed complete lack of transparency on the part of the respondent authorities in a case which in turn affects the provisions of the Constitution, and also social harmony and uniform applicability of laws for all religions in keeping with the constitutional direction that citizens of all religions be treated equally," he said.
Mr Mahurkar directed the Delhi Waqf Board and the office of Delhi Chief Minister to provide responses to the RTI application of Mr Agrawal.
The orders of the commission, the highest body to decide appeals and complaints under the RTI Act, are often challenged in High Courts through writ petitions.
The government through an amendment in the RTI Act had diluted perks, salaries, and tenure of information commissioners from being on par with central election commissioners or to that of bureaucrats serving at their pay scale. The fixed tenure of five years given to an information Commissioner in the RTI Act was also reduced to three years.
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New Delhi: The Central Information Commission has said the 1993 Supreme Court order allowing remuneration to imams in mosques was in "violation of the Constitution" and, besides setting a "wrong precedent", has become a point of unnecessary political slug fest and social disharmony.
Information Commissioner Uday Mahurkar, while hearing an RTI application filed by an activist demanding details of salaries to imams by the Delhi government and the Delhi Waqf Board, also observed that the order violated constitutional provisions that say "taxpayer's money will not be used to favour any particular religion".
The Supreme Court in 1993 on a petition from the All India Imam Organisation had directed the waqf board to give remuneration to imams in mosques managed by it.
He has directed that a copy of his order be sent to the Union Law Minister with suitable action to ensure enforcement of provisions of articles 25 to 28 of the Constitution in letter and spirit to keep all religions on par in terms of monthly remuneration to priests of different religions at the cost of the public exchequer -- both central and states -- and also other matters.
"Further with regard to the judgment by the Supreme Court in the case between the 'All India Imam Organisation and ... vs Union Of India And Ors' on 13 May, 1993, that opened the doors to special financial benefits from public treasury to only imams and muezzins in mosques, the commission observes that the highest court of the country in passing this order acted in violation of the provisions of the Constitution, particularly Article 27, which says taxpayers' money will not be used to favour any particular religion," Mahurkar said.
"The commission notes that the said judgment sets a wrong precedent in the country and has become a point of unnecessary political slug fest and also social disharmony in the society," the information commissioner said.
He also directed the Delhi Waqf Board to pay a compensation of ₹ 25,000 to RTI activist Subhash Agrawal for the loss of time and resources in chasing the response to his application. The activist was not being able to get a satisfactory response to his application.
"It is necessary to go into the history when it comes to giving special religious benefits to the Muslim community by the State. A religious (Islamic) nation, Pakistan, was born out of the demand of a section of Indian Muslims for partition of India along religious lines. Despite Pakistan choosing to be a religious (Islamic) nation, India chose a Constitution guaranteeing equal rights to all religions," Mr Mahurkar said.
"It is necessary to note here that it was the policy of giving special benefits to the Muslim community before 1947 that played a key role in encouraging pan-Islamic and fissiparous tendencies in a section of Muslims, ultimately leading to the nation's partition," he said.
So giving remuneration to imams and others only in mosques, amounts to "not just betraying the Hindu community and members of other non-Muslim minority religions, but also encouraging pan-Islamist tendencies amongst a section of Indian Muslims which are already visible", the information commissioner said.
Steps such as giving special religious benefits to the Muslim community only like the one taken up in the present matter, in fact, severely affects interfaith harmony as they invite contempt for the Muslims as a whole from a section of ultra nationalist population, Mr Mahurkar said.
He said the Delhi Waqf Board (DWB) gets an annual grant of around ₹ 62 crore from the Delhi government, while its own monthly income from independent sources is just around ₹ 30 lakh.
"So the monthly honorarium of ₹ 18,000 and ₹ 16,000 being given to the imams and muezzins of DWB mosques in Delhi are being paid by the Delhi government virtually from the taxpayers' money which in turn is in sharp contrast with the example quoted by the appellant in which the priest of a Hindu temple is getting a paltry ₹ 2,000 per month from the trust controlling the said temple," he said.
Mr Mahurkar said those who justify such steps in the name of protection to religious minorities raise a question that if a particular religious minority has a right to protection, the majority community too has a right to protection in a multi-religious country where it is incumbent that the rights of the members of all religions are protected equally in the interest of inter-faith harmony and unity of the nation.
He said Delhi Waqf Board initially denied salaries to imams but later in a revised reply said it is only an honorarium not a salary.
"The commission observes that there was a clear attempt to hide the information in the initial period by a play of words which showed complete lack of transparency on the part of the respondent authorities in a case which in turn affects the provisions of the Constitution, and also social harmony and uniform applicability of laws for all religions in keeping with the constitutional direction that citizens of all religions be treated equally," he said.
Mr Mahurkar directed the Delhi Waqf Board and the office of Delhi Chief Minister to provide responses to the RTI application of Mr Agrawal.
The orders of the commission, the highest body to decide appeals and complaints under the RTI Act, are often challenged in High Courts through writ petitions.
The government through an amendment in the RTI Act had diluted perks, salaries, and tenure of information commissioners from being on par with central election commissioners or to that of bureaucrats serving at their pay scale. The fixed tenure of five years given to an information Commissioner in the RTI Act was also reduced to three years.
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Like their celebrities they are successful if they hate Pakistan and combine Islam with Hindu practices. They must also have non Muslim partners to show how secular they are. Refusing to do all of this means living in the biggest slums in the world where they are abused every day being called "Pakistanis" and "terrorists". These are the conditions their annoying Muslim's must adhere too if they want to be even respected let alone anything else.
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It’s unfortunate and unfair but that’s how it works. White people are automatically assumed to be racists and carry that stigma for what happened in the past and have to work that extra mile even if they aren’t. It’s the same for Indian Muslims. A lot of them genuinely dislike Pakistan though because of the same reason that they are seen suspiciously because of activities elsewhere.
Having said that is it even up for debate Muslims of which country regardless of ethnicity have more upside and prospects if they put their head together, stay away from bad influences, have talent and get an education?
Obviously you already know all this but spew the same boring rhetoric in every other thread.
I admit; it would undermine the reason for Pakistan's creation if the Muslims of India were better off than the Muslims of Pakistan. Perhaps it is better to focus on the situation in Pakistan. The Muslims of India had a chance to migrate to Pakistan. Whatever issues they have, will now need to be addressed in an Indian context. Pakistani's should focus on themselves.
I can say whatever I want. When this subject arises then it will naturally be said to a people who often attack Pakistan all the time for being "terrorists". By the same token I also will keep showing them the mirror no matter how boring it may be. If they dislike Pakistan then i absolutely loathe them like there is no tomorrow.
By the way what on earth is " Having said that is it even up for debate Muslims of which country regardless of ethnicity have more upside and prospects if they put their head together, stay away from bad influences, have talent and get an education?" supposed to mean? Is this your attempts at philosophy or being an intellectual?
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By the way what on earth is " Having said that is it even up for debate Muslims of which country regardless of ethnicity have more upside and prospects if they put their head together, stay away from bad influences, have talent and get an education?" supposed to mean? Is this your attempts at philosophy or being an intellectual?
Don’t need to be an intellectual when all it takes is some common sense and being practical. On top of that not living in a bubble also goes a long way
if this if how you perceive the state of Muslims to be in India "by and large" ... how do you explain the gruesome beheading of the Hindu Tailor in broad daylight by a Muslim and the fact that the people responsible are still alive and being processed by the courts? Shouldn't the entire community have been subjected to hell to put it mildly ?
Now flip that situation and show me one example of a Hindu resorting to similar acts of horrific religious violence in Pakistan.
PS: I am not trying to compare Ind and Pak on religious tolerance but there is a larger point which I will address once you respond to the above example ... if you need more examples let me know.
What bubble are you not living in?
Who was beheaded, where and when? Well you know killing innocents anywhere is always wrong yet that does not alter the over all condition of your Muslim's. Indian law should take action against the one who committed such a crime after a proper investigation if that is possible?
Hindu's can not do such things in Pak because they are a minority. Now you will look upon them being a massive minority as being oppressed which is not true. When a country has a population of well over one billion naturally the minorities will also be much larger in numbers. Hindu's in Pak are no way near as voiceless as you probably think. Many have thriving business in Karachi and Lahore I can tell you.
Pak is restoring many ancient Hindu temples whilst India is bulldozing anything considered as being Muslim. As i said so in another thread show me any Pak politician spewing hatred against Hindu's? In India....well you know all about that.
here is the wiki link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kanhaiya_Lal ( It has numerous links to Media reports )
Thats a logical fallacy... a community that as you claim is at the mercy of Hindus will not attempt such horrific brazen acts. I will get to the rest of your post once we can agree on this.
Well you know such things happen all the time particularly in the subcontinent! I can point out the many injustices your Muslim's have suffered too. Yes your Muslim's will attempt such acts seeing they are 200 million strong. This is not a small number that they should always live in fear of the RSS hooligan's. In majority Muslim dominated area's they naturally feel powerful but overall we know RSS fascism rules India nowadays. Rahul Gandhi is not on the streets for no reason.
Now in India there is a new trend in the form of Muslim hating pop songs by youtubers insisting how the plan to invade Pakistan and the Middle East
Every religion has extremists but such silly things only happen in India
Well you know such things happen all the time particularly in the subcontinent! I can point out the many injustices your Muslim's have suffered too. Yes your Muslim's will attempt such acts seeing they are 200 million strong. This is not a small number that they should always live in fear of the RSS hooligan's. In majority Muslim dominated area's they naturally feel powerful but overall we know RSS fascism rules India nowadays. Rahul Gandhi is not on the streets for no reason.
Now in India there is a new trend in the form of Muslim hating pop songs by youtubers insisting how the plan to invade Pakistan and the Middle East
So this statement you made earlier in the thread is far from the truth isnt it ? That statement is applicable to Minorities in Pak because if any minority did anything similar to the beheading act they would be history by now.
And speaking of fascism and atrocities conducted by RSS what is the worst un-provoked act of violence that they were held responsible for in the last 8 years since RSS has been in power. Lets start with the most horrific - Mass murders and ethnic cleansing.
What statement i made earlier is far from the truth? Remind me. RSS may not have been in governance but their thugs are responsible for most anti Muslim activity that has mostly taken place in Indian history. The weird thing is they didn't even contribute much in the Indian freedom struggle. We all know who killed Gandhi too.
Its quoted right in that post ... like right in the middle of it !!!
here again:
Can you list some of these anti Muslim activities? Remember must be un-provoked acts of violence. Start with the most horrific incidents like Mass murder ethnic cleansing etc.
Yes I stand by that Indian Muslim's can only be successful if the hate Pakistan. Was Gujarat and the Babri Masjid demolition not violent enough for you? How about the rape of Bilkis Bano or the murder of Ishrat Jahan?
you can stand by your clams only after providing proper evidence ... so far everything that you have posted is just your own opinion not fact. Start by explaining how an utterly subjugated minority can even think of beheading a person from the majority community in broad daylight. Simple common sense would explain that as impossible unless the situation is not necessarily as dire as you want to make it out to be and completely different.
Also remember that beheading incident just ONE incident. If you want more incidents let me know
I did say un-provoked acts. None of these are un-provoked. The Gujrat violence was started by Muslims torching a train and killing 59 unarmed Hindu pilgrims most of whom were women and children. So you are going to claim that such horrific acts can be conducted by a subjugated community that lives in fear of Hindus?.
One incident that you keep harping about does not prove the minority are not oppressed. Even in the west minority communities are involved in crime and murder as well so your belief that Muslim's killing non Muslims meaning not being oppressed is senseless. Have I not mentioned the many incidents where Muslim's in India have been killed?
I have also asked you where in Pak or any Muslim majority country these "terrorists" have ever demanded the blood of Hindu's to which you have no answer. Do you want me to provide evidence of Hindu terrorists demanding the murder and rape of Muslim's in India?. That should be sufficient enough to prove my points.
No I don't believe the Gujarat riots were initiated by the Muslim's at all. The incident was used as a pretext to kill Muslim's. An excuse was needed to justify the genocide that followed.
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Expatriate Gujaratis are business orientated and very successful so only discrimination would prevent that in India
Ok so how many violent incidents are needed to prove this ? BTW I did mention that this is just one incident and offered more if you weren't convinced. So now that you have made it known that one really horrific daylight beheading incident is not good enough for you Let me know what it takes. But let me make this easy for you ... you might want to pick a really big number. But then again you have the most fool proof defense for any number of horrific incidents - "It wasn't the Muslims who did it they were all setup"
Which non-Muslim minority in a Western country has torched a train killing dozens, indulged in ethnic cleansing , riots etc ?
you never asked that question thats why you didn't get an answer. But now that you have asked ... here is the answer to your question : How do you think the Hindu population in current day Pakistan and Afghanistan stand at 1% and 0.01% percent ? Why do you think Hindus in Pakistan are imploring India to save them and hence the response from India to introduce legislation to grant asylum to Hindus in neighboring countries? You must be living in a different world if you believe that Minorities in PK/AF/BD are living in better conditions than Minorities in India!!!
And I will counter that with same done by Muslims. Imagine a minority in a Muslim majority country doing the same thing BTW.
You can believe in whatever you want ... it doesn't make it as a true fact. What matters iis that Indian courts went through a extremely laborious and lengthy process to convict a large number of Muslims for that atrocity. Not even the vested interests contest this judgment.
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If you are talking about muslims in India who are celebrities then you are 100% correct. People don't even take a second to call them Pakistanis here. Whereas common muslims in India are looked down upon anyway.
So you are saying one Muslim killing a non Muslim in India means that they are not oppressed? Your word games do not prove a thing! How many temples in India have been destroyed by Muslim's in modern times? How many Muslim's have been killed by Hindu's in India in comparison to the other way around? Talking off that we hardly ever hear of Hindu's being killed by Muslim's in any Muslim majority country so you really have to do a lot better!. Thousands yes thousands of Muslim's were killed in Gujarat may I remind you. When did Muslim's kill thousands of Hindu's!
Once more I do not believe Muslim's torched any train! This is just propaganda by a media that are well known as being the biggest liars in the world. Godi media and fake news champs shouldn't lecture others on honest journalism.
Where in the Middle East or even Pakistan have Hindu's been killed in massive numbers? I am talking off modern history so don't take this back to some 70 years back or the dinosaur times like India's normally do when they are losing a debate!
Similarly you can believe in the nonsense portrayed by the Indian courts and media too. That is the same media and courts who did nothing about Gujarat rather often sided with the perpetrators even encouraging more violence. The plain facts speak for themselves.
If you are talking about muslims in India who are celebrities then you are 100% correct. People don't even take a second to call them Pakistanis here. Whereas common muslims in India are looked down upon anyway.
Good that you agree with everything I said. I knew it all the time that there are some honest Indian's who call a spade a spade.
So how many times do I need to tell you that the beheading is not the only incident? There are many more. Let me know what part of that statement do you not understand so I can clarify.
So once you agree that such acts of brazen violence with no fear of repercussions from a overwhelmingly large majority violent Hindu's as you claim does indeed imply that Muslims do not live in perpetual fear for lives then I can continue providing more examples. If you do do not agree to this simple logical evaluation then there is little chance of any meaningful discussion.
So in the spirit of being open minded lets hear your version of this event and who was the true culprit. Please make sure you provide a credible source to backup your claim. And does it occur to you that back then there was no "Godi" media and that Modi was a nobody?
I did answer that .... how do you explain near complete extinction of Hindus from AF,Kashmir Valley and many parts of Pakistan.
By the way I am still waiting to see Hafiz Saeed, Lakhvi or even Osama Bin Laden calling for Hindu's to be murdered by Muslim's. It is only in India where Hindu hate preachers have conclaves demanding the murder of Muslim's. Uma Bharati, Adityanath, Sadhvi Pragya, Mohan Bhagwat and many more like these are on video making silly claims and calling for the murder of Muslim's and even Christian's.
When Hindu's have no reply they start pointing to one or a few random incidents where a random Muslim killed a Hindu!!
When Hindu's have no reply they start pointing to one or a few random incidents where a random Muslim killed a Hindu!!
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Bollywood or any Filmywood - Where the "Heroes" get umpteen number of attempts to shoot one single shot in the way the director wishes it to be but still get paid in crores of rupees. Who cares about the movie industry. Ok - fine , A.R.Rahman still got an Oscar award for his Music.
Hmm ... Infosys. IMHO - It is no longer a "prestigious" company.
These days - One can find your interested segment of Indians leading India's most promising Space Technology Start-Ups. They have pitched their ideas, obtained funds from Indian Venture Capitalists & outsiders and are now busy building new age rockets & satellites using latest manufacturing technologies.
Some of them are inspired by former Indian President & accomplished Indian Rocket Scientist Shri Abdul Kalam.
There are numerous other sources where they will show these Indians working in highly complex technological domains with a passion to prove their engineering capabilities to the rest of the world.Just 3 of these start-ups have in total already obtained slightly more than 100 million USD in capital from VCs. By the Way - I have linked below a 25 minute long Interview segment from a leading Indian Business TV channel CNBC-TV18. You can see their thought process and their near term as well as long term aims.
The next generation of Indians will be inspired by these current generation Indians & their Achievements.
You did not answer anything! Once again there will be incidents when there are 1 billion Hindu's and over 200 million Muslims living in India. This is no way proves that the Muslim's are not being oppressed when every day we here of lynchings and all sorts of things going on. There can not be any discussion when clearly you are bias with a pro Hindu agenda. https://twitter.com/i/status/1599427045498720256
There were not many Hindu's in Pak to begin with if you check the records. It is Indian propaganda that some ethnic cleansing wiped them out.Where as there are certainly incidents in Pak have you ever heard of a massive genocide of Hindu's in Pak during modern times?
What happened during Godhra was Hindu fundo's torched the train as a means to frame Muslim's for it. It makes perfect sense seeing Modi was CM of that state during the period. Whilst on this subject it was the RSS thugs who were also responsible for killing Pak Muslim's on the Samjhaua Express too. What did India do about that??
The problem you have is relating everything to religion. This is generally how it is in India as seen on your TV channels. If a Shahrukh Khan had a fight with Amitabh you'd make it in to a Hindu-Muslim issue!
I asked you multiple times to which you never answer for obvious reasons ... how many incidents do you need ? Better yet will you even accept the reality after I provide you these incidents? Now is the time for straight answer.
Do you even have ONE single credible source to back this ? If not I can similarly concoct pretty wild conspiracy theories in response to your absurd views/opinions.
ditto. Show me some credible sources.
So if you want to continue this discussion ... it has to be based on some really credible sources and sound logic. Pretty sure there is none. So dont expect me to respond to meaningless noise.
...and i keep giving you the same reply that Muslim's killing Hindu's in India does not mean they are not oppressed. There are over 200 million Muslim's in India so such things will occasionally occur. Look at the overall picture of what has been destroyed and whose homes are bulldozed.
As for Godhra I am sure your sources are from Hindutva extremists or Arnab Goswami type programmes. The incident is so old now that a lot of online material has been removed. That time I read so much information on the subject as to who was responsible. One fact that still remains is Modi was CM of Gujarat at the time and how he ran away from the Karan Thapar interview.
You will not accept anything as sufficient evidence such is your mindset.
Sure lets look at overall picture ... how far do you want to go back in time and what credible sources have you used to arrive at the conclusion that Muslims are oppressed ? You can ignore the rest of this post if you want to save some time but answer what sources did you rely on to come to the conclusion that Muslims are oppressed.
So you want me to take your word on this matter as a credible source ?
From your post on the other thread:
Don't you think that the situation would have escalated beyond control since per your claim RSS is a violent extremist organization and will not hold back ?
Go as far as the RSS haven been targeting Muslim's for one reason or another. Lynching, rapes claiming Muslim monuments as their own the list is endless. The sources are many human rights sources screaming on the condition of minorities in India. https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelin...-a-persecuted-minority-in-india-experts-warn/ https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/india-muslims-marginalized-population-bjp-modi https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/07/india-surge-summary-punishments-muslims
You won't take my word on Godhra anymore then I do yours. The fact again is that many more Muslim's were killed then Hindu's again verifying my point. As I said before remember when Modi ran away when he was confronted in that programme. How much escalation do you want?i
Can you find me one article from those 4 sources that holds the RSS responsible for un-provoked mass violence on Muslims ?
But here is what one of your own sources that you used above has to say about India and its treatment of minorities:
https://www.forbes.com/2007/08/05/india-jews-antisemitism-oped-cx_gw_0813jews.html?sh=68f5f14d3d45
Incase you cant get to that link here is the gist :
That article above has the answer - albeit indirectly using Jews as examples - to your questions.
The point was who was responsible for starting the cycle of violence. No less an authority in this matter the Indian Govt run by the Congress party(Owned by Rahul Gandhi whom you were singing praises of earlier in this thread in Post#95 ) which is a bitter enemy of Modi could not succeed in prosecuting Modi. You have no idea as to the extent they went to get rid of Modi over a period of 10 full years and tried every trick in every court within the country.
If you are going to say that India is a banana republic and cannot take them seriously Iam afraid we cant have a meaningful/rational discussion on this.
In any case you will not find your own external sources that you quoted above claiming that RSS was responsible for torching the train.
[MENTION=155966]uppercut[/MENTION] https://indianexpress.com/article/c...-behind-all-terror-acts-from-godhra-to-patna/ Here is one such example for RSS being involved and https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...-2002-riots/story-OWZwg6UsQMylCAS3JNUMvI.html too. You may remember how Tehelka magazine exposed the the whole thing then as well.
How India treats it's minorities is well known to all selling Muslim women online calling them "Sulli deals, "Bulli Bai" and such things. No article in the world can deny Godhra, Mumbai riots and things like that either. I can show you how Owaisi feels India wants it's Muslim's to be second class citizens or Shabana Azmi unable to buy a house in Mumbai. I didn't say Congress were brilliant neither as a Pakistani am I a fan of them. Were they not in governance when 1984 anti Sikh riots occurred too? It is like choosing the better off the two here like I may think Nawaz Sharif is better then Zardari as an example.
India is indeed a primitive society to say the least and will soon become a banana country if it is not already one. https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/we-could-soon-become-a-banana-republic/210993
How India treats it's minorities is well known to all selling Muslim women online calling them "Sulli deals, "Bulli Bai" and such things. No article in the world can deny Godhra, Mumbai riots and things like that either. I can show you how Owaisi feels India wants it's Muslim's to be second class citizens or Shabana Azmi unable to buy a house in Mumbai. I didn't say Congress were brilliant neither as a Pakistani am I a fan of them. Were they not in governance when 1984 anti Sikh riots occurred too? It is like choosing the better off the two here like I may think Nawaz Sharif is better then Zardari as an example.
India is indeed a primitive society to say the least and will soon become a banana country if it is not already one. https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/we-could-soon-become-a-banana-republic/210993
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Why are you using Indian media sources now to make your point ? Didn't you summarily dismiss them as unreliable "Godi media". You can't use them when it suits you and reject the same sources when it doesn't. So first let's agree on what sources can be used in this discussion.
Making an accusation v/S making an admission of one's own guilt. Do you know the difference?
There is no "admission" of anything that Media houses can do. Their job is to report on events. So if you now consider these sources as reliable in reporting only one side of the story but not the other then that doesn't make any sense. What you are suggesting can only come from authorities. For instance Pakistan minister admitting that Pak were involved in 26/11 or words to that effect.
Success isn't just for certain communties in India. If you have the talent you will achive success in any field. The film industry has muslims in all 24 crafts. Nikhat Zareen has made a successful career in boxing which wouldn't have been possible if she was born in Pakistan or Iran. Abdul Kalam not only headed India's missile programmes but also became the President of India. Parties like Indian Union Muslim League not only successfully contested elections but also formed state governments in Kerala. These are alo people in public life. We have millions of people who run businesses, doctors, engineers etc just like their hindu or muslims counterparts.
India has a muslim population of over 20 million. Incidents of mob lynching or a Gujarat riots are blot on teh cicvil society but are abberations than the norm. Its not like a muslim man is walking on teh street and he is killed by a mob. This is similar to how angry mobs in Pakistan lynch people in the name of Blasphemy. Can we term every Pakistani as a religious fanatic? The answer is NO just like not every hindu goes about with a stick looking to beat muslims. Muslim girls have been asked to adhere to school uniform dress code in classroom and can wear the hijab outside it. No muslim girl ever in India has been kidnapped, forcefulled converetd and married off with the courts too asking her to stay with her newly married husband.
I was born and bred in Bangalore which is the most diverse population in India having people of all regions and religions. I had muslims friends in school and during engineering college. Had muslim collegaues at work. They had the same opportunities as people of any faith. We have our own share of disagreements but have learnt to co-exist.
India may not be a perfect society but which one is perfect. But it provides even a middle class boy from Delhi to rule the film industry in Mumbai while being married to a hindu wife. The media only highlights what sells and its usually negative news that sells. A man killed over suspicion of eating beef sells but a story about a muslim couple marrying their hindu foster daughter or hindu family saving their muslim neighbours during riots doesn't seem appealing enough hence underreported.
India has a muslim population of over 20 million. Incidents of mob lynching or a Gujarat riots are blot on teh cicvil society but are abberations than the norm. Its not like a muslim man is walking on teh street and he is killed by a mob. This is similar to how angry mobs in Pakistan lynch people in the name of Blasphemy. Can we term every Pakistani as a religious fanatic? The answer is NO just like not every hindu goes about with a stick looking to beat muslims. Muslim girls have been asked to adhere to school uniform dress code in classroom and can wear the hijab outside it. No muslim girl ever in India has been kidnapped, forcefulled converetd and married off with the courts too asking her to stay with her newly married husband.
I was born and bred in Bangalore which is the most diverse population in India having people of all regions and religions. I had muslims friends in school and during engineering college. Had muslim collegaues at work. They had the same opportunities as people of any faith. We have our own share of disagreements but have learnt to co-exist.
India may not be a perfect society but which one is perfect. But it provides even a middle class boy from Delhi to rule the film industry in Mumbai while being married to a hindu wife. The media only highlights what sells and its usually negative news that sells. A man killed over suspicion of eating beef sells but a story about a muslim couple marrying their hindu foster daughter or hindu family saving their muslim neighbours during riots doesn't seem appealing enough hence underreported.
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Yes most of the Indian media is Godi media but some media houses are truthful too. If I provided other sources you'd say they are foreign ones who know nothing. Would you like me to provide Pakistani sources? Now tell me are Hindu's banned from buying homes or property in Muslim countries? Are Hindu women sold online like commodities in Muslim countries?. Are Hindu houses bulldozed in Muslim countries? All this happens to Muslim's living in Hindu majority India. This is why Rahul Gandhi is on the streets or are my eyes playing games with me?
Please list these Indian media sources that you claim are truthful. Let me tell you this in advance that you will most likely recant when I start using your own sources against you. And one more time - there was no Godi media back in 2002 when Godhra happened. Nor was Modi anywhere remotely as powerful as he is today. If anything it was the Gandhi family that called the shots in India back then.
I Never said that. Infact I used your own sources against you. Like the forbes article above. You have no answer to that.
Government in India set to oust Muslim families in hill state over ‘illegal encroachment’
Hundreds of people in India’s hill state of Uttarakhand have been congregating every afternoon in Haldwani demanding that the demolition process ordered over their homes and dwellings in the area be stopped, which authorities have claimed to be “illegal encroachments”.
The protests started last week following an order by the Uttarakhand high court on 20 December calling for the demolition of all encroachments along the railway line in Haldwani.
According to a joint survey of the district administration and the railways in 2016-17, 4,365 ‘encroachments’ had been marked in the area, reported The Indian Express.
Along with the 4,000-odd homes, the area also includes four government schools, 11 private schools, a bank, two overhead water tanks, 10 mosques, and four temples, besides shops, according to a report by Indian broadcaster NDTV.
On 1 January, local newspapers in Haldwani carried notices issued by the North-Eastern Railways for the evacuation of all “illegal encroachments” from “railway kilometre 82.900 to 80.710” in a week’s time.
The notice said that failing evacuations, all encroachments would be demolished and the cost recovered from the encroachers.
Since the notice, hundreds of people, mainly Muslim women, have been gathering in the area to offer prayers and protest against the demolition order.
While the demolitions have been scheduled for 8 January, a batch of petitions challenging the order have been filed in India’s Supreme Court.
The court is likely to hear the pleas challenging the high court order on 5 January.
Petitioners have argued that the Uttarakhand High Court ordered the eviction despite the fact that proceedings regarding the title of the residents were pending before the district magistrate.
“The High Court in complete disregard of settled principles of title and occupation, collectively rejected all documents placed by the petitioners that clearly establish their title. The state in its review application acknowledged the legitimate title of the petitioners as an example of the validity of the title of the residents,” the petition was quoted as stated by LiveLaw.
While the railways claims that old maps, a notification of 1959, revenue records from 1971 and the results of the 2017 survey prove their ownership of the land, protesters have said that they have been living there for generations.
Protesters said that they fear that they will be rendered homeless if the demolition is carried out.
“I am here today and might not be around tomorrow; it’s my children and grandchildren that I am worried about. Where will they go if our house is demolished? Did the railways wake up only after houses, schools and hospitals were built on this land?,” 70-year-old Khairunisa was quoted as saying to The Indian Express.
According to Vivek Gupta, Railway Additional Divisional Railway Manager, Izzat Nagar, the case landed in court in 2013, when a petition was filed regarding illegal sand mining in the Gaula River that flows along the Haldwani railway station.
“With the writ petition came the question of who are the people who are involved in illegal mining and why is it happening, and it was found that people living along the railway line were indulging in such practices. The Railways was then made a party and the High Court directed us to get the land cleared,” he was quoted as saying.
Mr Gupta added that the residents then went to the Supreme Court which asked the high court to listen to the residents.
“Last month, after hearing all the parties, the high court once again found that the land belongs to the Railways and should be cleared after a week’s notice. We now have to follow the order,” he said.
The case has also got political momentum with several opposition leaders, activists and commentators accusing the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) of targeting Muslims.
In a statement, Amnesty International’s India wing on Tuesday condemned the demolition order.
“Instead of prioritising access to a basic level of housing for everyone, the central government plans to render some of the most socially and economically disadvantaged sections of society homeless during one of the coldest winters in northern India,” the statement said.
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Hundreds of people in India’s hill state of Uttarakhand have been congregating every afternoon in Haldwani demanding that the demolition process ordered over their homes and dwellings in the area be stopped, which authorities have claimed to be “illegal encroachments”.
The protests started last week following an order by the Uttarakhand high court on 20 December calling for the demolition of all encroachments along the railway line in Haldwani.
According to a joint survey of the district administration and the railways in 2016-17, 4,365 ‘encroachments’ had been marked in the area, reported The Indian Express.
Along with the 4,000-odd homes, the area also includes four government schools, 11 private schools, a bank, two overhead water tanks, 10 mosques, and four temples, besides shops, according to a report by Indian broadcaster NDTV.
On 1 January, local newspapers in Haldwani carried notices issued by the North-Eastern Railways for the evacuation of all “illegal encroachments” from “railway kilometre 82.900 to 80.710” in a week’s time.
The notice said that failing evacuations, all encroachments would be demolished and the cost recovered from the encroachers.
Since the notice, hundreds of people, mainly Muslim women, have been gathering in the area to offer prayers and protest against the demolition order.
While the demolitions have been scheduled for 8 January, a batch of petitions challenging the order have been filed in India’s Supreme Court.
The court is likely to hear the pleas challenging the high court order on 5 January.
Petitioners have argued that the Uttarakhand High Court ordered the eviction despite the fact that proceedings regarding the title of the residents were pending before the district magistrate.
“The High Court in complete disregard of settled principles of title and occupation, collectively rejected all documents placed by the petitioners that clearly establish their title. The state in its review application acknowledged the legitimate title of the petitioners as an example of the validity of the title of the residents,” the petition was quoted as stated by LiveLaw.
While the railways claims that old maps, a notification of 1959, revenue records from 1971 and the results of the 2017 survey prove their ownership of the land, protesters have said that they have been living there for generations.
Protesters said that they fear that they will be rendered homeless if the demolition is carried out.
“I am here today and might not be around tomorrow; it’s my children and grandchildren that I am worried about. Where will they go if our house is demolished? Did the railways wake up only after houses, schools and hospitals were built on this land?,” 70-year-old Khairunisa was quoted as saying to The Indian Express.
According to Vivek Gupta, Railway Additional Divisional Railway Manager, Izzat Nagar, the case landed in court in 2013, when a petition was filed regarding illegal sand mining in the Gaula River that flows along the Haldwani railway station.
“With the writ petition came the question of who are the people who are involved in illegal mining and why is it happening, and it was found that people living along the railway line were indulging in such practices. The Railways was then made a party and the High Court directed us to get the land cleared,” he was quoted as saying.
Mr Gupta added that the residents then went to the Supreme Court which asked the high court to listen to the residents.
“Last month, after hearing all the parties, the high court once again found that the land belongs to the Railways and should be cleared after a week’s notice. We now have to follow the order,” he said.
The case has also got political momentum with several opposition leaders, activists and commentators accusing the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) of targeting Muslims.
In a statement, Amnesty International’s India wing on Tuesday condemned the demolition order.
“Instead of prioritising access to a basic level of housing for everyone, the central government plans to render some of the most socially and economically disadvantaged sections of society homeless during one of the coldest winters in northern India,” the statement said.
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Allegations of anti-Hindu and anti-nationalism against the Muslim principal of Bharti College declared false after a year and a half
The Supreme Court of India dismissed the anti-Hindu and anti-national charges leveled against the former principal of the law college, Dr. Inamur Rahman, after a year and a half.
According to Indian media, Dr. Inamur Rahman, the principal of the government law college in Indore district of Madhya Pradesh, was accused by the student wing of the Hindu extremist ruling party BJP (ABVP) of keeping anti-Hindu and anti-national books in the college library.
According to the report, the principal was also accused of offering prayers himself, encouraging students to pray, and recruiting Muslim teachers in the law college. Due to these allegations, the government forced the resignation of the Muslim principal, Dr. Inamur Rahman, and filed a case against him.
The college principal challenged the government's decision in court, calling the allegations of the BJP's student wing false.
According to Indian media, the Supreme Court said that the case against the college principal appears to be a case of persecution, and the FIR is nothing but an unreasonable and frivolous allegation.
The Supreme Court of India termed the FIR registered against Dr. Inamur Rahman as nonsense and dismissed the allegations against the college principal after a year and a half.
Source: Geo News
The Supreme Court of India dismissed the anti-Hindu and anti-national charges leveled against the former principal of the law college, Dr. Inamur Rahman, after a year and a half.
According to Indian media, Dr. Inamur Rahman, the principal of the government law college in Indore district of Madhya Pradesh, was accused by the student wing of the Hindu extremist ruling party BJP (ABVP) of keeping anti-Hindu and anti-national books in the college library.
According to the report, the principal was also accused of offering prayers himself, encouraging students to pray, and recruiting Muslim teachers in the law college. Due to these allegations, the government forced the resignation of the Muslim principal, Dr. Inamur Rahman, and filed a case against him.
The college principal challenged the government's decision in court, calling the allegations of the BJP's student wing false.
According to Indian media, the Supreme Court said that the case against the college principal appears to be a case of persecution, and the FIR is nothing but an unreasonable and frivolous allegation.
The Supreme Court of India termed the FIR registered against Dr. Inamur Rahman as nonsense and dismissed the allegations against the college principal after a year and a half.
Source: Geo News
